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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    yeah, gravity. after re-reading my post I guess I didn't do a very good job at asking a question, did I? So, I guess a few add ons...
    How much exposed seat post are people running? Would you be comfortable with 11+ inches of exposed seat post but only 4 inches of post inserted? Seems like a huge lever to me.

    Is anyone having issues running a dropper post due to the short seat tubes?

    If you were my height/dimensions and were between sizes, say a 16 & 18, would you go with one vs the other and why?

    I tend to keep both wheels on the ground on most of my rides. This bike will be a trail bike and used for some road riding/commuting, at the park with the kids, etc.
    Get a large then. If you are not going to whip it a lot. As a trail bike, don't go smaller.

    Or, get a 150mm dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    yeah, gravity. after re-reading my post I guess I didn't do a very good job at asking a question, did I? So, I guess a few add ons...
    How much exposed seat post are people running? Would you be comfortable with 11+ inches of exposed seat post but only 4 inches of post inserted? Seems like a huge lever to me.

    Is anyone having issues running a dropper post due to the short seat tubes?

    If you were my height/dimensions and were between sizes, say a 16 & 18, would you go with one vs the other and why?

    I tend to keep both wheels on the ground on most of my rides. This bike will be a trail bike and used for some road riding/commuting, at the park with the kids, etc.
    It's a tough one...

    I'm 6' and ride a large / 18". Just today I bought a KS Lev with a 150mm drop because the 100mm drop Reverb wasn't giving me enough. Yes, at full mast - the 150mm looks a little odd. However, with this particular post, there is plenty of post still in the frame so damaging the frame isn't a worry.

    I would say you should go the 16" not because of seat post issues but rather because the 18" with a 60mm stem fits me well. You're 4" shorter than me so even with the shortest stem available - the frame is going to be on the long side I would imagine. You'll likely end up with a similarly odd looking mast of a seat post at full extension but who cares. And when you want to lower the post you'll have lots of room to throw the bike around.

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    Gravity, what other bikes/frame have you owned? At 6' I would guess that you're very partial to short top tubes. 23.3 isn't very long in today's standards when running a short stem.

    I just sent Brant an email about this as I also have an El Guapo and he'd be the best person to help me identify if there is something particular about the 456 geo that would make it feel larger than other bikes with comparable geometry???

    My main concern about the 16 is how long of a seatpost I'd be running on it. dropping from a 70mm stem to a 60mm stem seems that it would negate the added ~10mm length in ETT.

    Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Gravity, what other bikes/frame have you owned? At 6' I would guess that you're very partial to short top tubes. 23.3 isn't very long in today's standards when running a short stem.

    I just sent Brant an email about this as I also have an El Guapo and he'd be the best person to help me identify if there is something particular about the 456 geo that would make it feel larger than other bikes with comparable geometry???

    My main concern about the 16 is how long of a seatpost I'd be running on it. dropping from a 70mm stem to a 60mm stem seems that it would negate the added ~10mm length in ETT.

    Hmm....

    Hey mate,

    I'm actually partial to bikes with roomy cockpits. I like running the en vogue short stem / wide bar combo for which one ideally needs a bit with a longer front center. My race bike is a large Morewood Sukuma which has a 24" top tube and on which I run a 50mm Thomson stem. So I guess, considering I am running a 10mm longer stem on the 456, that brings the reach on that bike to within half an inch of the Morewood.

    Ok, if I could wave a magic wand, I guess I would add 3/4 of an inch to the TT but that is something well within the range of sorting out with stem length without getting ridiculous.

    It's such a personal thing though. At the end of the day you should probably just ask yourself whether you'd be more annoyed with a bike that felt slightly too big or slightly too small. I guess if it were me, I'd be more annoyed with the latter.

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    Dumb question but are the decals on these frames clear-coated or can you remove them?

    Thanks again, gravity. I think that I've decided on the 16" frame. I can swap my 400mm Gravity Dropper with a buddy who's running a 425mm. That'll give me another inch of post to work with.

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    Hope I am not opening a can of worms but can this frame be run with 650b wheels?

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    45650b frame to debut soon. Do a quick search for info.

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    what he said.
    And to answer your question: no

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    Very nice buddy. High budget build there. What's she weigh in at? Have you ridden her yet?
    Finally weighed it. 26.5lbs. I am running a Thomson seat post now, no more ks adjustable also replaced pedals to twenty6 predators. Bike is rockn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    Dumb question but are the decals on these frames clear-coated or can you remove them?.
    y

    Sadly no. I really really wish the decals weren't blue or were at least removable.

    Good luck with the bike - I'm sure you'll love it.

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    Hi all, very close to pulling the trigger on the evo 2 and sektor 140mm bundle deal. I'm only 5"3 though and have an inside leg measurement of 28" I think. Will The 14" be small enough for me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kroky View Post
    Hi all, very close to pulling the trigger on the evo 2 and sektor 140mm bundle deal. I'm only 5"3 though and have an inside leg measurement of 28" I think. Will The 14" be small enough for me??
    Yes

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    here is my new Christmas gift.
    456 EVO 2 18in. size.

