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    Signing up for the army tomorrow, any advices ?

    Hey, I decided I want to be an ammunition tech or worst case gunsmith in the army (Canadian Forces). Always more exciting than electrician or elevator mech.

    Only one thing is me and the army aren't always on the same page. I love guns and blowing up stuff, but I hate wars and killing, even just acts of violence. I really, really enjoy shooting, but I won't shoot anything except paper targets at the range. I don't hunt nor I own any firearms, and I surely won't carry. I don't want to be on the battlefield, and I won't shoot at anybody.

    I know signing up for the army is first before all signing up to be a soldier, and I'm okay with this part as I will most likely never have to put this training to real use, and I'm good to deal with it. I know being an amo tech also involves to deliver the goodies on the field, but usually it's not the front line/combat zone, more the artillery guys.

    It's very well paid ($50 000 after training and $100 000 after a few years) and I'm confident that I have what it takes to get the job done and also enjoy the work. Downside is you're not going back home every day after work, so you have to get used to living in a military environment, but so far I've been adapting fairly easy to these kinds of life styles.

    I also have a big tendency to get in troubles with girls, so I hope that getting my ass kicked at the military drill and the intensive technical training is gonna keep me away from them wimmenz and not getting lucky too much for a while.

    What's you guys (and gals) think of all this ? Anyone here in the army in the same field of work as I'm looking for ? Please note I'm enrolling in the Canadian army, not US.

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    Canadian Army pays 50 to 100k ?

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    Signing up for the army tomorrow, any advices ?

    Basic infantry soldier is $30k when you start, but in my case once you complete the technician or gunsmith training (which is about a year or two total), you then get $50k base salary working these jobs, but still have the $30k+ salary anyway during the training years. Then gunsmith is up to $75k and amo tech $100k, then add bonus of all sorts for experience years, additional training, over-sea deployment, etc.

    Then I get to build myself a nice big house and buy a few good bikes and enjoy 20 days of vacation per year (25 and up after 5 years). I think it's a pretty good deal so far.
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    Signing up for the army tomorrow, any advices ?

    Don't believe everything the recruiter tells you. Take everything with a grain of salt. The more money he talks about, the bigger that grain of salt should be.
    It's his job to glamorize things, make it look lucrative.
    If you can, talk to some active soldiers before signing up.

    If you follow through with it, good luck and God Bless!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    Don't believe everything the recruiter tells you. Take everything with a grain of salt. The more money he talks about, the bigger that grain of salt should be.
    It's his job to glamorize things, make it look lucrative.
    If you can, talk to some active soldiers before signing up.

    If you follow through with it, good luck and God Bless!!!!


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    Make sure you have a signed contract for that training and job assignment.

    My son-in-law's father retired from the RCAF. Made a decent living, got to see the world, and seems to have a real nice life now, not exactly hurting for money from what I can tell at 1000 miles away.
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    Re: Signing up for the army tomorrow, any advices ?

    Like others said... Get everything in writing! Also remember every soldier is an infantryman first so if it hits the fan you will have no choice but to fire your weapon at the enemy. Buddy of mine was an HVAC tech but ended up in a humvee turret his entire first tour in Iraq. If Canada is anything like US Army... They put you where they need you. Good luck.

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    my brother was normal before he joined the army, 10 years later he's a f'head with post traumatic stress syndrome, not depression they are different...
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    I don't think you should be basing your decision to take a job based on salary alone.
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    Definitely don't base your decision on salary. My first enlistment in the (US) Army was based on a cash bonus. I could have had any job in the Army but I chose artillery. Now I can't hear to save my life. I was smart enough to reclass to a more marketable job when I re-upped, but some aren't or can't.

    Along those same lines, what are job prospects in that line of work as a civilian? I came to a point where I HAD to get out after 9 years, and not stay in for 20 like I wanted to. Like I said, I had a marketable job skill (nursing), so it wasn't hard for me to get a civilian job. Will it be that easy for you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    What's you guys (and gals) think of all this ? Anyone here in the army in the same field of work as I'm looking for ? Please note I'm enrolling in the Canadian army, not US.

    Thanks
    Joining the military is the last decision you'll ever make...you'll be told what to wear, what to eat, where to live, who you can marry, who you're friends will be...even the smallest detail will be driven by "The Book". Like becoming a priest, you'll live by "The Rules". Keep in mind that most of The Rules are unwritten.

    As a Canadian vet...RCE, back in the day, you need to revisit that salary grid...you'd be making more than your Lt. Colonel at $100K. Your RSM tops out at a little more. I live a few miles from Base Borden and Meaford...most of the married new recruits are on welfare and visit the food banks. And Harper just reduced the danger pay and killed most of the benefits for wounded vets. Don't believe what the recruiter tells you...that's how they got me.

    Also, under Harper, you're no more than cannon fodder. Back in my day, being a Peacekeeper in places like Cyprus was as bad as it got...under Harper you're considered a Peacemaker, a very different concept, especially in Afghanistan or Syria. Remember, where NATO goes, you go.

    An armorer is a good job, I'd prefer the quartermaster or supply regiments, but it's stable but very hard to get into. If you're thinking of enlisting, try joining the reserve then transfer to full time if you like it. Be prepared...most of the officers are idiots, the NCO's are sadists and high school dropouts. Consider RMC?

    Lastly, be prepared to relocate with little notice...most posting last only a few years...

    The only thing I learned in the RCE is that it's more fun blowing up a bridge than building one.

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    I'm not looking at the army as the "army", but more as a tech job. If it doesn't turn out the way I like, I'll just go do something else. I know you're usually engaging for a minimal period of X years and if they decide to send you to war, you don't have the choice (well you always have the choice, but the options aren't very fun either way).

    I was looking at many job and career and on my list I had gunsmith, electrician and elevator mechanic, and a few other ones in the same fashion. Like I said before, I always loved guns and blowing up random stuff, and if it wasn't for the fact I am against all form of violence (except video games, coz it's a game, not the real world), I'd be trying to get in the local SWAT team already. With a career adviser, we've checked out many programs, like gunsmith (which I would love even more than bike mechanics), but also the job opportunities and yes, salary. I want a job with minimal $60k income, not having to manage a team or make stressful decisions, actually nothing to build up stress to an extend, which has manual work and involve no sitting in front of a computer, no work to bring back home, not have to worry about tomorrow and with a quick and easy (for me) schooling.

    I would do great with electrician, good income and no sweat, same as mechanic, but these aren't as exciting as guns and amo. Plus gunsmith course are only given at one school a few hours away, so I'd have to move there, and then you wont get much more than $20/h, unless you're some kind of gun guru and open your own awesome shop (which I won't). Then I also checked out the offering for such jobs in the army and saw Weapons Technician (FORCES.CA - Weapons Technician - Land) and Ammunition Technician (FORCES.CA - Ammunition Technician), which both are quite the kind of job I would love to do (I don't mind working hard if I'm having fun, mountain biking is the same). I haven't been approach by a recruiter, and I am gathering as much info as I can first before accepting the job offer. When I say "signing up", it's because I first have to do the basic army enrolling request, to see if I can even go in the army, which takes a few months. Meanwhile I will keep getting to know more and more about this kind of job and until I receive a job employment letter from them and accept it, I'm not taking any engagement. I am aware of all the little fine-prints and I have good people and family around me to guide me trough these kind of decisions.

