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    Shutdown Passion

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    I think congress should forfeit their pay until the issue is resolved.
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    Re: Shutdown Passion

    Apparently I'm "essential" staff so I still have to go to work, I'm just not getting paid for what I do. Wish I could go riding all day.
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    I decided to take the time to work on my bikes, unfortunately the work multiplied when I found some problems. Oh well...
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    Time for a new millennial Sedona 5?

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    My thoughts also.
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    I'm "essential" staff, so I'm still working. We're funded for 10 days. After that, we work without pay until a funding bill is passed.

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    We are good for a couple of weeks but when the money runs out we will designate essential staff. I don't feel essential.

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    I'm not essential. As if I didn't know that already.
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    I'm one of the 40% of dopes that pays more in taxes that the benefits he receives. I'll be working today... and tomorrow...

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    I'm also essential. But only as a payer of taxes.

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    So when you shutdown your electric service you don't have to continue paying an electric bill. When you shutoff your cell service you dont keep paying your cell phone bill. So I can I stop paying my taxes now?

    Yeah I know I know ...... how stupid of me......
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    I've been deemed non-essential. After all, I'm only the boss!

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    I'm working, but I'm not being paid

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    I work with the Forest Service both for my job and also with our local mountain bike non profit so I know a lot of folks there. I really feel for them, they're good folks.. They've been laid off without any idea of when they'll get their next paycheck. They all have bills to pay and families to support just like everyone else.

    Not only that but it delays work that we had planned.

    Friggin tea baggers need to go a month or so without any pay.

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    I guess, the federal workers get to see what the private sector is like now.

    What I don't understand is why the govt can't leave stuff open, but with no services. Why kick people out of a campground because the water is shut off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    So when you shutdown your electric service you don't have to continue paying an electric bill. When you shutoff your cell service you dont keep paying your cell phone bill. So I can I stop paying my taxes now?

    Yeah I know I know ...... how stupid of me......
    Yep, pretty stupid, because there are essential services still going on, like traffic lights, emergency response, air traffic control, etc. And taxes are collected once a year, so it's not even remotely the same thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
    I guess, the federal workers get to see what the private sector is like now.

    What I don't understand is why the govt can't leave stuff open, but with no services. Why kick people out of a campground because the water is shut off?
    Because it's 1 or 5% of people that screw it up for everyone. The ones that think it's funny to poop on the floor and throw TP all over the bathroom, the ones that leave their garbage all over the picnic area, the ones that don't put out their fires/bbqs, the ones that might get hurt and then sue, the ones that might abandon their car there. Yes, I realize that you are inconvenienced, but any one of these things can cause mega-man-hours for the agency when the government does "re-open". I'm thinking you'll survive though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
    I guess, the federal workers get to see what the private sector is like now.

    What I don't understand is why the govt can't leave stuff open, but with no services. Why kick people out of a campground because the water is shut off?
    As if we've never worked in the private sector? Please, don't hold back when expressing your hate next time. As if your company decides to "shut down" for a few days, then miraculously spring back to life? How often does that happen to you?
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    So to change the topic back to lighthearted discontentment, I've found the following issues with my bikes during furlough:

    Bike A

    -L/H PF30 bearing shot.
    -Warrantied rear shifter, shifting seems to take a LOT of effort though, seems somewhere there's some excessive friction, but I can't find it, replaced cable twice in attempt.

    Bike B
    -Derailleur cable frayed.
    -Chain had too many links.
    -Rear hub coming apart (cone/end adjustment loose).

    Done the following:

    -Taken off both chains, reajusted bike B's.
    -Installed flat pedals on bike B.
    -Drilled the fat-tire rims on bike B and installed glow-in-the-dark tape in the holes (multi-day process requiring tools and time, but finally done).
    -Attempted to convert fat-tire-rims to tubeless (failed).
    -Changed shifter and cables 3x on bike A (first time confirmed shifter was jammed and needed to be returned).
    -Removed cranks on bike A to troubleshoot rough pedaling, found PF30 bearing shot.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
    I guess, the federal workers get to see what the private sector is like now.
    Without federal workers, most of the things you take for granted wouldn't be available to you. How do you know that many haven't come from the private sector? There are 800,000 people out of work and not being paid right now. How do you think they feel about all of this? Do you think these 800,000 have a choice in the matter? Next time think before you post a comment like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dharel1705 View Post
    Without federal workers, most of the things you take for granted wouldn't be available to you. How do you know that many haven't come from the private sector? There are 800,000 people out of work and not being paid right now. How do you think they feel about all of this? Do you think these 800,000 have a choice in the matter? Next time think before you post a comment like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
    I guess, the federal workers get to see what the private sector is like now.
    Really???

    Worked in the private sector 20+ years before getting my fed job in 2010. Also owned my own business. Was laid off before too.

    For the record, the agency I work for is 8 people below our staffing levels just to maintain salaries for the other 25 people. We also laid off people two years ago. So thinking that the private sector is so much worse is baloney.

    BTW, I did much better financially in the private sector. My fed job has no pension, bonuses, overtime pay or profit sharing. My medical expenses are more and my 401k matching is less. I have gotten raises the last three years because I scored at the highest level for evaluations. They were all mid 3 digit raises. Not the prime fluff job everyone thinks it is.

    And taking heat as a fed employee because congress are also feds is BS. The American people would be very sorry to see my agency shutdown.

    Rant done, flame suit on.

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    Looks like an aggrieved woman has tried to take it to the whitehouse.... fox news.

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    Actually the shutdown doesn't affect me. I am not inconvienced at all. I am just saying people have been getting laid off right and left for years. Govt jobs have been secure.

