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    Good job! OT: NASCAR - Sprint Cup Discussion.

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    So, Who here is a NASCAR fan?
    Who's your driver?
    How'd you get into NASCAR?
    Champ series thoughts?

    Let's GO! Boogity-Boogity-Boogity!!! - AMEN

    Well, I think this chase-race is one of the best so far - some races a bit boring - Esp. rain postponed ones
    Anyways, the points are so tight and the position swaps have been nail-biting, and tho disappointing for some of you (not in the chase) -I am exited!.

    I'm rooting for *future* 6-Time Champ JJ48!
    I've been following JJ and the 48 team since it was announced that the locally known (San Diego at that time) Baja and Dirt bike racer was gonna race NASCAR - Pretty big news for a local .
    My sis's new family was into NASCAR - My mom was getting into it too. - I needed so have something to add to the conversation when 'home' on visits. - That began the infection




    --ALSO-- RIP to Indy 500 winner Dan Wheldon and Condolences to his friends and Family.
    Dan Wheldon died in a massive pile-up this last Sunday at LVMS doing what he loved.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I love watching NASCAR although since we cancelled our TV earlier this year I haven't been able to follow it at all. Serious withdrawls.

    My car and driver are #24 Jeff Gordon. I like how he has progressed through the years and is pretty much the Don of the new "old guard". Great driver on the track.

    I got into it because I love racing of any kind and really like auto racing. I wanted to know what all the hoopla was surrounding NASCAR so pretty much just sat down on the couch a couple of weekends in a row and grew to love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I love watching NASCAR although since we cancelled our TV earlier this year I haven't been able to follow it at all. Serious withdrawls.
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    delll,
    Thanks for mentioning the passing of Dan Wheldon, RIP. A very talented and nice guy. Thoughts and best wishes for his wife and young sons.

    As for cup,
    imo, Jimmy stepped on his Johnson last sat. night. Sorry, that was too easy. He should'nt have tried passing "no quarter newman" that late in the race if he wasn't sure. He has dug a hole too deep! I am not a fan, but he is an awesome driver and the team is his equal. Many props to them for what they have accomplished since they started in cup. He earned my respect.

    The champ will be either Edwards, Kenseth or Harvick.
    I have my doubts if Harvick can finish the season off without a meltdown or pissing match with someone. KB is my favorite driver, not so much off the track but his talent is huge and he is fun to watch. He will have to win at least 2 races to have a shot and that is going to be tough. I think the nascar needs drop one of those stupid cookie cutter oval tracks and add a road course like road america to spice up the chase. What you think?

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    Did someone say NASCAR?


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    I don't care for NASCAR per se but I must say that the night race at Bristol that I went to was one of the coolest events ever. Short tracks are uber fun for fans.
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    also not a NASCAR fan, BUT i am curious as to how Juan Pablo Montoya ended up doing after leaving F1? is he competitive at all? Was he well received by fans?
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    That reminds me of a tv story on the same driver Carl Edwards and a couple of his buddies from missouri riding mtb's for like 200 miles of old tow path to go to the next race. They stopped unanounced at his sponsor at the time Save A Lot's headquarters to say hi and shower in the corporate fountian out front on the way to the track. Edwards is probably the strongest and fittest of all nascar drivers.

    STT GUY, I got to see a day race at bristol about 10 years ago and there is nothing like155,000 seats surrounding a 1/2 mile oval.

    dth656, Juantoya has done well, with one road course win and super competitive once in a while on select tracks, but overall hasn't really won over many fans or drivers and tends to get into alot of snafu's.

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    highdelll, can you please start a hot women's tennis player thread? Thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dth656 View Post
    also not a NASCAR fan, BUT i am curious as to how Juan Pablo Montoya ended up doing after leaving F1? is he competitive at all? Was he well received by fans?
    Ah WPM... yeah...he's competitive - probably one of the better open-wheel transplants - ESP on the road courses.
    He's pretty well received IMO...he's had his share of 'controversial' interactions w/ other drivers - but is not the whiner like Kyle bytch is
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    highdelll, can you please start a hot women's tennis player thread? Thanks!
    Um, you had the idea...you do it
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Ah WPM... yeah...he's competitive - probably one of the better open-wheel transplants - ESP on the road courses.
    He's pretty well received IMO...he's had his share of 'controversial' interactions w/ other drivers - but is not the WINNER like Kyle Busch is
    double fixed it for ya
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    ^^^ also, begrudgingly admitted, true...
    (THX for leaving the correct spelling tho )
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I was raised on a healthy diet of World Of Outlaws sprint car racing at an early age. We spent every weekend at tracks like Calistoga and Badlands.
    J. Gordon fan here. But really I'll go for almost anybody but that has-been (never was?) Fale Jr.
    My wife is a Stewart fan. We go to Infineon every year with our daughters.
    The wife and I have talked about when the girls are out of the house, buying an RV and following NASCAR for one year, going to every race. It would not be cheap, but oh boy it would be fun
    A lot of cyclists get this attitude about NASCAR that there is nothing to it, its just guys driving in circles. Auto racing is physically demanding. It requires very fit drivers with lightning fast reflexes. To be able to drive at 200 mph, react to whats going on around you, cope with massive G forces pushing down on you, understand how the car is working at those speeds and relay that feedback to the crew, oh ya and do it for 3 - 5 hours, serious atheletes.
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    Brew,
    I got to see the World of Outlaws three different times when they made the winter swing through FL years ago and that is racing like most people have never seen! 1400lb car with 800 horsepower racing on dirt, what a show I was a fan of Doug Wolfgang and Jack Hewitt back in the day.

