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    Saturated fat is back!

    This is old news in terms of internet life (~1 week), but I've finally had a chance to slow down enough to read the BMJ article on the call to end the case against saturated fat. Basically, scientists once again don't have a unified statement on what to eat. Saturated fat is back in as a result!

    If you are curious about this, and who honestly isn't curious about whether bacon and butter are bad, the article is worth a quick read if you have access to the article. I've linked the responses since they seem open to all. It contains a bunch of physicians arguing much like people debate wheel size here.
    Saturated fat is not the major issue | BMJ

    If you want what seems to be a balanced presentation of the overall issue with various links, this podcast is a good thing to listen to.
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    This webpage includes many cross references that enhance the podcast.

    My attention to this started earlier in the year. I started on a wheat-free (and very limited grain) diet about 5 months ago. My diet has settled in on a clean food / paleo / or what ever you want to call a diet that simply eats real, non-processed foods. It's been steadily evolving into a low carb diet despite my reluctance to do that (how can you cycle on low carb?). Whenever I mention "low carb" to people, they have visions of greasy burgers and bacon. Fat is a high percentage of my diet, but the fat comes from nuts, pumpkin seeds, olive oil, butter and small amount of animals. What is remarkable is that my cycling fears on low carb were unfounded; I can literally cycle forever on a low carb diet. Is it bonk proof? Time will tell but I have plenty more fat to burn up.

    As I work in science, I have been very skeptical of these claims, but all of this makes me wonder if what if we have been told is healthy is completely wrong. Walking down the streets or shopping at walmart tells me something is vastly wrong. What if the rise of obesity, ADHD, depression, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer's, MS, IBS, restless legs, ... are all related to a diet high in processed carbohydrates and grains -- wheat in particular -- like all of the best selling books are reporting?


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    If you work in science, then you likely already know about the link between aspartame and Type II diabetes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    If you work in science, then you likely already know about the link between aspartame and Type II diabetes...
    Yeah, I've read a bit about the biochemical response of the artificial sweeteners and how they confuse the brain to over eat. I've tried to stay away from these sweetener ever since I saw my first little blue, pink or yellow sweetener just waiting to be used on a table. My wife says she is going to disown me because I've started drinking unsweetened tea. Gasp, I'm from the south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Yeah, I've read a bit about the biochemical response of the artificial sweeteners and how they confuse the brain to over eat. I've tried to stay away from these sweetener ever since I saw my first little blue, pink or yellow sweetener just waiting to be used on a table. My wife says she is going to disown me because I've started drinking unsweetened tea. Gasp, I'm from the south.
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    del sur is becoming pretty common too

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    This is old news in terms of internet life (~1 week), but I've finally had a chance to slow down enough to read the BMJ article on the call to end the case against saturated fat. Basically, scientists once again don't have a unified statement on what to eat. Saturated fat is back in as a result!

    If you are curious about this, and who honestly isn't curious about whether bacon and butter are bad, the article is worth a quick read if you have access to the article. I've linked the responses since they seem open to all. It contains a bunch of physicians arguing much like people debate wheel size here.
    Saturated fat is not the major issue | BMJ

    If you want what seems to be a balanced presentation of the overall issue with various links, this podcast is a good thing to listen to.
    Latest in Paleo 88: Is Fat*Good? - Paleo Podcast - Latest in Paleo Podcast - Paleo Diet - Paleo Fitness - Paleo News
    This webpage includes many cross references that enhance the podcast.

    My attention to this started earlier in the year. I started on a wheat-free (and very limited grain) diet about 5 months ago. My diet has settled in on a clean food / paleo / or what ever you want to call a diet that simply eats real, non-processed foods. It's been steadily evolving into a low carb diet despite my reluctance to do that (how can you cycle on low carb?). Whenever I mention "low carb" to people, they have visions of greasy burgers and bacon. Fat is a high percentage of my diet, but the fat comes from nuts, pumpkin seeds, olive oil, butter and small amount of animals. What is remarkable is that my cycling fears on low carb were unfounded; I can literally cycle forever on a low carb diet. Is it bonk proof? Time will tell but I have plenty more fat to burn up.

