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    My new On One Whippet

    I just finished building up my On One Whippet. The bike is very light (21.0lbs) and rides fantastic. I really wanted to say a big thank you to Michael at Planet X USA. First he helped me get the frame in the white/red color. They didn't have any in stock (just red and black) and he worked to get me a white and red one. When I got the frame the swap out bolts seized, so he quickly sent me another set. All I can say is great customer service, and a pleasure to deal with these guys. And now the pics of this awesome machine!





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    Wow, I like it! Just ordered one myself, hope to build a light weight 650b'er
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    Love the Whippet, BTW. My new Whippet-nd_short_approved_red.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    I just finished building up my On One Whippet. The bike is very light (21.0lbs) and rides fantastic. I really wanted to say a big thank you to Michael at Planet X USA. First he helped me get the frame in the white/red color. They didn't have any in stock (just red and black) and he worked to get me a white and red one. When I got the frame the swap out bolts seized, so he quickly sent me another set. All I can say is great customer service, and a pleasure to deal with these guys. And now the pics of this awesome machine!





    Looks great, lj!

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    I hope it's as fast as it looks!
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    I remember you from a chinese carbon frame. (-: Can you shoot me a link to a front derailleur and bottom bracket that you are using? Most likely I will get Scandal but I might grab a whippet if my wife allows it.

    Bike looks really impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    ljsmith

    I remember you from a chinese carbon frame. (-: Can you shoot me a link to a front derailleur and bottom bracket that you are using? Most likely I will get Scandal but I might grab a whippet if my wife allows it.

    Bike looks really impressive.
    Yeah, I sold the Chinese carbon bike. The Whippet frame is much nicer and wasn't too much more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    Yeah, I sold the Chinese carbon bike. The Whippet frame is much nicer and wasn't too much more expensive.

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    I have been a big fan of On-One bikes for a long time. I broke my chinese frame since I forgot to unclip. Yes, it still happens to me.

    Did apply anything when you installed bottom bracket? I read few posts and people mentioned creak problems.
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    I applied grease to the cups of the BB. I was going to use a headset press to press it in, but it actually just slid right in when I pressed it hard with my hands, I was surprised. It is actually much easier to install and remove than an external threaded BB. I have no creaks or any issues with it at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    I applied grease to the cups of the BB. I was going to use a headset press to press it in, but it actually just slid right in when I pressed it hard with my hands, I was surprised. It is actually much easier to install and remove than an external threaded BB. I have no creaks or any issues with it at all.
    That is quite impressive. Did you buy the ceramic one? As far as I can there is aluminum "insert" so grease is safe. What do you think about running a 10 speed crank with 9 speed cassette. I do not think it is going o a problem.
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    Cool bike! Got a Whippet myself

    Quick question, did you have to install a 1mm washer between the front mech and mount for the shimano xt to work properly? that's what the on one website suggests.
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    Sweet, im thinking about getting the whippet. I have the same question PatrickK had, did you get the stainless or ceramic BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber View Post
    Cool bike! Got a Whippet myself

    Quick question, did you have to install a 1mm washer between the front mech and mount for the shimano xt to work properly? that's what the on one website suggests.
    I saw that also. When I first put the derailleur on, I could not see any reason why you would need to do this, so I didn't. However I took the derailleur off the other day and noticed a very small paint chip, maybe about 1mm, under where the derailleur mounts. So if you are concerned about that, then you probably would want to put the washer in. I didn't put one in and it works fine, and the paint chip is not visible when the derailleur is installed so I am not too concerned about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ski n bike View Post
    Sweet, im thinking about getting the whippet. I have the same question PatrickK had, did you get the stainless or ceramic BB?
    I got the regular BB. I didn't see much value in the ceramic BB. You get a very small performance advantage from the ceramic, which probably is not noticeable unless you are a CAT 1 racer. They do last longer, but for the price you can buy about 5 regular BBs and I don't replace my BBs very often.
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    Thanks for the answer! What size did you get, and how tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ski n bike View Post
    Thanks for the answer! What size did you get, and how tall are you?
    5' 11" and I got the 18". (I gave you a more detailed response to sizing in the thread you started about sizing.)
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    @ ljsmith