    I raced carts as a kid and was lucky enough to get to work part time on a nationwide team in 96 & 97. Traveled with the team for the first 5 races of 96 and kept stats and milage during those races. I got to be the spotter at the atlanta race and have never been more nervous. It takes a calm person with eyes like a hawk to do that job. I think alot of people see race cars going around in circles on TV and think "how dumb and boring". That's what I think when I see golf, bowling and tennis on TV. Some sports just never appeal to some people and that's cool. The people I have a beef with are the ones who get it but think that it's easy to do. I think the average person would leave a hersey bar in their hanes after just one lap at full speed just sitting in a nascar sprint cup car.

    I still like nascar but don't follow it like I use to. I watch a few races at tracks I like and the chase, but that's about it. Even though the competition is better now than ever, I enjoyed it alot more before they tried to make it such a major sport.

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    I've been a fan for many many years.

    Dale Jr. fan since he was in the Busch Series. I hope he has a good run this weekend at Talladega.

    I've been to Infineon Raceway handfuls of times on Friday Pole day and not as many for Sat and Sun. Not worth the traffic clusterfvkc but when tix are free then I go.

    Oh and Fvck Kyle Busch.

    Lets get a thread started next Feb. when the 2012 season starts at the Daytona 500 with the new car package!
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    +2 Dale Jr. fan!
    I'm a gear head and love most motorsports
    I became a Dale Sr. #3 when I saw him make that infield pass at Daytona in the Mt. Dew car. still a dew fan! When Sr. got killed at Daytona, I still loved the Ernhardt memory and name so I startedf following Jr. I think he was a bettter driver whn Sr. was still alive.

    Ive always followed indy cars,but hated the IRL CART fiasco. It was truely heartbreaking to have to watch the Las Vegas crash over in over just hoping upon hope that there would be a positive outcome.
    They reallly need a indy car of the future and more improvements to that catch fence.(catch your head) and racing rules. Ive been a Danica fan after seeing her lead the Indy 500 in her rookie year.. I'm glad she is moving Nascar, the cars may be ugly but they way more safer.(they have roofs and are made of metal)

    I'm a Kyle hater!! I also hate the look of the COT. I cant wait for the new bodies for 2013. Camaro, Mustangs, Challenger and Yuk! Camry.
    Ive been to a couple of Cup races at Calif Speedway. Ive seen them loose it sideways at 170 mph coming off of 4. wow! that is crazy. We should do a meet up next year. Maybe Harvic or Edwards will spin Kyle in front of our bleacher! Ha ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNG RIDER View Post
    +2 Dale Jr. fan!
    Maybe Harvic or Edwards will spin Kyle in front of our bleacher! Ha ha!
    Maybe, but that petulent little punk would save it and still win the race. Don't ever bet against Shrub. He has car handling skills that most NASCAR drivers can only dream of
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    Lets get a thread started next Feb. when the 2012 season starts at the Daytona 500 with the new car package!
    I heard we will also have fuel injection next year.

    I also hate the look of the COT. I cant wait for the new bodies for 2013. Camaro, Mustangs, Challenger and Yuk! Camry.
    Do you think Toyota should be banned from participating? Curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    I heard we will also have fuel injection next year.



    Do you think Toyota should be banned from participating? Curious.

    Go 48!!

    Don;t worry about Toyota... the way thier QC has been lately all thier cars will be recalled and they miss the season.
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    Always been a Jr. fan...didn't become a NASCAR fan until I moved here to North Carolina in 2000. Had been to the Daytona 500 before that, but more to just be at the event itself (have been to several Indy events...my preferred form of racing before the split of the series).

    After Senior died (WASN'T a Big E fan), you cannot believe the reaction in this state. I went to Wendy's the night that he died, and there were several fans driving around holding three fingers out their car window...still makes me chuckle...as it continued for a month or so.

    Saw grown men cry.

    So curiosity took over, and I started following his son...

    Why?

    If I were a driver...I'd probably be a lot like he is...too bad he doesn't run like daddy though...and put some people out of races that are in front of them...

