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    456 Evo II

    Just got back from my maiden ride - very impressed!
    I had a 456 Carbon for a couple of years and loved it but sold it because it beat me up - that thing was STIFF. I missed having a hardtail and had high hopes for this frame. Happy to report I am not disappointed.

    The 456C was snappy - more due to the stiffness than the weight. This frame isn't snappy in that way but it does really take the edge off the trail - it's really compliant and feels good. At 6ft, I opted for the 18 inch - not sure yet if I made the right decision as it feels a tad short (with a 50mm stem). It is however playful which I like as I have a couple couple of dualies which are long, slack and low and I'm not looking for this to replace them.

    All in all - very stoked.

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    Sweet. Mine is being shipped as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subicecom View Post
    Sweet. Mine is being shipped as we speak.
    same! man, I get more and more stoked as more evo2 stuff pops up. I cant wait to build mine up

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    Instead of me digging thru posts, can u briefly tell me the diffs between evo and evo 2? Thanks anybody.
    - I do know the seat post diameter is bigger, that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Instead of me digging thru posts, can u briefly tell me the diffs between evo and evo 2? Thanks anybody.
    - I do know the seat post diameter is bigger, that is all.
    Geometry identical, tube shapes and profiles more optimised for lighter weight, better ride.
    Seat tube now takes a 30.9mm post and 34.9mm seat clamp and FD.

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    GravityFreaky, I think you nailed the sizing. I'm 5'11" and ride an 18 original 456. Maybe a longer stem...but you shouldn't need too much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Geometry identical, tube shapes and profiles more optimised for lighter weight, better ride.
    Seat tube now takes a 30.9mm post and 34.9mm seat clamp and FD.
    Brant: website says not in stock. Are they in stock and site just not updated? Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggie View Post
    GravityFreaky, I think you nailed the sizing. I'm 5'11" and ride an 18 original 456. Maybe a longer stem...but you shouldn't need too much...
    Yea I guess I need to get used to it. I've only managed one ride before getting ill so I'll give it a few more outings before perhaps trying a 60mm stem.

    Cheers!

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    Finally got to ride my bike again. Can't believe how comfortable the ride is on this thing. Where I live the trails are very very rough and rocky and seeing a hardtail is pretty rare because of it. I just rode my usual 17km look which is a mixture of rocky singletrack, very rocky techy bits and some fast and ROUGH downhill bits. The rougher bits are enough to make your hands feel it on a 150mm AM rig and yet I found the
    hardtail to be extremely compliant with no hand fatigue at all. I am running pretty high volume tires but honestly, I am blown away by how nicely this frame rides. I gather from comments I've read that the 456 Evo was a bit harsh - well while I haven't ridden one I can definitely tell you that this is not! It's been said before about these bikes and it certainly holds true; they encourage you to ride at the same pace as you might on a full suspension rig (which can end in disaster if you aren't paying attention!).

    VERY VERY STOKED with my purchase.

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    They're sweet bikes. I had an Inbred that got stolen, then replaced it with a Ragley Blue Pig. That frame was much heavier and didn't ride as well. Sold it and got another Inbred. I'm light and don't need the extra burliness of the 456. If I wanted to run a bigger fork, 456 would be my pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Brant: website says not in stock. Are they in stock and site just not updated? Thx
    Brant, thanks for turning me on to Michael in the US today. He called and by end of phone call, I had a medium Matt Raw on its way.

    Your help and patience was and is much appreciated....

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    gravityfreaky, thank you for the review! I'm so stoked to build mine up! I was going to wait until winter, but now I want to do it asap!

    I'm on a very low end aluminum frame with narrow tires and tubes it sounds like I'm going to be very happy with similar sized tires (2.4/2.25 tubeless) and the new frame. Anything to take the edge off the northeast roots and rocks sounds great haha. I was a little nervous that the Evo2 would be like the previous models which were fairly stiff it sounded like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Brant, thanks for turning me on to Michael in the US today. He called and by end of phone call, I had a medium Matt Raw on its way.

    Your help and patience was and is much appreciated....

