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    Just wondering if there have been any updates or if anyone knows when the frames discussed in this blog post might be available for sale: Brant Blog

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    I'm curious too and trying to be patient waiting for info about dates and geometry

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    I asked the other day and was told that the frames will be available in early December. What I am really wondering is what rear dropouts will be offered.

    I think the geo and build specs will be similar to the current evo 2 except we'll be looking at a 44mm headtube.

    Hopefully someone can come in here and let us know something...I want to buy a 650b wheelset but need to know what rear axle to get.

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    I'm looking into this one in or the Genesis High Latitude LT, both in Ti. Indeed dropouts would be nice to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty View Post
    I think the geo and build specs will be similar to the current evo 2 except we'll be looking at a 44mm headtube.
    Thanks for the timing info!

    That's my guess on the geometry as well but it still leaves room to wonder what will change to accommodate the larger wheels. Chainstays on the 26" Evo2 are as long as many of the latest 29er AM hardtails so I'm hoping Brant hasn't extended them from the Evo2

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    Thanks for the timing info!

    That's my guess on the geometry as well but it still leaves room to wonder what will change to accommodate the larger wheels. Chainstays on the 26" Evo2 are as long as many of the latest 29er AM hardtails so I'm hoping Brant hasn't extended them from the Evo2
    Not sure where I read it but I think the chainstays are 430mm. So that would mean almost zero chainstay growth for the larger models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS645 View Post
    Not sure where I read it but I think the chainstays are 430mm. So that would mean almost zero chainstay growth for the larger models.
    Hopefully Brant can come in here and clear this up. Removable/replaceable droupouts would be perfect...

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    googled it: On-One Expands Their 456 Line with The 45650b

    430mm is quite okay. 419mm on my Genesis makes it playful but not the best climber with my 6'2.

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    In addition...pretty please On-One offer this one in either RAW with blue accents like the current EVO2 or Candy Blue!

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    Any new info?

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    I got an email today from the Planet X USA rep who said the 45650B frames would not be available until mid February and that date was still subject to change.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    I got an email today from the Planet X USA rep who said the 45650B frames would not be available until mid February and that date was still subject to change.......
    I just got a reply from another US rep who says the frames are arriving in the UK in the next few days. I wonder which one is correct??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    I just got a reply from another US rep who says the frames are arriving in the UK in the next few days. I wonder which one is correct??
    Both could be correct if the full first run of frames is going to their main UK warehouse and the US warehouse isn't getting any until a planned second run. That's my guess at least

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    Answer from On-One uk:

    "Frames are starting to arrive - but in limited sizes and colour options until the full batch lands in early January. We'll be relelasing a build and a preorder very shortly (before Christmas)."

    I'm not sure what the status is on the US frames but it seems that UK frames are coming soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty View Post
    Answer from On-One uk:

    "Frames are starting to arrive - but in limited sizes and colour options until the full batch lands in early January. We'll be relelasing a build and a preorder very shortly (before Christmas)."

    I'm not sure what the status is on the US frames but it seems that UK frames are coming soon!
    It's already available in UK but in limited sizes... On-One 45650B Frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhups View Post
    It's already available in UK but in limited sizes... On-One 45650B Frame

    Looks great, now if someone could point me in the general direction of an affordable 44mm headset that would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty View Post
    Looks great, now if someone could point me in the general direction of an affordable 44mm headset that would be great.
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    I put in an order for a 16" 45650B yesterday. I ordered it through Brandon @ Planet X USA. He thinks that the frame will arrive within 2 weeks. If I understood correctly, they only had a handful of frames on the way to the US, with more arriving at the end of January. I have a Fox 34 27.5 CTD 120-150 TALAS fork ready, and am shopping for a new wheelset now. I'm still debating whether to try and do a cheap 1x10 build or just stick with 2x10. I hope to pick up the rest of the parts via various Xmas sales and build this bike up soon.
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    Sounds good! Similar to what I am planning. Already got all the bits for a RAW 45650b. Unfortunately those frames wont be available until the end of January.

