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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Holy cow poor guy how will you ever cope? Talk about first world problems, bent out of joint because you can't have a particular user title and you wonder why we are so hard on this forum. Go ride your bike.
    RC, with all due respect, I think your sarcasm detector may be overdue for servicing. Come on man, it was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    imho, and i'd wager most OC'ers would agree, there needs to be a sub-forum (be it the OC or reopen F88) where any topic is fair game be it politics, religion, etc. (use common sense: no kiddie porn, illegal trails, terrorism, etc.) along with whatever sparring, flame wars, insults, trolling, and/or whatever accompanies it. rep should be turned off in this forum and no complaints accepted for any behavior therein -- perhaps with the top sticky being an FAQ/disclaimer titled something dante-esque like "abandon all hope ye who enter here".
    I believe the subforum you are looking for is the BikeForums "Trollheim" section. From their description: "Anything goes, within reason. This forum has minimal moderation. Enter at your own risk, and abandon all hope, ye who enter here. First, type in the password on the password prompt to gain entry and acknowledge that you have a thick skin..." "We will not tolerate criminal activity in here, however, and will cooperate with law enforcement. We do reserve the right to close and delete threads as needed, and any spillout of Trollheim Conflicts into other forums will result in sanctions and loss of Trollheim Access forever. Attacks on our staff will result in the same. Trollheim requires you be 18 years of age."

    Also: "Terms of use for the this forum:

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    2: What is said in this forum stays in this forum.
    3: Even if you disagree with another user, please be respectful of others views.
    4. In this forum your opinions may be challenged. If you cannot handle this, please do not enter."

    You can even cuss in there, although you have to know how to defeat the censor .

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac
    How about we do what the Mods and other people suggested and stop posting about it?
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Some people just have to stir the pot.
    with all due respect i'd submit that my opinion (anyone's, for that matter) has just as much right to be added to an open, unlocked thread as did the 200+ opinions that preceded it.

    the mods and others suggested a cessation on the petulant whining about recent MTBR admin and mods' decisions/actions. again with all due respect i'll point out that unlike a many others i wasn't pissing and moaning about what the mods had done and are doing.

    in fact, contrary to whining about it i stated clearly that i supported their decision to step in because they had no option. the OC left them no option. supporting it doesn't mean i like the repercussions, only that i support it. they pretty much allowed us the latitude to run wild in here and it was spilling out into the rest of the forum. they had no option but to step in.

    think about it guys... chum's an easy going dude so for him to feel the need to intervene things were getting kinda wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post

    the mods and others suggested a cessation on the petulant whining




    Yet you continue to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    This magical place you seek already exists, just not here. I'm an advocate of keeping it that way.
    iow: censorship > personal accountability

    sadly, deep down i fear that in the end i agree with your last sentence -- especially after all the ruckus simple redirection has caused. especially after the ruckus rep revision caused, with some people equating the removal of green dots to being forcibly sodomized. and most sadly especially after the uproar that suggesting a sub-forum of topic freedom hallmarked by personal accountability and responsible self-governing.

    freedom is scary for it requires personal accountability and restraint. much easier to just let someone else do the thinkin' for ya and walk between the painted lines... eh comrade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    with all due respect and (honestly) no insult meant i can't understand why you of all people wouldn't appreciate that. you troll, insult, and flame on a grand scale forum-wide (though very passive aggressively) and have the gift of snark. same for many others around here:
    You mention personal responsibility, lol, does the concept of do as I say but not as I do mean the same to you?
    Think the best thing about mtbr, and especially oc, is the comradery, which I have yet to see you partake in. Even if Dell's not always a perfect respectable member, at least he's light hearted and fun, what do you offer?
    I submit that Osokolo's post was spot on, and I have suggested a few times to you that you should at least consider using your brains for good instead of evil.
    You say that you can be trusted in a forum with no holds barred, yet you're choosing to speaking to other members in your normal and expected nasty tone in a, and as a response. You should consider the fact that others aren't as stupid as you think, and you need to step up your game if you don't want people to get your number, because it seams clear that more and more have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod
    the mods and others suggested a cessation on the petulant whining about recent MTBR admin and mods' decisions/actions.
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Yet you continue to do so.
    oops... you forgot something. fify.

    easy to spin something by quote mining and snipping sentences.

    i'm not sure how "i support their decision" equates in your mind to "petulant whining about recent MTBR admin and mods' decisions/actions" but i can't wait to hear you try to reconcile it.