    Right now running as 1X9 but considering 1X10 or SS.
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    the frame is a lot more slack and rides completely different from my Mountain Cycle Rumble.
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    Love that build! I am 1x9 myself and with a 30t Narrow Wide, I don't find that I'm particularly undergeared. Maybe it's mental, maybe it's due to the ring, but once I made the swap I was able to start clearing techy climbs and bust out longer ones. If only mud and leaves weren't out to get me lol. I've also been staying out of granny more often. I like the idea of 1x10 to run a clutch derailleur I've been toying with SS, but I think that is for a different build.

    Aside from that, I think 150mm is the sweet spot for these frames! First ride with a 150mm DPC Sektor and it climbed way better at 150mm than my previous 120mm fork, and I think it climbed better when set at 150 compared to it dropped at 120. When the trail pointed down it was much better as well. It was a better fork from the Raidon that was previously on it (shocking, I know), but I was way more confident heading down with 150mm ahead of me lol

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    A quick question. I'd be running the frame with magura Wotan forks. They're 160mm but are lower in a-c than other forks. They are somewhere between 150 and 160 rs measurements. Would that be ok to run?

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    I would think the fork you've chosen should be fine. they are about an inch longer than the Fox 32 I am currently running. By the time you factor in sag it will be really close in height.
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    I run it at 40mm sag (25%)

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    I think you should be okay. I have a 150 Sektor, and as you may have seen, I think it's just wonderful. I'm not sure what the actual a2c is, but I don't think it would be a big problem to run that Wotan if it's in the ballpark. Obviously it would slacken out the angles a bit, but nothing disastrous I wouldn't think.

    Granted, this is just speculation lol.

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    This bike handles!!!

    so fun…

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    so fun…

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    I think you forgot to throw your hands in the air and scream "TADA!"
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    Hi. I want to buy a 18'' frame. Can anybody with a 18'' frame post a pic. There are lots of pics but I'm not sure which ones are a medium. I'm particularly interested in a side view that shows how much the top tube slopes. For me a steep sloping top tube is a must and a deal breaker.
    Cheers
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    Also. did the raws rust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    Hi. I want to buy a 18'' frame. Can anybody with a 18'' frame post a pic. There are lots of pics but I'm not sure which ones are a medium. I'm particularly interested in a side view that shows how much the top tube slopes. For me a steep sloping top tube is a must and a deal breaker.
    Cheers
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    Also. did the raws rust?
    When I get home I'll try to remember to get a side shot. If you want I can take a measure for the stand over for an UN-SAGGED Fox32 140.
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    Id be interested in that pic also, any chance you could do a (waiste down) shot from the side with you stood over the top tube

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    Here are some shots as promised. since the last set I put on my 50mm stem which makes a world of difference on handling the bike.





    Its hard to tell in the last one but the standover was almost exactly at 29 inches. I am 510 ish with between a 31 and 32 inseam and with the new stem the bike fits great. I think the only change I will make is the stem height.
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    Brilliant, thank you

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    Cheers. It looks really good.

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    will a 16" fit me? I'm 5' 10" with a short 28" inseam. i ride a medium intense uzzi and a ti hard tail both have a 23" (584mm) effective top tube. The 16" evo2 has a effective top tube of 592mm. it sounds to me like the 16" will be a perfect fit? 16" just sounds too small but the reach is fine.
    any thoughts?

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    Have you read the below link,

    Sizing info | Products | News - As Seen On TV

    It may help if you haven't seen it

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    thats a great link. i hadn't seen it.
    it seems that most 5' 10" guys are going for the 16" with a 80mm stem. i prefer the looks of the 16''.
    also they seem to be adding 20mm of spacers under the h bars to get it level. I do need a level riding position, I'm so uncomfortable on my existing hard tail because of the h bars are too low.


    Quote Originally Posted by wpuk View Post
    Have you read the below link,

    Sizing info | Products | News - As Seen On TV

    It may help if you haven't seen it

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    456 EVO 2 or Sovereign Evil ?
    I like the EVO but I want the raw and im worried about rust? I live in a wet snowy climate with losta salt on the roads and it will be ridden on the roads as a commuter through the winter.

    Also, does it climb and DH well?
    I read that the head tube is short and it can put the bars lower than the seat. For me that’s not good.

    Has anybody had any experience of the above concerns?

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    For the rust issue, I would think that if you periodically wipe off the salty residue from the tubes the most you would get is the light patina that you would expect. If worse came to worse you could probably seal the raw using a clear epoxy coat which would prevent the frame from going further than you want.
    The heat tube on the frame is relatively short compared to some other frames, but to the same degree if you use a fork that was on a frame with a longer head tube you can use a few more spacers to take up the slack on the steerer and keep the bars high.
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    mine in size 16"

    actually kind of digging the red white and blue

    magic gear 32-16 with half like - pretty aggressive for climbing, but great for wheelies

    456 Evo II-wp_000770.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    so fun…

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    I had to click the link as the picture didn't show up in the thread but I'm glad I did. Sick shot!