    On a side-note, yesterday I also signed up for Electricity course, so I'm keeping a few doors open. I already also have a graphic designer degree and I can always work as a bike mechanic for the rest of my days in worst case haha.
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    I saw that already. Easy maths shows 33.6k first year, 41.1k second year, and 49.4k third year, which is the base salary for first year gun or amo tech (because you have over 2 years of training for both). And that's Private rank. But as long as I'm getting paid and having fun, $40-50k give or take isn't much of a deal for me. Thanks anyway
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    My dad (US Army during WW II) always said the most important thing to know when in the military is to never ever volunteer for anything.

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    As an army brat, I could never understand anyone's desire to join the forces, but I guess I just hate being institutionalised. Each to their own, but I value some autonomy in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I'm not looking at the army as the "army", but more as a tech job. If it doesn't turn out the way I like, I'll just go do something else. I know you're usually engaging for a minimal period of X years and if they decide to send you to war, you don't have the choice (well you always have the choice, but the options aren't very fun either way).
    One of my favorite quotes "You can lie to whoever you want, but never lie to yourself."

    I think you'd be better served by a few years of real life, before you spoil your pacifist outlook by seeing people blown to bits in the desert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I'm not looking at the army as the "army", but more as a tech job.
    If you want a tech job, get a tech job. If you are good, you will earn more.

    If you want an extended childhood and lack of responsibilities - go study some natural sciences in college, and then get a tech job. Six years doing Ph.D. is better than six years in the army. Not by much, but still. I enjoyed it.

    We can't find enough good engineers around here, and pay is good. Even quality assurance monk...^H^H entry level techs easily get double the numbers you quoted.

    Go to the army if you want to go to the army. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever, but it is not something else. Of course my only limited experience was with the Soviet army, so I am biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    As an army brat, I could never understand anyone's desire to join the forces, but I guess I just hate being institutionalised. Each to their own, but I value some autonomy in my life.
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    One of my favorite quotes "You can lie to whoever you want, but never lie to yourself."

    I think you'd be better served by a few years of real life, before you spoil your pacifist outlook by seeing people blown to bits in the desert.

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    If you want a tech job, get a tech job. If you are good, you will earn more.

    We can't find enough good engineers around here, and pay is good. Even quality assurance monk...^H^H entry level techs easily get double the numbers you quoted.

    Go to the army if you want to go to the army. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever, but it is not something else. Of course my only limited experience was with the Soviet army, so I am biased.
    I'm not for the "war" either. And I don't want to be an engineer either. And I don't wish to go to combat. I'll make sure that the job they offer me won't involve anything I'm against with, like actually firing on people outside my country. But if we ever get invade here, I won't have any problem firing back, because I'd rather do so than hide in a basement while strangers are trying to invade my own house. If they can't offer me the job I want, I'll go somewhere else. But if it turns out the way I like, that's good all good.

    I just completed the first entry form, so I still have many steps to go before even being sure I can get a job there. And I think I could use some more discipline for a few months in my life at the drill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    like actually firing on people outside my country.
    I thought that's the fun part.

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    And I think I could use some more discipline for a few months in my life at the drill.
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    I would consider another means of making an income. From what I've read in this thread, it doesn't seem like you should take it up for a tech position.

    I'd recommend continuing your education instead. Don't be in a rush to get 'disciplined'
    It's all indoctrination one way or another, may as well kick back and study hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    And I don't wish to go to combat.
    Then don't enter the military. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I'll make sure that the job they offer me won't involve anything I'm against with, like actually firing on people outside my country.
    I refer you again to my favorite quote above, and other posts pointing out that recruiters are lying sacks of shit, and wish you well in whatever you decide.
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    Don't do it, its the absolute WORST thing one could do with their life. Besides, you will just wind up working for the banks and killing innocent people anyways. Pick a respectable career instead.

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    The best advice about the military I've heard is don't join the military for any reason other than you want to serve your country. I don't get the impression you fit that description from what you've written. I wonder what kind of living you could make in career coaching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I'm not looking at the army as the "army", but more as a tech job. If it doesn't turn out the way I like, I'll just go do something else. I know you're usually engaging for a minimal period of X years and if they decide to send you to war, you don't have the choice (well you always have the choice, but the options aren't very fun either way).

    I was looking at many job and career and on my list I had gunsmith, electrician and elevator mechanic, and a few other ones in the same fashion. Like I said before, I always loved guns and blowing up random stuff, and if it wasn't for the fact I am against all form of violence (except video games, coz it's a game, not the real world), I'd be trying to get in the local SWAT team already. With a career adviser, we've checked out many programs, like gunsmith (which I would love even more than bike mechanics), but also the job opportunities and yes, salary. I want a job with minimal $60k income, not having to manage a team or make stressful decisions, actually nothing to build up stress to an extend, which has manual work and involve no sitting in front of a computer, no work to bring back home, not have to worry about tomorrow and with a quick and easy (for me) schooling.

    I would do great with electrician, good income and no sweat, same as mechanic, but these aren't as exciting as guns and amo. Plus gunsmith course are only given at one school a few hours away, so I'd have to move there, and then you wont get much more than $20/h, unless you're some kind of gun guru and open your own awesome shop (which I won't). Then I also checked out the offering for such jobs in the army and saw Weapons Technician (FORCES.CA - Weapons Technician - Land) and Ammunition Technician (FORCES.CA - Ammunition Technician), which both are quite the kind of job I would love to do (I don't mind working hard if I'm having fun, mountain biking is the same). I haven't been approach by a recruiter, and I am gathering as much info as I can first before accepting the job offer. When I say "signing up", it's because I first have to do the basic army enrolling request, to see if I can even go in the army, which takes a few months. Meanwhile I will keep getting to know more and more about this kind of job and until I receive a job employment letter from them and accept it, I'm not taking any engagement. I am aware of all the little fine-prints and I have good people and family around me to guide me trough these kind of decisions.

    On a side-note, yesterday I also signed up for Electricity course, so I'm keeping a few doors open. I already also have a graphic designer degree and I can always work as a bike mechanic for the rest of my days in worst case haha.
    You sound very naive...you understand that by enlisting you sell your soul for 5 years. There is no getting out, a dishonourable discharge curses you for life.

    As to the pay, there is no automatic promotion based on time served...you become eligible for promotion but there's no guarantee. I've known Privates that have remained 1'st class for the entire 5 years. You need to show maturity and leadership skills to move up the food chain, yet you park your brain...no independent thoughts allowed.

    Work hours are not 9-5...you're on call 24/7, especially in the early years. You'll love those night training exercises and the homework from those courses you take.

    Just because a job is posted, there's no guarantee that you'll qualify...for every posting there's 100's of applicants.

    someone is really screwing with your head regarding the military...it's not a job, it's a vocation. There's no democracy, no business casual, you have no right to speak or express an opinion, even in the higher ranks. You do what you're told, period. You seem to think like an officer, not a junior trainee. It takes years, usually into the second or third enlistment period to get to an upper NCO rank where you get the kind of money you want. But you need to supervise and take orders at the same time.

    What part of being a member in a well defined, rigid reporting structure that you don't understand? Once you join, you're not allowed to think.

    The rest of your post tells me that you are not suited for the military...really, I wouldn't hire you for any position that requires maturity and responsibility. When I was in corporate, I ran into a group of what they call Millennials and Y-gens (even e-gens)...people that thought they should be CEO's yet couldn't stay focused for 10 minutes...sounds a bit like what you're wanting as stated in your last post.

