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    pit bull passion

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    Saving Cadence - an abused Pit Bull shows us the power of second chances. Please share. - YouTube

    I have a rescue pit from NYC, he now has a home in the country and loves to run the trails with me.
    Anyone else have a love for the pit bulls? I know they get a bad rap, but man they are just loving dogs.
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    Pitbulls are among the sweetest dogs I've encountered, even under one year old they are not much of butt heads like other breeds. It's the dumb owners who ruin the dogs. A friend of mine has 3 pit rescue, they are quiet, sweet, and very respectful.

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    I owned one. Never had a problem with her, she was great with my kids. Just had to make sure she was on a tight leash around cats and small animals.
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    Anyone who likes dogs and doesn't pits lets propaganda and fear control reality.
    Most pits can be summed up in a few words. Loyal, powerful, courageous, eager to please, with an amazing threshold for pain. Unfortunately that's a dangerous combo if you're an @sshole and want your dog to be one also.
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    They are great dogs if treated right.

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    English and American Staffies are the most popular dog here in Aus, im a massive fan of them, the greatest dog breed on earth imo.
    Over the last few years the American pits have copped a bad wrap and are banned in a few places which is a real pitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    English and American Staffies which is a real pitty.
    Good question Tones. Hmmmmm...

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    I shed a tear watching that video. At 32 years old I still get excited just to be around dogs like a little kid does. I am currently helping to try and find a home for my neighbors Rottweiler because his ex-wife is trying to use it as a pawn in a custody battle by claiming it's a danger for his girls. I guess it could lick them too much because that's all he does. If it comes down to it the pooch will be staying with me and my wife until a good home is found. We just both work all day so it's not fair for us to take him for good.

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    Pit Bulls although they were bread for fighting really are actually very nice smart dogs. It all depends on how the owner treats them. Years ago I had a roommate that had one. He was an extremely smart and friendly dog. And he was one of the largest Pits I have ever seen. He would ride in the passenger side seat of my buddy's pickup truck. Just like a person and rest his arm on the arm rest. No hanging his head out the window like other dogs. His favorite pass time was hilarious. His owner would drive him to the country and find a field full of cattle. Let BUTCH go and off he ran. Right up behind one and bite it's rear leg gently right where the hamstring is, and the cow would fall down. Then he would sprint to the next one and repeat. It was all in fun and he never harmed the cows just startled them. I have many funny
    memories of that dog having lived with him for a
    year or so. One time my two roommates and I left town for the weekend. We left him in the house
    with food and water. And full access to the garage
    to go the bathroom. He never before went in the
    house but either in the back yard or the garage.
    Well we returned and out of spite for us leaving
    him that dog took several craps around our dining
    room table. He knew where we ate tell me that's
    not intelligence.


    Well as I said earlier he was an extremely large
    beautiful pit. Large chest and all muscle. The ideal
    Pit that the jackasses look for to fight.
    Unfortunately his size worked against him in life.
    My roommate ended up moving back to his
    parents house. A huge lakeside rich home.
    Someone broke into that beautiful home and stole
    that dog and nothing else. Never to be seen again.
    The consensus was that he was stolen for fighting.
    He was so friendly that he would have allowed
    someone to take him. I miss BUTCH he was an
    awesome dog and my point is even though they
    are bread for fighting the main thing is how they
    are treated, that is the product you end up with. If
    you mistreat them they have the bread in fighting
    power to do some serious damage. Unfortunately
    the majority of Pit owners are young males that
    think it's a macho dog to have. They mistreat them, and before you know it someone gets bit.
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    pit bull passion

    I'm around dogs on a daily basis, around here most of my customers have dogs big and small. Most big ones are usually pretty good as the owners would not let them get away with bad behaviors, especially ones that would get them sued.

    It's always the little ones that misbehaved. People who fears dogs always have something bad to say about big or "dangerous" breeds. I've never seen a misbehaved Dane, Newfie, Rotti, or German Shepard because most owners would not let them get away with it.

    That said there are many dumb owners who are not ready or ill prepare to even own a Chihuahua


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    Why is it that this breed is responsible for so many terrifying attacks and killings? Somebody please help me understand. The breed is not even allowed on our property by the owner of my building. That's how bad it's gotten for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Why is it that this breed is responsible for so many terrifying attacks and killings? Somebody please help me understand. The breed is not even allowed on our property by the owner of my building. That's how bad it's gotten for them.
    Because they were bread to fight so it is in them. Then the majority of owners are young males that buy that breed to be macho. They have no means owning a dog of any breed. Then they mistreat them and that's where the fighting instinct comes out and someone gets hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Because they were bread to fight so it is in them. Then the majority of owners are young males that buy that breed to be macho. They have no means owning a dog of any breed. Then they mistreat them and that's where the fighting instinct comes out and someone gets hurt.
    If that's the explanation for the attacks, then the owners are all liars because every single one of them claims that their dog was the sweetest dog in the world. Then some innocent lady comes walking by, the dog escapes and it chews her face off, or even worse, the dog turns on the owner's child and we all know how that usually turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    If that's the explanation for the attacks, then the owners are all liars because every single one of them claims that their dog was the sweetest dog in the world. Then some innocent lady comes walking by, the dog escapes and it chews her face off, or even worse, the dog turns on the owner's child and we all know how that usually turns out.
    Yeah we could discuss this back and forth forever. It's in the breed to be a fighter and you can't retard hundreds of years of bloodline developement. So even a well kept loved Pit could turn in the right situation. But the majority of the ones that do are from neglected households. Of course when one attacks the owners are going to say "oh he was such a sweet dog". Anything to protect their ass.
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    Some people mistreated the pitbull, many are treated like a human babies, which is wrong. Dogs are not human, they are not capable of reasoning. They love to please us. Stupid ones always love to let their pitbull do what they want to do, not exercise or properly train the dogs, and fail to keep them secure. Some got out and roaming the street in a pack and killed an old lady a few months ago here in SoCal. I hold the owner fully responsible for the act.

    Humans and dogs can only peacefully coexist when the dogs are in the follower role. Human society cannot allow dogs to bark, growl, snap at, or bite another human in order to tell them they are not happy with what they are doing. If our dogs get away and are running in the streets, it cannot be the dog who decides when they must come back. We cannot let the dog decide when it is OK for us to leave for work. We cannot let the dog decide who is allowed to walk into your home and who is not. We cannot let the dog decide who is allowed to touch "their" ball or sit in "their" chair.

    Dogs are social animal, with very complex hierarchy, I rank my puppies this way start from highest Baby/kids, elderly, female, male, puppies, another dog. My dogs approach kids very slowly, like it's asking for permission to come on board, regardless of how excited the kids. My dogs are never allowed to approach infant, it's the ultimate respect as they are the highest ranking Alpha.

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    Oh let me add in although I wrote a story above of a Pit I lived with. He was all sweet and gave no untrusting signs ever towards humans. I was still fearful of him knowing what he was capable of if he did turn. I love all dogs unless they give me a reason not to. But even knowing of a couple loving Pits I would by no means trust any unfamilier ones. The problem is this breed should never have been created by humans. But they are here and all we can do now if we choose to own one is show love and respect. So they stay as loving as they are as pups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    If that's the explanation for the attacks, then the owners are all liars because every single one of them claims that their dog was the sweetest dog in the world. Then some innocent lady comes walking by, the dog escapes and it chews her face off, or even worse, the dog turns on the owner's child and we all know how that usually turns out.
    Dogs are pack animal, they would not bite a pack member, at least not in the protective way. They may bite, when they feel you step out of line and not acting like a good follower, the same way they treat their lower ranking pack members. It takes a lot of work to train and socialize your puppy in order for them to fit in our world. Once you get the behavior you want in one place say, inside your house, then it's time to move on and prove in other areas like back yard, front yard, public places, etc. Once the hard work pays off your dogs will behaving the same everywhere.

