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    Woah there!

    This is the first time I've ever felt the compulsory need to post in Off Camber, simply out of shock.

    So I'm up late, browsing the Ebays for late night deals, who doesn't love that. But then I come across an auction for a "Heavy Duty Downhill Wheelset." Part of the spec is quoted as "Custom 8' Rotors Front and Rear." Noting his/her error in quoting measurements, I realized that I had to see what these rotors looked like, so cue scrolling through the auction pictures! Lo and behold, what do I find . . .

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    Now, maybe, just maybe, this rider follows the teachings of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, or Odinism, and this symbol has spiritual meaning to them. But if that is not the case . . .

    WHAT KIND OF PERSON CUSTOM CUTS ROTORS WITH A SWASTIKA MOTIF AND RIDES WITH A SYMBOL OF HATE AND OPPRESSION FOR ALL TO SEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    This is simply the worst violation I have ever seen of mountain biking's positive ethos, and therefore I had to share it to help remind myself that what we do is meant to be fun, not meant as a quasi-political statement of hatred.

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    The swastica has been around a lot longer than Hitler. Aviators used the symbol as luck. Native Americans have been using the swastika for a lot longer than that. It dates back to ancient India and Vinca culture in Europe. I do think all the facts need to be known before we jump to conclusions.

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    Or perhaps they were used in the "E" movie 'Mountain Bike Nazis Must Die'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chef7734 View Post
    The swastica has been around a lot longer than Hitler. Aviators used the symbol as luck. Native Americans have been using the swastika for a lot longer than that. It dates back to ancient India and Vinca culture in Europe. I do think all the facts need to be known before we jump to conclusions.
    Though that's undoubtely right EVERYONE associates the swastika with the Nazi regime so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use or display it anywhere at all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexD. View Post
    Though that's undoubtely right EVERYONE associates the swastika with the Nazi regime so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use or display it anywhere at all!
    So you need to tell all the people in India that currently use it as well as some areas in the world that use it on their flag and military vehicles.

    So you are saying this should not be displayed?
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    You are so closed minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef7734 View Post
    So you need to tell all the people in India...

    You are so closed minded.
    Each of your references - those are structure-use of this Symbol. No way around that - it is. Some derp on eBay selling what it is there - it places a burden on any potential buyer.
    BlackGriffen1 is just as 'closed minded' as you - he infers the symbol as still carrying the weight of oppression dating to WWII - and you infer your excessively Liberal attitude applies regardless of true intent.
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    I am far from close minded and not a liberal by any means.I was saying give the benefit of the doubt until the whole story is known. I have lived and served all over the world and seen so much discrimination and jumping to conclusions that I feel we need to give the the person the benefit of doubt and if they prove to be wrong then we address that.

    I agree if it was being used as a hatred symbol then he should be approached or has the right to be criticized. But what if he is from India or some other country or culture that uses and has used the symbol for peaceful purposes.

    When we see someone with a cross around thier neck we dont assume they are Romans persecuting people and Christians, we think of them as Christians. The cross was used a whole lot longer as a means of hate and punishment than the swastika.

    I say find out true intent first instead of jumping to conclusion. Then feel free to chastise, condemn, and punish.

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    BTW my issue is not with the OP but the statement of AlexD. The op said there was a chance that that was not the meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    Each of your references - those are structure-use of this Symbol. No way around that - it is. Some derp on eBay selling what it is there - it places a burden on any potential buyer.
    BlackGriffen1 is just as 'closed minded' as you - he infers the symbol as still carrying the weight of oppression dating to WWII - and you infer your excessively Liberal attitude applies regardless of true intent.
    Thanks buddy!

    It seems to have gone unnoticed that I made note of the cultural significance of the swastika before inferring what I believe to be the original statement made by this person. In context, absolutely the swastika deserves to be displayed. Anyone who sees worthwhile spiritual significance in the symbol has every inalienable right to display it how they see fit. However, it seems far more likely to me that someone chose to do this as a negative statement, as any halfway mature adult in the United States would hopefully realize that such a statement brings more negative attention because of exactly the connotation that survives from the era of National Socialism.

    I have close friends that actively put faith in the belief systems that value the swastika as a cultural symbol, but I know exactly zero people in this age that would choose to use a bicycle as a rolling billboard for their faith, let alone an ancient symbol.

    "Liberal attitude" comment was unnecessary, there's nothing conservative or liberal about what this topic encompasses. There is tact, and the lack thereof.

    Lastly, thanks for the "close-minded" bit, that made my morning!