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    Who's Ready for DEGA!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Edwards or bust!!!

    The only reason I say that is that he is the "home town boy". Carl grew up 3 miles from me and although we have never met I can't not cheer for the guy. Even though I really could care less about nascar.

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    well, he does back-flips when he wins - and is very professional on camera - and has a bunch of personality - Unfortunately I cannot root for him
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Edwards fan here

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    NASCAR rules!!! Been watching it since '93 when I moved to North Carolina from England, and coincidentally moved next door to Mike Wallace, who won the truck race at Talladega 10/22...last time Mike won a truck race was Homestead, which I live close to now and I was there in the winner's circle after the race! That was fun, but agreed nothing is as fun as a night race at Bristol, especially in the beat 'em up days of the 90's!! I was there in '96, and also got to hang in the garage and pits before the race, I miss having that accessability to racing...

    Back then I was all about Mark Martin, class act driver, and still is, but I always pull for the Roush stables, so my current #1 is Edwards, glad to see he is staying consistent, but he's gonna need to push hard really soon, because those ravenous wolves behind him wont't let their feet off the gas...

    I have also been to many Coke 600's, mello yellow and lowes 500's, darlington, rockingham, atlanta, daytona 500 in '96 and 2008, and 3 homestead races. I aldo did the Petty driving experience and drove a stock car around Atlanta for 8 laps...I LOVE THIS SPORT!! And will be taking my son when he is a little older.

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    Can I say it again? Fvck Kyle Busch! What a dillhead on his actions at the Texas truck race, takes out a championship contender and thinks it ok. I'm glad they kicked his ass out of Texas for the rest of the weekend. Luckily Ron H wasn't injured in that crash, it was a hard lick head on into the corner wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrub View Post
    Can I say it again? Fvck Kyle Busch! What a dillhead on his actions at the Texas truck race, takes out a championship contender and thinks it ok. I'm glad they kicked his ass out of Texas for the rest of the weekend. Luckily Ron H wasn't injured in that crash, it was a hard lick head on into the corner wall.

    my .02




    Yep, that was one low class exhibition. I believe a suspension is warranted in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrub View Post
    Can I say it again? Fvck Kyle Busch! What a dillhead on his actions at the Texas truck race, takes out a championship contender and thinks it ok. I'm glad they kicked his ass out of Texas for the rest of the weekend. Luckily Ron H wasn't injured in that crash, it was a hard lick head on into the corner wall.

    my .02
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    Scrub, are you saying that Ky***** is out of Texas even for the Cup race?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Yeah there is a report on NASCAR.com about Kyle being sidelined for the rest of the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Yeah there is a report on NASCAR.com about Kyle being sidelined for the rest of the weekend.

    Busch out at Texas - Nov 05, 2011 - NASCAR.COM
    *Edit -HA! you must've edited your post while I grabbed the article
    Busch, Hornaday spat affects Truck titles - Nov 05, 2011 - NASCAR.COM
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Yeah there is a report on NASCAR.com about Kyle being sidelined for the rest of the weekend.

    Busch out at Texas - Nov 05, 2011 - NASCAR.COM
    This guy is such a little puke. He's got a target on his back while he is on the track, payback is a biatch!
    I want to see Danica punch his lights out. The funny thing is, this may happen! I would rate this as an even girl fight.heh heh!
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    I don't understand why Busch was suspended for the remaining Texas races.

    What happened to 'Boys have at it'?
    I think the suspension is bull*****.
    Its all Shits and Giggles until somebody Giggles and Shits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    I don't understand why Busch was suspended for the remaining Texas races.

    What happened to 'Boys have at it'?
    I think the suspension is bull*****.
    are you serious?
    that's BLANTANT misconduct @over 150 MPH - you can kill someone - It wasn't 'racing' they were well into CAUTION.

    Did you hear his CC over the radio telling him to calm down? repeatedly?
    It took a couple-thousand feet to spear the 33 into the wall
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Having been to a couple races and hearing thousands of people boo in unison when he's introduced I wonder if Kyle Busch even has fans? I mean, I understand he's a good driver when he's on his game but damn he's such a whiny little b i tch most of the time. Not to mention reckless in a bad way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    are you serious?
    that's BLANTANT misconduct @over 150 MPH - you can kill someone - It wasn't 'racing' they were well into CAUTION.

    Did you hear his CC over the radio telling him to calm down? repeatedly?
    It took a couple-thousand feet to spear the 33 into the wall
    Of course I am serious. Part of allowing 'Boys have at it' is understanding that the racers are going to regulate each other out on the race track. They are going to take each other out of races. I agree with holding Busch a few laps, maybe parking him for the rest of the race, but barring him from the other races is too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    Of course I am serious. Part of allowing 'Boys have at it' is understanding that the racers are going to regulate each other out on the race track. They are going to take each other out of races. I agree with holding Busch a few laps, maybe parking him for the rest of the race, but barring him from the other races is too much.
    It was UNDER CAUTION - there is no 'boys have at it' at that point.
    It is akin to a late hit/personal foul long after the play has been whistled dead in football.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Let's see if team owner Joe Gibbs actually does anything to punish him for making the team/sponsors look bad.
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    Kurt Bush Sucks!