    It is amazing when the shoes is on the other foot, who gets all offensive. I take it some of the offensive govt workers haven't saved any money to weather the storm.

    And We pay our taxes more than once a year, But that is another whole topic on itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
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    What I don't understand is why the govt can't leave stuff open, but with no services. Why kick people out of a campground because the water is shut off?
    One of the "essential" tasks for our "essential" Cuyahoga Valley Nat'l Park rangers is to close the bike path that passes through the park (the "Tow Path"). The bike path that many people use to ride to work. The one with about 100 access points. The one that is much safer after dark than either road that runs parallel to it. (neither of which is closed to traffic passing through the park)
    I think someone got their orders confused. There MUST be something more pressing or "essential" needing to be addressed.

    Anyway, good luck to everyone. Considering the reasons behind this whole debacle, we'll all need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
    Actually the shutdown doesn't affect me. I am not inconvienced at all. I am just saying people have been getting laid off right and left for years. Govt jobs have been secure.

    It is amazing when the shoes is on the other foot, who gets all offensive. I take it some of the offensive govt workers haven't saved any money to weather the storm.

    And We pay our taxes more than once a year, But that is another whole topic on itself.
    I am glad you are not directly affected by the shutdown. Indirectly you will be.

    Why do you think gov jobs are secure? Did you not read my post?

    As for being prepared, I live debt free and volunteered to be furlowed. The offensive part is you making blanket statements about gov workers vs private sector workers when you have no experience as a gov employee. I have been on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yep, pretty stupid, because there are essential services still going on, like traffic lights, emergency response, air traffic control, etc. And taxes are collected once a year...
    Fair enough, so lets crunch some numbers.. nothing a 7th grader can't figure out with his calculator app on the smartphone. What % of services I pay for via taxes are still up and running during the shutdown? I'll be looking to only pay taxes for that percetage of services for each day the govament is out to lunch. The rest should stay in my pocket. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me, but I'm also a realist. I know uncle sam won't pull out his smartphone and make that calculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    I work with the Forest Service both for my job and also with our local mountain bike non profit so I know a lot of folks there. I really feel for them, they're good folks.. They've been laid off without any idea of when they'll get their next paycheck. They all have bills to pay and families to support just like everyone else.

    Not only that but it delays work that we had planned.

    Friggin tea baggers need to go a month or so without any pay.
    You are aware that Reid received a Bill to fully fund the NPS on its own and refused to even let the Senate vote on it, correct? Yeah thought so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal_jack View Post
    You are aware that Reid received a Bill to fully fund the NPS on its own and refused to even let the Senate vote on it, correct? Yeah thought so.
    NPS isn't the USFS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socal_jack View Post
    You are aware that Reid received a Bill to fully fund the NPS on its own and refused to even let the Senate vote on it, correct? Yeah thought so.
    Umm, well, in the first place the park service is completely different from the forest service. They're not even under the same cabinet department.

    Second, so the repubs are offering to partially fund certain programs that they think will win them some brownie points with all the poor folks who've been shut out of old faithful. What a BS, cynical, slimy, way to approach doing their job. Reid is correct to to tell him "no, you can't fund just the parts of the government that you want that you think might be politically expedient."

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    ^ I don't understand how that simple logic escapes people. But it does.
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    I have contacted all of my local house and senate reps to let them know they need to get to work and do their jobs. The performance of our leadership in Washington is irresponsible and they need to figure out a solution to the problems presented to them by working together. If I decided behave in the same manner at my place of business I would lose my job. Nobody gets what they want all of the time, even young children understand this! Cut spending or raise taxes, or a little of both I don't know. I do know if you review the facts and data and make informed decisions you can solve problems. If anyone else out there thinks that they need to work together please let your local reps know. We need to hold these people accountable.

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    I contacted my reps too.


    Almost done with my bikes and ready to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I think congress should forfeit their pay until the issue is resolved.
    When the President forfeit's his, or supplements all the full time workers , who are now part time, or gives me a exception, like he did to all the large company's I compete with . The man rewrites laws unilaterally knowing he will be out of office before any court action will rectify it , what a farce!.

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    Government jobs secure? Does anyone remember BRAC. Anyone ever hear of a RIF. I know a lot of
    people who have lost a "secure" government job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I think congress should forfeit their pay until the issue is resolved.
    Most have, but I've read of two that did not. One is a D, voting to prevent shutdown, and that was his logic - he didn't vote for it so shouldn't be punished for what the other poor poor disrespected millionaires voted for. The other is an R, who voted for the shutdown and said she can't live without her paycheck. Her husband is a surgeon. (couldn't find the article again, sorry)

    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    Government jobs secure? Does anyone remember BRAC. Anyone ever hear of a RIF. I know a lot of
    people who have lost a "secure" government job.
    I've been lucky enough to not be personally affected by a RIF but I've seen it rip the guts out of strong development teams. Wait a couple years until NASA funding hits the point where it's either the ISS or SLS. There's going to be some really good people hitting the bricks. NASA Will Face Solomon's Choice in 2014 - SpaceRef
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim208 View Post
    Actually the shutdown doesn't affect me. I am not inconvienced at all. I am just saying people have been getting laid off right and left for years. Govt jobs have been secure.

    It is amazing when the shoes is on the other foot, who gets all offensive. I take it some of the offensive govt workers haven't saved any money to weather the storm.

    And We pay our taxes more than once a year, But that is another whole topic on itself.
    You don't know what you're talking about. Government jobs have disappeared at record rates since the great recession started in 2008.

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