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    Question for XP users

    With support of XP ending on April 8th, what are your plans for your computing needs. I've converted multiple XP computers for friends and family that aren't powerful enough for Windows 7 or 8 to Linux. I mostly use Elementary OS for the Linux newbs though I've used Linux Mint for a few as well. I personally am using Arch these days but it is not a newb distro.

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    I have a semi related question regarding XP, If the system is capable can W7 be installed over top XP given 32bit etc, etc??

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    Upgrading to Windows 7 will require a clean install so you must backup your files. IME you should have at least a 1.6ghz x86 processor and 2 gb of RAM to run 7. If you like to multi-task or use memory intensive programs you'll need better.

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    Why are these people hanging on to those old machines? There has to be a file converter for just about everything, why hang on to such an outdated comp? It would be better to wipe it and donate it to needy school children in Uganda or something.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Question for XP users

    I like XP because it is a whole lot more stable and less glitchy, in my experience. I have Win7 on my kids computer and it seems like I have to do a clean install every six months or so.


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    I had XP until my system finally died. Then I went to W7 which I really like. It reminds me of a better functioning XP. Now, I'm faced again with the need for a new system and the new one I have on standby has W8.1 on it. We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by askibum02 View Post
    I like XP because it is a whole lot more stable and less glitchy, in my experience. I have Win7 on my kids computer and it seems like I have to do a clean install every six months or so.


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    There's your answer right there. I've been on Windows 7 HP x64 for over 2 years and have never had that problem.
    I also turn off the most obvious security risks, like "Remote Access".
    Wait about 6 months after official support ends, and then see what happens to XP.
    I've seen what happens when Microsoft ends support for a OS in the past, and it isn't a pretty death.
    It's a slow and painful death...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Why are these people hanging on to those old machines? There has to be a file converter for just about everything, why hang on to such an outdated comp? It would be better to wipe it and donate it to needy school children in Uganda or something.
    Why buy a new one when you don't need to? All my computers are running 7 or bleh vista but when I do run linux i like Mint. Now that Steam is getting more linux friendly I might start switching over starting with my vista machine.

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    If they are not willing to purchase a new PC for windows 7 then I would install linux on it, I run Linux mint myself and love it. It's not a gaming OS as you are well aware but to can breath new life into an old PC. Windows 8 sucks and no matter how MS tried to sugar coat it they made a huge blunder with this OS. I do this for a living and none of the machines or servers are going to be using any new MS OS. Server 2012 has the same F'ed up interface as windows 8. Why MS just WHY?

    Report is a new OS from MS is coming soon as the hatred for widnows 8 is forcing their hand LOL
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    I've had good results loading windows 7 on older computers, even some that are 8 - 9 years old. Make sure the computer has max ram installed though. Two computers, I replaced the hard drive with a ssd and loaded windows 7 onto the ssd. That along with max ram the motherboard will hold has resulted in a very nicely performing computer for most computing needs. If you are rendering HD video or anything like that, don't bother with this solution, but for regular users, it's all the computer you'll need.

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    Yes the trick there is ram and SSD drive, with out those updates it would funner to pull your teeth out then wait for the pc to boot up lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    I had XP until my system finally died. Then I went to W7 which I really like. It reminds me of a better functioning XP. Now, I'm faced again with the need for a new system and the new one I have on standby has W8.1 on it. We shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canker View Post
    Why buy a new one when you don't need to? All my computers are running 7 or bleh vista but when I do run linux i like Mint. Now that Steam is getting more linux friendly I might start switching over starting with my vista machine.
    Linux Mint is an excellent replacement for XP and Vista, and Steam is making gaming on Linux providing more and more gaming opportunities. You might just look at Steam OS when it is finalized (in Beta right now) if you have a gaming specific box.

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    I should add that for some of the older motherboards, I could not get the board to recognize the SSD, and had to go back to using an old style hard drive. Still worked OK though with the standard HD. Those old Pentium 4 processors may be very slow by today's standards, but they still are plenty fast enough for most applications so long as you give them enough ram to work with.