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    Yes, I'm a NASCAR fan, watching nearly all races since the mid '80's when I was racing sports cars and wanted to learn more about long corners and side by side racing.

    Weekend suspension for Kyle Bush was fair, for causing the wall impact during caution. If during green, it would have been tolerated as many others have done the same or worse during the green. If no wall contact and not in pit road during the caution, no penalty, if given consistently. I bet there was much more truck owner history behind that poorly timed retaliation move, as Kyle said immediately after the wreck that he was sorry that it was Horniday in the truck.

    Coming from road racing, I'm a fan of the road racers trying to win ovals too, Montoya since F1, Robby Gordon, Johnson, Ambrose, Speed, Almendinger, Papis, Piquet. The oval roots drivers are getting pretty good getting around a road course by themselves, but still don't know how to win on road without taking out the expert road drivers. Kane using a qualifying line left the door wide open for Montoya in 2 at Sears this year taking Montoya out of the chance to win again, then Kaslowski had a fit and maliciously ran into the driver's door after being passed cleanly by Montoya later. The announcers don't have a clue about road either. Montoya has a huge bank of paybacks due to "give out", but he is very smart and knows his place as a second-class token ethnic allowed to run mid-pack and occasionally near the front for the huge south of the border and world wide fan base he brings.

    I like the Chase, except the Chase should have it's own points between them, a real playoff including a road course, without the points lost to non chase drivers.

    Wish they'd have multiple shorter races or two shorter points races each weekend, never more than 300 miles on big tracks, with possible exceptions for Daytona 500 and the Brickyard 400. More like the Shootout, have a couple Semi-Mains to qualify for position in a Main event except with everyone in the Main. Single car qualifying is boring. Now after a flurry at the start for 20 to 30 miles, they just cruise around for 400 miles and begin the real racing at 50 miles to go.
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    Just when it gets somewhat tolerable to see Kyle Busch out front leading races (anyone but Johnson!), he goes and pulls some bonehead stunt like this and gets himself parked.

    Seriously, it seemed to me that he wasn't trying to stuff Hornaday into the outside wall, but merely rattle his cage. Looked to me that Hornaday did something Kyle wasn't expecting, then Kyle got ahead in his steering putting them both into the fence. Very similar to the Burton/Gordon incident under caution. Only Busch took off and didn't take on the air boxing match like a man. Or something.

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    Kyle Busch draws a $50,000.00 fine and probation for the duration of the season. Meh, should have drawn a suspension for the rest of the year IMHO.



    Edit: Kurt may also have some sponsor issues............

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    why he got suspended was not because of bumping and all. they do that and while its not the cleanest of racing its not to bad annoying yes. but the deliberate for a better term pit maneuver him head on into a wall at that speed is a much more dangerous thing. even with all those safety measures just a little bad luck and youre looking at brain damage or spinal damage from a impact at those speeds.

    edit: he knew what he was doing. when you hit someones rear side like that there is only really 1 outcome. a major turn to the right and as close as they were to the wall and speed its pretty much 100% hes going to slam into it headon
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    My boss asked me to share this: The recent actions by Kyle Busch are not consistent with the values of M&M'S and we're very disappointed. Like you, we hold those who represent our brand to a higher standard and we have expressed our concerns directly to Joe Gibbs Racing.
    2K+Responses so far - Mostly calling for M&M/Mars to drop him/Boycott.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    im a nice guy but if you did that to me...i think id seriously resort to beating the crap out of him or at least knocking him on his ass then walking away. racing is dangerous enough with the bumping and stuff already but to do that on purpose and risk my life because your paint got scratched? oh heck no and there is no way you can say it wasnt on purpose. he even admitted it in his pathetic apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    and some real dip*****s defending him. I like watching the punk race but this can't be excused

    @EZRider 19 "Kurt Bush Sucks!"
    Yeah, that's why I couldn't believe why Brewtality was defending him - there is NO good excuse. It is not 'Boys have at it' under caution.
    (FWIW, Brewtality, I am not calling you a dipshlt - at all...I just don't understand why you thought/think it's OK. I know you make good posts here and I think highly of you)

    Annnnnd, let's just say, Hornaday happened to have died - there is no exclusion to manslaughter. There was clearly intent to wreck him. I would bet that the telemetry of would show that Ron was lifted and Kyle was full into the gas. KB is smart enough to know juse what EXACTLY pushing on the right quarter-panel will do - send the 'car' ahead directly in the wall.
    I hope M&M and Interstate pull their sponsorship and JGR Fires KB. I'm not just basing this on my dislike of KB, but the core reason of my dislike...His years of doooshy comments of 'Entitlement' and how he does no wrong. Yeah, he's a great driver - that can't be denied - but no one is entitled or w/out fault.