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    456 Evo II-imag0183-600-x-338-.jpg

    Here's mine after a nice night ride in the snow last evening here in western NC.

    Fantastic bike. Love riding it.
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    456 Evo II-456evo2.jpg

    My 456evo2.

    10 speed Saint drivetrain with XT 11-36 cassette and 34t narrow-wide from Wolftooth. 26t granny has been retained for that dirty-finger downshift during long killer climbs.

    Saint brakes with icetech 203/180 rotors. Fox Talas 150mm fork.

    Pro2evo hubs and Flow EX rims. 2.5 minions front, 2.2 Ikons rear.

    Rockshox reverb dropper(not at full height in pic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSuarez View Post
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    26t granny has been retained for that dirty-finger downshift during long killer climbs.
    Is that meant to imply the climbs are so long that you loose all bowel control before reaching the top?
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    some mostly aesthitic updates to mine....

    Custom decals, Lev instead of Reverb and a few other things.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 456 Evo II-20131126_160515.jpg  


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    Great looking bikes!

    It's killing that there is still a foot or so of snow covering everything. I gotta get out and ride!

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    456 Evo II

    Curious if people are running the steel 456 evo2 as a SS w/o a tensioner- is there a magic gear, so to speak- etc... I do have an EBB that fits into a standard BB shell (prototype product that never went into full production) but I wonder if it would be necessary. I just really, really like this frame and I like riding SS certain times throughout the season.
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    456 Evo II

    Never mind my post above- saw the 32:16 comment
    I guarantee I will never, ever be accused of bringing sexy back...

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    I don't know much of anything about single speeds and magic gears, but if chaninstay length plays a factor (and my uneducated guess says it might lol), only 14" and 16" should theoretically have the magic gear at 32:16.

    CS Length for 14" and 16" is 425mm and is 427mm on 18" and 429mm on 20" frames.

    I'm sure there's more that goes into it than that, but just pointing that out

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    anyone have a bb height/drop (with insert travel fork sagged/unsagged) and or wheelbase on this bike (insert size, preferably 20"). Can't find it @ on-one's site.
    Nice looking bikes, btw. I find the choice of saint kind of unexpected and kewl.

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    Re: 456 Evo II

    http://i.imgur.com/jMUUZTm.jpg

    Zombie 500. 47mm trials rims. 2.75" front/2.4" rear. Urban/Trail/???...

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    Very cool! How's she ride rigid?

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    From today's ride:

    456 Evo II-20140403_1603482.jpg

    Took her up a local trail and then hit a downhill trail on the way down. Ton of fun and managed to sneak in a ride before the rain.

    Also upgraded to SLX brakes after BRAKING the MT-2's. Luckily it was just the back plate and mounting screws, but, perhaps because I could never bleed them, the levers always felt different. The back was a short stiff pull with not much dead travel and the front had a ton of travel. It just felt a little wonky and I found a deal on the SLX's. Super easy to bleed and even in the break-in period, I'm a big fan on their modulation and stopping power. And the levers feel great to me so I'm happy.

    Next on the list is a dropper post, wider bars, and a 180mm rotor up front, because, why not? And I have an old Tektro rotor paired with a Magura rotor and it's bugging me . Lol when will the madness end?!

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    hey everyone, i am about 5"11 or 180cm, i have relatively long inseam at 33.9 inches (cca 87 cm), so that results in a relatively short torso. I have the 456 I in size 18" but i feel like i am a bit overstretched and can't get that flickability out of the bike as everyone talks about. I am thinking about getting the Evo II (the dropper post option now has me sold), but i dont know if the post will be sticking out way too much. The ETT at 592 seems perfect, but the 16" seat tube lenght is my main concern. Right now i run a 35mm corto stem, but it is horrible for climbing, but a 50mm stem makes me feel way to stretched on the bike. I use the bike for general trail riding/AM/DH and am just starting to do jumps, but the current size 18 feels clunky for my short torso. Would the 16" be good or should i all together opt for a different frame? i'd just pass the 18" onto my bro as it perfectly fits him at a slightly taller height.

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    Anyone USA people here have trouble hearing back from On One via email? I was hoping to order an Evo II in the raw/blue scheme this week and despite a few emails i haven't been able to hear anything back about whats in stock / when new shipments might come in? I hate being the naggy customer so i just wondered if a few days inbetween response' is typical? Thanks.

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    Sea Otter can't have helped.
    Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Sea Otter can't have helped.
    Sorry.
    Not a huge deal, more or less just was hoping by some chance that one happened to be kicking around somewhere...if i don't here back i'll probably just get it in another color...but that raw is just so dang good looking!


    EDIT: Brandon got back to me the next day and was very helpful in letting me know my options and getting my order shipped quickly. Happy first time customer so far!
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