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    While I agree that if you do nothing but surf the web and use word, you can probably get away with installing a new OS on an old machine. Also, it certainly can be a fun hobby to goof around with an old computer by installing Linux. As long as it was a good computer several years ago and it doesn't have hardware problems, go ahead, have your fun and install a new OS. I have an older Toshiba running Millenium, remember that trash bucket of an OS? My current laptop shipped with Vista, but it was a ram hog and I installed 7 Ultimate years ago with no issues. I've been happy with Win7. I've heard good and bad about 8, I think those with a touch screen have been happy, but it could be the touch tech is really the only thing they actually notice. There's a co-worker in a different lab in my building whose been installing server processors in his old desktops, but it's his hobby. His work laptop is up to date and the specs are waaay better than mine. For those who know what they are doing, installing a new OS and drivers is no big deal, it's just time consuming. For those who do not, I think they are better off buying a new machine. There are bound to be ridiculous deals out there for laptops older then 1 year that are just sitting on a shelf somewhere. We do have some controller computers, not intended for net or work use, that will continue to run XP because the cost to replace the software, computer and machine is cost prohibitive. That's it though, other than that the entire university's IT dept has not supported XP for a while now. XP is now the 4th oldest MS OS, time to move on.
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    It's not that easy in all businesses, I work in the auto industry and I have a ton of old crap I have to maintain. Presses and the alike which still load the OS off a floppy disk. Shit I still have a data logger running windows95.

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    When was the last time you called MS for support of XP? Support is ending doesn't computer is just going to stop working after that date.

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    Running XP programs on Linux is easy with WINE, it's the newer stuff (Windows 7 era software) that is hit or mix. So if you have specific software you like to run on your XP machine, you can still run it on Linux and it will probably run faster.

    FYI-everyone who posts on MTBR is using Linux...their servers run CentOS which is a generic version of Red Hat.

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    All my MS servers at work run in VMWare.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    When was the last time you called MS for support of XP? Support is ending doesn't computer is just going to stop working after that date.
    No it won't stop working, but security patches that you are sent from MS will stop coming. They will no longer be monitoring for issues and XP is a well documented security sieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    When was the last time you called MS for support of XP? Support is ending doesn't computer is just going to stop working after that date.
    The issue is not that the computer will up and quit. It will be the absence of updates and security fixes which will make the comp running XP more vulnerable to viruses. In addition, new software releases may not work on the older OSes. For instance, most newer comps will be utilizing 64bit, 32bit software may run on 64bit OS, but not the other way round.

    I see I was a little late in responding, BW's got it.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    It's not that easy in all businesses, I work in the auto industry and I have a ton of old crap I have to maintain. Presses and the alike which still load the OS off a floppy disk. Shit I still have a data logger running windows95.
    I replaced 2 controller comps running 95 for XP a couple years ago. They are being used as controller/data loggers for growth chambers. I wanted to go to 7, but the software was untested on 7 and I didn't want to go through the hassle since gc duties are only a portion of my workload.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Most older PCs will run 7 just fine. If the PC was a quality machine in the first place, like a Core 2 Duo and has 4 gig of RAM it will probably run fine.
    Some of the OEMs have been spreading BS about whether 7 will run on a particular PC.
    Dell is a good example, they claimed that 7 wouldn't run on the XPS 410s and people quickly found out that Dell was full of carp.
    Myth: Vista is a memory hog.
    Truth: fully loaded up, 7 also uses about 1.3 gig of RAM folks.
    Vista will also run older programs unlike 7 and with patches runs just fine.
    That being said I'm on 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericmopar View Post
    Myth: Vista is a memory hog.
    Truth: fully loaded up, 7 also uses about 1.3 gig of RAM folks.
    Vista will also run older programs unlike 7 and with patches runs just fine.
    It was just my observation with my machine, probably due more to the HP bloat ware. It was much better after I modified the boot menu, but I still like 7 more. I'm surprised to hear that Vista will run programs that 7 won't. I thought, and may be wrong, that 7 was built on Vista architecture. However, Vista did follow XP and so perhaps it was written with more carry over functionality.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Vista IS a memory hog, worse than 7. I work in the industry, I've seen it firsthand.
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    Yeah it was like Winme it either work Like a charm or sucked goats balls.

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    I still run a 2000 box.

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    Windows 2000? Really?
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    Really. Not saying it's the only OS I run.

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    The problem with upgrading those older machine to Win 7 is buying Win 7, well unless you pirate a copy. Don't want to spend the bucks to upgrade the OS on an old POS. That is were linux is nice. There may not be a lot of big steam games working in linux yet but if you are working with old hardware I doubt that is an issue anyway.

