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    456 evo

    Hi! any news about the frame? I'm really loking forward to it, but come on, I'm sure there is a lot of lurkers like me that really need to know more about the new geo, in wich state of development it is and some estimated dates when it will be available. Just to create some hype and keep the excitement high until we can ride it you know? thank you very much

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    Is there a new ti456? Interested in ti but no longer in stock

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    456 Evo Geometry
    Proportional chainstay length keeps rear wheel pinned on the climbs, whilst not forcing riders forward on steep seat angles.
    A change of 1mm at the dropout is the same as moving the rider forward 4mm at the saddle. But without making you sit 4mm further forward!
    » 456 Evo Geometry Shed Fire : Designing for On-One, Titus and Planet X from Calderdale.

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    awesome, just in time!

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    Anyone know if they upgraded the seatpost to a more contemporary diameter. And when will we see these things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis01 View Post
    Anyone know if they upgraded the seatpost to a more contemporary diameter. And when will we see these things?
    in stock by end of the month.
    seat post remains 27.2mm for now I'm afraid.

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    bummer. That was the deciding factor between the 456 and a blue pig (which CRC is painfully slow in getting)

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    size 18 mat raw frame being shipped now. I can't wait!

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    Some pics here:-

    456 Evo XT built up - On-One

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    what would be recommended frame size for a person with:
    slightly above 6"; inside leg 34 1/4"; apelike long arms.

    Fork will be a 120 mm for the time being. Intended usage are trails and relaxed all mountain tours; no freeride, jumping, etc.

    Looks a bit I'm somehow between 18 and 20". Regarding the frame length I'd prefer the 20" size, but I'm wondering if the stand-over height might then be a bit too much for my size.

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    eighteen inches

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    hey brant im 6'2" what size would you say would suit me mate? prob going to get the bundle with the rockshox rev,cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by roddas1 View Post
    hey brant im 6'2" what size would you say would suit me mate? prob going to get the bundle with the rockshox rev,cheers
    If you want to ride with saddle at xc height then you probably need to go to 20in. The seat tube is 18in or 20in centre to top (top of seat tube, not top tube) so easy to check on your current bike.

    That package now discontinued as we cleared the pedals out yesterday. But we will revise it down without them.

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    o.k cheers man,i'll go with a 20".any idea how many you have left in stock?i'm keen on the mat raw one.cheers

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    also forgot to ask any idea when the new bundles might be available?and thanks for the quick reply.

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    another question mate,on the spec for the frame it say's the headset is 1.125 ec34,but the bundle say's the headset is a 1.1/8? i haven't been riding much in the past 10yrs so all the headset stuff is a bit confusing,or am i just stoopid?
    p.s while i'm here might as well confirm BB is 73mm right?
    p.p.s would a marzocchi 66VF2 be o.k with said frame?
    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by roddas1 View Post
    another question mate,on the spec for the frame it say's the headset is 1.125 ec34,but the bundle say's the headset is a 1.1/8? i haven't been riding much in the past 10yrs so all the headset stuff is a bit confusing,or am i just stoopid?
    p.s while i'm here might as well confirm BB is 73mm right?
    p.p.s would a marzocchi 66VF2 be o.k with said frame?
    cheers
    EC34 = 1.125in standard.
    73mm BB
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    66VF2? She's long. 170mm? We only test up to 160mm, but I'm sure it's fine.

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    thanks brant...awesome

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    hey brant since you are the man to go to,i have another question.as stated i'm 6'2" going to get the 456 evo 20" frame,will be running an old rockshox seat post,90mm thomson stem.what's your advise as to the right crank length for me?cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by roddas1 View Post
    hey brant since you are the man to go to,i have another question.as stated i'm 6'2" going to get the 456 evo 20" frame,will be running an old rockshox seat post,90mm thomson stem.what's your advise as to the right crank length for me?cheers
    50-70mm stem, rock shox post? It's 27.2mm.... and 175 cranks.

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    yep old shox post is 27.2,already have a 90mm thomson,so prob use it.was thinking with lower bb on evo mybe 170's would be better but since it's your design i'll take your advise.cheers mate

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    If I just have any time to build it up... Awesome looking frame, I expect the ride to be even better
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    nice bro,is that a 20"?