    People don't boo him because he's the dark-hat villain he thinks he is, rather - people recognize ass-hats when they see them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Yeah, that's why I couldn't believe why Brewtality was defending him - there is NO good excuse. It is not 'Boys have at it' under caution.
    (FWIW, Brewtality, I am not calling you a dipshlt - at all...I just don't understand why you thought/think it's OK. I know you make good posts here and I think highly of you)
    We're all good highdelll
    As for Busch, I love watching him handle race cars that others could not make a lap in, and win races with like that. He has more driving ability than many NASCAR drivers combined.
    I will not deny that he is an impetuous, snotty, pouty little brat sometimes. He has wrecked a lot of race cars.
    I don't see Gibbs releasing Busch. He wins races. A lot more than the other Gibbs drivers combined. He makes the chase on a regular basis (can't do anything in the chase, but thats another story).
    Its not like there is a bunch of chase quality drivers looking for work right now. Who would Gibbs replace Busch with? Reutiman? McDowell? Cassill? Good luck attracting sponsors with second or third tier drivers like that.
    M&Ms and Interstate are not Busch's only sponsors. Z-Line Design, Marquee Jets, Pedrgree & Wrigley's all share space on his Cup cars. I doubt they would all leave a proven winner. Despite the bad headlines, he is still getting them coverage. Their logos still show up in Victory Lane on a regular basis. If one or two sponsors leave, Gibbs will find others. It won't be easy, but somebody will step up and put their logo on his car.
    Busch will come out of this OK. Obviously he is $50K lighter. I am sure he is getting in some long chats with Gibbs, some heart felt apologies to his sponsors and he is going to have to watch his rearview mirror carefully. No doubt that Harvick is going to be gunning for him more than ever. But he will be ok.
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    ^^ I agree that that's how it could play-out (and probably will) - and that he's a GREAT driver, but the revocation of a major -hood sponsor would send KB a good wake-up call - 'we don't NEED you' - truth is, they don't... There are good up'and'comers that can benefit.

    Yeah, there's the saying 'even bad publicity is publicity', major corps don't have to tow that line.

    **On another note...**$50k? - that's like docking a beer out of my 12-pk - yeah, it kinda sucks... but I have 11 beers still and I can get more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    Since Kyle probably ruined Ron's chances this year + Ron is looking for a ride next year and Kyle has the resources I can think of a nice way for him to patch things up...
    Thats not going to happen.
    Not that I know anything here, but I just don't see it. Would be funny and ironic though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    This could very well turn out to help Ron with all the talk about him. If I was Hershey's I'd be all over Hornaday
    Now thats funny shlt right there, I don't care who you are!!!
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    sponsor fallout

    Nationwide sponsor seeks to replace Kyle Busch with Denny Hamlin at Homestead - From the Marbles - NASCAR*Blog - Yahoo! Sports

    If M&M's leaves JGR as KB's sponsor, I would like to see them put together a deal with Preperation H as the main sponsor. Picture on the hood a giant pair of buttcheeks with Kyle's smiling face in the middle They could market him as the "World Fastest Hemorrhoid"

    Props to Tony Stewart and Stewart/Haas racing for winning 4 of 8 chase races so far. I did'nt see that coming and I would'nt bet against him. At least it won't be JJ agian

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    Well, Mars/M&Ms is gone......

    .......for the next two Cup races anyways. JGR will fall back on Interstate Batteries for Phoenix and Homestead.
    Z-Line Designs allegedly has asked that Denny Hambone replace Busch for the remaining Nationwide races. Thats interesting considering how loyal Z-Line Designs has been to Kyle of the last couple of years. They have been his primary sponsor for both Nationwide and Trucks. The owners are regulars in Victory Lane whenever Busch wins.

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    Florida guy here, also a Kurt Busch fan. I'll be at Homestead! Can't wait to see how these final two races play out. Does anyone else do ESPN fantasy stock car?

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    Goooo Carl !

    Whining all year doesn't cut it for a champion !

    Tony's a great driver no doubt. It could be down to just a single psi difference in the RF tire who will win Sunday.

