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    I'm trying to order a 20" EVO 2 really soon but the website says in stock soon. Any word on when you will be getting some more frames available for US delivery, Brant?

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    Brant,

    How much "patina" can these frames get before they become unsafe? I actually wanna patina the shit outta mine and then give it a clear coat.

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    Repost from singlespeed forum =) first ride with new for me but old coil minute 140mm)

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    Nice. I have an Evo on the way and have all SS stuff about to go on it, but was debating gears. I think itll stay SS for a bit longer.

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    Re: 456 evo

    Quote Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    The postman was kind enough to deliver something rather lovely yesterday (seriously, does time pass more slowly than when you're waiting for a new bike!). Worth the wait however..... The frame looks good - looks like it's worth twice the price.

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    Haven't had a proper ride on it yet - just a bash around the neighborhood so don't know how it'll feel on the trail yet. Does feel great doing a bit of street however.

    Build includes Marz 44 Rc3 Ti (no air on this baby), Reverb, Minion 2.5 Exo F, Ardent 2.25 Exo R (both setup tubeless), 1 x 10 Zee derailleur with Wold Tooth "Drop Stop" chainring and BBG Bashy.
    Total build is 13kg's on the dot.

    As soon as I am over this damn flu I'm gonna give her a thrashin'
    What size is the frame? I'm 186mm but have shorter legs/longer torso combo so I'm pondering between 18 and 20.

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    Oops, I turned my 456 into a commuter.

    Somewhere out there, Brant is crying.

    I'm actually pumped about this build, as with a quick tire change I can work the trails, leaving with with a nice back up bike when my main MTB brakes down. This thing rides really well rigid with 2.4s.
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    What type of fork are you using? I have a rigid Inbred with an On-One fork (440mm A to C). I really like it, but I am thinking I'd like it to be a bit more slack up front. I was considering the 456, but I didn't think you could get a rigid fork that would be long enough to create the intended geometry. Your fork looks short compared to the bikes above (post 303 & 305), but still probably longer than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcitizen1 View Post
    Somewhere out there, Brant is crying.

    I'm actually pumped about this build, as with a quick tire change I can work the trails, leaving with with a nice back up bike when my main MTB brakes down. This thing rides really well rigid with 2.4s.
    ^^pedal strikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drakche View Post
    What size is the frame? I'm 186mm but have shorter legs/longer torso combo so I'm pondering between 18 and 20.
    I'm your size, w shorter legs and longer torso. I went with the 18, it works for me but if I could do it over I would order the 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hn View Post
    @jcitizen1
    What type of fork are you using? I have a rigid Inbred with an On-One fork (440mm A to C). I really like it, but I am thinking I'd like it to be a bit more slack up front. I was considering the 456, but I didn't think you could get a rigid fork that would be long enough to create the intended geometry. Your fork looks short compared to the bikes above (post 303 & 305), but still probably longer than mine.
    j0hn , I'm using a Surly Instigator fork: Forks | Parts and Accessories | Surly Bikes which is a 100mm corrected fork, so it only dropped the headtube angle by about 1 degree. I actually like the way this frame rides a lot better a bit less slack as my trails have a lot of steep ups, which weren't the most fun with a 120mm fork. I always had fun on the bike, but it felt "perfect" rigid with this fork for the kind of eastern canadian riding I do. When I took it out west, though, the slackness was much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElwoodT View Post
    ^^pedal strikes?
    I've had no more or less pedal strikes than before with the shorter fork. The frame was designed to run 4" - 6" forks so this makes sense. In case you're wondering, I ride an 18" with a 70mm stem. I am just under six feet, with a bit of a longer torso and this frame fits great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcitizen1 View Post
    j0hn , I'm using a Surly Instigator fork: Forks | Parts and Accessories | Surly Bikes which is a 100mm corrected fork, so it only dropped the headtube angle by about 1 degree. I actually like the way this frame rides a lot better a bit less slack as my trails have a lot of steep ups, which weren't the most fun with a 120mm fork. I always had fun on the bike, but it felt "perfect" rigid with this fork for the kind of eastern canadian riding I do. When I took it out west, though, the slackness was much appreciated.
    OK, thanks. That fork is 447 mm axle to crown, so only 7mm longer than the one I have now. Hmm...