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    More passive/aggressive trolling from mono who continues to attempt to advance his own unpopular agenda.

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    Wow, who doesnt fit here? Momo needs to go back to that cesspool f88me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    More passive/aggressive trolling from mono who continues to attempt to advance his own unpopular agenda.
    hmmmm.... let's see....

    OC runs wild with little to no mod intervention ---------> natives are happy.

    "OCing" spills into rest of the forum ---------> mods are unhappy.

    mods intervene -----------> natives soil themselves.

    i suggest an alternative compromise that restores the "wild" OC (placates the natives) and keeps "OCing" out of the rest of the forum (placates the mods).

    yet your position is that this "win-win" suggestion was merely passive/aggressive trolling and seeking to advance my own unpopular agenda?

    WTF?!?!?!?!?
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    This thread was successfully going the way of the OC until mono had to step in. I mostly lurk as can be seen by my low post count, but it would probably be advisable to not stir the pot any more and leave it be as the mods have suggested. Ill leave you all with this to lighten the mood....

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    There will never be another PoSER/f88 here on mtbr...

    However, the f88me site is still up. It does need new members (currently it is failing).

    If some of y'all are so disenfranchised with how MTBR conducts itself I am sure f88me would welcome you in. In there is very light moderation...only real rules are 1) no personal info and 2) no porn.

    here is the address:
    Mountain Bike Forum - f88me at indymtb

    Some of y'all may have a good time for a spell...and discover a place where you can be as rowdy as you like when the mood strikes.....

    it's better than getting the ban hammer here right?
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    Hey Chum, there are certain places in this thread, and I'm sure you've seen them, that the poster would warrant a neg. That is why, if we continue to have the ability to rep in any fashion, negs must stay. And I'm sure that there are those among us that would also like to gang up on some of them and neg away.

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    I just noticed that even when the Mods turn off their rep glow-stick, the rep power still shows.

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    Looks like people can still give you positive or negative rep and the change would be indicated in your Rep Power count. I doubt this will appease those who truly want to opt-out of the rep system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I just noticed that even when the Mods turn off their rep glow-stick, the rep power still shows.

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    Looks like people can still give you positive or negative rep and the change would be indicated in your Rep Power count. I doubt this will appease those who truly want to opt-out of the rep system.
    agreed...

    that feature is not really a feature... don't know what to call it really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    Hey Chum, there are certain places in this thread, and I'm sure you've seen them, that the poster would warrant a neg. That is why, if we continue to have the ability to rep in any fashion, negs must stay. And I'm sure that there are those among us that would also like to gang up on some of them and neg away.
    thank you for illustrating my point.

    independently throwing a neg at someone for being wrong/stoopid/etc...is OK

    acting as a group for the sole purpose of 'ganging' up on someone is no longer an independent action...it is not OK

    do you get it now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    agreed...

    that feature is not really a feature... don't know what to call it really...
    it was put in place because the green chiclets out-greened the awesomeness of my lime green shark....

    and that was unacceptable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    it was put in place because the green chiclets detracted from the awesomeness of my lime green shark....

    and that was unacceptable...
    This gang negative repping you keep on talking about, has as far as I'm concerned never happened.
    The closest it's been to that to my knowledge, is when MountainCycleShawn found himself in an unfortunate situation. There was some joking about doing so, but to my knowledge it never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    agreed...

    that feature is not really a feature... don't know what to call it really...
    I just like the black chicklet. Maybe it's a ninja thing.

    OK ya buncha knuckleheads....what the hell is going on?!-ninjagirl.jpg.jpeg
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    it was put in place because the green chiclets out-greened the awesomeness of my lime green shark....

    and that was unacceptable...
    true dat.

    i get it now.
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    Lol looks like the forum got what it had coming. Introduce petty systems and you get petty drama, what a surprise.