    Do you use jagwire cables for derailleurs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    @ ljsmith

    Do you use jagwire cables for derailleurs?
    The housing/cables on this bike are jagwire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    The housing/cables on this bike are jagwire.
    Thanks. I need to talk to my wife now.
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    You tempted to make this a 650b also? I have read other places that this frame can handle the conversion. Just curious how tall you are and your appraisal of riding a 26 hardtail while having a Epic FS 650b?

    Your thoughts and viewpoints would be greatly appreciated.

    I am getting close to pulling the trigger on either building up a carbon 650b hardtail or 29er carbon hardtail and still weighing the in's and outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    You tempted to make this a 650b also? I have read other places that this frame can handle the conversion. Just curious how tall you are and your appraisal of riding a 26 hardtail while having a Epic FS 650b?

    Your thoughts and viewpoints would be greatly appreciated.

    I am getting close to pulling the trigger on either building up a carbon 650b hardtail or 29er carbon hardtail and still weighing the in's and outs.
    650b compatibility was important when I was shopping for the frame. However at this time I am going to keep it as a 26" bike. I built this bike mainly to ride at some trails that are close to my house. The trails are basically beginners singletrack and fireroads, but it has some good climbs. Riding these trails on my Epic is a joke, its just too easy and gets boring. I wanted a lightweight hardtail for the climbs and 26" wheels to make these trails much more challenging. I even am running Furious Fred tires, which are almost semi-slicks. They make it even more challenging and they are great on the road, which is important since I ride to the trails from my house.
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    It is good to know it is compatible with 650b wheels. Ljsmith, how many bottombracket spacers did you use? I am trying to buy Sram x9 2.10 crank. I cannot afford x.0 which looks great on your whippet.
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    No BB spacers are needed for the Whippet frame. There is one included with the BB but it is not used with the Whippet.
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    Great. What is your opinion on BB92 bracket? Is more durable than a "traditional" design? Did you notice any benefits when biking? Does the frame come with rear dropouts preinstalled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    Great. What is your opinion on BB92 bracket? Is more durable than a "traditional" design? Did you notice any benefits when biking? Does the frame come with rear dropouts preinstalled?
    Supposedly the BB92 is supposed to make the bottom bracket stiffer. Maybe it is, but it is not noticeably stiffer than my chinese carbon frame. As far as durable, I would suspect there is no difference. The bearings themselves are in basically the same position as a traditional external cup BB, so I see no reason to think it is more durable. To me the big benefit is the ease of installation and removal. With threaded BBs, the cups can get pretty tight if you don't remove them for a while and can be pretty tough to get out. The rear drop outs were not installed. When installing them you MUST use grease on the bolts. The bolts come with loctite on them, so I did not grease them because it really isn't proper to grease a bolt if you are using loctite. However all 4 of my bolts seized from galling before I could get them tightened down and I had to get another set. I was also told to make sure I grease them. I really don't understand why they don't include installation instructions for the swap outs with the frame.
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    This is very useful information. It seems BB92 is a good solution.If I understood you correctly, I should leave the loctite, apply some grease on it and then install drop outs. That is really weird.
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    One of the prettiest hard tails ive seen.. Well done sir.

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    Good to know that info on the swap out bolts. I haven't messed with mine yet, you think it's a good idea to take them out and grease them liberally? Wouldn't they come loose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber View Post
    Good to know that info on the swap out bolts. I haven't messed with mine yet, you think it's a good idea to take them out and grease them liberally? Wouldn't they come loose?
    If the Swapouts were on the frame when you got it, I would not remove them to add grease.

    But the grease will not cause the bolts to loosen. The threaded section is very long and unlikely to back out in use once tightened. You would still check the bolts once in a while, just as you would chainring bolts and other fasteners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    If the Swapouts were on the frame when you got it, I would not remove them to add grease.