    I hope bad luck stays away from both teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew69 View Post
    Florida guy here, also a Kurt Busch fan. I'll be at Homestead! Can't wait to see how these final two races play out. Does anyone else do ESPN fantasy stock car?
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    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.
    I like to drink beer on weekends and watch cars race(F1,NHRA,IRL,etc). I'm a speed junky and NASCAR fits in there with all the other types of motorsports. I have driven on parking lot auto-x, Sacramento and Infineon drag strips, both road courses Laguna Seca and Infineon, and Altamont's 1/4 mile oval track and they are fun as hell. So I have a little experience with various types of racing and out of the few, I think that stock car racing(NASCAR) is pretty wild, pit stops, grudges, fuel mileage, and the "boys have at it" attitude are fun to watch and unfold plus its here in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.
    You went 110 - 120 mph.
    Now boost that another 80 mph faster.
    Now add in 42 other cars, some of them only inches away from you.
    Now consider that these cars handle extremely poorly at those speeds. They have a lot of power, a lot of weight and not enough traction to fully handle it.
    Add in the fact that the playing field is so level that a simple tire pressure adjustment can completely kill the handling of a car.
    Think about the G forces imparted upon the driver's body with each corner, the strain it puts them under and the total drain of physical and mental energy it puts them through.

    NASCAR drivers run their cars at the very edge of control every lap. And they do so with other cars just inches away from them. The drivers do have huge brass ones. But they also have lightening fast reflexes to be able to react to what the car does or what the other drivers are doing. Go drive you car around MIS at 200 mph and calmly explain to your crewchief how your car is handling through each individual corner. I am constantly amazed by drivers analyzing the race course corner by corner and explaning exactly how their car is handling.
    Many open wheel drivers have made to switch from Indy or F1 to NASCAR. Some have been extremely successful (Tony Stewart), others not so much (JPM, Hornish, Allmindingy, Patrick). Handling big heavy stock cars requires a different mentality from open wheel.

    Oh, and BTW, a lot of NASCAR is the drunken revelery
    Most NASCAR fans are insane, partying rednecks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.
    I very seldom watch a NASCAR race anymore, but I grew up watching them race. I remember watching races with my dad when I was just a young kid in the late sixties. I followed it rather closely unit about 12- 15 years ago.

    Anyway, to add to what Brewtality laid out, my interest was always more about the cars. I find it very impressive that they can build a small block to put out 600-700 horsepower and get them to stay together for 600 miles or more. You figure that now days they have to run the same engine in qualifying and practice unless they want to start on the back row and those engines see some abuse. Figure too that on the shorter tracks they are in and out of the throttle non stop. Now days they wind these things to over 8,000 RPMs too. If you understand what is going on in a race engine it is very impressive. How bullet proof does a transmission have to be to stand up to that?

    The entire car is impressive. Watch a short track race. You have 3,000 pound plus car going over 120 miles per hour and they stand on the brake pedal at the end of the straightaway until the brakes are orange. That happens twice a lap or more for 500 laps and somehow they get those brakes to live. They have figured out how to circulate the brake fluid through the calipers so it doesn't boil.

    They bend the rear end housing to get the camber and caster on the rear wheels to make them corner at those speeds, and manage to do it in a way that the axle shaft doesn't break.

    The cars run no electronics. There is no computer to tell the engineers how to adjust the balance of the car. It is all the drivers seat of the pants read on it and he has to relay that to the crew chief who needs to decide what to do to make it better.

    Hey, I am a gear head and a mechanic by trade, so that is the aspect that appeals to me. Honestly though, I very seldom watch a race anymore. The sport has changed so much. The rules are getting stupid. Too many of the drivers are just jerks like Kyle Bush who needs a good ass kicking. Too may of them are prissy spoiled turds who do these stupid burn outs if they win. Reminds me of the asinine little dances the NFL dorks do. In some ways it seems like NASCAR has tried to make stock car racing appeal to the football crowd.

    I guess I just liked the old days better. But, I watch a race once in a while and I still like the sport and still find the cars impressive.
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    I find it very impressive that they can build a small block to put out 600-700 horsepower and get them to stay together for 600 miles or more.
    Actually they start around 750 HP and run around 9600 RPM. They have the oil circulating from the engine to the back of the car then back to the engine keeping the oil cool so perhaps that helps.

    Next year they are switching to fuel injection and no distributors. Each spark plug with have it's own computer controlled coil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.
    I appreciate you not being a toroll dood .
    I was kinda the same way as you are - thought F1 was superior with all of the latest tech - thought Indy/Kart drivers were more interesting with their left and right turns.
    I watched it from time to time - but just as ' yeah! motorsports! - better than soccer.'

    Once I got into it I began to see the appeal (helps to have a driver - ANY driver at first, to root for - just follow them). The strategy is WAY more compelling than F1 (or IRL)... and don't get me started on pitstops! - Pit crew pre-positioned, Auto-jacks, 4 tire changers with 1 BIG wheel nut to deal with, pressurised fuel.... EASY - compared to a NASCAR Pit.

    And while NASCAR drivers (Esp. Cup) habe Brass-Balls, they can also DRIVE. (see above comments). In no other series do you run 190 nose-to-tail 4-wide and save 300-foot drifts.
    Open-wheelers have come to NASCAR (good drivers in any respect) but many have not done so well and/or have acknowledged how much challenging than their previous 'career'.
    And, I willing to bet that almost ANY Cup driver could hang and place well with any other series.