    One thing about pitbull and dog fight, as I would not be scared of a dog fighting pitbull not one bit because that's not what they are trained to do.

    The people fighting the Pitbull are looking for dogs with dog aggression. NOT human aggression. When a dog fighter has a "good" fighting dog, the dog's aggression is toward other dogs, not humans. Dog fighters must be able to step into the ring and pull their dog off without their dog turning around and attacking them. They must be able to have their dog in a room full of betting bystanders without the dog attacking the humans. It is a myth that Pitbulls are bred to attack people. The thugs train them to fight other dogs, not humans.

    The media will do anything to sell a story and they use the Pitbull for ratings. Here are just a few examples. I was once reading an article about a Border Collie who killed a child, yet the pictures in the article were all pictures of vicious Pitbulls. In another story, a pack of four dogs hunted down and killed a human. The news only showed pictures of one of the four dogs. The one they showed was, you guessed it, a Pitbull. They never showed the other dogs in the pack, which were clearly not Pitbulls. Another time I was watching the news and there was a story of a Bull Terrier that had bitten a person. The media called the dog a Pitbull. Bull Terriers are an AKC-recognized breed and are clearly NOT Pitbulls. There was a story of a Pomeranian killing a 6-week-old baby; however, that story did not get as much media coverage because the dog was not a Pitbull. The media's attempt to create a panic over a dog breed is sadly working. I was reading a story of a Jack Russell Terrier that had jumped into a newborn baby's cradle and killed it. All of the comments below the article were of how bad Pitbulls were. The Jack Russell got a pass.

    Most dog bites do not come from Pitbulls, but rather small and medium sized dogs. A large percentage of bites go unreported because the bite did not require medical attention. Pitbulls are strong and when they bite, like all large-breed dogs, the bite is bigger, causing more damage. If we were to only look at dog attacks coming from non-criminal owners, the percentage of Pitbull attacks drops dramatically to where it would be less of an issue than Labrador Retriever attacks.

    Irresponsible owners are to blame for the dogs attack, not the dogs raised to be that way. Every dog owners should step up and take the responsibility and stop blaming the breeds or species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Oh let me add in although I wrote a story above of a Pit I lived with. He was all sweet and gave no untrusting signs ever towards humans. I was still fearful of him knowing what he was capable of if he did turn. I love all dogs unless they give me a reason not to. But even knowing of a couple loving Pits I would by no means trust any unfamilier ones. The problem is this breed should never have been created by humans. But they are here and all we can do now if we choose to own one is show love and respect. So they stay as loving as they are as pups.
    I give most credits to the co-existence and creation of many dog breeds to the success of human civilization. Without dogs human would not settle into one place. Dog guard the farm, livestock, and provide protection. As recent as some ten thousand years ago the population of human were about the same as wolf only about a million. Look at where we are now. Did you know? Dogs don't communicate by barking, it's the language that they created to communicate with us. How cool is that?

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    I like cats, but I need to have some protection for my house, so I am working on a cat/pit cross that will satisfy all my requirements... I will let you all know how I get on...
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    It does look like it's been done, or at least tried, before...


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    This is kind of what I'm hoping for...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Why is it that this breed is responsible for so many terrifying attacks and killings? Somebody please help me understand. The breed is not even allowed on our property by the owner of my building. That's how bad it's gotten for them.
    Pits are simply the current 'tuff guy' thug dog. there's nothing inherently bad about the breed.

    1. Tuff guy wants an aggressive HUGE dog.

    2. Backyard breeders breed for aggression and size.

    3. Tuff guy gets huge aggressive dog.

    4. Rinse/repeat and you get a large number of purpose bred aggressive/unpredictable dogs that are treated as a status symbol...

    Unfortunately it is impossible to "see" if a pittie (or any other dog) falls into the backyard aggro breeder category..and when a large fighting breed bites cats, other dogs, or little kids, they get maimed or killed

    Same thing happened with German shepherds, Rottweilers (the movie the Omen I think brought Rotties out), Dobermans, etc....

    And to be honest my kidlets (2 and 4) are never left alone with any breed of dog larger than them....simply because little kids are super unpredictable..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I like cats, but I need to have some protection for my house, so I am working on a cat/pit cross that will satisfy all my requirements... I will let you all know how I get on...
    get one of these...

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    pretty sure they'll simply eat pit bulls...tires....lawnmowers...trees...burglars...e tc....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
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    pretty sure they'll simply eat pit bulls...tires....lawnmowers...trees...burglars...e tc....

    Hmm, not too sure about the red dress thing, I may have to buy him some jeans or something...
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    Pit bulls are like the Chuck Norris of dogs -- even bullets are afraid to touch them!


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    i would have never wanted a pit bull because of the stigma thing, but when our lab dies we got one from a rescue, he is an incredible dog. it took a little while with the kids for me to get comfortable, but i can say i trust him as much as i would any dog.
    Tons of energy!!! you can see how strong these dogs are when playing with a pull toy..man! for some reason Im not able to upload pics...??
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkad View Post
    i would have never wanted a pit bull because of the stigma thing, but when our lab dies we got one from a rescue, he is an incredible dog. it took a little while with the kids for me to get comfortable, but i can say i trust him as much as i would any dog.
    Tons of energy!!! you can see how strong these
    dogs are when playing with a pull toy..man! for
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    Yep all muscle. Whatever they are biting on you can pick them up by it. The Pit I talked about earlier would get over our 6' fence. He would jump straup from the bottom, no running start. He couldn't quite make it the whole way up. But he would get his front legs high enough to lock his wrist joint over the top. He would then do a pull up like a human and climb over. Freaking an amazing thing to watch. But the cats on the other side didn't appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post

    Yep all muscle. Whatever they are biting on you can pick them up by it. The Pit I talked about earlier would get over our 6' fence. He would jump straup from the bottom, no running start. He couldn't quite make it the whole way up. But he would get his front legs high enough to lock his wrist joint over the top. He would then do a pull up like a human and climb over. Freaking an amazing thing to watch. But the cats on the other side didn't appreciate it.

    I had a couple Maine Coons...pretty cool cats. I was fond of them.

    Neighbors dogs broke into my backyard and killed them. Those 2 dogs were put down by animal control the same day...

    So be careful where your pooches roam, and what they want to chew on - All a neighbor has to do is make 1 phone call and your pet gets taken away...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    I had a couple Maine Coons...pretty cool cats. I was fond of them.

    Neighbors dogs broke into my backyard and killed them. Those 2 dogs were put down by animal control the same day...

    So be careful where your pooches roam, and what they want to chew on - All a neighbor has to do is make 1 phone call and your pet gets taken
    away...
    Yup CHUM no worries here, that story was about a roommates dog I lived with 30 years ago.
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    I had a neighbour who owned 2 Pit Bulls. The first time I met him him, he was walking his leashed dogs in a residential area. I was alone and he made a point of saying how friendly and well behaved his dogs were. The dogs sniffed my hand and I petted both and we carried on in our separate directions

    The next time I met him walking his dogs, I was walking my little Jack Russell, Rocky (who was about 10 years old). I kept Rocky close to me but on the other side of his dogs. We were about 20 away and those 2 pits went nuts. They growled and lunged at us. Little Rocky barked back, but he sure wouldn't be any match. The pit bull owner had to use all his strength to control his dogs, I immediately crossed the street. The PBs kept growling and he kept wrestling to control them.

    I didn't see that guy and his dogs very much after that... not sure if he moved out of the neighbourhood or got rid of his dogs.

