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    Tech question about tapered steerers

    Wasn't quite sure where to put this one but as its about a 456c I figured this would be as a good a place as any.

    I'm looking at getting an On-one 456 carbon frame to replace a Viper carbon Pro that is just too small for me and swapping out all parts. It's currently set up as a 26" with 95 -115 Reba u-turn fork that has a 1 1/8th steerer tube. Long term project would be to also replace wheels with 650b, probably Stans, and then also replace the fork with a tapered dual position Revelation but both of these steps will be when finances permit, read possibly 12 to 18 months.

    One of the benefits I keep reading about tapered head tubes / steerers is its more rigid. Given that my current fork has a 1 1/8 steerer I will need to use the likes of the Smoothie mixer headset to adapt between the taper of the head tube and the straight steerer. Here's my question. Will I see any of the benefits of the tapered head tube with this set up or will I only notice them when I mate the tapered head tube with a tapered steerer?

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    Noone at all with an opinion on this?

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    You will not see any difference until you get a fork with a tapered steerer.
    The mixer headset just has an outer diameter that fits the frame and an inner diameter that will fit your fork 1 1/8 steerer. You get the benefit from the fork not the frame. I am not sure how much better the tapered thing is anyway. I have rode bikes with tapered forks and they donít seem stiffer than my Reba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    One of the benefits I keep reading about tapered head tubes / steerers is its more rigid. Given that my current fork has a 1 1/8 steerer I will need to use the likes of the Smoothie mixer headset to adapt between the taper of the head tube and the straight steerer. Here's my question. Will I see any of the benefits of the tapered head tube with this set up or will I only notice them when I mate the tapered head tube with a tapered steerer?

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    You won't see any difference with your current setup and you may not see any practical difference with a tapered fork either. Some people claim to see a huge difference in a tapered fork vs. 1 1/8th fork - others see none.

    Your reality will depend on you, how/where you ride and what tapered fork you end up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Wasn't quite sure where to put this one but as its about a 456c I figured this would be as a good a place as any.

    I'm looking at getting an On-one 456 carbon frame to replace a Viper carbon Pro that is just too small for me and swapping out all parts. It's currently set up as a 26" with 95 -115 Reba u-turn fork that has a 1 1/8th steerer tube. Long term project would be to also replace wheels with 650b, probably Stans, and then also replace the fork with a tapered dual position Revelation but both of these steps will be when finances permit, read possibly 12 to 18 months.

    One of the benefits I keep reading about tapered head tubes / steerers is its more rigid. Given that my current fork has a 1 1/8 steerer I will need to use the likes of the Smoothie mixer headset to adapt between the taper of the head tube and the straight steerer. Here's my question. Will I see any of the benefits of the tapered head tube with this set up or will I only notice them when I mate the tapered head tube with a tapered steerer?

    Thanks
    Tapered head tubes/fork steer tubes stiffen in (at least) two ways:
    1. The fork is stiffer with the taper steerer.
    2. The frame can be stiffer because of the increased diameter of the head tube and the (possibly) larger DT/HT junction.

    The combo of the two has the maximum affect.

    A straight steerer fork in a tapered HT frame should be a stiffer setup than in a straight HT frame.
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    Well, I am no expert by any means, but I think, based on many years with many different forks (my first susp fork was a Manitou 2), that the stiffness of the fork is mainly below the steer tube. I just went through some of this with a new Blur LTc that came with a RS Revelation (tapered). Way too flexy on that frame (for me). Changed to a Marz 55 (much more burley fork as expected) with 1 1/8, and notice very little flex. .

    But some stiffness does have to do with the steer tube/head tube. I would guess that if you compared the same forks, but with different steer tubes (like Rev straight 1 1/8 vs. Rev tapered) that the tapered may be a bit stiffer.

    Also, if you get a tapered fork, it can only be used on a tapered frame (maybe a 1.5 frame also?) A 1 1/8 fork can be used on any frame--important if you like to switch forks or change frames often.

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