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    no it isn't, it's a 18". Im small enough to ride normal sized frames instead of hideous gates

    the raw one in the first post looks like a 20"

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    Quote Originally Posted by roddas1 View Post
    nice bro,is that a 20"?
    Finish looks sick.

    Nice match with the orange bars!!!
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    Gotta say, that raw finish looks pretty good. Nice touch there Brant!
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    What are those handlebars? I love me some orange bars when they match. Reminds me of creamsicles and early 70's Camaros.

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    sweet
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    can someone tell me where is the standover height taken from?cheers

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    I love my Inbred, and decided to sell as much shite at at a swap meet this weekend to buy and build up an Evo. Thanks for the pics, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roddas1 View Post
    can someone tell me where is the standover height taken from?cheers

    it's bikecad's description of stand over, which is from the centre point of the top tube.

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    cheers brant,you da man....just ordered an 18" evo in blue

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    The raw finish is tits! Can't wait to get my hands on a 16" one... I'll post pics when I get it
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    Ok so I just ordered one of the 16" 456 evo frames in the raw finish! I also ordered a headset, seatpost clamp and headset spacers while I was at it! I'm so excited! Does anyone know how long the shipping will take to get to the United States, specifically Pennsylvania?

    Thanks in advance!
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    waiting for Chain device and proper stem, but apart from that, the thing is finally rideable
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    VERY sick! Please lend me some luck and good thoughts on this weekend's bicycle swap meet. It's the only way I'll be able to leverage a new Evo frame without the wife killing me.

    You know, a lot of people are so into the latest and greatest carbon this and that. All my bikes but 1, are steel. On-One happens to make an incredible steel frame for a kick ass price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    it's bikecad's description of stand over, which is from the centre point of the top tube.
    Brant... My Inbred is an 18" and I like the feel of it, even though I'm 5'9" - 5'10".

    Would an 18" 456 be too big? I like to ride my bikes slightly xc'ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Would an 18" 456 be too big? I like to ride my bikes slightly xc'ish.
    Then keep your inbred.

    (ps: I have drunk quite a lot tonight).

    (pps: I am 6'1" and I ride an 18in. Should you ride same size as me?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Then keep your inbred.

    (ps: I have drunk quite a lot tonight).

    (pps: I am 6'1" and I ride an 18in. Should you ride same size as me?)
    Keeping the Inbred. I want an evo; I want to support your brand.

    Thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knockbox View Post
    Wow, love the look of this frame. The raw with the orange decals reminds me of my old Orange P7. Would be great if the frames had the swap out drop outs.... Any chance of this in the future????
    Having just "removed" the Swapouts from the rest of the steel range, I've no plans to add them back in to the Evo.

    That said, a higher spec Evo with, maybe, True Temper OX Platinum tubing and a 44mm headtube, say... that could get Swapouts, but its pricetag would probably be higher than our Carbon 456, so what's the point?

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    Wow, love the look of this frame. The raw with the orange decals reminds me of my old Orange P7. Would be great if the frames had the swap out drop outs.... Any chance of this in the future????

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    That said, a higher spec Evo with, maybe, True Temper OX Platinum tubing and a 44mm headtube, say... that could get Swapouts, but its pricetag would probably be higher than our Carbon 456, so what's the point?
    Some of us just love quality geometry, steel frames, and single speed compatibility without having to use ugly chain tensioners.

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    Finally finished!

    It's dirty now and I can say that it is amazingly fun to ride, the geo is just perfect, I love it!

    better pics next week, I promise!
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    Looks awesome!
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    thanks!

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    Fer83 that is a hot bike! I'm still waiting on my frame to get here, I'm in the usa so the shipping is taking forever... lol

    Also keep the pictures coming!
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    My mouth is watering over that RAW frame. similar geo to the summer season and ragleys? I can't help but think climbing would be tough with 65.7* unsagged HTA, but plenty have said in other threads that climbing is good. Interested in hearing ride reports... don't know if I can even resist that raw frame tho

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    climbing is good, at least with 130mm of travel / 510mm tall fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown-rider View Post
    Ok so I just ordered one of the 16" 456 evo frames in the raw finish! I also ordered a headset, seatpost clamp and headset spacers while I was at it! I'm so excited! Does anyone know how long the shipping will take to get to the United States, specifically Pennsylvania?