    Best,
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    I'm also looking for a Medium Matte Raw here in the states. Did they have one here for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaPanthers View Post
    gravityfreaky, thank you for the review! I'm so stoked to build mine up! I was going to wait until winter, but now I want to do it asap!

    I'm on a very low end aluminum frame with narrow tires and tubes it sounds like I'm going to be very happy with similar sized tires (2.4/2.25 tubeless) and the new frame. Anything to take the edge off the northeast roots and rocks sounds great haha. I was a little nervous that the Evo2 would be like the previous models which were fairly stiff it sounded like.
    You're gonna love it !

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    Just got it today

    Contact Michael Golinski, General Manager tituscycles(at)gmail(dot)com

    or Brandon, brandon(at)planet-x-usa(dot)com

    I don't know if he had that one just happening to come in or if he had several... Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    You're gonna love it !


    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Contact Michael Golinski, General Manager tituscycles(at)gmail(dot)com

    or Brandon, brandon(at)planet-x-usa(dot)com
    I would also recommend getting in touch with Brandon at Planet X, great CS!

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    My frame has now turned up. Looks nice, if not a little different from the pics online. The seat stay design is completely different from the online images I have seen. I can't post pics yet, but it resembles the design on the Cotic Bfe. I have the 14 inch version in Raw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subicecom View Post
    My frame has now turned up. Looks nice, if not a little different from the pics online. The seat stay design is completely different from the online images I have seen. I can't post pics yet, but it resembles the design on the Cotic Bfe. I have the 14 inch version in Raw.
    The 14in model has a bent wishbone rather than a cut and weld due to size issues.

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    I thought this may be the case. Cheers Brant.

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    Hey Brant,

    On my 18 inch frame - there are 4 cable guides (2 x cable, 2 x hydraulic) in the front and middle positions under the top tube - but only three (2 x cable, 1 x hydraulic) closest to the seat tube. This means that from the middle position, the hydraulic hose for my Reverb has no where to be mounted so I've had to cable tie it to the rear derailleur cable at the rear. No big deal by any means but it does seem odd. An oversight or by design (and if the latter - why as it seams strange?).

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    Built

    Finished my build today.

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    Hope pro 2 laced to 819 front
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    First ride tomorrow. It looks fun. Sorry for crappy pic. Get some better ones on upcoming ride.

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    Very nice buddy. High budget build there. What's she weigh in at? Have you ridden her yet?

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    Better pic

    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    Very nice buddy. High budget build there. What's she weigh in at? Have you ridden her yet?
    I've yet to weigh it. No scale. First hard tail ride in ten years. It is fast and fun bombing down trail. Climbs pretty good too. Just need to get used to no squish under my butt and once I get more used to it and adapt riding style, it will be more fun!
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    f.n.g - love the build! one day i'll post up some pics of mine although it's a much lighter build my fellow evo2's. gotta love the college budget haha.

    we can all agree on this - matt raw is beautiful, and its a ton of to fun ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaPanthers View Post
    f.n.g - love the build! one day i'll post up some pics of mine although it's a much lighter build my fellow evo2's. gotta love the college budget haha.

    we can all agree on this - matt raw is beautiful, and its a ton of to fun ride!
    Thanks. Have two rides on it this week. Its been over 10 years on a hard tail. I come from a plush Knolly chilcotin and it takes some getting used to. As re-learn to ride a hard tail, it is getting more fun. I hate crappy picks so I tried to get a cool one on last nights ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaPanthers View Post
    f.n.g - love the build! one day i'll post up some pics of mine although it's a much lighter build my fellow evo2's. gotta love the college budget haha.

    we can all agree on this - matt raw is beautiful, and its a ton of to fun ride!
    I agree though I do wish the decals weren't blue / were removable.

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    As a Carolina Panthers fan (could you tell ), I don't hate the Carolina blue colors. Though I could see a more neutral colorway being more agreeable

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    After a few rides with 456 Evo II, I must admit that I am surprised how comfortable it feels. I was worried, that hard tail will "kill" me, but now I am not going to rebuild my old Turner 5 Spot. I think the main reason for softness is not the steel frame, the reason is wide rims and wide tubeless tires. Of course my legs are more tired after 3 h ride on trail, which is covered with rocks and roots, than using fs-bike. But I ride for fun and fitness, so it is only good thing .