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    Lol. I'm actually enjoying reading all the very positive and optimist answers that keep piling up with every new post xD

    Only thing I'll say is : yes I would love to serve my country. However I don't see how I can serve my country by going killing people on another continent. But if anyone was to attack me, I'd stand up to defend my family and my people, no questions asked. To go in another country and start shooting people isn't what I consider "serving my country", but serving some personal interests of *******s. This is why I'm not always on the same page with the army. Let's say I'm more of National Guard than Marine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    However I don't see how I can serve my country by going killing people on another continent.
    If you do not see that, army is not for you. Seriously. Even if you work as a tech, fixing some stuff, the net result and the ultimate goal is killing people, hopefully on another continent (we do not need any Canadian invasion down here).

    To serve the country without killing people - you can study to be a nurse or something.

    Or maybe it is the other way around. Maybe you actually wish to pop a cap in some Taliban ass, and just do not want to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    If you do not see that, army is not for you. Seriously. Even if you work as a tech, fixing some stuff, the net result and the ultimate goal is killing people, hopefully on another continent (we do not need any Canadian invasion down here).

    To serve the country without killing people - you can study to be a nurse or something.
    Well considering you can as far as saying the taxes you paid to your government by choosing to be a citizen of such country also serve at financing the army and operations to go kill people in other countries... So if I'm not the one packing the ammunitions for the troops, it's gonna be someone else anyway. If I enjoy doing so, what's wrong with it then ? It's like saying you don't want to support worker's exploitation like these working in Taiwan underpaid to build and manufacture your awesome bike parts and wheels, but still you buy from SRAM, Novatec, Enve, American Classic, etc.

    At some point you have to let go and just do what drives you. I love guns even more than bikes. I don't like shooting people outside my country. I'm looking to be a gun or amo tech for the army, to supply and repairs stuff used for everything from killing people in and out of the country. I'm not the one to go kill, the guns don't kill either. People kill other people, and they can do it bare hands, they don't even need a gun. Would it be worst to be a gun tech in the army or gunsmith who's most clients are buying guns for their own protection or for something more violent than just shooting paper targets...

    What I was looking for here was some insight from people who are actually or were in the army, have good knowledge of the job I'm looking for and can give me advices on what I should look-out for and what is the best way to go to get where I want. I never asked for reasons NOT TO sign in, I asked for advices as to what it's like at the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    Lol. I'm actually enjoying reading all the very positive and optimist answers that keep piling up with every new post xD

    Only thing I'll say is : yes I would love to serve my country. However I don't see how I can serve my country by going killing people on another continent. But if anyone was to attack me, I'd stand up to defend my family and my people, no questions asked. To go in another country and start shooting people isn't what I consider "serving my country", but serving some personal interests of *******s. This is why I'm not always on the same page with the army. Let's say I'm more of National Guard than Marine.
    In America, all of their National Guard units were deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. In Canada, the reserve is on call and some regiments have served in Afghanistan, Serbia, Croatia, and Somalia.

    You need to examine your motives of why you're thinking of enlisting. Methinks that you can't compete in the job market, are afraid of failure, and need to take an easy way out. Do yourself a favour, join the clergy, most corporate failures enrol in the DD program at UofT, then find a safe congregation where they never have to worry about failure or competition. Better still if you're a Catholic...you may make Bishop or Cardinal, but that requires leadership and the ability to follow rules as well.

    Based on your posts, you seem to fit the job profile of a teacher, but I suspect that you couldn't control a class or lead a group of kids. Perhaps accounting may be a better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    Well considering you can as far as saying the taxes you paid to your government by choosing to be a citizen of such country also serve at financing the army and operations to go kill people in other countries..
    Yes, they do. And taxpayers vote in politicians who make those decisions. I have no problem with that. I have problems with my money being wasted on fat "progressive" bureaucrats around here. The only problem with killing people abroad is that it is very expensive and does not achieve anything.

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    Well considering you can as far as saying the taxes you paid to your government by choosing to be a citizen of such country also serve at financing the army and operations to go kill people in other countries... So if I'm not the one packing the ammunitions for the troops, it's gonna be someone else anyway. If I enjoy doing so, what's wrong with it then ? It's like saying you don't want to support worker's exploitation like these working in Taiwan underpaid to build and manufacture your awesome bike parts and wheels, but still you buy from SRAM, Novatec, Enve, American Classic, etc.

    At some point you have to let go and just do what drives you. I love guns even more than bikes. I don't like shooting people outside my country. I'm looking to be a gun or amo tech for the army, to supply and repairs stuff used for everything from killing people in and out of the country. I'm not the one to go kill, the guns don't kill either. People kill other people, and they can do it bare hands, they don't even need a gun. Would it be worst to be a gun tech in the army or gunsmith who's most clients are buying guns for their own protection or for something more violent than just shooting paper targets...

    What I was looking for here was some insight from people who are actually or were in the army, have good knowledge of the job I'm looking for and can give me advices on what I should look-out for and what is the best way to go to get where I want. I never asked for reasons NOT TO sign in, I asked for advices as to what it's like at the job.

    The military are civil servants, parasites on the butt of a nation's taxpayers. They produce nothing, contribute nothing, produce nothing of value, suck up the wealth of others, and like all servants, obey their masters' orders.

    You seem to have his fixation on guns and killing...wearing a uniform and not making decisions with total job security, essentially being a hamster.

    Ever consider law enforcement?

    Like I said earlier, I'm a vet...Royal Canadian Engineers, and I wouldn't trust you in my platoon.

    That help?

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    You sound very naive...you understand that by enlisting you sell your soul for 5 years. There is no getting out, a dishonourable discharge curses you for life.

    As to the pay, there is no automatic promotion based on time served...you become eligible for promotion but there's no guarantee. I've known Privates that have remained 1'st class for the entire 5 years. You need to show maturity and leadership skills to move up the food chain, yet you park your brain...no independent thoughts allowed.

    Work hours are not 9-5...you're on call 24/7, especially in the early years. You'll love those night training exercises and the homework from those courses you take.

    Just because a job is posted, there's no guarantee that you'll qualify...for every posting there's 100's of applicants.

    someone is really screwing with your head regarding the military...it's not a job, it's a vocation. There's no democracy, no business casual, you have no right to speak or express an opinion, even in the higher ranks. You do what you're told, period. You seem to think like an officer, not a junior trainee. It takes years, usually into the second or third enlistment period to get to an upper NCO rank where you get the kind of money you want. But you need to supervise and take orders at the same time.

    What part of being a member in a well defined, rigid reporting structure that you don't understand? Once you join, you're not allowed to think.

    The rest of your post tells me that you are not suited for the military...really, I wouldn't hire you for any position that requires maturity and responsibility. When I was in corporate, I ran into a group of what they call Millennials and Y-gens (even e-gens)...people that thought they should be CEO's yet couldn't stay focused for 10 minutes...sounds a bit like what you're wanting as stated in your last post.
    Very well said....

    OP- Your idea of what the military is very much skewed. I am firmly convinced that you will not receive any of those demands for a position. Not to mention you lack of willingness. You will go and do what you’re told, period, no questions asked. If those simple tasks are against not doable for you, you will not make it one second in any countries military. The reason for joining any military is first and foremost to serve & defend your country. It should have nothing to do with money or personal liberties. "Serving" your country is a selfless act which is just that "serving". You lose your independence once you join in order to be a part of a functioning team. Individualism on a team never works, and that's common knowledge.