    But the grease will not cause the bolts to loosen. The threaded section is very long and unlikely to back out in use once tightened. You would still check the bolts once in a while, just as you would chainring bolts and other fasteners.
    Yeah of course, I have the tendency to check bolts fairly regularly.

    Quick question, I bought a shimano bottom bracket, for the press fit bb92, but the model is bb91. Bike shop told me that'll work. It does fit fine actually. Is that it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbomber View Post
    Yeah of course, I have the tendency to check bolts fairly regularly.

    Quick question, I bought a shimano bottom bracket, for the press fit bb92, but the model is bb91. Bike shop told me that'll work. It does fit fine actually. Is that it?
    Yes, BB 91/92 are the same thing. Just depends on who is selling it.
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    Which front derailleurs fit? Which would fit with a 9 speed crank, if any?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com View Post
    Which front derailleurs fit? Which would fit with a 9 speed crank, if any?
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    You need a direct mount derailleur. The only one I could find for 9 speed was the Shimano SLX. These frames were designed for 2 x 10 so keep in mind that if you are running a triple that you will probably have to grind some material off the granny ring or it will rub the BB.

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    what have people torqued the bolts for the swapouts on whippets/456c ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee p View Post
    what have people torqued the bolts for the swapouts on whippets/456c ?
    Since its a carbon frame I did not want to overtighten them, and a torque spec was not given. I just used an allen wrench and held the nut in place with a chainring bolt tool and tightened them as far as I could without really cranking too hard on them. I have put over 100 miles on the bike so far and they have not budged.
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    ljsmith I agree with you about this bike feeling like a rocket, but the thing that surprised me most about it was the way it handles. I was expecting a twitchy race bike but this handles as well as my Ragley Mmbop and Santa Cruz Superlight.

    I just wish I'd got a carbon hardtail ages ago, now I'm about to sell the other 2 bikes and get an Ibis Mojo SL as my full susser for the more technical trails, although this bike would handle everything with a little finesse from the rider.

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    I'm just building my new Whippet: fork, cranks, front derailleur, seatpost and some protector sticks are already in place.
    My question would be that, what protection should I need to do around the chainrings?
    Almost all carbon frame on the market has a steel (or aluminium?) plate next to the small chainring, in order to avoid chainstay damage, if chain drops down accidentally. I would like to avoid this kind of damage on this beautiful frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semmiho View Post
    I'm just building my new Whippet: fork, cranks, front derailleur, seatpost and some protector sticks are already in place.
    My question would be that, what protection should I need to do around the chainrings?
    Almost all carbon frame on the market has a steel (or aluminium?) plate next to the small chainring, in order to avoid chainstay damage, if chain drops down accidentally. I would like to avoid this kind of damage on this beautiful frame.
    I wrapped my entire driveside chainstay with handlebar tape, and I use zip ties near the chainrings to prevent the chain from getting jammed between the frame and chainring (I messed up a carbon Trek frame this way before even though it had a metal plate). You can also use an inner tube. The tape has already saved my frame, I had a bad incident of chainsuck one time and there was not a scratch on the frame. Around the BB shell I just use crankskins protective film so it doesn't get scratched from chain drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    I wrapped my entire driveside chainstay with handlebar tape, and I use zip ties near the chainrings to prevent the chain from getting jammed between the frame and chainring (I messed up a carbon Trek frame this way before even though it had a metal plate). You can also use an inner tube. The tape has already saved my frame, I had a bad incident of chainsuck one time and there was not a scratch on the frame. Around the BB shell I just use crankskins protective film so it doesn't get scratched from chain drops.
    Sounds interesting, I will do something similar, thanks for your help!
    Could you take a photo from your BB?
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    Its kind of ugly down there, luckily its only visible when the bike is upside down! I have red handlebar tape, secured with red electrical tape. The 4 zip ties prevent chainsuck or any damage if the chain tires to wedge between the frame and chainrings. The BB shell has crank skins protective film on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    Its kind of ugly down there, luckily its only visible when the bike is upside down! I have red handlebar tape, secured with red electrical tape. The 4 zip ties prevent chainsuck or any damage if the chain tires to wedge between the frame and chainrings. The BB shell has crank skins protective film on it.
    Thanks a lot, I did it in a similar way!
    ...and now, here you can see some pictures taken from my bike: (...and YES, my front tire mounted in the wrong direction, I know)