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    Exaxtly, most people do email , banking, surf and check out social media sites for that an old box and linux works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Why are these people hanging on to those old machines? There has to be a file converter for just about everything, why hang on to such an outdated comp? It would be better to wipe it and donate it to needy school children in Uganda or something.
    If it ain't broke, don't fix it. All I do on my computer is web browse, type reports, and watch porn, it's not like I need a state of the art system to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    Agreed, but when the comp starts going, don't pay someone to put a new OS on it or fix it, put the money towards a more capable machine. If you can do the work yourself, more power to ya'. I will also say that a newer machine will have a better screen and aspect ratio, graphics capability, and sound for your pron and quite possibly an HDMI port to connect to your TV. It may not be broke, but you still have options.
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    Here's another thought , juat buy a Mac. Mines 6 years old and runs as good as the day I bought it. Say what you will about apple but my OS update are cheaper and have sped up my machine, not made it slower.

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    Here's another thought , juat buy a Mac. Mines 6 years old and runs as good as the day I bought it. Say what you will about apple but my OS update are cheaper and have sped up my machine, not made it slower.

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    Here's another thought , just buy a Mac.
    For the price of a Mac you can buy two new PCs or several copies of Windows 7 or Windows 8.
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    Question for XP users

    Win 7 works a treat win 8 is a pile of utter shite.


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    Continuing to use XP is not so bad, particularly if you use Mozilla as the default browser. Win 7 is reasonably good except for the brain damaged & handcuffed security garbage. Hasta La Vista was terrible and so is Win 8 (metro is a steaming pile of whale excrement).

    I started with C=64 and then CP/M machines before Billy G bought the rights and created the initially super-lame DOS.

    I met Linus Torvalds in 1995 and have used Linux as a server platform ever since (Slackware on floppies... man that was something). Desktop Linux is a bit unwieldy in my opinion... get a Mac if you want BSD lite 4.4 Unix under the hood and a wide selection of standard apps like Photoshop, MS Office, etc.

    I started using OS X when it came out in 2001 and have purchased either used (from eBay early on) or (now all) Apple factory refurbs both at home and work ever since. Took me 6 years to get my family members to switch (after having to rebuild their PC's ~10 times due to some form of infestation- even with AV and other protection installed and up to date).

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    Win 7 is reasonably good except for the brain damaged & handcuffed security garbage.
    I have been using Windows 7 for years and have no idea of what you are talking about. You mean the box that pops up when you want to install something or the security center alerts? Both are easily turned off in control panel with a few clicks.
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    My desktop Mac has eaten 3 hard drives now. My PowerBook battery is so distorted, it presses on the inside of the touchpad rendering it useless.
    Hard drives die in any system and same with batteries. I use Dell at work and you can count on day 366 battery dies on the laptops. As far as hardware apple uses the same as everyone else, its the OS I prefer.

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    As far as hardware apple uses the same as everyone else
    Then why does Apple charge an arm and leg for their computers?
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    When I bought my mac pro it was 2400 bucks, a comparable Dell WS was 2800. What bought was cheaper, but today I get what your saying the imacs are pricy.

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    Years ago Apple defined a price point they believed to be the ideal, which was 1000. It has only gone up since then. The real answer to your question is simply that they can. It is true that the current machines have pretty much the same hardware manufacturers as everyone else. However, they try to exert more control over the process to increase quality and set their own specs for manufacturers as well. Also, they spend a ton on advertising and they do it well, which is not cheap.
    Having said that and grown up in a house that used both Mac and PC, I drink the PC kool-aid. Mostly because I am more familiar with MS OS at this point, but I have many other reasons.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    As far as hardware apple uses the same as everyone else, its the OS I prefer.
    OS X is easy to use but the way Apple controls their software, they make Windows look like a free and open operating system. Even if I owned a Mac I'd put Linux in it, I like to do what I want to do when I want to do it with my software. Plus, OS X is actually much less secure than Windows...its only protection over the years has been lack of users using it, which is no longer the case.