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    can i ask? why are pitbulls popular? i always hear the same thing "they are great dogs".

    So are mutts, labs, goldens, hounds, etc. A pit is not better than any of those dogs. i totally appreciate when somebody adopts a rescue pit, as i'm appreciative of any rescue.

    however, when a breed becomes popular or trendy, it "hurts" shelter dogs who are not being adopted, when instead, breeders are bringing more dogs into the world. Trendy breeds hurt dogs all around.

    that being said, i've never personally met a pitbull that was aggressive to humans. however, i've seen a large amount of aggression on other dogs from PBs.

    can you always blame the owner? Maybe, and maybe not. Some dogs are just born more aggressive, just like some people.. i've known perfectly good friendly people who have had to get rid of their pits because of dog-on-dog problems. These were NOT bad thug owners who beat their pits. I do think pits need to be socialized a little different. they are not inherently bad, but they made need a specific sort of training that a Lab might not. which brings me back to the trendy part. most people want a normal family dog that takes almost not social training or work. But then they get these dogs that NEED that.
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    We've got 2 pits, both were rescues. The one we had before that was too. I trust them as much as I trust any dog. Actually I trust them more because they are my dogs and I know them but that's beside the point. Any breed is going to have good dogs and bad dogs. I'm probably not going to convince anybody either way. I will say that every pitbull owner I've ever known loves their loyal friend. All the people that are negative on the breed, have never owned one and have based their opinion on hearsay and sensationalized news should STFU. IMHO or course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    I had a neighbour who owned 2 Pit Bulls. The first time I met him him, he was walking his leashed dogs in a residential area. I was alone and he made a point of saying how friendly and well behaved his dogs were. The dogs sniffed my hand and I petted both and we carried on in our separate directions

    The next time I met him walking his dogs, I was walking my little Jack Russell, Rocky (who was about 10 years old). I kept Rocky close to me but on the other side of his dogs. We were about 20 away and those 2 pits went nuts. They growled and lunged at us. Little Rocky barked back, but he sure wouldn't be any match. The pit bull owner had to use all his strength to control his dogs, I immediately crossed the street. The PBs kept growling and he kept wrestling to control them.

    I didn't see that guy and his dogs very much after that... not sure if he moved out of the neighbourhood or got rid of his dogs.

    There are good responsible dog owners but dogs are dogs and pet owners should never forget that.
    Judy I'm glad little Rocky made it through that uncathed to enjoy the rest of his life a happy little guy with you and Chris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    can i ask? why are pitbulls popular? i always hear the same thing "they are great dogs".

    So are mutts, labs, goldens, hounds, etc. A pit is not better than any of those dogs. i totally appreciate when somebody adopts a rescue pit, as i'm appreciative of any rescue.

    can you always blame the owner? Maybe, and maybe not. Some dogs are just born more aggressive, just like some people.. i've known perfectly good friendly people who have had to get rid of their pits because of dog-on-dog problems. These were NOT bad thug owners who beat their pits. I do think pits need to be socialized a little different. they are not inherently bad, but they made need a specific sort of training that a Lab might not. which brings me back to the trendy part. most people want a normal family dog that takes almost not social training or work. But then they get these dogs that NEED that.
    IMO, Pitbulls are pretty much the smallest, and cheapest "iconic" you can buy. Very popular with a backyard breeder crowds, just buy male and female and we can make some money

    Unfortunately, people do not get the dog that fit their livestyle, they just want what they want, and the dogs get the short end of the deal. My wife and I wanted a blue nose pitbull but the timing was not right so we skipped the idea. Pitbulls require additional dog to dog early socialization to suppress or override the innate urge to fight. Daily exercise is a must for high energy breed like pitbull. Dogs are like soldiers they need to follow rules and order, if you let them do whatever they would become mercenaries, and no ones wants that.

    Too many myths around the breed that are not true the worst one is that they possess this mythical locking jaw.

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    QUOTE mimi1885:Too many myths around the breed that are not true the worst one is that they possess this mythical locking jaw.

    I crack up when I hear people say that. Sure their biting force is stronger than most pounds per square inch but I think Rottys have more if I remember right.
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    QUOTE mimi1885:Too many myths around the breed that are not true the worst one is that they possess this mythical locking jaw.

    I crack up when I hear people say that. Sure their biting force is stronger than most pounds per square inch but I think Rottys have more if I remember right.

    Lol, exactly.

    Pitbull pressure bite was 235 lbs
    German Shepherd bite was 238-750 lbs
    Alapha blue blood Bulldog bite was 305 lbs
    Wild Dogs bite force was 317 lbs
    Rottweiler bite force was 328-350 lbs
    Wolf bite force was 406-1800 lbs
    tosa inu was 556 lbs
    Turkish Kangal was -350-714 lbs
    dutch shepherd 235 lbs
    karelian bear dog 245 lbs
    belgian malinois 135 lbs

    Don't forget that bite force is only one of the equation, when the dog charge at you the mass is also a huge factor. I've done bite work exercise before and I can tell you, a 100lb German Shepard is very intimidating, follow very closely by the Dobie with titanium teeth. Forget the 200+lbs mastiff with over 550 ft pound bite pressure.

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    My German Shepherd took down the tax man when he came to my house in the UK for a routine visit. He ignored the closed gate and vibrant sign warning him of the dog, and apparently even ignored the fact that the dog was there, accompanied by 3 Ridgebacks, snarling at him.

    I am not sure what the bite force used was, but he went to hospital with a (very) sore arm, and I wound up with a 65,000 pound VAT assessment that broke the bank!
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    He ignored the closed gate and vibrant sign warning him of the dog, and apparently even ignored the fact that the dog was there, accompanied by 3 Ridgebacks, snarling at him.
    3 Ridgebacks? wow, Rhodesian or Thai ridgeback? I don't see a lot of that here in Socal.

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    3 Ridgebacks? wow, Rhodesian or Thai ridgeback? I don't see a lot of that here in Socal.
    Rhodesian, my ex-wife loved them, and kept 'acquiring' them when I used to go away on tour... we had 3 of them, later 4, one Shepherd, and 2 dachsunds... my food and vet bills were crippling!
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    some people like the idea of a guard dog. i dont. i dont want that liability. i want to let my dog hike with me, or let aunt mildred visit without somebody being mauled. Dopey mutts for me, forever.
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    I have 3, all rescue and as you can see they are terrifying creatures. They are snuggling the hell out of each other.


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    Lol, exactly.

    Pitbull pressure bite was 235 lbs
    German Shepherd bite was 238-750 lbs
    Alapha blue blood Bulldog bite was 305 lbs
    Wild Dogs bite force was 317 lbs
    Rottweiler bite force was 328-350 lbs
    Wolf bite force was 406-1800 lbs
    tosa inu was 556 lbs
    Turkish Kangal was -350-714 lbs
    dutch shepherd 235 lbs
    karelian bear dog 245 lbs
    belgian malinois 135 lbs
    Don't forget that bite force is only one of the equation, when the dog charge at you the mass is
    also a huge factor. I've done bite work exercise
    before and I can tell you, a 100lb German Shepard
    is very intimidating, follow very closely by the
    Dobie with titanium teeth. Forget the 200+lbs
    mastiff with over 550 ft bite pressure.