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    I hate to say this, but occasionally, a point has to be made. I haven't ever been a part of a gang style negging, but you know as well as anyone that sometimes banning someone isn't going to cut it. They need to go out in style, or a blaze of glory. Two fingers flying at the world. At those times, a gang neg would be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    I hate to say this, but occasionally, a point has to be made. I haven't ever been a part of a gang style negging, but you know as well as anyone that sometimes banning someone isn't going to cut it. They need to go out in style, or a blaze of glory. Two fingers flying at the world. At those times, a gang neg would be necessary.
    so....now you Moderate here on MTBR? Was this a type of self-appointment that you dole out the harshies to other members?

    And if you did not have enough juice to punish hard enough you would enlist the help of others...deputize so to speak?

    Is that what you are trying to say - that you are now a Mod on MTBR?
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    Is it time for narwhals and unicorns yet? I don't want to get taco'd, but honestly, it seems like we have covered just about everything at this point in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    thank you for illustrating my point.

    independently throwing a neg at someone for being wrong/stoopid/etc...is OK

    acting as a group for the sole purpose of 'ganging' up on someone is no longer an independent action...it is not OK

    do you get it now?
    I agree.

    If a member posts (in a separate thread) "Hey, everyone come -rep this guy in this other thread!" then I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed.

    However, if several like-minded individuals independently decide to -rep one person in particular it's not really ganging up on someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Is it time for narwhals and unicorns yet? I don't want to get taco'd, but honestly, it seems like we have covered just about everything at this point in the thread.
    I just searched and loaded the narwhal video for embed about 10 minutes ago...finger on button
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ridealot View Post
    I just searched and loaded the narwhal video for inbed about 10 minutes ago...finger on button
    i thought we were done discussing MTBR changes, but we went on discussing other OC individual issues - like monogod... which is good... i like reading most of his posts - with a little change he can be razor fun guy to talk to...

    on the other hand - rep system was supposed to be left alone... don't know why scott brought it up again... we have a moratorium in effect - nothing new to be said, i think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I agree.

    If a member posts (in a separate thread) "Hey, everyone come -rep this guy in this other thread!" then I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed.

    However, if several like-minded individuals independently decide to -rep one person in particular it's not really ganging up on someone.
    It is when it's discussed prior to doing so....which has been happening with higher and higher frequency.

    There is no way us Mods can monitor every single post - we can monitor and address trends...

    that is what's happening now.
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    I was just trying to point out that occasionally a neg is merited. I'm not a mod, nor do I have any interest in being one. I think the ones we have do a generally good job, and in the case of Chum, do a great job. Sorry if I got your taint hair in a knot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post


    There will never be another PoSER/f88 here on mtbr...

    However, the f88me site is still up. It does need new members (currently it is failing).

    If some of y'all are so disenfranchised with how MTBR conducts itself I am sure f88me would welcome you in. In there is very light moderation...only real rules are 1) no personal info and 2) no porn.

    here is the address:
    Mountain Bike Forum - f88me at indymtb

    Some of y'all may have a good time for a spell...and discover a place where you can be as rowdy as you like when the mood strikes.....

    it's better than getting the ban hammer here right?
    again chum, a quick review will show that i support the recent decisions and actions of the admins/mods and have in no way communicated within this thread a feeling of disenfranchisement with how MTBR conducts itself. i'd PM a mod if i had an issue with them.

    for the record: f88me is excrement.

    for the record: i'm not suggesting a sub-forum in that wise.

    it appears there is a great deal of confusion concerning the specifics of my suggestion so i'll clarify.

    when the PoSER forum was locked i joined f88me but terminated my membership fairly quickly. as did many others. why? because was founded by mean-spirited, spiritually ugly, black hearted people who enjoy being cruel and offensive merely for it's own sake -- and that is not what i enjoy, participate in, or am suggesting be instituted/restored here. f88me is failing because it doesn't appeal to most other people either.

    there is a difference between having topic freedom, lively debate, and tossing around good natured barbs (or taking a piss at someone, as it's referred to more and more frequently) and the abject cruelty and insensitivity that defines f88me. i'm advocating the former rather than the latter.