    If I still after more rides feel, that I can live with hard tail as my only summer mountain bike, I will perhaps some day upgrade to lighter option, Carbon 456 Evo II.

    Now I am very happy with my gas pipe bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127 View Post
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    If I still after more rides feel, that I can live with hard tail as my only summer mountain bike, I will perhaps some day upgrade to lighter option, Carbon 456 Evo II.

    Now I am very happy with my gas pipe bike.
    I had a 456 carbon. Trust me, the comfort factor IS in the frame. Im running the same spec pretty much on both bikes and the ride is very different. While lighter and faster - the carbon frame is BRUTAL over rough trail. The evo 2 feels like it has an inch of rear travel by comparison.

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    Try letting loose a little more. I know it seems counter intuitive, but the faster I went over some choppy rocky descents, the smoother the bike felt. Also, really weight the pedals and let the frame do its thing instead of bouncing you around (as much lol). I was pleasantly surprised just how smooth it rode. I was riding 2.1 Velociraptors on skinny rims. I cant wait to throw on some 2.4 Chunky Monkeys on Flow EX's for further comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaPanthers View Post
    Try letting loose a little more. I know it seems counter intuitive, but the faster I went over some choppy rocky descents, the smoother the bike felt. Also, really weight the pedals and let the frame do its thing instead of bouncing you around (as much lol). I was pleasantly surprised just how smooth it rode. I was riding 2.1 Velociraptors on skinny rims. I cant wait to throw on some 2.4 Chunky Monkeys on Flow EX's for further comparison.
    this ^
    I have not been on a hard tail for nearly 10 years and this transition is hard, but fun. Yes, you have to weight your legs more. I didn't realize how lazy of a rider i was on my full Squish bike until I rode this hard tail again. Even climbing is a change. always have to have the body active. Shreds your legs both climbing and descending. I am stuck riding this til my new Full Suspension bike comes in and I am excited that the new learned techniques will really help.
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    It has a skinnier top tube (32mm vs 35mm) which I think adds a bunch of compliance.

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    It's definitely the most comfortable hardtail I've ever ridden.

    Brant - did you see my question re the 'missing' cable mount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    It's definitely the most comfortable hardtail I've ever ridden.

    Brant - did you see my question re the 'missing' cable mount?
    totally intentional as we found that it let the reverb cable loop down out of the way better.

    We have a reverb guide seat collar coming soon.

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    Cool.

    After reading your post on the 32mm vs. 35mm top tube possibly on the evo II, I'm interested to know if it is the top tube more than any other frame member that will determine a frame's compliance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    Cool.

    After reading your post on the 32mm vs. 35mm top tube possibly on the evo II, I'm interested to know if it is the top tube more than any other frame member that will determine a frame's compliance?
    I've Always thought this.
    It helps the wheels splay apart under load. Needs mating to a good solid downtube to stop the bike feeling noodly though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamerof1 View Post
    I'm also looking for a Medium Matte Raw here in the states. Did they have one here for you?

    Drew
    Call Michael at Planet X. He is GM and Brant turned me on to him. My buddy called him yesterday for M matte and he is hving one shipped to US from UK. I am not on personal computer right now but if u pm me, I will get it for u (email) in next couple of days. Or Brant can get it to u.
    Sorry for delay. Overlooked this post

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    pblind - what's the clearance on the 2.35 nn's? I'm looking to stuff a 2.4 chunky monkey back there. Now that I've ordered it, i'm nervous about it fitting lol

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    Its a 2.4" NN, not 2.35. Plenty of clearance, even with the Flow EX rim.

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    Awesome! Thanks for the response, I was having a mini panic attack haha.

    Bike looks great by the way! Its nice seeing more and more builds pop up

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    My 456 Evo II is about to make me money...
    After riding a trail on the weekend that I normal ride on my 135mm trail bike (fast, techy in places and rough in others) - and going equally fast but with a bigger grin - I've decided that my 'tweener' bike has just become redundant. I still have a gravity enduro rig for racing and burlier riding but for everything else my Evo will be my go to. It is SUCH a great bike to ride.