    As I work in science, I have been very skeptical of these claims, but all of this makes me wonder if what if we have been told is healthy is completely wrong. Walking down the streets or shopping at walmart tells me something is vastly wrong. What if the rise of obesity, ADHD, depression, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer's, MS, IBS, restless legs, ... are all related to a diet high in processed carbohydrates and grains -- wheat in particular -- like all of the best selling books are reporting?


    That's it. I've crossed the line. I have become "that person" on the internet.
    Two long... did not read. Was cutting into my Bacon time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishbucket View Post
    Two long... did not read. Was cutting into my Bacon time.
    I'll sum up - just eat real food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I'll sum up - just eat real food.
    as opposed to the plastice display food you see in furniture stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deke505 View Post
    as opposed to the plastice display food you see in furniture stores.
    Those a close cousin to the manufactured foods we have readily available. You know french fries that are more side ingredients than real potatoes; bread that never goes stale; boxes of food that contain some lovely seasonings and "cheese"; chicken nuggets that don't have recognizable chicken meat; etc.

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    You know, in the forties and fifties, all anyone ever ate was eggs, meat, butter and cheese, bread plus a few veggies. Look at old pictures, you hardly ever saw any "fattys".
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    Saturated fat is back!

    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    You know, in the forties and fifties, all anyone ever ate was eggs, meat, butter and cheese, bread plus a few veggies. Look at old pictures, you hardly ever saw any "fattys".
    Some say that is what people ate for 10s of thousands of years without people being obese. It was not until the USDA recommended that we literally eat like a cow that we remarkably started looking like cows.

    Maybe we need to revive the conspiracy theory thread. Agriculture recommends we eat a very high grain diet during the time farms were told to get big or get out of the business. Cholesterol was determined to be bad about the time statins were about to hit the market. Reflux medications are big at times when the average diet is synthetic food is eaten.
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    Heh, saturated fat never left my house! If you were as skinny as me you'd understand.

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    I lost weight mostly by eating less when I eat. It's tough as hell for a week or so but eventually, your stomach shrinks a little and you feel satisfied with less inside. Of course, I cut out basic junk food, too. I lost weight so fast that I actually got concerned but it leveled out so I guess I'm OK. I'm talking 6-7 pounds in just a few weeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    You know, in the forties and fifties, all anyone ever ate was eggs, meat, butter and cheese, bread plus a few veggies. Look at old pictures, you hardly ever saw any "fattys".
    That and they didn't have 500+ channels of programming, video games, internetz and lot prolly didn't have cars either. Food is a very interesting thing to me. I like it. A lot.

    If you've not already done so, I'd recommend reading Omnivore's Dilemma. Its sorta like Food Inc. on a conceptual level, without the "Michael Moore Hollywood sensationalism." It didn't really change the way I eat per se, but it absolutely and unequivocally changed the way that I think about food. I'm far more cognizant of where my food comes from now, and what I'm willing to eat (so I guess in that regard, my eating habits did change somewhat).

    And to give some perspective on why scientists keep changing their minds on what is good, and what is bad, and this causes cancer, and thats now healthy for you, I'll just leave this here: PLOS Medicine: Why Most Published Research Findings Are False

    To give some perspective, hat article is written by an incredibly intelligent and very well-respected scientist (now at Stanford). He know's what the hell he's talking about.
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    The field of nutritional epidemiology has taken a rightful beating through the years. Ioannidis's article is very interesting. While the math he uses is somewhat questionable, the end result that much of what is published should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism is very worthy of attention.


    Physical activity is very important, but I have a hard time reconciling what constitutes perceived inactivity today with the recall bias that people in the 50s and before were working machines. Sure we all love to hear that people walked to school uphill both ways in the snow, people plowed fields by driving a team of oxen on foot, and lumberjacks clearing forests with the aid of just a big blue ox. But going to the gym and xx minutes of exercise / day is a modern invention.

    I've settled into the idea of first fix the food intake first and increased activity will be a natural by-product of feeling better. Do we have a food intake problem beyond "junk food"? All that I've read this year suggests that we do. The "just eat real food" movement is starting to gain significant traction in the general population (not just the farmer's market shoppers).