    And you forgot one of the most intimidating bad ass breeds out there. The Akita , I wouldn't want to be on the business end of one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    some people like the idea of a guard dog. i dont. i dont want that liability. i want to let my dog hike with me, or let aunt mildred visit without somebody being mauled. Dopey mutts for me, forever.
    I hear you Nicole. Where I lived was a big detached house with big garden, all fenced in, big old 5 bar gate on the drive with 2 big warning signs. There were several whole house burglaries in my area, one right across the street, and we even had someone dope the dogs and get into the house one night. Luckily we had people staying, and they surprised them inside before they had a chance to do anything. I spent a lot of time away from home for extended periods, so it was comforting to have the dogs there to protect the wife and kids. Shame they picked the tax man to earn their keep!
    That's why we had dogs, the UK in that area, even tho high end, was a target rich environment for the no-gooders.
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    Speaking of the killer Rotti, last year a young pup looked about a year old got lost and came to scratch my front doo at 1am. My mom was a bit freaked out but we were more worried about the pup. I went out side sat with him for a bit, gave him some water. About half hour later he left, he went home, saw him a few months later and told the owner what happened. They had no clue he disappeared for a few hours.

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    Pits are like mountain bikers......it only takes a few to ruin the reputation for them all. I work in insurance, and of course personal liability covers dog bites. The reason that a pit is on every insurance companies "Ineligible Dog Breed" list, is because of two factors.....they have a greater propensity to bite, and when they do bite as compared to many other breads, the damage is much more severe. Statistics show this to be the case, and insurance companies use statistics to develop their thresholds on what to insure.

    I have met many pits that are super sweet, no doubt about it. But there is a reason that they are on these lists. It isn't just because they are targeted for no reason. I feel bad when I use extra caution around a pit I don't know, but it is because of this history that I give extra caution. Nothing against the individual dog. I know the owner, the environment, and many other things can be an indirect cause for the reputation that these dogs have built, but I see it as good reason for the reputation.

    Pits aren't singled out, by any means. Here is a list from one of my insurance company's guidelines:

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    • Any exotic pets (e.g., Pythons or rattlesnakes)
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    – Akita
    – Chow
    – Doberman Pinscher
    – Presa Canario
    – Pit Bull
    – Rottweiler
    – Staffordshire Bull Terrier
    – Wolf hybrid
    – Any mixture of the above breed of dogs
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    Judy I'm glad little Rocky made it through that uncathed to enjoy the rest of his life a happy little guy with you and Chris.
    He was a brave little dog, never the aggressor but he always stood his ground. Ratter, mouser ... squirrel and raccoon chaser lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Pits are like mountain bikers......it only takes a few to ruin the reputation for them all. I work in insurance, and of course personal liability covers dog bites. The reason that a pit is on every insurance companies "Ineligible Dog Breed" list, is because of two factors.....they have a greater propensity to bite, and when they do bite as compared to many other breads, the damage is much more severe. Statistics show this to be the case, and insurance companies use statistics to develop their thresholds on what to insure.

    I have met many pits that are super sweet, no doubt about it. But there is a reason that they are
    on these lists. It isn't just because they are
    targeted for no reason. I feel bad when I use extra
    caution around a pit I don't know, but it is because
    of this history that I give extra caution. Nothing
    against the individual dog. I know the owner, the
    environment, and many other things can be an
    indirect cause for the reputation that these dogs
    have built, but I see it as good reason for the
    reputation.



    Pits aren't singled out, by any means. Here is a list
    from one of my insurance company's guidelines:



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    Any risk with:
    • Any exotic pets (e.g., Pythons or rattlesnakes)
    • Any of the following “breeds of concern”:


    – Akita
    – Chow
    – Doberman Pinscher
    – Presa Canario
    – Pit Bull
    – Rottweiler
    – Staffordshire Bull Terrier
    – Wolf hybrid
    – Any mixture of the above breed of dogs
    Yep just like I said a few posts up the Akita is one intimidating breed. Also Chows are way unpredictable. And Rottys are mostly sweet but the occasional bad apple is extremly scary.
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    Yep just like I said a few posts up the Akita is one intimidating breed. Also Chows are way unpredictable. And Rottys are mostly sweet but the occasional bad apple is extremly scary.
    I don't make a habit of being scared of any dogs, especially when it's face to face, which would be the surest thing to get bitten. It's common to be intimidating but lets look at it the other way, owners of big dogs would not let the dog jumping all over them. Most owners and family members(packs) do not feel scare around the dog. I usually don't like to be too friendly with the big breeds you mentioned above for the opposite reasons, they slop all over your face, hands, and clothes, sometime there's no place around to wash up. Haven't really met a big pooch that does not want to show you how much he/she loves you

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    I don't make a habit of being scared of any dogs, especially when it's face to face, which would be the surest thing to get bitten. It's common to be intimidating but lets look at it the other way, owners of big dogs would not let the dog jumping all over them.
    Totally agree with this and the rest of what you have said in this thread about dog behavior. I was a pool man in high school and college and I never showed fear towards dogs, even when a big "mean" one caught me off guard. Dogs need to be led by the pack leader or else they are confused and stressed out.

    Oh, and the only dog that ever bit me was a small little "lap/toy" dog. People would be surprised at the number of bites that come from little shits, the damage they inflict just doesn't bring it to attention.

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    i still think that the average family is really looking for a dopey happy mutt when looking for a pet. but they still choose breeds. i guess that was my question, why specifically choose a pit? are they better in any way?

    i also noticed that people are very quick to point out "good" breed traits, but never willing to admit there are "bad" breed traits. it's like, there's no such thing as a negative breed trait, only good.

    i can admit my hound has a negative trait. she's so obsessed with her nose, that i cant just leave her hanging around unleashed. she catches scents and takes off. and once she's on a scent, she's hard to call back. Am i a bad owner? did i train her wrong? i used to think so, until i looked up info on training hounds. Even good trainers said hounds are very difficult in that respect, and it's best to keep them leashed at all times. Now i dont totally blame myself. Centuries of breeding and singling out traits has made my hound the way she is. Yes, i have some input on behaviour, but genes go a long way too.

    i do believe that singling out fighting traits in pits over many years probably gives them an "edge" that may or may not be totally suppressed, just like my dog's urge to follow scents. I"m really hoping now that they are common pets, that those traits might calm down a little.

    i was able to admit that my hound had a negative trait, now i think others should be willing to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    I don't make a habit of being scared of any dogs, especially when it's face to face, which would be the surest thing to get bitten. It's common to be intimidating but lets look at it the other way, owners of big dogs would not let the dog jumping all over them. Most owners and family members(packs) do not feel scare around the dog. I usually don't like to be too friendly with the big breeds you mentioned above for the opposite reasons, they slop all over your face, hands, and clothes, sometime there's no place around to wash up. Haven't really met a big pooch that does not want to show you how much he/she loves you

    Great pic jkad
    I am the exact same way. I've been around dogs all
    my life and I have never showed any fear towards
    any of them. My point above was just that certain
    breeds can be intimidating if you let them be. Case
    in point years ago I went to a buddys house. I
    followed him there the first time ever being there.
    He has one of the largest Rottys I've ever seen. So
    we walk up to the wooden gate and the dog is
    going nuts on the other side. Big bold "Beware Of
    Dog" signs everywhere. I ask my bud "is he nice"
    he says to me he is, stand back. He openes the
    gate and I go right up to him. And start petting and
    playing with him. My buddy was in shock that I did
    that. He said I was the first person besides him
    that has had any interaction with him. Even his
    wife won't go near him. He got him strictly as a
    guard dog.
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    i was able to admit that my hound had a negative trait, now i think others should be willing to do the same.
    Do my pits have bad traits? Oh yes


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    Nicole - my family had a Rottweiler (1999-2007, RIP Zoe) that was never around kids until my brother had his first child. When they would come to CA from NH to visit, Zoe would come stay with me and my now wife because she was too rough with my niece and the other little kids that would come over to my parents house to play with my niece. She wasn't being aggressive, just too rough.