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    I am 5'10.5 inches/180cm with a 32" inseam. I have the oppurtunity to buy a 20" 456 evo from a friend. I know from the sizing chart that an 18" would be a better fit, but the 20" is a good deal. Unfortunately I am unable to try before I purchase. Anyone have any knowledge as to whether a 456 20" would fit me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agrumpyoldtroll View Post
    I am 5'10.5 inches/180cm with a 32" inseam. I have the oppurtunity to buy a 20" 456 evo from a friend. I know from the sizing chart that an 18" would be a better fit, but the 20" is a good deal. Unfortunately I am unable to try before I purchase. Anyone have any knowledge as to whether a 456 20" would fit me?
    I'm 6'1" and I ride an 18in.

    A 20in is far too big for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agrumpyoldtroll View Post
    I am 5'10.5 inches/180cm with a 32" inseam. I have the oppurtunity to buy a 20" 456 evo from a friend. I know from the sizing chart that an 18" would be a better fit, but the 20" is a good deal. Unfortunately I am unable to try before I purchase. Anyone have any knowledge as to whether a 456 20" would fit me?
    At 300 bucks brand new, the 456 is always a deal. You're almost an inch shorter than me, so I would highly recommend NOT getting the 20. I built up a frame recently that was about a 20" frame with similar effective top tube and it was too big and rode like ****. 18 is spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I'm 6'1" and I ride an 18in.

    A 20in is far too big for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by jcitizen1 View Post
    At 300 bucks brand new, the 456 is always a deal. You're almost an inch shorter than me, so I would highly recommend NOT getting the 20. I built up a frame recently that was about a 20" frame with similar effective top tube and it was too big and rode like ****. 18 is spot on.
    Thanks. I figured as much, my Blue Pig and Fatty are both 18", I was hoping maybe i could stand on my toes on a 20" since it was a carbon at a steal of a price.

    Anyway, I went ahead and instead ordered 2 steel 456 evo 2's. One for the wife and one for myself. That carbon was so TEMPTING!!!

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    Good for you. The wrong bike is not a deal at any price. I'm 6'1" and ride an 18" inbred.

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    ... and if we just ... Heres Mine

    Just finished building this up- my new 456 Evo II. Quick ride on it tonight and loving it so far. BMX bike feel, very snappy. Been on a 29 Santa Cruz Tallboy last 2 years which is super fast but makes everything sooo easy. The experience is kind of numbing on that bike. I like the connected feel I have on this bike. I've decided that it's about the number of smiles and thrills I get from riding, not how fast I am in a time trial. This bike will keep me smiling
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    I am wondering what size Evo 2 would be best for me to get if I wanted a more upright riding position?

    I am 6' with a 34" inside leg so its between 18" or 20".

    Will 18" mean too high of a seat post? Or will 20" mean too long ETT?

    Cheers!

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    In my opinion the 18 would be a good fit. ETT would be close for an aggressive riding style. Stem length and setback posts can fine tune also. I'm 5'8" and the ETT on my 18 felt long initially until I switched to a 50mm stem. May try a 40 still debating. I like a short ETT as I like a bmx bike feel
    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopriest31 View Post
    In my opinion the 18 would be a good fit. ETT would be close for an aggressive riding style. Stem length and setback posts can fine tune also. I'm 5'8" and the ETT on my 18 felt long initially until I switched to a 50mm stem. May try a 40 still debating. I like a short ETT as I like a bmx bike feel
    Good luck
    Cheers for the advice

    You mentioned the 18 would be good for an aggressive riding style, by this do you mean a more bent over position? If so I would prefer something more upright, would that mean I should go for the 20?

    Sorry I'm a bit of a noob :P

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    By aggressive I mean more upright "all mountain" style position. I always hated the hunched over cc riding position going back to the late 80s. I used to put bmx cruiser bars and stems on old mountain bikes and got razzed for it if you want a more upright position I'd stay with the 18. Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopriest31 View Post
    By aggressive I mean more upright "all mountain" style position. I always hated the hunched over cc riding position going back to the late 80s. I used to put bmx cruiser bars and stems on old mountain bikes and got razzed for it if you want a more upright position I'd stay with the 18. Good luck
    Ah ok then cheers I will go for the 18 then!