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    My frame arrived in PDX today. I should have it by Friday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    I put in an order for a 16" 45650B yesterday. I ordered it through Brandon @ Planet X USA. He thinks that the frame will arrive within 2 weeks. If I understood correctly, they only had a handful of frames on the way to the US, with more arriving at the end of January. I have a Fox 34 27.5 CTD 120-150 TALAS fork ready, and am shopping for a new wheelset now. I'm still debating whether to try and do a cheap 1x10 build or just stick with 2x10. I hope to pick up the rest of the parts via various Xmas sales and build this bike up soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    My frame arrived in PDX today. I should have it by Friday.
    Post your build! Cant wait to see a 45650b built up!

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    It arrived! Looks nice. I have a fork, but need to get wheels and a drivetrain before I can build it up and take it for a ride. It may be a few weeks, but I'll post photos once it's done.




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    Any ride impressions yet? I just bought a ragley big wig but I'm thinking about returning it for one of these. I have all the 650b parts already but no 29er stuff so I'm thinking this would be a faster build. My main worry is I'm going to miss the momentum of those wagon wheels....

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    I just ordered the final parts needed and have should be able to build up the bike next week. I'll post photos once it is built, and ride impressions will follow ASAP.
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    any indication about the weight ?
    somewhere between 2,7 and 3 kg ?
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    The 26" evo (16" frame size) is 2.5 kgs. How much weight can a 44mm headtube add?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty View Post
    The 26" evo (16" frame size) is 2.5 kgs. How much weight can a 44mm headtube add?
    My 26" Inbred was 2 kg, my 29" Inbred is 2,7kg.
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    I'm glad to see On One finally getting on board with 650b. It wasn't too long ago that Brant was saying 650b was pointless and that he would never design a 650b On One.
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    I wonder if 456 EVO carbon production is suspended to get the 650B treatment as well? Always thought the EVO carbon timing was a bit unfortunate with 650B around the corner. Switching directly to a 650B geo would be a good idea in my view. I know the current 456C has plenty of room for 650B, but with a long travel fork and 26'' the BB is pretty high already. With a new model you could get the lower BB from the EVO plus additional BB drop for 650B.

    Add dropouts that allow 12x142 and/or 26" wheels and a bit more give from the rear perhaps loosing a bit of weight there in the process (the 456C is strong as intended, but pretty stiff) and they've got a winner I reckon.
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    I got my 45650B built up and took it out for a test ride but immediately found that the brand new Fox fork was not holding air. I rode a total of 1.5 miles, and had to pump up my fork 4 times during this time. The Schrader valve was leaking bad, and so the ride ended. My buddy fixed the valve for me tonight (it only took 5 minutes) and so I hope to get a good test ride this week.

    Here are a few garage photos to hold you over until I can get a few photos of the bike out on the trail.





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    Don't suppose you weighed the frame?

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    Looks great sasquatch! Bummer about the fork though. I'm glad it was an easy fix and I'm looking forward to ride impressions and some trail pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Don't suppose you weighed the frame?
    I did weigh the frame. My 16" frame weighed 5.6 pounds.
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    Wow great looking bike...now I'm just waiting to see what the Raw frame looks like before ordering. At 5.6 she's a bit of a porker but that's fine, so am I.

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    Got my frame in a couple weeks ago. Just waiting on my new wheelset and a couple other small parts. Can't wait to get it built up and out on the trails.

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    OK. I made it out for a few rides and have a good idea what this bike is capable of. I am pretty stoked.

    I took it out for a mellow 14 mile test ride after work a few days ago. I immediately found that the front end felt too tall with the fork at 150mm. The front end would lift up on steep climbs and I had trouble pushing the bike into turns. Once I dialed back the fork to 120mm it fixed things. The bike took a bit of time to get used to, but by the end of the ride I was pretty sure I liked it.

    I took the bike out again today on a longer ride. I rode 12 miles of gravel roads and 20 miles of singletrack with approx 4000 feet of climbing. The bike climbs well, I only struggled on the steepest singletrack sections and that was probably due to too much tire pressure. I did this same ride a few weeks ago on my Turner Burner and took nearly the same amount of time on both rides. The singletrack descents were awesome. The bike was very stable and wanted more speed at all times. It railed switchbacks and was easy to control in rough rocks and roots. I felt like I was able to descend nearly as fast as on the Burner on all but the roughest sections of trail.