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    Hey Brant, how does the new 456c compare to the sttel Evo in terms of ride & compliance?
    I have not been on a HT in years, the last one I owned was a 1st Gen Blue Pig. Going off paper, I thought I would love that bike but it beat me half to death. I ended up sticking with FS.
    Lately I've been falling more and more in love with my Yeti ASR5 and riding my El Guapo less. The 5 just makes me work more and I've grown to like that skipping over & through the trail instead of plowing over everything.
    I'm thinking that I may sell the EG and move to a 456 but I still have concerns with how harsh a HT may be.
    Any thoughts? 456 Evo steel vs Carbon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Hey Brant, how does the new 456c compare to the sttel Evo in terms of ride & compliance?
    I have not been on a HT in years, the last one I owned was a 1st Gen Blue Pig. Going off paper, I thought I would love that bike but it beat me half to death. I ended up sticking with FS.
    Lately I've been falling more and more in love with my Yeti ASR5 and riding my El Guapo less. The 5 just makes me work more and I've grown to like that skipping over & through the trail instead of plowing over everything.
    I'm thinking that I may sell the EG and move to a 456 but I still have concerns with how harsh a HT may be.
    Any thoughts? 456 Evo steel vs Carbon?
    I asked this question a while back and was told that the carbon will feel much stiffer than the steel.

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    Figured I'd post up some pics of my Evo2. I apologize for the bike in the dorm pics, but it's a little better than nothing lol. Warning: it's a budget build in progress, but still a fun little bike.

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    Here she is in all her glory. Both tires are 2.4 inches, the awkward angle makes the back tire look extra massive in the picture haha. I'll have to get a better picture up in a more natural environment.

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    Gotta show some love to the LBS. If anyone is in the Lehigh Valley area and is in need of a bike shop, check out Cutters in Bethlehem. Great guys (and gal) and if it weren't for them, my bike would be a pile of part. From the initial build to helping me out when I jack things up in a crash, big thanks to Cutters.

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    Specs
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    SR Suntour Raidon 120mm... to be replaced ASAP lol
    Flow EX's laced to Hope Pro2 Evos, 2.4 Chunky Monkey tires set up tubeless
    Magura MT2 brakes
    X.9 Shifter, X.7 short cage derailleur
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    Truvativ Boobar 740mm
    On One Hotbox 50mm stem
    Lizard Skins Peaty Grips, with a special touch from Cutters
    Easton EA70 seatpost, beat up WTB saddle

    This bike is an absolute blast! Doesn't mind to jump around a little and loves to get leaned over. It is pretty compliant over the rough stuff; the fast I go the smoother the ride. I found myself climbing better and enjoying the descents instead of holding on for dear life lol. It might be the bike or I might just be getting better, but I've been able to clean things (climbs and descents) that I could not clear on my old bike. This bike is way more confidence inspiring. I'm stoked to get a longer, burlier fork, but I have to say, the bike seems seems pretty darn capable at 120mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Hey Brant, how does the new 456c compare to the sttel Evo in terms of ride & compliance?
    I have not been on a HT in years, the last one I owned was a 1st Gen Blue Pig. Going off paper, I thought I would love that bike but it beat me half to death. I ended up sticking with FS.
    Lately I've been falling more and more in love with my Yeti ASR5 and riding my El Guapo less. The 5 just makes me work more and I've grown to like that skipping over & through the trail instead of plowing over everything.
    I'm thinking that I may sell the EG and move to a 456 but I still have concerns with how harsh a HT may be.
    Any thoughts? 456 Evo steel vs Carbon?
    I've owned both. The Carbon is WAY harsher to ride. The carbon does 'give' when you hit things very hard / fast but that threshold is quite high. By contrast, the 456 Evo II feels like it has 1 inch of rear wheel travel - it is a big difference. I ride on very very rough / rocky trails and sold the 456c because it was just too harsh. Nice on smoother trails though and obviously a lot lighter.

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    Thanks gravity.

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    (cross post)
    How is everyone getting along with the short seat tubes on these frames? I'm close to pulling the trigger but the 16" seat tube is holding me back. i am 5'8 with a 31.5 inseam, barefoot.