    I served for 9 years in the US Air Force. My duty title was Communications Cable Systems. I joined under the guise that I was just going to be a comm guy installing comm gear and cabling.. Well, they quickly changed my specialty code to "Combat Communications Cable Systems". That in turn gave me three wonderful deployments to war. I was riding convoy from Kuwait to Baghdad installing and maintaining communications equipment along the way at US and NATO (Canadian) positions every two weeks, up and back.. Did this both tours to Iraq and once in Afghanistan. Did I enjoy it? Hell yeah I did. It was an honor to serve my great country.

    So,.. I would recommend you look for a different path in life. I don't think you would cut it in the military. No offence... just sayin.
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    i wouldn't. you seem to be against most things the military does and you have the option of being an electrician. why wouldn't you do that?

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    Most of the points I would make have already been stated so I won't repeat them. I'll just say that when I first read the original post I thought you sounded very casual and a bit naive in your thinking about joining the military. In fact it sounded a bit trollish, not that I think you are trolling but your post is so full of contradictions it does seem like you could be trying to elicit reactions.

    The title of this thread is Signing up for the Army Tomorrow... Well it's now tomorrow, so have you signed up? My money is on "no".

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    I was in the reserves when I was younger and the one thing they said if you don't think you could pull the trigger this isn't for you. Only sign up if you want to serve your country, you can become a tech a lot of other places.
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    Seems like you have already made up your mind and taken the plunge yes? I hope if that is the case, you take some of what has been said here to heart and try and get thru this in a good way... let us know how you get on! I hope it is not something you live to regret, but I fear the worst. Just try not to kill anyone unnecessarily OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwbikur View Post
    The title of this thread is Signing up for the Army Tomorrow... Well it's now tomorrow, so have you signed up? My money is on "no".
    You lost. Form was sent by 1:30pm. Gimme my money

    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Seems like you have already made up your mind and taken the plunge yes? I hope if that is the case, you take some of what has been said here to heart and try and get thru this in a good way... let us know how you get on! I hope it is not something you live to regret, but I fear the worst. Just try not to kill anyone unnecessarily OK?
    Yup. I'm optimist in life, and I won't let other's opinion shoot me down as long as I'm having fun. I mean, before I even get to be in the army, I got a few months and 5-6 other forms, exams, interviews and such ahead of me, then before I even get to be a soldier I have months of training to do, etc. And I'm not taking any engagement before next year anyway, so I have time to check everything out in depth and all around. And I'd probably not even shoot at the guy, I'd aim aside and let someone else do the job, unless I don't have the choice to. But I can guarantee I'll make sure this won't ever happen.

    And playing with guns and stuff is way more exciting than installing junction boxes, just sayin'
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    Don't take offense to this but you're young. I expect that you will contradict yourself and do other things that your age in life will do that I can only sit back in my chair and order a drink.

    Do what you feel is right. Don't join for anyone or anything but yourself because that is what you're going to sacrifice.

    There's one point that hasn't been mentioned yet and there's everybody from Vets to PETA members in on this thread. Part of growing up is realizing that there are things you need to do to grow up. Discipline is one of them. The Army is a place to learn it. Do me a favor and remember some things that have been said here and I'll mention a couple as well.

    1. Do as your told even if it sounds retarded. Remember that junior ranks are a direct reflection of leadership lol. When asked who told you to do the retarded task. Run the retard under the bus; check?

    2. Find a natural leader and stick to him/her if you can. Consider them a mentor and you will pick up a lot of the ways of the Army.

    3. Remember that you are under the "needs of the force" even if you're a cook. They understand you have desires but they have needs.....guess which comes first.

    4. Ask your leaders questions when you get the chance. A good one will answer as long as you don't bark too far up the food chain. Even if it is he/she will probably answer but you're going to catch flak from your intermediate leaders.

    5. Remember the good and the bad leaders you have. Both will come in handy when you are in a leadership position.

    6. If you are out of your depth admit it and ask for advice from a good leader. They will guide you. This is one of the key points of leadership namely HUMILITY.

    7. Don't be a dirtbag. Your reputation will eventually precede you when you gain a few ranks.

    8. Don't ****ing gossip. You'd be amazed how that that screws everything up.

    9. Remember to keep an open mind and listen to your eventual troops. Some of the best ideas come from the bottom. You will find all walks of life in the Army. Gain knowledge. Never met a service member that wouldn't share stores from back on the block.

    10. When you stop having fun. It's time to move on.

    Just one more thing to add. Joining the military was one of the best decisions I ever made. I had a LOT of bad habits, attitude, and didn't know what I believed in or what I stood for. I've grown up, matured, had a blast, gained true lifetime friends in every corner of the country, been married 8 years with a kid on the way (looks like a girl so the razor wire will be installed), seen the world with all its horrors and wonders, and done things I never thought I could possibly do both physically, mentally, and morally.

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    Don't take offense to this but you're young. I expect that you will contradict yourself and do other things that your age in life will do that I can only sit back in my chair and order a drink.

    Do what you feel is right. Don't join for anyone or anything but yourself because that is what you're going to sacrifice.

    There's one point that hasn't been mentioned yet and there's everybody from Vets to PETA members in on this thread. Part of growing up is realizing that there are things you need to do to grow up. Discipline is one of them. The Army is a place to learn it. Do me a favor and remember some things that have been said here and I'll mention a couple as well.

    1. Do as your told even if it sounds retarded. Remember that junior ranks are a direct reflection of leadership lol. When asked who told you to do the retarded task. Run the retard under the bus; check?

    2. Find a natural leader and stick to him/her if you can. Consider them a mentor and you will pick up a lot of the ways of the Army.

    3. Remember that you are under the "needs of the force" even if you're a cook. They understand you have desires but they have needs.....guess which comes first.

    4. Ask your leaders questions when you get the chance. A good one will answer as long as you don't bark too far up the food chain. Even if it is he/she will probably answer but you're going to catch flak from your intermediate leaders.

    5. Remember the good and the bad leaders you have. Both will come in handy when you are in a leadership position.

    6. If you are out of your depth admit it and ask for advice from a good leader. They will guide you. This is one of the key points of leadership namely HUMILITY.

    7. Don't be a dirtbag. Your reputation will eventually precede you when you gain a few ranks.

    8. Don't ****ing gossip. You'd be amazed how that that screws everything up.

    9. Remember to keep an open mind and listen to your eventual troops. Some of the best ideas come from the bottom. You will find all walks of life in the Army. Gain knowledge. Never met a service member that wouldn't share stores from back on the block.

    10. When you stop having fun. It's time to move on.

    Just one more thing to add. Joining the military was one of the best decisions I ever made. I had a LOT of bad habits, attitude, and didn't know what I believed in or what I stood for. I've grown up, matured, had a blast, gained true lifetime friends in every corner of the country, been married 8 years with a kid on the way (looks like a girl so the razor wire will be installed), seen the world with horrors and wonders, and done things I never thought I could possibly do both physically, mentally, and morally.

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    You are making a huge commitment. Remember that there will be times when it sucks. When that happens, just keep your head up and follow your orders like a good soldier.
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    Hoohah.
    It goes ooh-rah BTW lol....or errrr when things suck like brewtality said.

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    Thanks Krypto, that's the kind of things I was expecting, more constructive than just shooting me down.

    I do realize you can't argue with your superior and even if you find his idea or order even worst than what you could imagine, you have do to so anyway and then it's his (or her) responsibility if shit blows back. I have no problem with that, because it's the job, and it's like pretty much any other job, you got to do what your boss says, even if it's dumb, that's what you get paid for lol.