    As an example of what could be wrong, just look at the size of the average American grocery store. Set a goal to buy only real food and estimate what percentage of the store you visit. You may find that you could easily satisfy your shopping needs with a grocery store no larger than a small apartment. For further gut-wrenching data, set up a strategic location in the store and record the approx. size of the shopper with the contents of the shopping cart (or the number of carts filled with food). The more obese people will undoubtedly have all sorts of fruit juices, soft drinks and snacks in the cart. But, you will also see tons of "healthy" snacks (crackers for example) and prepared foods in a box that are suggestive of wellness. You will see remarkably few fresh ingredients or what anybody from the 60s and before would consider food. Low-fat, highly processed carbs & man-made oils now seem to be our definition of food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    The field of nutritional epidemiology has taken a rightful beating through the years. Ioannidis's article is very interesting. While the math he uses is somewhat questionable, the end result that much of what is published should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism is very worthy of attention.


    Physical activity is very important, but I have a hard time reconciling what constitutes perceived inactivity today with the recall bias that people in the 50s and before were working machines. Sure we all love to hear that people walked to school uphill both ways in the snow, people plowed fields by driving a team of oxen on foot, and lumberjacks clearing forests with the aid of just a big blue ox. But going to the gym and xx minutes of exercise / day is a modern invention.

    I've settled into the idea of first fix the food intake first and increased activity will be a natural by-product of feeling better. Do we have a food intake problem beyond "junk food"? All that I've read this year suggests that we do. The "just eat real food" movement is starting to gain significant traction in the general population (not just the farmer's market shoppers).

    As an example of what could be wrong, just look at the size of the average American grocery store. Set a goal to buy only real food and estimate what percentage of the store you visit. You may find that you could easily satisfy your shopping needs with a grocery store no larger than a small apartment. For further gut-wrenching data, set up a strategic location in the store and record the approx. size of the shopper with the contents of the shopping cart (or the number of carts filled with food). The more obese people will undoubtedly have all sorts of fruit juices, soft drinks and snacks in the cart. But, you will also see tons of "healthy" snacks (crackers for example) and prepared foods in a box that are suggestive of wellness. You will see remarkably few fresh ingredients or what anybody from the 60s and before would consider food. Low-fat, highly processed carbs & man-made oils now seem to be our definition of food.
    This.

    Just anecdotal but as a product of the early sixties, I think back to when I was a kid in my elementary school years in So Cal. Out of practically an entire school's worth of students, we had 2....TWO kids that were obese. It was so out of the ordinary I can name their names to this day 40+ years later. After having grown up in that environment, I am completely amazed and baffled what has happened to this country with nutrition and activity. It's pretty damned sad, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    That and they didn't have 500+ channels of programming, video games, internetz and lot prolly didn't have cars either. Food is a very interesting thing to me. I like it. A lot.

    If you've not already done so, I'd recommend reading Omnivore's Dilemma. Its sorta like Food Inc. on a conceptual level, without the "Michael Moore Hollywood sensationalism." It didn't really change the way I eat per se, but it absolutely and unequivocally changed the way that I think about food. I'm far more cognizant of where my food comes from now, and what I'm willing to eat (so I guess in that regard, my eating habits did change somewhat).

    And to give some perspective on why scientists keep changing their minds on what is good, and what is bad, and this causes cancer, and thats now healthy for you, I'll just leave this here: PLOS Medicine: Why Most Published Research Findings Are False

    To give some perspective, hat article is written by an incredibly intelligent and very well-respected scientist (now at Stanford). He know's what the hell he's talking about.
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    Yup, I agree with all that has been said. Its not JUST the reduced activity, but there has definitely been a fundamental shift in food, its production and its consumption. Change people's eating habits, increase activity and the obesity problem will be no more (yes, I am aware its far easier said than done).

    And yeah, Ioannidis' article isn't free from error by any means, however, the core argument (in my opinion) is fundamentally sound (e.g., question what you hear and evaluate the science for yourself). Jenny McCarthy is a prime example of what happens when you fail to think for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Yup, I agree with all that has been said. Its not JUST the reduced activity, but there has definitely been a fundamental shift in food, its production and its consumption. Change people's eating habits, increase activity and the obesity problem will be no more (yes, I am aware its far easier said than done).