    Thanks in advance!
    Headset spacers? No freakin' way! That's awesome!
    Hehehe, just busting your chops

    Between me and a friend, we've had three separate orders shipped to the DC area. The quickest was 7 days; the longest was 13 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hn View Post
    Headset spacers? No freakin' way! That's awesome!
    Hehehe, just busting your chops

    Between me and a friend, we've had three separate orders shipped to the DC area. The quickest was 7 days; the longest was 13 days.
    Thanks for the shipping times! Oh did I mention they are lightweight headset spacers! lol
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    Some crappy night pics:
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    Hi!
    First of all i want to apologize for my pure english!
    In this time of period i ride a 29er trek marlin with a lot of upgrades, like rock shox reba dua air and deore brakes and slx groupset.
    I make thoughts of sell it and start a new project with an evo frame.
    I ride a lot, about 100 kilometres per week and the most of them in high mountains but i want to exercise more in trails, so i think that an am bike would be perfect for me!
    What do you think?
    Would it be difficult to climb with this geometry and a 150mm fork?
    Thank you!

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    I ride both a SS inbred 29er (rigid) and a geared 456 with 130 up front. They're definitely different beast as you can imagine. Your Trek is geared more toward efficiency and XC riding as where the 456 is more or less a hardtail freeride bike that can still climb. There will be trade off in terms of efficiency, but I promise you the 456 will be a bit more fun to throw around on the mountain trails.
    Of course, I'm 6'2", so I pretty much view my 456 as my BMX

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    I guess it is not possible to use the syntace x12 axle on the new evo right?

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    Thank you mr col200!
    I think that i will start the 456 evo project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fantozzi View Post
    I guess it is not possible to use the syntace x12 axle on the new evo right?
    It's not.

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    I noticed on the website that recommended fork length is 150mm max.
    Do you think 160 mm would kill the handling( it's what I have lying around)?
    If so, does anyone know if On-One has something like the bagger coming?
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jujuyak View Post
    I noticed on the website that recommended fork length is 150mm max.
    Do you think 160 mm would kill the handling( it's what I have lying around)?
    If so, does anyone know if On-One has something like the bagger coming?
    thanks
    We don't have a Bagger type frame in development. The frame main tubes have been CEN tested to 160mm in previous model, so I imagine it's all fine. Geoemtry will be fine with longer fork.

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    thank you

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    I may be wrong, but I don't see too many diferences with the "first generation" Summer Season frames, right?
    Just about +0'5ºhead degree angle, top tube a bit longer, and chainstays also a bit longer in size 18"... am I missing something else? Will those small changes make a huge difference?

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    Seat angle steeper, BB lower. Small tweaks. Quite a difference as a whole.

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    I missed those, thanks for your answer Brant.

    Yesterday night I sold my old 456 Summer season, and ordered an 18" EVO frame (and a 16" for a friend), so I hope I'll be noticing those differences myself pretty soon. Really eager to enjoy it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by verbo View Post
    I missed those, thanks for your answer Brant.

    Yesterday night I sold my old 456 Summer season, and ordered an 18" EVO frame (and a 16" for a friend), so I hope I'll be noticing those differences myself pretty soon. Really eager to enjoy it!
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    Hi again!
    I want to order an on one 456 evo frame but i donta know which size to pick,
    i allready sent an email at on one but i want your opinion too.
    Im 1,80 cm with 80 cm inseam, the frame that i use know is a trek marlin and because of my short inseam i have a standover broblem.
    Marlin has an 62,2 effective top tube if i choose on one 16 size with 592 effective top tube wil this be a big problem?
    Which size do you think would be better for an all mountain use?
    Thank you!