    I think I'd put #10 first. That's what I've been doing pretty much all my life and so far I'm still alive and having fun.

    First thing you said is right, I'll be 21 in a few months and I'm still learning everyday, trying out stuff, failing every now and then at different attempts to have more fun in life, realizing some things weren't like I thought they were and just keeping my head up and taking it on the good side.

    Thank you sir.
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    They're not in any kind of order. I was just spilling some of the stuff I have learned along the way.

    That getting out when it stops being fun was told to me by a master guns (E-9) a while back and it has served me well.

    No matter how well you train, listen, or ask questions boot camp is going to be a bit of a shell shock. After a while it starts to get fun though.

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    I'm pretty good with that, I love to learn and even more from others, not just from books and videos.

    Boot camp should be fun though. Nothing better than roughing it up to get it rolling
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
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    Well OK, you did it and I wish you the best.

    I'm not taking any engagement before next year anyway, so I have time to check everything out in depth and all around. And I'd probably not even shoot at the guy, I'd aim aside and let someone else do the job, unless I don't have the choice to. But I can guarantee I'll make sure this won't ever happen.
    Ugh, this just worries me so much. Your attitude seems so out of touch with the realities of going to war. Your flip attitude towards shooting the enemy indicates a serious out of touch attitude towards a potential reality that you may face someday. And you could get your buddy killed at the same time.

    And playing with guns and stuff is way more exciting than installing junction boxes, just sayin'
    Again this attitude really worries me. My comments are the same as above for this one.

    Honestly I wish you the best. I hope you do OK in this endeavor. I really hope I don't see you on CNN in a couple of years.
    Seriously, if you get shipped overseas stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    And I'd probably not even shoot at the guy, I'd aim aside and let someone else do the job.
    Not sure about Canadian army, but where I came from somebody would have been pretty thoroughly f.cked up by his fellow soldiers for a stunt like that.

    Even having such a thought is all shades of wrong in my book.

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    Well OK, you did it and I wish you the best.



    Ugh, this just worries me so much. Your attitude seems so out of touch with the realities of going to war. Your flip attitude towards shooting the enemy indicates a serious out of touch attitude towards a potential reality that you may face someday. And you could get your buddy killed at the same time.



    Again this attitude really worries me. My comments are the same as above for this one.

    Honestly I wish you the best. I hope you do OK in this endeavor. I really hope I don't see you on CNN in a couple of years.
    Seriously, if you get shipped overseas stay safe.
    The op is a good guy and he's got purpose in his decision. However he isn't going to be sure on a lot of things. The decision to take someone's life is almost easy compared to deciding if you have the ability to do so. There's no test and its kind of a pass fail thing. The op will discover a lot of things and the best part is after he is done he will be an educated individual in lots of areas commonly not found in the general population.

    Best of luck to you. Keep your head and you will have the best chance you can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptoroxx View Post
    The op is a good guy and he's got purpose in his decision. However he isn't going to be sure on a lot of things. The decision to take someone's life is almost easy compared to deciding if you have the ability to do so. There's no test and its kind of a pass fail thing. The op will discover a lot of things and the best part is after he is done he will be an educated individual in lots of areas commonly not found in the general population.

    Best of luck to you. Keep your head and you will have the best chance you can get.

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    You've given some good advice on this, I hope the OP listens.

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    Whatever it is you decide - if you find yourself fulfilling your obligation to your Country, stay off of internet forums. Don't initiate open-ended conversations like you did here, especially if you refer to yourself as collecting Government Pay, which is majority Taxpayer Dollars.

    Not to say you can't be supportive via the Internet as an individual; having time to maintain an image of serving your country and serving others & also freefalling on the 'net makes an impression of too much idle-time, introduces oversight in a very negative manner.

    Good Luck w/ your schooling, and good luck with filling a slot in the Armed Forces. Meet and exceed every goal you set for yourself!
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    WTF kind of military do the Canucks run? From the posts here all I can figure is that the Boy Scouts would be a bigger group of well disciplined badasses with a greater moral sense of duty.
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    I'm not sure if the Canadian military is different, or you don't understand what the military's purpose is, but if you refuse to take up arms against others, you really should think about doing something else.
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    WTF kind of military do the Canucks run? From the posts here all I can figure is that the Boy Scouts would be a bigger group of well disciplined badasses with a greater moral sense of duty.
    OP, what you are describing about yourself is referred to as a Conscientious Objector.


    I'm not sure if the Canadian military is different, or you don't understand what the military's purpose is, but if you refuse to take up arms against others, you really should think about doing something else.
    The quality of any army is shown by its leadership and more recently the political atmosphere surrounding it.

    I haven't personally worked with the canuks but I have several tomes worked with the Aussies and the Brits. Sadly the politicians control wars now rather than generals. It ends up costing more lives the more "humane" we try to make it.

    He hasn't made it clear whether he would or not actually kill. That's one of his contradictions he made earlier. That tells me that he is still developing that part of his ethic/moral compass.

    There's a big difference between someone who hasn't seen the bad side of people and hasn't seen the world's injustices and says they aren't sure and someone who has. The news doesn't count either. That's a screen of electrodes and much different than seeing with your own eyes.

    However you are correct on the definition and the op would do well to remember this before he signs the contract.

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    WTF kind of military do the Canucks run? From the posts here all I can figure is that the Boy Scouts would be a bigger group of well disciplined badasses with a greater moral sense of duty.
    OP, what you are describing about yourself is referred to as a Conscientious Objector.


    I'm not sure if the Canadian military is different, or you don't understand what the military's purpose is, but if you refuse to take up arms against others, you really should think about doing something else.
    I agree...he should look into a provincial apprenticeship program and learn a trade. Pays better anyway.

    His post about shooting to miss continues to bother me...if he was in my unit and did that in a real war I would put a bullet in his head, especially if his cowardice resulted in other members getting injured. Luckily, Canada won't be in a shooting war anytime soon.

    But you're right, the Canadian military has been betrayed by our politicians...their equipment is obsolete, our subs are in dry-dock, the Sea King helicopters from the 50's are held together by duck tape (really), and our wounded vets are denied all benefits. Process started with unification in the 60's and just kept getting worse. We're at the point where we needed to hitch rides to get our troops to Afghanistan and their equipment is still their, stored in 100's of containers because we don't have the resources to get it back here.

    A friend of mine went through RMC, got his commission, and left after the required 5 years service. He keeps his commission, signed by the Chief of Staff, Defence Minister, and Governor General propped up behind his toilet bowl to keep the wall clean from and misses. Good place, a military commission is effectively a licence to kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    Hey, I decided I want to be an ammunition tech or worst case gunsmith in the army (Canadian Forces). Always more exciting than electrician or elevator mech.

    Only one thing is me and the army aren't always on the same page. I love guns and blowing up stuff, but I hate wars and killing, even just acts of violence. I really, really enjoy shooting, but I won't shoot anything except paper targets at the range. I don't hunt nor I own any firearms, and I surely won't carry. I don't want to be on the battlefield, and I won't shoot at anybody.

    I know signing up for the army is first before all signing up to be a soldier, and I'm okay with this part as I will most likely never have to put this training to real use, and I'm good to deal with it. I know being an amo tech also involves to deliver the goodies on the field, but usually it's not the front line/combat zone, more the artillery guys.