    I have an ASR5 which has an ETT of 23.7, using a 60mm stem. The seat tube is 18.8" and I have about 8.25 inches of seat post exposed. On my Med El Guapo v2 I have 9 inches of exposed seat post.

    I have dropper posts on both bikes and I don't see how I could get away with a 16" seat tube and have enough post left for minimum insertion, or the seat post would be really extended. I do understand that there is very little time spent sitting and spinning on a HT and that I'd be running it lower in most cases but I'd still like to be able get full extension for commuting, etc.

    Anyone have any ideas?

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    Not sure I understand the question. ..
    Do you want help in working out of your dropper will be long enough?

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    yeah, gravity. after re-reading my post I guess I didn't do a very good job at asking a question, did I? So, I guess a few add ons...
    How much exposed seat post are people running? Would you be comfortable with 11+ inches of exposed seat post but only 4 inches of post inserted? Seems like a huge lever to me.

    Is anyone having issues running a dropper post due to the short seat tubes?

    If you were my height/dimensions and were between sizes, say a 16 & 18, would you go with one vs the other and why?

    I tend to keep both wheels on the ground on most of my rides. This bike will be a trail bike and used for some road riding/commuting, at the park with the kids, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    yeah, gravity. after re-reading my post I guess I didn't do a very good job at asking a question, did I? So, I guess a few add ons...
    How much exposed seat post are people running? Would you be comfortable with 11+ inches of exposed seat post but only 4 inches of post inserted? Seems like a huge lever to me.

    Is anyone having issues running a dropper post due to the short seat tubes?

    If you were my height/dimensions and were between sizes, say a 16 & 18, would you go with one vs the other and why?

    I tend to keep both wheels on the ground on most of my rides. This bike will be a trail bike and used for some road riding/commuting, at the park with the kids, etc.
    Get a large then. If you are not going to whip it a lot. As a trail bike, don't go smaller.

    Or, get a 150mm dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    yeah, gravity. after re-reading my post I guess I didn't do a very good job at asking a question, did I? So, I guess a few add ons...
    How much exposed seat post are people running? Would you be comfortable with 11+ inches of exposed seat post but only 4 inches of post inserted? Seems like a huge lever to me.

    Is anyone having issues running a dropper post due to the short seat tubes?

    If you were my height/dimensions and were between sizes, say a 16 & 18, would you go with one vs the other and why?

    I tend to keep both wheels on the ground on most of my rides. This bike will be a trail bike and used for some road riding/commuting, at the park with the kids, etc.
    It's a tough one...

    I'm 6' and ride a large / 18". Just today I bought a KS Lev with a 150mm drop because the 100mm drop Reverb wasn't giving me enough. Yes, at full mast - the 150mm looks a little odd. However, with this particular post, there is plenty of post still in the frame so damaging the frame isn't a worry.

    I would say you should go the 16" not because of seat post issues but rather because the 18" with a 60mm stem fits me well. You're 4" shorter than me so even with the shortest stem available - the frame is going to be on the long side I would imagine. You'll likely end up with a similarly odd looking mast of a seat post at full extension but who cares. And when you want to lower the post you'll have lots of room to throw the bike around.

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    Gravity, what other bikes/frame have you owned? At 6' I would guess that you're very partial to short top tubes. 23.3 isn't very long in today's standards when running a short stem.

    I just sent Brant an email about this as I also have an El Guapo and he'd be the best person to help me identify if there is something particular about the 456 geo that would make it feel larger than other bikes with comparable geometry???

    My main concern about the 16 is how long of a seatpost I'd be running on it. dropping from a 70mm stem to a 60mm stem seems that it would negate the added ~10mm length in ETT.

    Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Gravity, what other bikes/frame have you owned? At 6' I would guess that you're very partial to short top tubes. 23.3 isn't very long in today's standards when running a short stem.

    I just sent Brant an email about this as I also have an El Guapo and he'd be the best person to help me identify if there is something particular about the 456 geo that would make it feel larger than other bikes with comparable geometry???

    My main concern about the 16 is how long of a seatpost I'd be running on it. dropping from a 70mm stem to a 60mm stem seems that it would negate the added ~10mm length in ETT.

    Hmm....