    I have also been around a pit named Brodie that was just a mean dog who wasn't raised right and he scared me more than any other dog which is why I didn't go to that house after being exposed to him.

    I agree that any dog can be a problem, no matter the size and/or breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    i guess that was my question, why specifically choose a pit? are they better in any way?
    Yes, they are the best dogs on earth and I've looked for a pitbull every time I have been looking for a dog. I've always found them to have the sweetest friendliest demeanor of all dogs. Aside from a few in shelters that have been pretty mean but I'm blaming that on former owners.

    Do they have negative qualities, or course. Ours have always had a pretty high prey drive. Rodents don't stand a chance. One of ours whines like a baby if she doesn't get her way and the other will occasionally spread a pillow out all over the floor (he's part boxer so I'm blaming that, boxers love to destroy things for fun)

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    i dont think the majority of owners beat their pits. i just think they're looking for a lazy, low key, non-protective dog, then end up with a high energy loyal guard dog and dont know how to deal. thats why most people shouldnt own them. If you can socialize them properly, i'm sure they can be great dogs. it's just that you have to go into the agreement, knowing they can be different and have differnt needs. Again, the average family just needs a dopey sweet dog who is chill....but then they get breeds that are opposite than what they're willing to train.

    so no, i dont believe all mean pitbulls have abusive owners. they just probably didnt socialize them young with strange dogs and people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bedwards1000 View Post
    Yes, they are the best dogs on earth and I've looked for a pitbull every time I have been looking for a dog. I've always found them to have the sweetest friendliest demeanor of all dogs. Aside from a few in shelters that have been pretty mean but I'm blaming that on former owners.

    Do they have negative qualities, or course. Ours have always had a pretty high prey drive. Rodents don't stand a chance. One of ours whines like a baby if she doesn't get her way and the other will occasionally spread a pillow out all over the floor (he's part boxer so I'm blaming that, boxers love to destroy things for fun)

    Nice pics irishpitbull
    Great post!

    I concur on the prey drive, but it is only the Brindle one (Sheleighly). Many of squirrels have lost their life. The snoring can get loud also.

    That is funny yours whines, one of mine puffs his cheeks out and sighs if he does not get his way.
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    Great post!

    I concur on the prey drive, but it is only the Brindle one (Sheleighly). Many of squirrels have lost their life. The snoring can get loud also.

    That is funny yours whines, one of mine puffs his cheeks out and sighs if he does not get his way.
    Oh and don't forget the inherit "FARTING" problem they come from the factory with.
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    Oh and don't forget the inherit "FARTING" problem they come from the factory with.
    They sound like human farts and can clear out a room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    They sound like human farts and can clear out a room.
    Yuuuup!
    But their cute.
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    Oh and don't forget the inherit "FARTING" problem they come from the factory with.
    I thought that was one of the good traits because you can always blame the dog.

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    i still think that the average family is really looking for a dopey happy mutt when looking for a pet. but they still choose breeds. i guess that was my question, why specifically choose a pit? are they better in any way?

    i also noticed that people are very quick to point out "good" breed traits, but never willing to admit there are "bad" breed traits. it's like, there's no such thing as a negative breed trait, only good.

    i was able to admit that my hound had a negative trait, now i think others should be willing to do the same.

    Negative traits are like obstacles on the trails, you'd scan and acknowledge them but don't stare at them. Look where you want to go.. There are time and places to show off those traits not anytime they want.

    It's best not to make any excuses for bad or undesirable behaviors on the neg traits. Instead, come up with the way to redirect the bad behavior, or recognize the bad behaviors and stop it before it becomes obsession. My pups are quite well behaved at home as my wife and I try to stay consistent with routine and training, we also prove the behaviors in the backyard and front yard as well as the usual routes we take them for work out. That said, there are still many places that we still need to prove their behaviors. It's a hard work, yes but so rewarding.

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    yep, and thats why i think when an average family is looking for an average lazy friendly dog, they need to consider the type of dog before they just choose on looks and trends. i still firmly believe a shelter mutt is perfectly acceptable for 80% of all people looking for a dog. Trends in breeds seem to trump reality these days and it's sad. pits need to be socialized, not ignored. too many average families just dont do that. I kind of wish the trend would calm down. Actually, in a perfect world, 90% of all new breeding should just stop until every shelter is empty! (too much to ask)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    yep, and thats why i think when an average family is looking for an average lazy friendly dog, they need to consider the type of doey just choose on looks and trends. i still firmly believe a shelter mutt is perfectly acceptable for 80% of all people looking for a dog. Trends in breeds seem to trump reality these days and it's sad. pits need to be socialized, not ignored. too many average families just dont do that. I kind of wish the trend would calm down. Actually, in a perfect world, 90% of all new breeding should just stop until every shelter is empty! (too much to ask)
    Nicole I completely agree with you especially your last sentence "90% of all new breeding should stop until every shelter is empty".That should also be done with the human population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    i still think that the average family is really looking for a dopey happy mutt when looking for a pet. but they still choose breeds. i guess that was my question, why specifically choose a pit? are they better in any way?

    i also noticed that people are very quick to point out "good" breed traits, but never willing to admit there are "bad" breed traits. it's like, there's no such thing as a negative breed trait, only good.

    i can admit my hound has a negative trait. she's so obsessed with her nose, that i cant just leave her hanging around unleashed. she catches scents and takes off. and once she's on a scent, she's hard to call back. Am i a bad owner? did i train her wrong? i used to think so, until i looked up info on training hounds. Even good trainers said hounds are very difficult in that respect, and it's best to keep them leashed at all times. Now i dont totally blame myself. Centuries of breeding and singling out traits has made my hound the way she is. Yes, i have some input on behaviour, but genes go a long way too.

    i do believe that singling out fighting traits in pits over many years probably gives them an "edge" that may or may not be totally suppressed, just like my dog's urge to follow scents. I"m really hoping now that they are common pets, that those traits might calm down a little.

    i was able to admit that my hound had a negative trait, now i think others should be willing to do the same.
    Nic ive had both small loving dogs like pugs, foxys etc and ive had as we call them Staffies/pits.

    Its a special feeling getting love and loyalty from a dog that really owns its domain like a pit, its not like the love from a small dog, they both love you the same, but in a way for me a staff has a special energy.

    You know how some women like big powerfull,dangerous and strong men?
    for the same reason some people like a dog like that.

    Its empowering for the right reasons, when a pit or staff loves you you really feel it.

    And they arnt as needy as many small dogs, they are bloody tough, can shrug of any superficial injuries, you really know they would die for you and not run away in the face of danger.

    They can guard you and your family, they have magical personalities and are basically tough dogs.

    Pits and staffs are masters and rulers of the world of dogs and their own domain, and i really love that, and when they love you they give you a different kind of love, and in a way its empowering.

    Its when idiots with a low self esteem get these dogs that you have problems.

    But having had both the household mutt and staffs, theres just no contest Nic imo.
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    yep, and thats why i think when an average family is looking for an average lazy friendly dog, they need to consider the type of dog before they just choose on looks and trends. i still firmly believe a shelter mutt is perfectly acceptable for 80% of all people looking for a dog. Trends in breeds seem to trump reality these days and it's sad. pits need to be socialized, not ignored. too many average families just dont do that. I kind of wish the trend would calm down. Actually, in a perfect world, 90% of all new breeding should just stop until every shelter is empty! (too much to ask)
    I totally agree with you here Nic, your spot on, no dog should be bought for trends, and your on the money with shelter dogs, thats what the average family should be getting.
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    We keep our cats indoors most of the time due to wild animals taking a toll on small pets in the neighborhood. One of them got out yesterday evening, and despite our frequent searches, he stayed out until around 5 am this morning.