    And yeah, Ioannidis' article isn't free from error by any means, however, the core argument (in my opinion) is fundamentally sound (e.g., question what you hear and evaluate the science for yourself). Jenny McCarthy is a prime example of what happens when you fail to think for yourself.
    Jenny McCarthy?! Did someone just say Jenny McCarthy?!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Jenny McCarthy?! Did someone just say Jenny McCarthy?!!!!
    Yes. She is a blithering idiot and a waste of space. She is a very unfortunate presence in this world as she has done more to harm humanity than she realizes or will admit out of sheer ignorance, and the effects of her preachings are far from fully manifest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Yes. She is a blithering idiot and a waste of space. She is a very unfortunate presence in this world as she has done more to harm humanity than she realizes or will admit out of sheer ignorance, and the effects of her preachings are far from fully manifest.

    /rant.
    Wow, take a sedative please.

    She's very fun to look at, though.

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    Saturated fat is back!

    Well, some would say Jenny has done well having moved on from fake autism to fake cigarettes.

    (Ps I'm not saying autism is fake)
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    I have heard an anctedote that if you only shop along the outside edge of the grocery store, never venturing into the individual isles, you have a very good start on eating healthy.

    When you think about it, this is true! The outside edges have the produce, butcher, dairy, and bakery. The isles have the processed crap. I found myself shopping by that method, following the outside first to pick up produce, meat, and dairy, before venturing into specific isles only for dry goods (flour), specific recipe needs (a can of tomato sauce) or toilet paper/ detergent/ etc. I consciously avoid the isles with crackers, cookies, snacks, etc. to avoid temptation. I stock the house with really healthy, whole foods this way with what little grocery money I have. I also really take advantage of the freezer for saving fresh foods I get a good deal on or making a large portion and making and freezing homemade frozen meals. I don't need someone to process the food and freeze it for me. I know what goes in the stuff I make, and it is really easy to make extra and freeze it for another time!

    My problem right now is being a cook, surrounded by massive amounts of really good food that is always in such excess, we throw away trash can after trash can of the stuff every day, after every event, even after all the employees have stuffed themselves. The amount of waste we produce should be a crime! I always end up taking home/ eating too much of it. I know what went into it, at least. It is all from scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Well, some would say Jenny has done well having moved on from fake autism to fake cigarettes.

    (Ps I'm not saying autism is fake)
    Oy . . . whats she on the rampage about now?
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    Oy . . . whats she on the rampage about now?
    She doing blue e cigarettes commercials saying she is so happy to be able to smoke in public again.
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    She doing blue e cigarettes commercials saying she is so happy to be able to smoke in public again.
    Some places don't let you "smoke" those things, either. They still put off secondhand "vapor" with God-knows-what in it.

    I have been slowly but progressively shifting my diet away from processed prepared foods (the mainstays of college student diets and folks just getting on their feet/learning to fend for themselves). Moving to organic when possible, esp for "the dirty dozen" items and meat/dairy.

    Just signed up for a produce delivery service that offers mostly organic and locally-grown stuff. Selection varies as different things become seasonally available.

    Using less margarine and more real butter. My pantry has more spices and seasonings in it than it does processed packaged foods.

    I have lost 20lbs in the past few years eating this way and still dropping.

    I have some friends doing the paleo thing because they are in cross fit. It is ridiculous with certain restrictions (no legumes wtf?) and I won't have anything to do with it.

    I just eat as much whole food as I can. I look for things with low calorie density and high nutrient density and eat more of those. I don't eliminate high calorie density foods but I eat smaller portions of them.

    I drink unsweetened teas (usually looseleaf herbal, black, all kinds) and black coffee. I eat dark chocolate for my main indulgence. I had to force my taste buds to change because I did not like these things in the past.