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    new to me old pike (seems taylor made for the bike) and brand new onone knuckleball carbon handlebar, among other little touches

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    Still not finished, but already a hell of a ride. Really loving to shred with it.

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    Built with

    16" Ti Frame
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    Schwalbe Rock Razor & Hans Dampf
    Thomson Cockpit
    Rock Shox Pike and Reverb
    Shimano XT Groupset (160mm rotors)
    Gilles Berthoud Galibier saddle
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    12.08kgs

    Still need to replace the seatclamp.

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    Really itching to build me up one of these. Such a sick looking bike.

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    hey JV and Dark BenLaden, both are sick looking bikes. Just wondering about the size? I have an 18" Evo in blue, but it somehow feels a bit too much like my old XC bike, not sure if the 16" would be better? I am in between sizes, I am 5'10 but with a 34" inseam, not sure if the 16" would work. The ETT seems perfect on the 16", but the seat tube size is holding me back. However, looking at your bike pics it looks like you opted for the smaller size given the seat tube extension. Just wondering how your expereince is with it? does the bike still serve as a decent climber and general trail rider or is it now mainly downhill focused? thanks.

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    Hi The Factory
    I'm 5'9 (176cm) tall, and my inseam is about 32". I have an allmoutain/freeride bike with 573mm ETT and a XC bike with 602mm. I feel the first one (coilair2010) a little too short, and the second one too long for trail riding, so the 16" 456 with 592mm seemed to me the size to match my demands. I really didn't care about the seat tube size, since it reaches the bottom bracket, and a 400mm seatpost gives me enough room to properly fit it in the frame.

    When climbing I feel the front wheel trying to get out of the ground. Not as much as other bikes do, but more than I would expect. Probably this as also to do with the 160mm fork I have. On the other side, and with these short chainstays, the power transfer is noticeable, there is no play on the bottom bracket and titanium does its job very very well on delievering a wonderful ride.

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    thanks for the reply JV. I think I'll just go for it and grab the 16". I had the chance to try a Canyon Tourque over the past weekend with a 570mm effective, and did feel quite cramped.

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    Hi The Factory
    I'm 174 cm with relatively short arms/legs and just bought a frame with my ordinary ett about 590mm. 16" 456evo fits me fine with 60/70 stem, 350mm seatpost have about 10-15mm extra length to minimal insert (with clipless pedals). Bike is for everything from city to one-day rides for 100-150km (little total ascend, 700-1000m), soft races and orienteering for 6-12 hours. I have an hard adventure in May: 500km for 7 days with 6000m ascend - rider rides, not bike sorry for my English.

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    Je viens DE FINIR Le miens.
    sur non 456 evo 2 (18 ') Limitée jaune + sektor 140mm + Shimano XT.
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    Just built up today, barely got to ride it with the super bowl and the amount of mud out there today. Cheap/spare parts bike. Swapped out the frame from a 16" RM reaper I was mostly using for jump/pump and riding around with my nephew. Went up to an 18" On one 456 to try out the steel is real thing and get better seat post extension and a little longer top tube. At my size I should be on a 20" easy, but I still wanted to take my nephew to the pump track and wanted to keep a lower top tube and quick handling bike.

    I trail rode the 16" reaper now and then, and pretty often just down at the river for exercise when time was sparse. I bent two cheap seatposts, and would have to put my weight way up on the front to climb anything on a real trail. But it was always a fun ride! This 18" is only slightly larger, but was a much better climber and I was able to stay seated more than I remember being able to on the 16". And it's still tight enough to be really playfull. So far it's great. Even though I probably look stupid being 6"2 and 250 lbs on an 18" frame!!! especially all choppered out with the 6" fork!!!

    I'm going to sell both my dualies and save up for a new 6" ride. So I wanted a better hardtail to ride in the mean time. (since you practically need to take out a 2nd mortgage to buy a new bike these days!!!) As I end up using this as my main bike I figure I can always swap it out for a 20" if the smaller frame takes too much away from the overall ride. But time will tell.

    The only thing is I wish you could pick the color of the stickers. The blue is fine, but I wish it were just black. Also, trippy thing. They were out of the raw 18" at planet X usa. So I purchased the bike from England. Bought it Sunday night around 8-9PM. Got the bike on Tuesday! Crazy Fast shipping!!! And it didn't cost anymore than buying from the US distributor.
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