    About an hour later I let our pit Belmont out of our (his) room for breakfast. Instead of his usual routine of going to his rug in the kitchen to wait for his bowl, he rushed around the house looking for that cat -- ignoring the other one -- until he found him. Of course, the cat smacked him, but Belmont seemed satisfied that things were back to normal and came over to his waiting place for breakfast.

    He knew that cat was not where it should have been, and I'm pretty sure he knew we were a little worried about it.

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    Randomwalk, That reminds me of my little buddy. He's half Doberman & half Border Collie. I've had several pure bread hunting dogs and this cross breed is the sweetest smartest dog I've been around. He loves all other dogs, people and even babies. He is even protective over a puppy in a dog park. The only two things he hates are cats and coyotes. He once took on 3 coyotes right in front of me. After a full on run slamming into one coyote and rolling onto a ball of snarling fur flying fight. Two more coyotes come off the brush covered hill and join in, my dog is in the middle of three. This lasted what seemed like forever when actually it was only seconds before all three coyotes turned tail and ran. My Bandit in hot pursuit, off into the darkness. The Coyotes were running full speed with their tails tucked and whipping their heads back,and growling and biting.

    I was freaking out screaming for my dog, there was nothing else I could do. I heard them quite aways away stop and go at it again then ……dead silence. I feared they killed my buddy. I screamed his name for like what seemed like forever. All of a sudden he comes back wagging his tail and as happy as ever. I checked him out expecting the worst. All I found was a 1" gash on his snout. He healed up quickly and was fine. That was several years ago and he is now 13 1/2 and still bares the war wound.

    Now for the cat stories. He hates cats and over the years I have found 3 dead cats in the back yard. They would jump our fence at night and meet their fate. Funny thing is I had him over my sisters house last week. She has a cat a Labrador and a German Shepard. All three dogs get along great. But the cat I have always had my sister put him in a bedroom and shut the door while Bandit was over. This time we forgot and we let Bandit in the house. All three dogs played for a few minutes. Then the cat came around the corner. My dog ran up as I yelled "Bandit No" he proceded to sniff and play with the cat. Unbelievable that dog never ceases to amaze me. For some reason he senses pets to wild animals. He must think the cats jumping the fence at night are wild and attacks them. We had pet rabbits for years and he would lick them to death. If I take him out in the wild he chases wild rabbits and would probably kill one if he caught him. I have no way of uploading a photo but if interested in his looks go to my profile. He is an awesome trail buddy always staying on trail and right with me. Having Doberman in him and Border Collie he is quite unique in looks and personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Pits aren't singled out, by any means. Here is a list from one of my insurance company's guidelines:

    Animals
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    • Any exotic pets (e.g., Pythons or rattlesnakes)
    • Any of the following “breeds of concern”:
    – Akita
    – Chow
    – Doberman Pinscher
    – Presa Canario
    – Pit Bull
    – Rottweiler
    – Staffordshire Bull Terrier
    – Wolf hybrid
    – Any mixture of the above breed of dogs
    I missed this the first time around.

    A few months ago I was attempting to apply for a new homeowners insurance policy online with a big company. One of the application questions asked if I have dog(s). In answering "yes," the next question asked if it included any of the aforementioned breeds (plus several others) in its bloodline; only they weren't designated as "breeds of concern." I figured that was the end of the road for me, but I answered truthfully anyway. The next page informed me my application couldn't be processed at that time and directed me to a 1-800 number. I haven't followed up.

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    I grew up with pit bulls, and I loved every one of them. Eventually we got rid of them, mom said home owners insurance wouldn't cover the house with the pit. Anyway, some neighbors moved in with two pits. Lovely dogs, I used to pet them all the time over the fence. In 10th grade I hear my dog shrieking in the backyard and when I run out to inspect I see the neighbors pit mauling my small dog like it was a f****** rag doll. It died. They took the dog away and killed it. Last year a pit attacked my coworkers face while he was at his sons house. Last year, town over, a family took their baby to see their grandma and the pit mauled the baby and killed it. Few years ago I lived with some guys with a giant pit/lab mix. Nicest friendliest dog I have ever met in my life. I actually saw it protect the cat (its best friend apparently) in the backyard from a stray I brought home once. Personally I am scared of pits I don't know and will never approach one or NEVER EVER leave my daughter in a house that owns one. That's just me though.

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    I thought this was funny. Someone made the comment, "Notice how whenever a dog does something bad it’s a ‘pit bull’ and whenever they do something good they actually use a breed name like ‘staffordshire terrier’ (or one of the other many types that people lump into being a pittie)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    yep, and thats why i think when an average family is looking for an average lazy friendly dog, they need to consider the type of dog before they just choose on looks and trends. i still firmly believe a shelter mutt is perfectly acceptable for 80% of all people looking for a dog. Trends in breeds seem to trump reality these days and it's sad. pits need to be socialized, not ignored. too many average families just dont do that. I kind of wish the trend would calm down. Actually, in a perfect world, 90% of all new breeding should just stop until every shelter is empty! (too much to ask)
    Agree, avg family don't know or care about how much responsibility and effort requires to properly bring up a dog. One question I usually ask my friends who want to adopt or get a dog is "do you have a job for the dog?" It's sad but it's so true that people buy the dog for the trend.

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    Nicole I completely agree with you especially your last sentence "90% of all new breeding should stop until every shelter is empty".That should also be done with the human population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kubikeman View Post
    I thought this was funny. Someone made the comment, "Notice how whenever a dog does something bad it’s a ‘pit bull’ and whenever they do something good they actually use a breed name like ‘staffordshire terrier’ (or one of the other many types that people lump into being a pittie)."

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    Down here our most popular dog is the English staffordshire terrier and daylight second.
    That dog was actually an english staffy, but ive noticed through many pics here and reading many merican articles that you guys call English staffies, pits, a pit to us is an American staffie.
    The difference is size with the American being a bit bigger with a slightly different face, both come from English staffies and both are originally bred with the sole purpose of dog fighting.
    We use them here to pig hunt and as general family pets.
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    The notion that it's never the dog but always the owner is actually false. That completely overlooks the nature component of the nature vs nurture. Dogs act on their natural instincts and logic processes that are part of the dog's genetic template.

    Second to that is the nurture component. That's the socialization that we as owners must teach the dogs from early on so that the dog knows how to act within OUR society's rules. However all the proper socialization and training in the world won't necessarily guarantee the dog won't do something out of line one day.

    People forget that dogs have free will, just like humans do. Sometimes they will interpret something differently, perhaps incorrectly. For example...I've seen a dog be fine with other children (from infants to toddlers and on), but then "turn on" with another child who was squealing and yelling at the top of his lungs. The dog perceived the child as prey at the time because of the way the child was acting (essentially acting like a fool and screaming with high pitched noises while jumping all around erratically). Fast forward a year or so, and that same dog and same child got together again. Only this time the child learned how to behave around dogs...and the dog rolled over and showed her belly because he was calm and reserved.

    Some APBT's are dog aggressive. This aggression will never go away. It will never subside. Some APBT's simply cannot be around other dogs. Just the way it will be. Other's still will be fine around some dogs and not others. And then other APBT's will be fine around not only other dogs but other animals like cats and birds. Some APBT's will be fine around kids. Others will be fine around some kids (as in the example in the previous paragraph). Others still will be fine around no children OR other pets.

    So once again, dogs, even within the same breed, are going to be different. I have two dogs of the same litter with the same socialization and up bringing. One is a licker who loves to lay around mostly...but will kill small animals like cats, birds, and rodents but is good around other dogs. Her sibling...is extremely human attentive, loves to play constantly with toys and interact with adult humans. But she has an easily aroused prey drive and is extremely dog aggressive. Same litter...totally different personalities.