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    Looks good. Have you had a chance to get it offroad? Hows it ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    Looks good. Have you had a chance to get it offroad? Hows it ride?
    Yes, I went out to the local trails and tried it on almost all type of terrain that we have here and I could try to climb uphill on steep trails and descends as well. Well, my predecessor bike was a full-susser with 140/140mm suspension and the Whippet was a little bit 'hard' at the first time - even if I have an another hardtail as a second bike that I usually use quite often.
    The top tube is quite longish (like on a Kona or Trek, for example) but in overall, it's comfortable. I say this, even if I choosed only the size M/18" for my ~184.5cm (~6' and 0.6"). I use seatback seatpost with 25mm seatback which may also counts to it, probably I will try a 15mm seatback (or a 0mm offset) seatpost as well.
    Uphill the bike felt confident and traction was surprisingly good on tricky and loose terrain. And it's fast. VERY fast, I usually could use the smaller chainring easily at the rear, compared to my other bikes on the same trail. (Well, the area of the bottom bracket is superstiff.)
    Cornering is confident and fast, however I felt the front a little bit nervous on rocky gardens - probably the rebound setting of my fork was not optimal.
    Descending is also ok, but on tricky and steep descends, where you should do nose-wheelie in the narrow corners, I could not put my weight back as much as I wanted, but I guess its only a consequence of using a seatpost with 25mm seatback.
    Overall, Whippet feels a pure XC/Maraton race bike. Very fast in corners, climbs well and descends fast. The rear felt a little bit less comfortable than I expected but probably it's also a result of using a Ritchey carbon pro (I think it provides less flex than usual) instead of using - for example - a Syntace P6 carbon HiFlex seatpost. However it's still more comfortable than my alu hardtail.
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    I´m thinking about Whippet + converting to 650b. Could anyone (shiggy) tell me the exact weight of the frame in 16" size? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristinka View Post
    I´m thinking about Whippet + converting to 650b. Could anyone (shiggy) tell me the exact weight of the frame in 16" size? Thanks.
    Make sure you get the weight with the swapouts, they add quite a bit to the weight. I believe my 18" was over 1500g with them installed.
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    ljsmith, what kind of Saddle do you have?

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    The saddle is a Selle Italia SLR TT (titanium tube). Weighs 135g. If you like firm saddles it is great, and for me is the most comfortable saddle I have used. But if you like a good amount of padding on your saddles, this is not the saddle for you.
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    Love the look of this bike and by the sounds of things its very fast. Im thinking about building one, Im 6ft 3in what frame size should I go for?

    Apologies for stealing the thread a little!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame View Post
    Love the look of this bike and by the sounds of things its very fast. Im thinking about building one, Im 6ft 3in what frame size should I go for?

    Apologies for stealing the thread a little!!
    I would imagine you would want the 20". You would be on the taller end for the 20" though, so you would probably need a long stem.
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    Hello!

    I have been riding Whippet for a while with triple SLX chainset. Now recently, I upgraded to XT 40/28 double chainset. I have been using Token bottom bracket recommended by On one.

    Now after the chainset upgrade, clearance between bb shell and inner cog is better. However, clearance between bigger chainring and CHAINSTAY is extremely minimal. There is just very minor gap between ring and chainstay. Should I be worried about that and on the other hand, should I be using some spacers in bb or crankset system? I havent so far. I have just installed BB by the instructions of Token for 92 mm bb shell and installed crankset without any other minor parts. BB fits nicely.

    I would really appreciate any comments about this one.

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