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    Proper pics! lovely bike, isn't it?
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    fer, your bike is just awesome... bueno, lo que quiero decir es que mola que te cagas

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    been meaning to ask,is the evo taking the place of both current steel 456 offerings or is just the SS being dropped and there will still be the standard 456 along with the evo? Also on that note, i have a standard 456 and love it but if the evo was an option when i got it a year and a half ago i would have opted for the evo.

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    Evo replaces 456 and SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexiskon1 View Post
    Hi again!
    I want to order an on one 456 evo frame but i donta know which size to pick,
    i allready sent an email at on one but i want your opinion too.
    Im 1,80 cm with 80 cm inseam, the frame that i use know is a trek marlin and because of my short inseam i have a standover broblem.
    Marlin has an 62,2 effective top tube if i choose on one 16 size with 592 effective top tube wil this be a big problem?
    Which size do you think would be better for an all mountain use?
    Thank you!
    Any idea please, on one still didnt answer me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexiskon1 View Post
    Any idea please, on one still didnt answer me.
    Hard to call, but 18in would be ok.
    Fisher sounds long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Hard to call, but 18in would be ok.
    Fisher sounds long!
    Thank you for your answer Brant.

    Dont you think i will have the same standover problem again?

    I read that the standover of the 18 size with a 150mm fork will be 80cm, the same as my inseam

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    150mm hardtails are tall. You aren't.
    Standover is over rated. You will NEVER fall off and end up stood over the toptube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    150mm hardtails are tall. You aren't.
    Standover is over rated. You will NEVER fall off and end up stood over the toptube.
    Exactly. Standover is the last thing I'm looking at for proper fit.
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    When I said "18in is OK" - this is based on the fact you are erring towards long top tube.

    Personally a 24.5in top tube on a bike for a guy who is 5'10" seems a little long, even if you run a 40mm stem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    When I said "18in is OK" - this is based on the fact you are erring towards long top tube.

    Personally a 24.5in top tube on a bike for a guy who is 5'10" seems a little long, even if you run a 40mm stem!
    i'm right in between 5'10" and 5'11" and ride an 18 inch 456 with a 60mm stem and it feels perfect. but i also have a 32" inseam and long arms.

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    Thank you for your answers
    I think i gonna buy the 16 size, because if i choose 18 i will have again the same standover problem again!
    The difference between the ett of 16 and 18 size is tinny i think and with a 60mm stem i will be ok!

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    Hello! I also got a question regarding size. I'm 190 cm tall, proportionally built, would a 20'' be better than 18''?

    Tnx!

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    yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by fer83 View Post
    Proper pics! lovely bike, isn't it?
    It is but if you used a short cage the shifting for that 1x would make it even more delicious!
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    10 speed whit a short mech derailleur will be the next upgrade but I want to kill the nice 9 speed XT cassette first

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    This seems to be a good place to ask this, because everyone else seems to be asking sizing questions; I'm 14 years old, 5 foot 6 inches (167.64cm) tall, my inseam is 32 inches (81.28cm). According to On One's sizing chart chart, I'm a 16" frame for height, but for inseam, I'm an 18" frame. I mainly do aggressive trail riding/all mountain riding. What size frame do you guys think I should get?

    Thanks ahead of time guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by strikerkidNY View Post
    This seems to be a good place to ask this, because everyone else seems to be asking sizing questions; I'm 14 years old, 5 foot 6 inches (167.64cm) tall, my inseam is 32 inches (81.28cm). According to On One's sizing chart chart, I'm a 16" frame for height, but for inseam, I'm an 18" frame. I mainly do aggressive trail riding/all mountain riding. What size frame do you guys think I should get?

    Thanks ahead of time guys!
    Are you sure that you measure your inseam correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnas View Post
    Are you sure that you measure your inseam correct?
    Quite certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strikerkidNY View Post
    Quite certain.
    i think the reason the previous poster was asking is because a 32" inseam on someone who is 5'6" is pretty, well, disproportionate. for example, i have an average-sized frame, and am 6' tall with a 32" inseam.

    not saying your measurements are impossible but, unless you're all legs (literally), you might want to retry.

    fwiw, i ride an 18" 456c with the measurements listed above and it fits fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robot View Post
    i think the reason the previous poster was asking is because a 32" inseam on someone who is 5'6" is pretty, well, disproportionate. for example, i have an average-sized frame, and am 6' tall with a 32" inseam.

    not saying your measurements are impossible but, unless you're all legs (literally), you might want to retry.

    fwiw, i ride an 18" 456c with the measurements listed above and it fits fine.
    But is 32" your pants inseam or cycling inseam?