    It's very well paid ($50 000 after training and $100 000 after a few years) and I'm confident that I have what it takes to get the job done and also enjoy the work. Downside is you're not going back home every day after work, so you have to get used to living in a military environment, but so far I've been adapting fairly easy to these kinds of life styles.

    I also have a big tendency to get in troubles with girls, so I hope that getting my ass kicked at the military drill and the intensive technical training is gonna keep me away from them wimmenz and not getting lucky too much for a while.

    What's you guys (and gals) think of all this ? Anyone here in the army in the same field of work as I'm looking for ? Please note I'm enrolling in the Canadian army, not US.

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    His post about shooting to miss continues to bother me...if he was in my unit and did that in a real war I would put a bullet in his head, especially if his cowardice resulted in other members getting injured. Luckily, Canada won't be in a shooting war anytime soon.
    As would I however he hasn't made that decision. He hasn't been through any training, seen his buddies get shot, or been put in a hostile environment where everyone that doesn't speak your language wants to slit your throat.

    Before I joined and was trained I had never thought about killing another human but after reflection on what I was and what I am now I am almost a completely different person.

    I am of the opinion that with proper training that he could make the ethical decision to save his buddies life.

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    This in all contingent on how the Canuks train though. I'm a U.S. Marine and the training is long and hard. I have never seen the Army's training regimen so maybe I'm on the wrong foot as it were.

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    I'm not the most eloquent speaker, so in hindsight I may have come off a little harsh. I know the Canadian military has deployed alongside US and other coalition forces to toilet bowls like Afghanistan and Africa, and I have nothing but respect for them.
    Basically what I was getting at is that it's the military and there are certain expectations that must be met, that in extreme cases may include directly taking the life of another person. If you don't feel that you could meet those expectations, then you should look at another path.
    When I joined the military, it wasn't so I could kill people or shoot guns (though I do love shooting). But I had absolutely no illusions about what my job may ultimately require me to do. If I put msyelf in that situation and couldn't come through, it could very well cost the person next to me their life.
    So OP, if you really believe you can't come through, I beg of you not to join the military and put yourself and others in that situation.
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    As would I however he hasn't made that decision. He hasn't been through any training, seen his buddies get shot, or been put in a hostile environment where everyone that doesn't speak your language wants to slit your throat.

    Before I joined and was trained I had never thought about killing another human but after reflection on what I was and what I am now I am almost a completely different person.

    I am of the opinion that with proper training that he could make the ethical decision to save his buddies life.

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    This in all contingent on how the Canuks train though. I'm a U.S. Marine and the training is long and hard. I have never seen the Army's training regimen so maybe I'm on the wrong foot as it were.

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    It's very difficult to enlist in the Canadian military...after years of downsizing we're in the process of further reductions. For every vacancy, there's hundreds of applicants and the bar is high. RMC (our West Point) accepts only a few hundred into first year...most enlisted ranks need certain skills before getting in. IT, most trades, and university grads are actively recruited.

    Because Canada hasn't seen a lot of conflict, training is more "by the book" rather than from experience. Most officers have never seen combat and do some stupid stuff...when I said they have a licence to kill, I didn't mean the enemy.

    We all grow up fast in the service, even without seeing combat. If the OP is ever deployed into a combat situation, the first thing he'll learn is that getting shot at isn't like in the movies. He'll learn that you never hear the "bang" but the sound of a bullet is something he'll never forget...ever. Sort of like a supersonic hummingbird flying by your ear...he'll always remember that 7.62 that almost took his head off. He'll have no problem pulling the trigger after that...some look forward to it.

    Canadians train on the cheap, every round is counted and accounted for, artillery shells are like gold, in the Engineers we rationed C4 and measured det cord by the inch. I live near our Meaford tank range...it's very rare to hear live rounds being used in training. Most of our military deployed in Afghanistan never used most of the equipment they were issued...Jeez, they landed in dark green camo designed for deer hunting back in Canada. Most training consists of games of silly bugger...Monty Python would be proud.

    That said, we do a lot with very little in spite of poor leadership and political games at all levels. They say that crap always flows downhill...very true when looking for accountability in our service. Somalia was a good example of that...it caused our Airborne to be disbanded.

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    K, you guys are making me laugh like hell. Seriously.

    I'd rather say I won't shoot anyone and finally get to do it anyway than saying ya no problem I'll shoot anyone and in the end I'm the one getting shot coz I though I would never have a problem pulling the trigger.

    Yes I'm a good shooter, chances that I miss the mark aren't big, but it's a completely different talk when it's in the middle of a gunfight and you're higher on stress than the guy in his F16 jet. So I don't ****ing know if I'm gonna even shoot at the guy, and if I do, will my mind take over my moral, get in survival mode and hit the marl or will I just ****ing miss the guy I'm shooting at coz in the end I can't help myself not wanting to kill, unconsciously ? I don't have a clue and I highly doubt no-one who ever been in a life-threatening situation like a gunfight can claim knowing how they'd react without actually knowing it for real.

    I hope I'll never have to find out for myself, like I hope war could disappear from Earth just by snapping my fingers, but what I know is that I won't let my buddies down nor will I run away from my duty. And that I don't know much beside that yet. But if I have to fight others, I'm all for the smallest casualties possible, on either sides of the guns. Killing never solved any war for real, let's try to think before acting. You're the only one deciding to pull or not the trigger, and if you think that isn't true, than you shouldn't be in the army at all, because you don't even have a bit left of self-consciouness, and this is even worst than making a decision of your own.

    And if you're to kill your own team mates, than you should get an immediate psycho exam, coz you're seriously fed up.

    And again, this is the ****ing Internet, not even the real life, so get off your high horses and realize we're in 2013, not during the war of Vietnam god damnit.


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    The reason a commissioned officer will shoot someone who won't pull the trigger. Its a direct order at that point and in a firefight the one person not shooting is a danger to everyone around them.

    Its hard to understand the situation but its like a cornered confused and armed person. They are just as likely to shoot the officer as they are to shoot anyone including themselves. Also this hasn't happened to my knowledge in a long time. Its a very serious topic but you honestly don't need to be worried about it at this point. Go with what drives you and make the right choices and you will be fine. Your gut and belief system seem to be fine IMO. I've only known a few men who joined strictly to kill and most of the time their history is much darker than you would realize. Hopefully all of them have learned that there are good things in life and have not let that side of them control their actions.

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    Oh, I'm not worried, I've plenty other things to think about than hypothetical situations that may or may not occur in my life, and I just deal with stuff that actually matters, like what I'm doing tonight, should I go watch Dr. Who or the hockey game

    I'll be fine. I like poking at trouble, but I know to stay out of real trouble. Anyway, you guys should be more concerned about your own life than mine, do you really care what I'm doing with my own life anyway, pretty sure you could care less honestly. I'm too optimist to put myself in really big trouble. I have no will to get bullets flying around myself and that doesn't means I can't be in the army, who's in his good mind would wish to be in a life-threatening situation, even people in the army. You just deal with it and suck it up.

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    No one on here would have said anything about your life choices had you not asked about them on an internet forum.... Just sayin'.
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    Oh, I'm not worried, I've plenty other things to think about than hypothetical situations that may or may not occur in my life, and I just deal with stuff that actually matters, like what I'm doing tonight, should I go watch Dr. Who or the hockey game

    I'll be fine. I like poking at trouble, but I know to stay out of real trouble. Anyway, you guys should be more concerned about your own life than mine, do you really care what I'm doing with my own life anyway, pretty sure you could care less honestly. I'm too optimist to put myself in really big trouble. I have no will to get bullets flying around myself and that doesn't means I can't be in the army, who's in his good mind would wish to be in a life-threatening situation, even people in the army. You just deal with it and suck it up.