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    I have a tattoo on my shoulder with Mjolnir (Thor's hammer) in it. It has been a symbol of heritage, strength, and protection for a long long time. I also keep my hair rather short, if not buzzed.

    Several years after i got the tattoo, the local skin heads started using Mjolnir as one of their symbols. Its rather obscure, so its not like im rocking a swasticka tat.... but EVERY bloody white supremacist that sees it assumes i am one of them.

    My meaning and their meaning are not the same. Different or not, i would not have gotten the tattoo if i had known those meat heads were going to adopt the symbol. Claim you are Buddhist all you want with that wheel set, every one who sees the bike will make other assumptions.
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    Perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgriffen_1 View Post
    Thanks buddy!

    It seems to have gone unnoticed that I made note of the cultural significance of the swastika before inferring what I believe to be the original statement made by this person. In context, absolutely the swastika deserves to be displayed. Anyone who sees worthwhile spiritual significance in the symbol has every inalienable right to display it how they see fit. However, it seems far more likely to me that someone chose to do this as a negative statement, as any halfway mature adult in the United States would hopefully realize that such a statement brings more negative attention because of exactly the connotation that survives from the era of National Socialism.

    I have close friends that actively put faith in the belief systems that value the swastika as a cultural symbol, but I know exactly zero people in this age that would choose to use a bicycle as a rolling billboard for their faith, let alone an ancient symbol.

    "Liberal attitude" comment was unnecessary, there's nothing conservative or liberal about what this topic encompasses. There is tact, and the lack thereof.

    Lastly, thanks for the "close-minded" bit, that made my morning!
    Was not calling you close minded and did state you mentioned the other uses first and I agree with you that if the other was the meaning then WTF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef7734 View Post
    Was not calling you close minded and did state you mentioned the other uses first and I agree with you that if the other was the meaning then WTF.
    Oh Jeez, I missed the post wherein you clarified the philosophical beef because I was typing a counterpoint, that's my bad!

    The original point was to highlight both sides and shine a spotlight on the "WTF" aspect, I think we're there now. What BigRingGrinder noted about his tattoo was essentially what came to mind for me when I saw those rotors.

    Not sure if that wheelset sold or not . . .

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    Does this compare to the swinging mudflap with a shiny image of a naked girl spread eagle hanging from the back of my bike's saddle?

    Or the swinging "ball sack" that is hanging from the bottom bracket of my bike?
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    Snatch them up, start the "Skinheads for cultural sensitivity" cycling team.
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    Nothing overtly offensive about the mudflap or ball sack, but I wouldn't consider either to enhance my personal cycling experience; maybe your bike needs something more than mine when it goes out and gets dirty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Does this compare to the swinging mudflap with a shiny image of a naked girl spread eagle hanging from the back of my bike's saddle?

    Or the swinging "ball sack" that is hanging from the bottom bracket of my bike?

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    Woah there!

    He said he'd include his white hood/robe, torch and lynch'n rope if you used buy it now.
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    People are entitled to display what they like, if somebody decides the world of white supremacy is the path they want to follow they are well within their right to do so, in fact theres no difference between that and many religions in our countries atm, some religions think that anybody that doesnt follow their faith is an infidel and should be put to the sword, yet these religions are allowed to flurish in our societies..
    So whats the difference ?
    Nazi symbols and white supremacy is not for me, but i see no difference to that and many religions, all as bad as each other..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Perception.
    Plus the critical thinking skills to make reasonable distinctions.
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    Wait a second ... what is this "positive ethos" we mountain bikers supposedly have? I hope I haven't been violating it all along.

    I didn't sign up to comply with any ethos requirements or anything when I bought a mountain bike ... I'm just here because I want to ride my bike!
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    Hey, OP. Whatever happens to this thread, I think it's a pretty good first OC post. Please start more new threads in the OC if you stumble across something similarly interesting, even if this thread goes train wreck.
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    The rotors are mounted backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef7734 View Post
    So you need to tell all the people in India that currently use it as well as some areas in the world that use it on their flag and military vehicles.

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    You are so closed minded.
    Yes you are right that the swastica is used in many cultures but you still can tell the difference by the nazis swastica is turned 45 degrees.
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    Re: Woah there!

    Yes the Nazi swastika was turned 45 degrees but the wheels rotate so no way to tell unless you know the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deke505 View Post
    Yes you are right that the swastica is used in many cultures but you still can tell the difference by the nazis swastica is turned 45 degrees.
    I was going to make a note about this, but as Chef pointed out, it's definitely impossible to tell. Inference only gets us so far.

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