    Hey mate,

    I'm actually partial to bikes with roomy cockpits. I like running the en vogue short stem / wide bar combo for which one ideally needs a bit with a longer front center. My race bike is a large Morewood Sukuma which has a 24" top tube and on which I run a 50mm Thomson stem. So I guess, considering I am running a 10mm longer stem on the 456, that brings the reach on that bike to within half an inch of the Morewood.

    Ok, if I could wave a magic wand, I guess I would add 3/4 of an inch to the TT but that is something well within the range of sorting out with stem length without getting ridiculous.

    It's such a personal thing though. At the end of the day you should probably just ask yourself whether you'd be more annoyed with a bike that felt slightly too big or slightly too small. I guess if it were me, I'd be more annoyed with the latter.

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    Dumb question but are the decals on these frames clear-coated or can you remove them?

    Thanks again, gravity. I think that I've decided on the 16" frame. I can swap my 400mm Gravity Dropper with a buddy who's running a 425mm. That'll give me another inch of post to work with.

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    Hope I am not opening a can of worms but can this frame be run with 650b wheels?

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    45650b frame to debut soon. Do a quick search for info.

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    what he said.
    And to answer your question: no

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    Very nice buddy. High budget build there. What's she weigh in at? Have you ridden her yet?
    Finally weighed it. 26.5lbs. I am running a Thomson seat post now, no more ks adjustable also replaced pedals to twenty6 predators. Bike is rockn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Dumb question but are the decals on these frames clear-coated or can you remove them?.
    y

    Sadly no. I really really wish the decals weren't blue or were at least removable.

    Good luck with the bike - I'm sure you'll love it.

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    Hi all, very close to pulling the trigger on the evo 2 and sektor 140mm bundle deal. I'm only 5"3 though and have an inside leg measurement of 28" I think. Will The 14" be small enough for me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kroky View Post
    Hi all, very close to pulling the trigger on the evo 2 and sektor 140mm bundle deal. I'm only 5"3 though and have an inside leg measurement of 28" I think. Will The 14" be small enough for me??
    Yes

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    here is my new Christmas gift.
    456 EVO 2 18in. size.

    Right now running as 1X9 but considering 1X10 or SS.
    <a href="http://s42.photobucket.com/user/djr8505/media/Backbone%20Install/1220131031a_zps503bf1d5.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/djr8505/Backbone%20Install/1220131031a_zps503bf1d5.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1220131031a_zps503bf1d5.jpg"/></a>

    <a href="http://s42.photobucket.com/user/djr8505/media/Backbone%20Install/1220131031b_zpsfeb60a68.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/djr8505/Backbone%20Install/1220131031b_zpsfeb60a68.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1220131031b_zpsfeb60a68.jpg"/></a>

    the frame is a lot more slack and rides completely different from my Mountain Cycle Rumble.
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    Love that build! I am 1x9 myself and with a 30t Narrow Wide, I don't find that I'm particularly undergeared. Maybe it's mental, maybe it's due to the ring, but once I made the swap I was able to start clearing techy climbs and bust out longer ones. If only mud and leaves weren't out to get me lol. I've also been staying out of granny more often. I like the idea of 1x10 to run a clutch derailleur I've been toying with SS, but I think that is for a different build.

    Aside from that, I think 150mm is the sweet spot for these frames! First ride with a 150mm DPC Sektor and it climbed way better at 150mm than my previous 120mm fork, and I think it climbed better when set at 150 compared to it dropped at 120. When the trail pointed down it was much better as well. It was a better fork from the Raidon that was previously on it (shocking, I know), but I was way more confident heading down with 150mm ahead of me lol

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    A quick question. I'd be running the frame with magura Wotan forks. They're 160mm but are lower in a-c than other forks. They are somewhere between 150 and 160 rs measurements. Would that be ok to run?

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    I would think the fork you've chosen should be fine. they are about an inch longer than the Fox 32 I am currently running. By the time you factor in sag it will be really close in height.
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    I run it at 40mm sag (25%)

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    I think you should be okay. I have a 150 Sektor, and as you may have seen, I think it's just wonderful. I'm not sure what the actual a2c is, but I don't think it would be a big problem to run that Wotan if it's in the ballpark. Obviously it would slacken out the angles a bit, but nothing disastrous I wouldn't think.