    Believe it or not I do care and its the military that has taught me to do this. I care about every single Marine I have ever trained whether they hated or liked me. Caring about a stranger that has asked for an opinion is not so different. You also have given what all of us have said and made your decision. Now you're informed of a bit of military life and the ball is in your court

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    Well I can believe it coz I too care about everyone, so I know you mean it.

    Worst case I'll just stick to video games and installing power meter till I retire and go ride bikes on my days off.

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    Well I'm done here. Kryptoroxx have fun with the OP, his replies now are just getting silly.
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    Well I'm done here. Kryptoroxx have fun with the OP, his replies now are just getting silly.
    Damn it's about time you realize it. Of all the people who replied here, only 2 or 3 actually brought some real advices and constructive knowledge to my original post. Anyway, good night guys.

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    K, you guys are making me laugh like hell. Seriously.

    I'd rather say I won't shoot anyone and finally get to do it anyway than saying ya no problem I'll shoot anyone and in the end I'm the one getting shot coz I though I would never have a problem pulling the trigger.

    Yes I'm a good shooter, chances that I miss the mark aren't big, but it's a completely different talk when it's in the middle of a gunfight and you're higher on stress than the guy in his F16 jet. So I don't ****ing know if I'm gonna even shoot at the guy, and if I do, will my mind take over my moral, get in survival mode and hit the marl or will I just ****ing miss the guy I'm shooting at coz in the end I can't help myself not wanting to kill, unconsciously ? I don't have a clue and I highly doubt no-one who ever been in a life-threatening situation like a gunfight can claim knowing how they'd react without actually knowing it for real.

    I hope I'll never have to find out for myself, like I hope war could disappear from Earth just by snapping my fingers, but what I know is that I won't let my buddies down nor will I run away from my duty. And that I don't know much beside that yet. But if I have to fight others, I'm all for the smallest casualties possible, on either sides of the guns. Killing never solved any war for real, let's try to think before acting. You're the only one deciding to pull or not the trigger, and if you think that isn't true, than you shouldn't be in the army at all, because you don't even have a bit left of self-consciouness, and this is even worst than making a decision of your own.

    And if you're to kill your own team mates, than you should get an immediate psycho exam, coz you're seriously fed up.

    And again, this is the ****ing Internet, not even the real life, so get off your high horses and realize we're in 2013, not during the war of Vietnam god damnit.


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    Several posters have implied that you may be unsuitable for the military, and in one post you prove us right. I'm not going to waste anymore time playing your childish game, but please keep in mind that if your cowardice results in an injury or worse in your team, you'd be lucky to get off with just a bullet in the head. Personally, I'd want you to really suffer for letting your team down. Perhaps that's why you're running from the real world.

    Every member of your unit has a job to do, the most important is protecting the team...sounds like you just don't understand. Lucky for them, Canada isn't getting into another shooting war for a while...do them a favour and stay away. We hate people like you...thinking that you're so much better than us.

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    Several posters have implied that you may be unsuitable for the military, and in one post you prove us right. I'm not going to waste anymore time playing your childish game, but please keep in mind that if your cowardice results in an injury or worse in your team, you'd be lucky to get off with just a bullet in the head. Personally, I'd want you to really suffer for letting your team down. Perhaps that's why you're running from the real world.

    Every member of your unit has a job to do, the most important is protecting the team...sounds like you just don't understand. Lucky for them, Canada isn't getting into another shooting war for a while...do them a favour and stay away. We hate people like you...thinking that you're so much better than us.
    Sir, I will do my best to stay polite here. Of all the posts so far, yours is the only one with such offending statements.

    You are currently attacking my integrity and implying that I am not a man of values and calling me a coward. I don't often take such comments as personal offenses, even more from a stranger on the internets, but since you are calling me out, allow me to retort.

    First of, shall you ever open fire on another human being (or even a living creature), is a very personal decision that differs from every single person.

    I always say : it's not about what you do, but why you do it. Learn from this.

    As I have stated previously, I never had to find myself in a military combat situation, even less at war. Since this is a situation I never experienced yet, I cannot confirm my abilities at taking a shot, no matter the reason, at someone else as of this present day. However, I can once again give you my current piece of mind about shooting someone : if I find myself in a life or death situation (and this can involve that someone else on my side is also threaten), I will do everything I can to stop the threat, and keeping in mind not to make use of unnecessary violence, and if this means I have no choice but to put a bullet in someone, I will do so. If I find myself in a potentially, but not confirmed, life threading situation where the enemy can be defeated without casualties or lethal action from my person, I will act accordingly to keep violence and blood to a minimum. If I find myself fighting for my life, I will fight with all I have to make sure I get home safe. If this involve fellow comrades fighting at my side, refer to the first statement. If I can have someone else take the shot without endangering others more than if I was the only one able to take the shot, I will leave the responsibility to this person, as long as this does not increase the level of risks on our side.

    This is my current state of mind as a young man who seek a potential job in the military without any military experience nor faced life-threatening situations yet. If you think the above makes me a coward or mentally unsuitable for military personal, who's job is to serve and protect his country, not to collect kills, I would like to invite you to print this page, climb on a ladder and wipe off your high ass with it.

    And again, I am trying my best to stay polite and control my temper.

    I do not salute you sir. Good night.
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    I was bored, have a nice read. I gotta say, you are slowly learning and coming to grips with what the military entails. You went from "I won't shoot anybody", to "I'll shoot someone invading my home".
    I do need to point out though that YOU are the one that put this out on the internet. Don't get mad at us for our responses. We do care, especially those of us in the military, because we want the best candidates. Someone that comes in as a Conscientious Objector, saying they will not shoot anything more than a paper target, and talking about how they will make sure they never deploy to war is not the best candidate, point blank and period.
    You say you only got 2 or 3 good responses, but really you only got 2 or 3 responses that you agreed with. The rest of us were telling you the hard truth.


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    Only one thing is me and the army aren't always on the same page. I love guns and blowing up stuff, but I hate wars and killing, even just acts of violence. I really, really enjoy shooting, but I won't shoot anything except paper targets at the range. I don't hunt nor I own any firearms, and I surely won't carry. I don't want to be on the battlefield, and I won't shoot at anybody.
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    I'm not looking at the army as the "army", but more as a tech job......
    Like I said before, I always loved guns and blowing up random stuff, and if it wasn't for the fact I am against all form of violence (except video games, coz it's a game, not the real world), I'd be trying to get in the local SWAT team already.
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    I'm not for the "war" either. And I don't want to be an engineer either. And I don't wish to go to combat. I'll make sure that the job they offer me won't involve anything I'm against with, like actually firing on people outside my country.
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    Only thing I'll say is : yes I would love to serve my country. However I don't see how I can serve my country by going killing people on another continent. But if anyone was to attack me, I'd stand up to defend my family and my people, no questions asked. To go in another country and start shooting people isn't what I consider "serving my country", but serving some personal interests of *******s. This is why I'm not always on the same page with the army. Let's say I'm more of National Guard than Marine.

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    I'd rather say I won't shoot anyone and finally get to do it anyway than saying ya no problem I'll shoot anyone and in the end I'm the one getting shot coz I though I would never have a problem pulling the trigger.