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    I knew two brothers who BOTH lived past 90 years old. They both told me they ignored their doctors' orders to lower their cholesterol levels(both over 300), and ended-up OUTLIVING the docs! They said they were gonna die eating eggs, steak, butter and lobster......LOL.
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    Jee , if there is any area full of more bull**** than this one, I haven't seen it.

    Paleo diet has a basis that makes no sense. Who would want to eat foods that didn't give a population with an average life expectancy of 27 cancer.? I mean , seriously.

    You need to look at who lives longest, right now, we do really know what the impact of being overweight is, because the mortality data is lacking when it's a large proportion of the population .

    However, no one argues with the concept of looking towards the Mediterranean diet and all that it entails in order to live longer. The there is some level of calorific restriction that has some evidence as well.

    The countries that eat loads of processed foods live longest, as do the ones eating GM foods, and with intensive farming. Now we all know there are other factors at play, but calorific quantity probably has more to do with it than processed versus unprocessed .

    This is easy to see, as you must prepare unprocessed foods, and secondly you have waaaay less snacking opportunity with unprocessed foods. Your intake is therefore less, you lose weight, and thus have less diabetes , cancer CV disease etc.

    Fat intake and particularly cholesterol intake has been on the outer for 30 years - it's been known for a loooooong time that the body will make cholesterol from whatever it gives you, and that dietary fat is a small constituent of that problem. Any primary care doctor can tell you that from experience..

    If you are fat, eat protein first, chew it lots and eat slow so you get satiated . Then don't eat anymore! Read all you can about Mediterranean diet - what and how they it.

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    Pharmaboy (I do enjoy the irony in you username in this thread)

    --All very good thoughts. The Mediterranean diet is a good example of marketing. No one agrees what exactly it is except that all will believe it is good. It is a diet free of processed foods with an emphasis on local, seasonal ingredients. It is heavier in fat than most are led to believe. While the unsaturated fat content of olive oil gets the press, it is around 10% saturated fat as olive oil has one of the higher saturated fat contents of any common oil.

    --Mediterranean diet is essentially a paleo adaptation -- high vegetable content, simple cooking preparation, not-fat phobic, some meats. It does differ in that legumes and grains are included. A practical problem today is that since the time the Med diet came into prominence wheat is no longer wheat. Wheat today is genetically a different thing from wheat before Norman Borlaug's research (Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Even if you don't have Celiac disease, it is worth investigating the symptoms of gluten sensitivity.

    --Oxidation. This is perhaps the bigger story that nobody really talks about. It is damaged proteins that are problematic. Search pubmed for oxidized LDL. It is nasty and has far more experimental evidence that it is atherogenic than unmodified LDL--regardless of the particle size. Saturated fats oxidize less when heated. If you have ever tasted or smelled burned vegetable oil, you know that stuff can't be healthy (and it isn't...which is why you shouldn't cook with it).

    So I'm back to where I started -- just eat real food. Oils & fats that are naturally available (nuts, olives, avocados, butter) are on my list of things to eat. Saturated or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    So I'm back to where I started -- just eat real food. Oils & fats that are naturally available (nuts, olives, avocados, butter) are on my list of things to eat. Saturated or not.
    Agreed. Fats should be eaten as a package, it's how we evolved.
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    Heat all, I'll give you oxidation, and there are some strategies for that. The wheat thing however is doubtful. While wheat maybe vastly different genetically from a hundred years ago, the gluten sensitivity "disorder" that is flooding the modern populous is a problem of discovery. It's extremely recent, as in during my career of 20 years, coeliacs has gone from very uncommon and serious to bordering on the ubiquitous. Over this time period there has been no appreciable change in the genetic makeup of wheat.

    The Mediterranean diet is not marketing, but marketing has used the tag Mediterranean diet to sell stuff - a not so subtle difference .

    Food science is an amazing thing, the variety of foods we can get now, the quality of foods we can get cheaply is nothing short of life saving. All we could really do with now, is for Westerners to stop throwing so much away ( as my household does).

    Not that you have mentioned it, but issues like GM modified crops, are commented on constantly without any scientific basis, driven by fear and ignorance. I only mention it because someone I know who has gone all paleo on me, has very strong views on this issue as well, and was the driver to drop all condiments from their diet - man, what a boring food life they lead!