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    Actually OSX is really secure. It's based on BSD and Unix. Really hard to get a virus or malware on those systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    Hard drives die in any system and same with batteries. I use Dell at work and you can count on day 366 battery dies on the laptops. As far as hardware apple uses the same as everyone else, its the OS I prefer.
    I've had more drives die in this Mac than any of my past and present PC's all together.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Actually OSX is really secure. It's based on BSD and Unix. Really hard to get a virus or malware on those systems.
    The first viruses were for unix...

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    Running a Windows box with a quad core CPU, 8GB of RAM, etc. I assembled it myself in 08. First, it ran Vista, but I installed 7 Ultimate 64 bit shortly after it came out. It worked more smoothly, but it took a little time for the hardware mfr's to release stable drivers for it. Especially NVIDIA. I dunno what their problem was, but after the issues I had with an NVIDIA card on my laptop (which killed the laptop), I don't think I'll be buying their graphics adapters anymore.

    When I built this thing, I spent less than half as much as a comparable Mac would have cost.

    Not to mention, with the work I do (geographic information systems), OSX doesn't have the options that Windows does. OSX even has more options than Linux, so I'm pretty roped into the Windows universe whether I like it or not.

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    I run everything at home, windows7 dual booting with linux mint 16 and I have a mac pro 2006 and a 2010 mac pro laptop. I only use windows to game, all my surfing and banking is done in linux. The mac is going into my basement workshop so I can wall mount it and use it for howto vids and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    ....... Say what you will about apple but my OS update are cheaper......

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    Cheaper than free MS updates including service packs? Didn't know anything could be cheaper than free

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    I think he's talking about newer OS versions and not updates to the same OS. Having said that I don't know how much Apple charges for an OS update since I don't own one.

    Also, I don't believe Apple is all that secure, they are regularly hacked in moments at hacker contests. I agree with BW that the reason the OS appears more secure is that the market share is slim compared to MS. I'm not comparing HP, Dell, or Sony to Apple. I'm simply comparing the OSs, MS to Apple. The vast majority of business, especially big business where a hacker would have the most interest, are using MS OS. As market share will increase in both the private and public sectors, I believe we will see more malware written for Apple OS. Although, it will probably never be as bad as it is for Android.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    In move of because the herd as fast and weakest and we as attacks the general selection is human brain can brain cells, consumption of but nates the weaker and whole general speed for the slowest brain cells of brain a faster brain cells of all know, kills, because this way, regular consumption is natural selection is way, regular culling by the slowest only as that the brain cells. In the slowest are efficient members. Excessive intakest as first. In more efficient members. Excessive of alcohol
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    You mean Apple doesn't charge you an arm and a leg for putting software rights restrictions in the Linux kernel they've hacked? How philanthropic....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Actually OSX is really secure. It's based on BSD and Unix. Really hard to get a virus or malware on those systems.
    At it's core it is BSD based, but it has long since diverged away from the BSD model. Don't believe the Apple PR machine, they are all smoke and mirrors!

    The more closed source an operating system is, the less secure it is. This has been proven over and over again. But don't believe me, the UK just tested the security of Windows 8, OS X, and Ubuntu 12.04...and they found Ubuntu to be WAY ahead of the other two.

    UK's security branch says Ubuntu most secure end-user OS | ZDNet

    FYI-I have been using Linux for over 6 years as my primary OS with no anti-virus and have not once gotten a virus, Trojan horse, or had any data breach. I've used XP and 7 at work where we can't go to any type of website that would likely have viruses...and yet I get one (as well as my coworkers) on average every six months or so despite firewalls, anti-virus, and restricted internet access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishbucket View Post
    In move of because the herd as fast and weakest and we as attacks the general selection is human brain can brain cells, consumption of but nates the weaker and whole general speed for the slowest brain cells of brain a faster brain cells of all know, kills, because this way, regular consumption is natural selection is way, regular culling by the slowest only as that the brain cells. In the slowest are efficient members. Excessive intakest as first. In more efficient members. Excessive of alcohol
    You lost me Fishbucket. I hope this doesn't mean your dad is worse.
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    BW, you don't use any virus scanner at all? How do you verify you've never had a virus? Are you just looking at the code? My inquiring mind wants to know and follow suit.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    I have been using Linux in one form or another since I would say 95, 96ish. Debian , suse , Redhat , yellowdog, gentoo, mandrake, Ubuntu , mandrake and now mint. It's fast and secure hence why I use it for surfing and banking. If you take the time to learn which is not hard now since all apps are pre compiled for your distro and you have repositores and installers. It's just as easy to use as windows or a mac .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    I have been using Linux in one form or another since I would say 95, 96ish. Debian , suse , Redhat , yellowdog, gentoo, mandrake, Ubuntu , mandrake and now mint. It's fast and secure hence why I use it for surfing and banking. If you take the time to learn which is not hard now since all apps are pre compiled for your distro and you have repositores and installers. It's just as easy to use as windows or a mac .