    **Edit** - And just to be clear - I'm NOT trying to take away anyother motorsports (ok, except tractor-pulls ) - I think they're all great and fill their niche nicely - It's all cooler than anything I AM doing
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    "a simple tire pressure adjustment can completely kill the handling of a car."
    an adjustment of only a 1/4 pound is all it takes!!
    lets add...no telemetry, not traction control....

    "And, I willing to bet that almost ANY Cup driver could hang and place well with any other series."
    you wouldnt lose! a few years ago jeff gordon got in an indy car and after a few laps was running fast enough to easily qualify for the 500.

    i'm mostly a jr fan(dont really know why though??) but right now im pulling for tony. i think putting danica in car is a waste of a car. she has only one win in indy, and thats because the guy leading lost track of what lap it was and thought it was over!!! she is there(and in nascar) purely for marketing reasons. not much different that jr really, but at least he has won raceS(more than one!!).

    as soon as i saw the "texas truck massacre", i was yelling at my tv to park that POS for the whole weekend! i never thought they would do it though. i was pretty suprised...maybe yelling at the tv does work! hhhmmm...maybe i should start yelling at the monster energy girls to take their tops off.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Actually they start around 750 HP and run around 9600 RPM. They have the oil circulating from the engine to the back of the car then back to the engine keeping the oil cool so perhaps that helps.

    Next year they are switching to fuel injection and no distributors. Each spark plug with have it's own computer controlled coil.
    Thanks for the corrections. I knew I was low on the numbers, but like I said, I don't follow the sport very closely anymore and I didn't want to get called for exaggerating things.

    The dry sump oil systems help for a lot of reasons, cooling is definitely one of them. They also allow a huge increase in the amount of oil the system will hold. Figure an engine like this with a stock pan would hold 5 quarts, the dry sump systems they are using probably hold more like 5 gallons. Another reason they are used in most race engines is that the G forces of the car going around the corners can cause the oil to stay against one side of the engine. This can cause several problems, but the big ones are that the suction tube will pull air if it is not submersed in oil all the time. Also, if the rotating parts of the engine make contact with the sump oil it can cause the oil to become aerated, or foamy. Air bubbles in the oil don't make for good lubrication.

    I didn't know they were going to fuel injection and multi-coil ignition systems. Stands to reason I guess. I am curious how much electronics will be allowed. No on board computers has been one place where NASCAR has help firm. The engine control modules are not really computers through. I suspect that they won't allow a system where the driver can alter the timing and fuel maps during the race, but I could very well be wrong about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.
    Honestly?

    I watch it for the wrecks. Especially the ones where they flip over and over. And over again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11 Bravo View Post
    ...
    I didn't know they were going to ... multi-coil ignition systems....
    Thy've had 'multi-coil' systems for quite a while.
    On the dash there's a switch with something like 'IGN-A / IGN-B'
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassTrain View Post
    Honestly?

    I watch it for the wrecks. Especially the ones where they flip over and over. And over again!
    can't deny that appeal - I just don't like to see someone seriously injured or worse...

    But yeah, Carl's @ 'Dega was insane -
    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c9FsYDEIZWk?rel=0&amp;hd=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    AND ESPECIALLY, his 'finish'
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Thy've had 'multi-coil' systems for quite a while.
    On the dash there's a switch with something like 'IGN-A / IGN-B'
    That's a multi ignition system, not a multi coil system. Multi coil systems are also know as distributorless systems. There is no distributor on the engine, each spark plug has it's own coil controlled by a computer. Looks like this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    That's a multi ignition system, not a multi coil...
    Each IGN system has it's own coil :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Each IGN system has it's own coil :P
    The difference is that on the systems with 2 coils,(the systems they have been running), the ignition system runs on one coil. If there is a coil problem, or failure, the driver can switch to the second, or backup, coil.

    The multi coil systems have a coil for each spark plug and all 8 coils are active. There are many advantages to these systems. The biggest ones are that the secondary ignition wires are either very short or completely eliminated. Also, with the coil only firing one cylinder it has more saturation time and deliver much hotter spark. There are a few different ways to control these, but the newest systems use an electronic control module that determines the optimum timing for spark delivery based on several inputs ranging from crank position and throttle position to readings from sensors in the exhaust pipe.