    I am just under 6"1'. Pants inseam 33", cycling inseam 35.5". The latter is want matters (for standover). But the length of the frame is more important for bike fit.
    If you have long legs for your height, a smaller frame may fit better.
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    I just started my 456Evo build (the frame is beautiful!) and ran into a problem already.
    I am using the new On-One MAX Adaptable Maxle Wheelset, which uses a 9mm rear skewer. While the 9mm skewer fits the 'brake side' dropout, there's no way it's fitting in the drive side dropout. Anyone else experience this? Any ideas on what I should do?
    Doesn't look like I can use a 5mm QR with this wheelset either.

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    Sounds like the rear dropout slot has closed up very slightly on the gear side. A small tap to the rear mech hanger without a wheel in place could do this - or of course, thick paint/laquer in the dropout (the frames are hung vertically when drying) could do that too.

    The difference between fit/not fit is tiny - and I'm sure a small amount of gentle tweaking would fix it.

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    That's kinda what I was thinking. Will definitely give that a shot tonight. Thanks!

    Before building it up, I was able to directly compare the Evo (20") to my (used and abused) baby blue 456. I can definitely see some minor changes in the geometry. The seat tube angle and the chainstay length were noticeably different. Should be interesting to see how those affect the ride.

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    In the mail

    Just ordered up two Evo frames. a 16 and an 18. I'll let you all know when they show up in the states, and how they turn out.

    I ordered one with the Revelation. Is there a definitive answer on if it can be shrunk down to 130mm? I've been getting mixed messages.

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    ^ You did order from the USA dealer, right? and not the UK dealer?
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    I'm still waiting on my 456 evo frame to be delivered to me here in the US of A, apparently TNT international shipping sucks! If my frame would have been shipped fedex or UPS it would have been here already....
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown-rider View Post
    I'm still waiting on my 456 evo frame to be delivered to me here in the US of A, apparently TNT international shipping sucks! If my frame would have been shipped fedex or UPS it would have been here already....
    I love DHL and overseas shipping of bike stuff. They take 2 and 1/2 days to get to me in the U.S. It scares me... really... it does...
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    Something ugly happens to the rear rim in the last pic, note the raw nipples too
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    456 EVO 16" are out of stock..any idea when they will be available again?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingleman View Post
    456 EVO 16" are out of stock..any idea when they will be available again?
    Thanks
    May 10th

    ps: here's a pic of the complete bike.

    » 456 Evo X5 Sektor – £799 all day long (unless they sell out then we’ll put them up a bit) Shed Fire : Designing for On-One, Titus and Planet X from Calderdale.

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    Thanks..in the meanwhile you will think about how and when the 29" summer season will come out..I guess I want to build up a 456 ..

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    So I got my 456 Evo frame yesterday, yeah! Anywho, I mounted up the 8" rotors I had ordered and realized that on the frame there was a millimeter or less of clearance between the left chainstay and the rotor. so it's probably best to keep to 7" or under on the rear wheel... lol. I'll post pics once I get my chainguide mounted. As she sits she weighs in at ~33.5lbs, might have something to do with the 6.5lb marzocchi fork, 2.5" intense front tire, DH crank and hayes stroker ace DH brakes with 8" rotors ;D
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    Hey guys...I got the new 456 EVO frame...is a face milling of the headset and bottom bracket necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fantozzi View Post
    Hey guys...I got the new 456 EVO frame...is a face milling of the headset and bottom bracket necessary?
    I've never ever done it on my own bike.

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    I'm actually gonna get it done tonight since 0/2 headsets worked well on my new Evo frame, but worked fine on my old 456.

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