    But I love them both. I keep them both safe by limiting their interaction to what they're capable of handling safely. I don't want them euthanized because of a stupid or careless decision. The media, legislature, and Pit Bull haters are too many to be careless and expect a pardon.

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    ^ yeah what he said. it's not always the owner, just like it's not always the parents. Sure, nurture is a huge component, but bad apples happen, and when a dog has been bred for centuries to have a certain amount of loyalty/guarding/fighting, etc, you have to work a little harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    ^ yeah what he said. it's not always the owner, just like it's not always the parents. Sure, nurture is a huge component, but bad apples happen, and when a dog has been bred for centuries to have a certain amount of loyalty/guarding/fighting, etc, you have to work a little harder.
    Yep just it's just ignorant to think that what a breed has been bred for centuries to do that those traits aren't going to come out sooner or later. I love Pits and IMO it is mostly the owner and how they treat the dog. All breeds have bad apples but when an owner ignores or mistreats the animal that's when most regress back to what they were bred to do. The bottom line is whatever breed you have give the dog a quality of life you would want if you were in it's shoes [paws].
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    The notion that it's never the dog but always the owner is actually false. That completely overlooks the nature component of the nature vs nurture. Dogs act on their natural instincts and logic processes that are part of the dog's genetic template.
    Factually, I agree 100%, legally no. If you want to move forward in a successful coexistent society, we have to stop making excuses. If the owner has an out then there would always be plenty of dogs at shelter.

    Quote Originally Posted by SATalon View Post
    Second to that is the nurture component. That's the socialization that we as owners must teach the dogs from early on so that the dog knows how to act within OUR society's rules. However all the proper socialization and training in the world won't necessarily guarantee the dog won't do something out of line one day.
    Yep even more of a reason to supervise your dog when around strangers and kids, no exception. No excuses, your dog, your responsibility, you won't let your kid acting out at home on in public destroying properties or injure someone, why then let your dog get away with the same nonsense. Excuse is what make great parents lousy dog owners. No excuses. If we stay on top of this, it would make potential dog owners think harder and research about owning particular breed they want. Unlike children, dog ownership is 100% dog owner's decision.

    I once witnessed at the shelter when they disposed about a dozen dogs to make more room for new ones. We should be mad at irresponsible pet owners.

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    People forget that dogs have free will, just like humans do. Sometimes they will interpret something differently, perhaps incorrectly. For example...I've seen a dog be fine with other children (from infants to toddlers and on), but then "turn on" with another child who was squealing and yelling at the top of his lungs. The dog perceived the child as prey at the time because of the way the child was acting (essentially acting like a fool and screaming with high pitched noises while jumping all around erratically). Fast forward a year or so, and that same dog and same child got together again. Only this time the child learned how to behave around dogs...and the dog rolled over and showed her belly because he was calm and reserved.
    Or simply, the dog want to control the situation, when kids yelling and squealing the dog does not necessary treat it like a prey, just unstable behavior, and it just try to keep it (the pack) under control. This is quite common in all breeds of dogs, then it begs the question because not all dog would treat preys the same way. Most big breeds dogs were not bred to kill, but track, stalk, point, chase, retrieve. Med breeds go a step further by herd, protect, and the kill instinct usually goes to the small breeds. But all breeds tends to react similar way to instability.

    Our Schutzhund (protection dog) club, most if not all dogs look very intimidating, but all are well behaved not only because the dogs are trained because some are still young, but people there knows how to be around dogs, and that's the key.


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    Some APBT's are dog aggressive. This aggression will never go away. It will never subside. Some APBT's simply cannot be around other dogs. Just the way it will be. Other's still will be fine around some dogs and not others. And then other APBT's will be fine around not only other dogs but other animals like cats and birds. Some APBT's will be fine around kids. Others will be fine around some kids (as in the example in the previous paragraph). Others still will be fine around no children or other pets.

    So once again, dogs, even within the same breed, are going to be different. I have two dogs of the same litter with the same socialization and up bringing. One is a licker who loves to lay around mostly...but will kill small animals like cats, birds, and rodents but is good around other dogs. Her sibling...is extremely human attentive, loves to play constantly with toys and interact with adult humans. But she has an easily aroused prey drive and is extremely dog aggressive. Same litter...totally different personalities.

    But I love them both. I keep them both safe by limiting their interaction to what they're capable of handling safely. I don't want them euthanized because of a stupid or careless decision. The media, legislature, and Pit Bull haters are too many to be careless and expect a pardon.
    Blame this to the media. They promote elite class like dog shows and elitist breeders who only breeds for appearance. At the same time spewing BS, single out a few breeds they considered dangerous and undesirable.

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    ^ yeah what he said. it's not always the owner, just like it's not always the parents. Sure, nurture is a huge component, but bad apples happen, and when a dog has been bred for centuries to have a certain amount of loyalty/guarding/fighting, etc, you have to work a little harder.

    Yes, owning dogs is like having pre-teen kids, they have their individual personalities, and free will. As a leader/parents, it's our responsibility to keep them in line, teach, train and discipline. Setting rules, boundary, and limitation(well this is straight from Cesar Millan) because when the kids are out of control it's the parents' problem, and when dogs are out of control it's the owners' problem, blaming the breed or the dogs is not going to solve the unwanted dogs in the shelters issue.


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    Yep just it's just ignorant to think that what a breed has been bred for centuries to do that those traits aren't going to come out sooner or later. I love Pits and IMO it is mostly the owner and how they treat the dog. All breeds have bad apples but when an owner ignores or mistreats the animal that's when most regress back to what they were bred to do. The bottom line is whatever breed you have give the dog a quality of life you would want if you were in it's shoes [paws].
    I hear you DJ. It's all BS with breed standard and all forms of physical appearance competition and shows. The gene pool is getting smaller and smaller, and we keep having all kinds of genetic issues. There are very little jobs for our best friends to do, and we are too lazy to intelligently come up with one to help their life purpose. I'm sure in a few thousand years they would be a perfect coexistent but I'll put in a bit harder effort on my part.

    Unfortunately, I'm not in a dog breeding business. If I were, I'd create a super breed, one that require less exercise, easy to train, docile, quiet, great with kids and adults, loving, loyal, independent, free of genetic diseases and looks great.

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    Factually, I agree 100%, legally no. If you want to
    move forward in a successful coexistent society,
    we have to stop making excuses. If the owner has
    an out then there would always be plenty of dogs at shelter.



    Yep even more of a reason to supervise your dog when around strangers and kids, no exception. No excuses, your dog, your responsibility, you won't let your kid acting out at home on in public

    destroying properties or injure someone, why then let your dog get away with the same nonsense. Excuse is what make great parents lousy dog owners. No excuses. If we stay on top of this, it would make potential dog owners think harder and research about owning particular breed they want. Unlike children, dog ownership is 100% dog owner's decision.

    I once witnessed at the shelter when they disposed about a dozen dogs to make more room for new ones. We should be mad at irresponsible pet owners.



    Or simply, the dog want to control the situation, when kids yelling and squealing the dog does not necessary treat it like a prey, just unstable behavior, and it just try to keep it (the pack) under control. This is quite common in all breeds of dogs, then it begs the question because not all dog would treat preys the same way. Most big breeds dogs were not bred to kill, but track, stalk, point, chase, retrieve. Med breeds go a step further by herd, protect, and the kill instinct usually goes to the small breeds. But all breeds tends to react similar way to instability.

    Our Schutzhund (protection dog) club, most if not all dogs look very intimidating, but all are well behaved not only because the dogs are trained because some are still young, but people there
    knows how to be around dogs, and that's the key.