    Granted, this is just speculation lol.

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    This bike handles!!!

    so fun…

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    so fun…

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    I think you forgot to throw your hands in the air and scream "TADA!"
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    Hi. I want to buy a 18'' frame. Can anybody with a 18'' frame post a pic. There are lots of pics but I'm not sure which ones are a medium. I'm particularly interested in a side view that shows how much the top tube slopes. For me a steep sloping top tube is a must and a deal breaker.
    Cheers
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    Also. did the raws rust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    Hi. I want to buy a 18'' frame. Can anybody with a 18'' frame post a pic. There are lots of pics but I'm not sure which ones are a medium. I'm particularly interested in a side view that shows how much the top tube slopes. For me a steep sloping top tube is a must and a deal breaker.
    Cheers
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    Also. did the raws rust?
    When I get home I'll try to remember to get a side shot. If you want I can take a measure for the stand over for an UN-SAGGED Fox32 140.
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    Id be interested in that pic also, any chance you could do a (waiste down) shot from the side with you stood over the top tube

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    Here are some shots as promised. since the last set I put on my 50mm stem which makes a world of difference on handling the bike.





    Its hard to tell in the last one but the standover was almost exactly at 29 inches. I am 510 ish with between a 31 and 32 inseam and with the new stem the bike fits great. I think the only change I will make is the stem height.
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    Brilliant, thank you

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    Cheers. It looks really good.

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    will a 16" fit me? I'm 5' 10" with a short 28" inseam. i ride a medium intense uzzi and a ti hard tail both have a 23" (584mm) effective top tube. The 16" evo2 has a effective top tube of 592mm. it sounds to me like the 16" will be a perfect fit? 16" just sounds too small but the reach is fine.
    any thoughts?

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    Have you read the below link,

    Sizing info | Products | News - As Seen On TV

    It may help if you haven't seen it

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    thats a great link. i hadn't seen it.
    it seems that most 5' 10" guys are going for the 16" with a 80mm stem. i prefer the looks of the 16''.
    also they seem to be adding 20mm of spacers under the h bars to get it level. I do need a level riding position, I'm so uncomfortable on my existing hard tail because of the h bars are too low.


    Quote Originally Posted by wpuk View Post
    Have you read the below link,

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    456 EVO 2 or Sovereign Evil ?
    I like the EVO but I want the raw and im worried about rust? I live in a wet snowy climate with losta salt on the roads and it will be ridden on the roads as a commuter through the winter.

    Also, does it climb and DH well?
    I read that the head tube is short and it can put the bars lower than the seat. For me that’s not good.

    Has anybody had any experience of the above concerns?

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    For the rust issue, I would think that if you periodically wipe off the salty residue from the tubes the most you would get is the light patina that you would expect. If worse came to worse you could probably seal the raw using a clear epoxy coat which would prevent the frame from going further than you want.
    The heat tube on the frame is relatively short compared to some other frames, but to the same degree if you use a fork that was on a frame with a longer head tube you can use a few more spacers to take up the slack on the steerer and keep the bars high.
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    mine in size 16"

    actually kind of digging the red white and blue

    magic gear 32-16 with half like - pretty aggressive for climbing, but great for wheelies

    456 Evo II-wp_000770.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    so fun…

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    I had to click the link as the picture didn't show up in the thread but I'm glad I did. Sick shot!

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    456 Evo II-imag0183-600-x-338-.jpg

    Here's mine after a nice night ride in the snow last evening here in western NC.

    Fantastic bike. Love riding it.
    I reserve the right to make fun of your beliefs if I think they are stupid.

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    456 Evo II-456evo2.jpg

    My 456evo2.

    10 speed Saint drivetrain with XT 11-36 cassette and 34t narrow-wide from Wolftooth. 26t granny has been retained for that dirty-finger downshift during long killer climbs.

    Saint brakes with icetech 203/180 rotors. Fox Talas 150mm fork.

    Pro2evo hubs and Flow EX rims. 2.5 minions front, 2.2 Ikons rear.