    You will hear these systems called lots of things like Distributorless Ignition Systems (DIS), Coil-On-Plug (COP), Coil-Per-Cylinder (CPC) , and Coil-Near-Plug (CNP). Some of the older ones were called Crank Trigger Ignitions, although you can run a crank trigger system with a single coil. Anyway, obviously, there is no distributor in any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Really trying NOT to be a troll, but I wish I could understand the allure of NASCAR. I've watched a few races (including one from the pits at MIS), and it just seems like low skills/big balls racing- I got to drive my own car on that track, and even at 110-120 MPH, it wasn't at much of a thrill as auto-x. Compared to watching somebody like Michael Schumacher, it seems like I'm missing something. Is it the drivers personalities or the allegiance to a certain car brand? The noise? The party? I love the NFL, like baseball and hate soccer, so it seems I should appreciate NASCAR more, but it hasn't clicked for me.
    This is why I watch nascar
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    Indycar and NHRA have closer finishes due to speed but nobody on earth racers harder than "the good old boys of nascar". You can see more on track lead changes in a single nascar race than an entire season of F1.


    Good luck to the 14 & 99 this weekend, they both raced liked champs in the chase and it would be cool if the champion wins the race as well.

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    Will Tony wreck Carl?

    Stewart: "I'd wreck my mother for a championship..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby View Post
    Stewart: "I'd wreck my mother for a championship..."
    More of the 'quote':
    Id wreck my mom to win a championship, Stewart said. I respect him as a driver, but this isnt about friendships this weekend. This is a war. This is a battle. This is for a national championship. Its no holds barred this weekend. I didnt come this far to be one step away from it and let it slip away, so were going to go for it.

    I'm hoping that everyone els has a major engine failure @ lap 1 and JJ wins

    short of that, I'm goin for smoke
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Going for Stewart? Really? Something wrong with you tonight?
    yeah - but he's basically is a HMS driver...though, I do like back-flips...

    I used to hate tony - but then I 'got' that for what ever reason he was pissed after an incident, or NASCAR, or GoodYear, that it was true for the most part.

    I like Carl too - hate rousch
    easy decision for me
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    yeah - but he's basically is a HMS driver...though, I do like back-flips...
    Carl does the back flips, not Tony.
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    I like them both so I'll be happy no matter what. Do you guys think Keselowski should have been fined for bad mouthing EFI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    More of the 'quote':
    Id wreck my mom to win a championship, Stewart said. I respect him as a driver, but this isnt about friendships this weekend. This is a war. This is a battle. This is for a national championship. Its no holds barred this weekend. I didnt come this far to be one step away from it and let it slip away, so were going to go for it.

    I'm hoping that everyone els has a major engine failure @ lap 1 and JJ wins

    short of that, I'm goin for smoke
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    Going for Stewart? Really? Something wrong with you tonight?
    Are you kidding?? Highdelll always goes for smoke
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    nah, I always go for the johnson
    nah, I always go for the jimmie
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    It's on today!! wooooooooooo-woooooooooooooot!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    Are you kidding?? Highdelll always goes for smoke
    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    nah, I always go for the johnson
    nah, I always go for the jimmie
    I wasn't talking about Sterwart and you know it!!
    Its all Shits and Giggles until somebody Giggles and Shits

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    Is anybody else goofing off online during the red flag??
    Its all Shits and Giggles until somebody Giggles and Shits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    Is anybody else goofing off online during the red flag??
    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    I never goof off - I am serious bizzness





    I never stopped.

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    I never goof off - I am serious bizzness
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I like how they are not giving Kyle B any airtime...LOL.

    GO JR!!!!
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    I Brewtalizied some trails this morning. Now kicking back with some 2009 Double Bastard Ales, pizza and a great red flag Nascar nap. This fun!!!!
    What a great race between Stert and Cuz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Speaking of JR, no offense to anyone however I think he should quit racing and concentrate on running his team. He rarely wins if it all.
    But he is still making huge $$$$$ for his sponsors and car owners. That is all that counts
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    Speaking of JR, no offense to anyone however I think he should quit racing and concentrate on running his team. He rarely wins if it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Speaking of JR, no offense to anyone however I think he should quit racing and concentrate on running his team. He rarely wins if it all.




    You mean Fail Jr?

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    Is that what you call Earnhardt JR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Is that what you call Earnhardt JR?




    Yep...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Is that what you call Earnhardt JR?

    One more here for Fail Jr. Needs to quit driving and make way for a better driver that is not living in Daddy's shadow
    Its all Shits and Giggles until somebody Giggles and Shits

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    And another Roush/Yates engine takes a dump(16). How nervous must Cuz be??
    Its all Shits and Giggles until somebody Giggles and Shits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    One more here for Fail Jr. Needs to quit driving and make way for a better driver that is not living in Daddy's shadow
    Yeah at least other drivers, like Waltrip, knew when to quit.
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    Annnnnnnnnnnnnd, its Stewart for the win. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Annnnnnnnnnnnnd, its Stewart for the win. Congrats.
    Edwards - best loser Nascar has ever seen. He will win multiple championships, just not this year.
    Its all Shits and Giggles until somebody Giggles and Shits

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    WOW! What a finish!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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