    Blame this to the media. They promote elite class like dog shows and elitist breeders who only
    breeds for appearance. At the same time spewing
    BS, single out a few breeds they considered
    dangerous and undesirable.












    Yes, owning dogs is like having pre-teen kids, they have their individual personalities, and free will. As a leader/parents, it's our responsibility to keep
    them in line, teach, train and discipline. Setting
    rules, boundary, and limitation(well this is straight
    from Cesar Millan) because when the kids are out
    of control it's the parents' problem, and when dogs
    are out of control it's the owners' problem,
    blaming the breed or the dogs is not going to solve
    the unwanted dogs in the shelters issue.




    I hear you DJ. It's all BS with breed standard and all forms of physical appearance competition and
    shows. The gene pool is getting smaller and
    smaller, and we keep having all kinds of genetic
    issues. There are very little jobs for our best
    friends to do, and we are too lazy to intelligently
    come up with one to help their life purpose. I'm
    sure in a few thousand years they would be a
    perfect coexistent but I'll put in a bit harder effort
    on my part.



    Unfortunately, I'm not in a dog breeding business. If I were, I'd create a super breed, one that require
    less exercise, easy to train, docile, quiet, great with
    kids and adults, loving, loyal, independent, free of
    genetic diseases and looks great.
    End Rant

    In complete agreement on all responses.
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    In complete agreement on all responses.
    Sorry, I started the post at noon, but we got busy here so I was in and out and the next thing I know it was eye-full

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    Sorry, I started the post at noon, but we got busy here so I was in and out and the next thing I know it was eye-full
    So by my calculations it took you 7 hours to do that post. Not bad in my world, that's about average for each one of my posts.
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    Good looking dog!!
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    Heres my little buddy Bandit. A 13 1/2 year old Border Collie / Doberman mix. He's 10 years old in the photo and had just ran with me for about 4 miles. A short rest and "let's go dad" he starts whining. It took all I had to get him to stay still for that photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Heres my little buddy Bandit. A 13 1/2 year old Border Collie / Doberman mix. He's 10 years old in the photo and had just ran with me for about 4 miles. A short rest and "let's go dad" he starts whining. It took all I had to get him to stay still for that photo.
    Gotta love that face. Looks like that pup can scam you out of anything. Hey, didn't peg you as a time pedals guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    Gotta love that face. Looks like that pup can scam you out of anything. Hey, didn't peg you as a time pedals guy
    Yep he gets attention everywhere he goes because of that face. Yes Time pedals since day one. That's all I've ever used never even platform. These ATAC XS Carbon Titanium ones are amazing but pricey.
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    I just learned about this todayhttp://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=9259360

    We don't know how many pit bulls or how much is the mix but the breed is in the news again killing a toddler. No one is keeping eye on the baby with 7 dogs in the backyards, neighbor or relative said it's no one's faults, it just happens. What???

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    You see tons if stuff like that on the pit bull forums.

    But if a parent left their child unsupervised with a pack of dogs...that's absolutely the parents fault.

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    Your dog seems really cool. Most pits that I've seen have a huge dislike for cats.

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    Just another ignorant owner.
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    So I shoot off all full of bravado, hit this wee booter - grabbing some air, then I land - leading into a greasy rut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Just another ignorant owner.
    Seriously, you can't make this sh...stuff up.


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    Isn't every month Pit Bull awareness month.

    Just joking I'll give it a read.
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    Ok I'll put it all in one post



    Factually, I agree 100%, legally no. If you want to move forward in a successful coexistent society, we have to stop making excuses. If the owner has an out then there would always be plenty of dogs at shelter.



    Yep even more of a reason to supervise your dog when around strangers and kids, no exception. No excuses, your dog, your responsibility, you won't let your kid acting out at home on in public destroying properties or injure someone, why then let your dog get away with the same nonsense. Excuse is what make great parents lousy dog owners. No excuses. If we stay on top of this, it would make potential dog owners think harder and research about owning particular breed they want. Unlike children, dog ownership is 100% dog owner's decision.

    I once witnessed at the shelter when they disposed about a dozen dogs to make more room for new ones. We should be mad at irresponsible pet owners.



    Or simply, the dog want to control the situation, when kids yelling and squealing the dog does not necessary treat it like a prey, just unstable behavior, and it just try to keep it (the pack) under control. This is quite common in all breeds of dogs, then it begs the question because not all dog would treat preys the same way. Most big breeds dogs were not bred to kill, but track, stalk, point, chase, retrieve. Med breeds go a step further by herd, protect, and the kill instinct usually goes to the small breeds. But all breeds tends to react similar way to instability.

    Our Schutzhund (protection dog) club, most if not all dogs look very intimidating, but all are well behaved not only because the dogs are trained because some are still young, but people there knows how to be around dogs, and that's the key.




    Blame this to the media. They promote elite class like dog shows and elitist breeders who only breeds for appearance. At the same time spewing BS, single out a few breeds they considered dangerous and undesirable.




    Yes, owning dogs is like having pre-teen kids, they have their individual personalities, and free will. As a leader/parents, it's our responsibility to keep them in line, teach, train and discipline. Setting rules, boundary, and limitation(well this is straight from Cesar Millan) because when the kids are out of control it's the parents' problem, and when dogs are out of control it's the owners' problem, blaming the breed or the dogs is not going to solve the unwanted dogs in the shelters issue.




    I hear you DJ. It's all BS with breed standard and all forms of physical appearance competition and shows. The gene pool is getting smaller and smaller, and we keep having all kinds of genetic issues. There are very little jobs for our best friends to do, and we are too lazy to intelligently come up with one to help their life purpose. I'm sure in a few thousand years they would be a perfect coexistent but I'll put in a bit harder effort on my part.

    Unfortunately, I'm not in a dog breeding business. If I were, I'd create a super breed, one that require less exercise, easy to train, docile, quiet, great with kids and adults, loving, loyal, independent, free of genetic diseases and looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Pits are like mountain bikers......it only takes a few to ruin the reputation for them all. I work in insurance, and of course personal liability covers dog bites. The reason that a pit is on every insurance companies "Ineligible Dog Breed" list, is because of two factors.....they have a greater propensity to bite, and when they do bite as compared to many other breads, the damage is much more severe. Statistics show this to be the case, and insurance companies use statistics to develop their thresholds on what to insure.

    I have met many pits that are super sweet, no doubt about it. But there is a reason that they are on these lists. It isn't just because they are targeted for no reason. I feel bad when I use extra caution around a pit I don't know, but it is because of this history that I give extra caution. Nothing against the individual dog. I know the owner, the environment, and many other things can be an indirect cause for the reputation that these dogs have built, but I see it as good reason for the reputation.

    Pits aren't singled out, by any means. Here is a list from one of my insurance company's guidelines:

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    Any risk with:
    • Any exotic pets (e.g., Pythons or rattlesnakes)
    • Any of the following “breeds of concern”:
    – Akita
    – Chow
    – Doberman Pinscher
    – Presa Canario
    – Pit Bull
    – Rottweiler
    – Staffordshire Bull Terrier
    – Wolf hybrid
    – Any mixture of the above breed of dogs
    Thank you... the actuaries don't lie.

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    Insurance companies use data to make their decisions, not hype or myth...why do many have issues with pits and some other breeds when underwriting homeowner's insurance policies?
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    Riverside CA, is now required all pit bulls to be spay or neuter except for police dogs and breeders. Way to control the sales eh? To be fair, all of the death were from stupid owners and they don't deserve to have a pit bull. I also have no doubt that these people would not give a second thought about breeding their pits to sell or just because they want another puppy. Shame.

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