    To sum it up, I like this bike alot!

    Here are a few pictures from the first ride. I was having too much fun to stop for photos today.









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    Nice shots and bike!

    I occassionally ride a 456c with a 150mm. The next fork maintance I will reduce the travel to 140mm to quicken the handling a bit. That said with that long a fork and thus slackend seattube angle it's a good idea to move the saddle quite a bit forward to aid pedalling and climbing. Also putting some rings above the handlebar helped me to keep more weight on the front wheel in the turns. Everything very personal of course.

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    Has anyone heard anything about the raw frame? I'm waiting to order one until I've seen the raw version.

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    Hi fr0sty,
    I asked On-One via email about pics of the new version and the weights for the raw/painted frames, but no answer yet. I think you have to call them for detailed infos, they might be busy setting up the release for the 456 Carbon Evo and the 45650B raw.
    I think it will look the same as the 456 Evo 2 raw.
    The glossy black would also match my new EXM130 almost perfectly, but i am still waiting for pictures (and perhaps a release date discount) of the raw version.

    About the weight: a guy in german IBC bike market stated 2.780 kg = 6.1 lbs for the 16" painted frame, i wonder if he or Sasquatch is right.
    Here is the link: On One 45650 16" schwarz, SRAM X.0, Hope LRS, Carbonlenker usw. - Bikemarkt - MTB-News.de

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobons View Post
    About the weight: a guy in german IBC bike market stated 2.780 kg = 6.1 lbs for the 16" painted frame, i wonder if he or Sasquatch is right.
    Here is the link: On One 45650 16" schwarz, SRAM X.0, Hope LRS, Carbonlenker usw. - Bikemarkt - MTB-News.de
    I should have stated that my buddy at the bike shop weighed the frame before building it up. I didn't weigh it myself or see the weight. I would be surprised if he was off by a full 1/2 pound, but you never know.

    Germans are known for their precision and that guy looks like he bothered to list the weight of each part, so I wouldn't doubt the accuracy of the weight you found on the German website.

    Assume the frame weighs 6.1 lbs, and if it comes in any lighter, you will be stoked!
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    What's the bottom bracket height with a 120mm fork?

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    Very nice! What kind of headset did you guys use for your build?
    I pre ordered the frame in raw finish, will post pics once I receive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djembe975 View Post
    What's the bottom bracket height with a 120mm fork?
    Should be about minus 36-40 mm with SAG.

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    I measured mine, and it was 12.7" to the center of the bb with the fork set to 120mm and with no sag. I have a Hans Dampf 2.35 on the rear wheel, and a Nobby Nic 2.25 on the front.

    Riding it, I can tell that it is lower than my Burner, but it wasn't a real issue on the trail. I rode it today thru a very rough 1.5 mile section of lava rock, and had a few pedal strikes that could have been avoided, but was able to clear plenty of tall rocks and chunky roots without hitting my frame.
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    Here are a few more photos of my bike from today's ride.




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    Looks great...I can't wait to see how the raw frame looks!

    EDIT: Raw is now in stock, but I cannot see any pictures of it yet...
    Last edited by fr0sty; 02-04-2014 at 09:16 AM.

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    Re: 45650b

    Just got my super raw...Looks pretty sweet. 45650b-uploadfromtaptalk1392322791255.jpg45650b-uploadfromtaptalk1392322809125.jpg45650b-uploadfromtaptalk1392322824494.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpmk104 View Post
    Just got my super raw...Looks pretty sweet. Click image for larger version. 

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    Finally, you are faster than on-one...looks great.

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    Looks dirty raw I likes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpmk104 View Post
    Just got my super raw...Looks pretty sweet.
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    Hi, nice frame you have there!
    Did you weigh it by any chance?
    Is the finish really "super raw" without any coating? I think it would rust really fast then.

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