    Life is short, adding a year or 2 sounds like a great idea, but as someone with ageing parents and inlaws, I don't want to live to 90 thanks very much, eeking out a few more years at the end is low value, what you want to do, is extend your active years further forward and keep your brain functioning longer.

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    What exactly is saturated fat saturated with anyway? Like, fat juice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    What exactly is saturated fat saturated with anyway? Like, fat juice?
    Something to the effect of this
    Saturated fat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    They are relatively easy to spot in practice as they tend to be solid at room temperature (bacon grease, coconut oil).

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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    What exactly is saturated fat saturated with anyway? Like, fat juice?
    Salt! Like, pig sweat juice drowning your bacon. Yummy!

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    The....

    Sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    like a giant nuclear furnace
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    where hydrogen is converted into he-li-um
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    A place where you could live...

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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
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    My little sister's 6th grade science teacher taught the class that song. He was very proud of it. She sang it so incessantly, I learned it too.

    We were talking about Hydrogen and all... I thought it was appropriate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    My little sister's 6th grade science teacher taught the class that song. He was very proud of it. She sang it so incessantly, I learned it too.

    We were talking about Hydrogen and all... I thought it was appropriate...
    Can you record yourself singing it and post it here? Sounds interesting!

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    Saturated fat is back!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Can you record yourself singing it and post it here? Sounds interesting!
    X2. A song and a dance. I little methane finish at the end would be a nice touch too.
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    https://soundcloud.com/imaya-3/the-sun-is-hot

    You only get a song

    Usually, the kids SCREAMED 'hot' and 'not', but I decided to spare you guys from that part.

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    Saturated fat is back!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    https://soundcloud.com/imaya-3/the-sun-is-hot

    You only get a song

    Usually, the kids SCREAMED 'hot' and 'not', but I decided to spare you guys from that part.

    Not bad. Could we see it with the dance to see which is better?




    Are we done talking about saturated fats now?
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    It's a tricky dance that took countless eons to perfect...

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    I should leave it to the experts.


    Humans seem to be having a lot of trouble trying to get it down...
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    Spousal unit will now and then roast a duck - I grab every little bit of the drippings possible and make biscuits and gravy the next morning.

    So, so fatty delicious!
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    I have much to say on this but it is too early in my current "regime" to report back yet, give me a few weeks.

    In the interim I will add it is not just about inactivity, it is about portion size. Americans eat way too much. I'm sorry but there I have said it. My wife and I honeymooned in Canada and the US twenty years ago. We were both literally gobsmacked by the portion sizes that were put in front of us no matter where we ate. It was as if it was a competition to see who could put the most on the plate that was served to us. This has not changed and is sadly well and truly spreading to the rest of the "westernised" world.

    Cut back on your portion sizes and see what that does to your waste line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    I have much to say on this but it is too early in my current "regime" to report back yet, give me a few weeks.

    In the interim I will add it is not just about inactivity, it is about portion size. Americans eat way too much. I'm sorry but there I have said it. My wife and I honeymooned in Canada and the US twenty years ago. We were both literally gobsmacked by the portion sizes that were put in front of us no matter where we ate. It was as if it was a competition to see who could put the most on the plate that was served to us. This has not changed and is sadly well and truly spreading to the rest of the "westernised" world.

    Cut back on your portion sizes and see what that does to your waste line.
    This is truth. And to think, your experiences were 20 years ago . . . a lot has changes in 20 years (for the worse).
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    to see who could put the most on the plate that was served to us.
    We want our moneys worth, damn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishbucket View Post
    We want our moneys worth, damn it.
    See, now I agree . . . however, most people have come to equate cost with quantity, not quality.

    I'd rather pay $50 for an 8oz dry-aged, bone-in USDA Prime ribeye than a 24oz slab of Choice sirloin, though lots of people wouldn't feel that way.
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    All you can eat buffets plus unlimited refills on coca-cola = disaster

    The rolls and honey butter on the table is an entire daily intake of calories. People blow their calorie wad long before they even load up their *first* plate up with fried chicken, a ton of mashed potatoes and gravy, mac & cheese, etc.

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