    Yes I'm a good shooter, chances that I miss the mark aren't big, but it's a completely different talk when it's in the middle of a gunfight and you're higher on stress than the guy in his F16 jet. So I don't ****ing know if I'm gonna even shoot at the guy, and if I do, will my mind take over my moral, get in survival mode and hit the marl or will I just ****ing miss the guy I'm shooting at coz in the end I can't help myself not wanting to kill, unconsciously ? I don't have a clue and I highly doubt no-one who ever been in a life-threatening situation like a gunfight can claim knowing how they'd react without actually knowing it for real.

    I hope I'll never have to find out for myself, like I hope war could disappear from Earth just by snapping my fingers, but what I know is that I won't let my buddies down nor will I run away from my duty. And that I don't know much beside that yet. But if I have to fight others, I'm all for the smallest casualties possible, on either sides of the guns. Killing never solved any war for real, let's try to think before acting. You're the only one deciding to pull or not the trigger, and if you think that isn't true, than you shouldn't be in the army at all, because you don't even have a bit left of self-consciouness, and this is even worst than making a decision of your own.

    And if you're to kill your own team mates, than you should get an immediate psycho exam, coz you're seriously fed up.

    And again, this is the ****ing Internet, not even the real life, so get off your high horses and realize we're in 2013, not during the war of Vietnam god damnit.

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    I'll be fine. I like poking at trouble, but I know to stay out of real trouble. Anyway, you guys should be more concerned about your own life than mine, do you really care what I'm doing with my own life anyway, pretty sure you could care less honestly. I'm too optimist to put myself in really big trouble. I have no will to get bullets flying around myself and that doesn't means I can't be in the army, who's in his good mind would wish to be in a life-threatening situation, even people in the army. You just deal with it and suck it up.
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    Sir, I will do my best to stay polite here. Of all the posts so far, yours is the only one with such offending statements.

    You are currently attacking my integrity and implying that I am not a man of values and calling me a coward. I don't often take such comments as personal offenses, even more from a stranger on the internets, but since you are calling me out, allow me to retort.

    First of, shall you ever open fire on another human being (or even a living creature), is a very personal decision that differs from every single person.

    I always say : it's not about what you do, but why you do it. Learn from this.

    As I have stated previously, I never had to find myself in a military combat situation, even less at war. Since this is a situation I never experienced yet, I cannot confirm my abilities at taking a shot, no matter the reason, at someone else as of this present day. However, I can once again give you my current piece of mind about shooting someone : if I find myself in a life or death situation (and this can involve that someone else on my side is also threaten), I will do everything I can to stop the threat, and keeping in mind not to make use of unnecessary violence, and if this means I have no choice but to put a bullet in someone, I will do so. If I find myself in a potentially, but not confirmed, life threading situation where the enemy can be defeated without casualties or lethal action from my person, I will act accordingly to keep violence and blood to a minimum. If I find myself fighting for my life, I will fight with all I have to make sure I get home safe. If this involve fellow comrades fighting at my side, refer to the first statement. If I can have someone else take the shot without endangering others more than if I was the only one able to take the shot, I will leave the responsibility to this person, as long as this does not increase the level of risks on our side.

    This is my current state of mind as a young man who seek a potential job in the military without any military experience nor faced life-threatening situations yet. If you think the above makes me a coward or mentally unsuitable for military personal, who's job is to serve and protect his country, not to collect kills, I would like to invite you to print this page, climb on a ladder and wipe off your high ass with it.

    And again, I am trying my best to stay polite and control my temper.

    I do not salute you sir. Good night.
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    Delusional, that's what comes to mind. The military would be a poor choice for you imo, fantasy writer might be a good choice.

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    I'm wagering that you're a 13 year old typing from your mom's basement...you need to grow up.

    I'm done with your stupid posts and childish concepts of real life.
    Also, take note that you only salute officers and address them as "sir".

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    I'm wagering that you're a 13 year old typing from your mom's basement...you need to grow up.

    I'm done with your stupid posts and childish concepts of real life.
    Also, take note that you only salute officers and address them as "sir".

    CYA
    You sound a lot like my brother, who's typical reaction to someone not agreeing with him is to go for the humiliation and bashing comments.

    Now you're getting me to wonder who's the little kid here. Maybe after you're still a kid at heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    K, you guys are making me laugh like hell. Seriously.

    I'd rather say I won't shoot anyone and finally get to do it anyway than saying ya no problem I'll shoot anyone and in the end I'm the one getting shot coz I though I would never have a problem pulling the trigger.

    Yes I'm a good shooter, chances that I miss the mark aren't big, but it's a completely different talk when it's in the middle of a gunfight and you're higher on stress than the guy in his F16 jet. So I don't ****ing know if I'm gonna even shoot at the guy, and if I do, will my mind take over my moral, get in survival mode and hit the marl or will I just ****ing miss the guy I'm shooting at coz in the end I can't help myself not wanting to kill, unconsciously ? I don't have a clue and I highly doubt no-one who ever been in a life-threatening situation like a gunfight can claim knowing how they'd react without actually knowing it for real.

    I hope I'll never have to find out for myself, like I hope war could disappear from Earth just by snapping my fingers, but what I know is that I won't let my buddies down nor will I run away from my duty. And that I don't know much beside that yet. But if I have to fight others, I'm all for the smallest casualties possible, on either sides of the guns. Killing never solved any war for real, let's try to think before acting. You're the only one deciding to pull or not the trigger, and if you think that isn't true, than you shouldn't be in the army at all, because you don't even have a bit left of self-consciouness, and this is even worst than making a decision of your own.

    And if you're to kill your own team mates, than you should get an immediate psycho exam, coz you're seriously fed up.

    And again, this is the ****ing Internet, not even the real life, so get off your high horses and realize we're in 2013, not during the war of Vietnam god damnit.


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    dude, i suggest you stop posting and let the thread die. way to ruin your internet reputation quickly.

    you asked for opinions, then become defensive when you hear them, as they are mostly not what you wanted to hear.

    as JM01 suggested - there is many ways to earn respect - the road you are thinking about, and your rationale for taking it - will not earn you respect. maybe you really should get off of your lazy butt and learn skills in competitive environment - but i understand you may feel intimidated. army is not a good choice for you. it is not if, but when you will get hurt. badly.

    seriously - let the thread die. go ride your bike. we don't need this crap around here...
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    You sound a lot like my brother, who's typical reaction to someone not agreeing with him is to go for the humiliation and bashing comments.

    Now you're getting me to wonder who's the little kid here. Maybe after you're still a kid at heart
    Yep...when I grow up, I want to be a little boy.

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    Signing up for the army tomorrow, any advices ?

    I never asked fir opinions, I asked for advices on what to look out for in the military. I never ask you guys what you think of my person, nor if I should go in or not.

    Many here started making drama from nothing and turns out they should also go riding more. And I don't have to agree with anybody if I don't want to. But I respect other's opinion, even when I don't share their view.

    I hope you realize Internet reputation is just a big joke, right ?

    I'm out anyway. Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I never asked fir opinions, I asked for advices on what to look out for in the military. I never ask you guys what you think of my person, nor if I should go in or not.
    Actually David, you never specified exactly what info you wanted. You just asked what we thought of your plan laid out in your post.

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    What's you guys (and gals) think of all this ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I asked for advices on what to look out for in the military.
    You got it. From people who been there. Even folks like me, who only spent a bit of time in Russian ~"ROTC" can smell what's up.

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