    Rockshox reverb dropper(not at full height in pic).
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    26t granny has been retained for that dirty-finger downshift during long killer climbs.
    Is that meant to imply the climbs are so long that you loose all bowel control before reaching the top?
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    some mostly aesthitic updates to mine....

    Custom decals, Lev instead of Reverb and a few other things.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 456 Evo II-20131126_160515.jpg  


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    Great looking bikes!

    It's killing that there is still a foot or so of snow covering everything. I gotta get out and ride!

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    456 Evo II

    Curious if people are running the steel 456 evo2 as a SS w/o a tensioner- is there a magic gear, so to speak- etc... I do have an EBB that fits into a standard BB shell (prototype product that never went into full production) but I wonder if it would be necessary. I just really, really like this frame and I like riding SS certain times throughout the season.
    I guarantee I will never, ever be accused of bringing sexy back...

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    456 Evo II

    Never mind my post above- saw the 32:16 comment
    I guarantee I will never, ever be accused of bringing sexy back...

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    I don't know much of anything about single speeds and magic gears, but if chaninstay length plays a factor (and my uneducated guess says it might lol), only 14" and 16" should theoretically have the magic gear at 32:16.

    CS Length for 14" and 16" is 425mm and is 427mm on 18" and 429mm on 20" frames.

    I'm sure there's more that goes into it than that, but just pointing that out

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    anyone have a bb height/drop (with insert travel fork sagged/unsagged) and or wheelbase on this bike (insert size, preferably 20"). Can't find it @ on-one's site.
    Nice looking bikes, btw. I find the choice of saint kind of unexpected and kewl.

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    Re: 456 Evo II

    http://i.imgur.com/jMUUZTm.jpg

    Zombie 500. 47mm trials rims. 2.75" front/2.4" rear. Urban/Trail/???...

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    Very cool! How's she ride rigid?

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    From today's ride:

    456 Evo II-20140403_1603482.jpg

    Took her up a local trail and then hit a downhill trail on the way down. Ton of fun and managed to sneak in a ride before the rain.

    Also upgraded to SLX brakes after BRAKING the MT-2's. Luckily it was just the back plate and mounting screws, but, perhaps because I could never bleed them, the levers always felt different. The back was a short stiff pull with not much dead travel and the front had a ton of travel. It just felt a little wonky and I found a deal on the SLX's. Super easy to bleed and even in the break-in period, I'm a big fan on their modulation and stopping power. And the levers feel great to me so I'm happy.

    Next on the list is a dropper post, wider bars, and a 180mm rotor up front, because, why not? And I have an old Tektro rotor paired with a Magura rotor and it's bugging me . Lol when will the madness end?!

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    hey everyone, i am about 5"11 or 180cm, i have relatively long inseam at 33.9 inches (cca 87 cm), so that results in a relatively short torso. I have the 456 I in size 18" but i feel like i am a bit overstretched and can't get that flickability out of the bike as everyone talks about. I am thinking about getting the Evo II (the dropper post option now has me sold), but i dont know if the post will be sticking out way too much. The ETT at 592 seems perfect, but the 16" seat tube lenght is my main concern. Right now i run a 35mm corto stem, but it is horrible for climbing, but a 50mm stem makes me feel way to stretched on the bike. I use the bike for general trail riding/AM/DH and am just starting to do jumps, but the current size 18 feels clunky for my short torso. Would the 16" be good or should i all together opt for a different frame? i'd just pass the 18" onto my bro as it perfectly fits him at a slightly taller height.

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    Anyone USA people here have trouble hearing back from On One via email? I was hoping to order an Evo II in the raw/blue scheme this week and despite a few emails i haven't been able to hear anything back about whats in stock / when new shipments might come in? I hate being the naggy customer so i just wondered if a few days inbetween response' is typical? Thanks.

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    Sea Otter can't have helped.
    Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Sea Otter can't have helped.
    Sorry.
    Not a huge deal, more or less just was hoping by some chance that one happened to be kicking around somewhere...if i don't here back i'll probably just get it in another color...but that raw is just so dang good looking!


    EDIT: Brandon got back to me the next day and was very helpful in letting me know my options and getting my order shipped quickly. Happy first time customer so far!
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