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    FYI-I have been using Linux for over 6 years as my primary OS with no anti-virus and have not once gotten a virus, Trojan horse, or had any data breach.
    I've been using Windows for years without a virus or malware. I just have very good browsing habits and am very picky about what I download and from where. I could never use Linux as my main OS. Why? I wrote about it...

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    I've been using Windows for years without a virus or malware. I just have very good browsing habits and am very picky about what I download and from where. I could never use Linux as my main OS. Why? I wrote about it...

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    I read your blog and all are valid points but one. KDE destop is way nicer looking than any windows theme. You want to spice it up comptiz fuzion is a crazy enhancent app. Makes windows blinds looks like childs play. You can also run virtualbox to run windows7 and the apps you need then shut it down. For gaming well its windows or a console, I got no linux answer for that one.

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    Yeah KDE is nice if it wasn't for the fact that almost every included app has a name that starts with a K. Annoying. Anyhow, I'll stick to Windows.
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    Names that start with K suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Whisperer View Post
    OS X is easy to use but the way Apple controls their software, they make Windows look like a free and open operating system. Even if I owned a Mac I'd put Linux in it, I like to do what I want to do when I want to do it with my software. Plus, OS X is actually much less secure than Windows...its only protection over the years has been lack of users using it, which is no longer the case.
    This is true. Macs are not more secure. Especially since Apple based OS' have ended up all over the place on iphones. They hack them like crazy, because so many people do their online banking etc on them now.
    The fact that Macs have been comparatively safe in the past is strictly based on lack of users.
    Hackers do not want to bother with only 3% of the market.
    When online banking and managing other things became popular on smart phones of any kind, then the hackers started switching their primary target.
    BTW, that bit of info came from someone that used to be a startup programmer for Apple.
    Technically speaking, the myth of Apples invincibility is completely false. Do to a lack of interest in the past, because people thought Macs are virus and malware proof, there have been few security patches.
    Unix is not harder to get a malware program on, it's just not as common, so hackers don't want to waste the effort on such a small part of the market.
    That bit of info came from someone that worked with Unix for his whole career in Silicon Valley, at Unisys.
    I'm online with 7 HP x 64 all the time and have only ever had two malware attacks, Zedo and Conduit. Both got traced to using TVGuid.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Whisperer View Post
    I people had to do a clean install of Windows when they purchased new computers it would be DOA...what a PITA, 4 hours of my life wasted

    Average Linux install...20 minutes (pure Arch, LFS, and Gentoo excluded)
    I was just having a conversation about this with my uncle who works in Silicon Valley as an engineer. We both agreed it's not Microsoft's fault.
    The reason is this. The OEMs like Dell, HP, Lenovo and the list goes on, tamper and hack the Windows OS and foul it up. When we build our own, with Windows XX OEM disks as the OS, which means no bloat ware or stupid crap OS mods, there are no issues. It also has to do with OEM mobo BIOS and other factors.
    I was discussing this in one of my gaming forums with friends, and we all agree home-built PCs are way cheaper, reliable, flexible. Generic drivers from Intel and hardware manufacturers are way more reliable on a home-built versus OEM crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    BW, you don't use any virus scanner at all? How do you verify you've never had a virus? Are you just looking at the code? My inquiring mind wants to know and follow suit.
    No, I don't use active virus protection. I do use ClamAV to scan my drives on occasion and in six years nothing.
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    Also because there are multiple file formats in Linux, viruses would have to be written for each one. For instance Red Hat file structure might be attacked due to its server popularity but this would leave non rpm distros completely unaffected. For home use Debian based distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint) might have a virus but it would not affect distros that do not use the deb file structure. Since rpm and deb distros have the most use in home and server applications, running Arch, Gentoo, or Slackware (all intermediate to advanced systems) leaves you almost immune to viruses.
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