    as with any other member on the forum my sarcasm and/or sense of humor can be taken lightly or assigned a sinister motive. if it's taken as it's meant, which is good natured ribbing, then so be it. if it's taken wrong and ascribed a sinister motive, then so be it. won't lose or gain a minute of sleep either way.

    yet again, all i can do is tell ya's that i loves all yous peeps and that my dry, somewhat sarcastic sense of humor is just that... a sense of humor. one no different from many others and even far less caustic, abrasive, and sarcastic than quite a few that aren't taken wrong. how you (generically speaking, not "you, chum") take it's completely up to you. glass half full or half empty?

    my suggestion was merely one that would allow the OC continue as it's been going (i.e. lots of topic latitude, etc.) with a group pledge to do a better job at self-governing and to take accountability for ourselves and fellow riders by preventing "OCing" from spilling out elsewhere in the forum rather than to clone f88me in a sub-forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I agree.

    If a member posts (in a separate thread) "Hey, everyone come -rep this guy in this other thread!" then I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed.

    However, if several like-minded individuals independently decide to -rep one person in particular it's not really ganging up on someone.
    It is when it's discussed prior to doing so....which has been happening with higher and higher frequency.

    There is no way us Mods can monitor every single post - we can monitor and address trends...

    that is what's happening now.
    If it's discussed prior to doing so, then it falls within the first section of my response and I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

    This is an honest question: Let's say there is an individual who has been dogpiled with positive or negative rep (and there's no collusion amongst the other members to do so). Should something be done about it? If so, what?

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    osokolo -- thanks for your previous post (small step, giant leap). you raised some good points that deserved recognition and response but imho it's too volatile in here at the moment. perhaps forever, i dunno...

    i'll PM it instead if you're interested. if not, thanks for your coherent, rational input just the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    If it's discussed prior to doing so, then it falls within the first section of my response and I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

    This is an honest question: Let's say there is an individual who has been dogpiled with positive or negative rep (and there's no collusion amongst the other members to do so). Should something be done about it? If so, what?
    Aha! Marp, you phrased it better than me. To me this is what rep is for. Love/Hate and letting us "self-police". Occasionally someone wants to dump gas on themselves and run around asking for a match. And occasionally we, with a mutual understanding of how the OC has been handled and how we as the users like it, begin throwing matches at them. I see this as the reason the gun/religion/politics threads lead to whinefests. I might agree with some of the points, but I get tired of hearing people ***** and moan with the same crap I'm hearing on TV all day. We all have the same idea of what's fun, we just vary on other topics.

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    Woohoo! It lives!

    All this talk about warnings when really, don't you think a time out is a warning for getting banned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Woohoo! It lives!

    All this talk about warnings when really, don't you think a time out is a warning for getting banned?
    Warning, time out, temporary suspension, smack on the a$$, whatever you call it.

    EDIT: Forgot "taco kick" <- my new favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    Warning, time out, temporary suspension, smack on the a$$, whatever you call it.

    EDIT: Forgot "taco kick" <- my new favorite.
    dangit! was gonna add "taco kick" but ya beat me to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    dangit! was gonna add "taco kick" but ya beat me to it!



    CHUM, if you ever feel fit to ban me. Please put "Kicked in the taco" as my custom user title.

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    You know. I LOVE tacos. I feel like you are demeaning to tacos. Hmph.

    p.s. Okay. Breathe. Relax. And BEHAVE now. Poor Chum and Rockstar. You guys are a handful.

    They are no longer employees of the month at the Mod House thanks to you lot. Poor guys. You guys owe them.

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    WHAT?! They're not EoM?! That's BS! Who do we need to neg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    ...

    This is an honest question: Let's say there is an individual who has been dogpiled with positive or negative rep (and there's no collusion amongst the other members to do so). Should something be done about it? If so, what?
    Yes. When there is a growing trend of the same cast 'enforcing' MTBR rules...or their version of the rules.

    What is currently happening is what's being done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    Aha! Marp, you phrased it better than me. To me this is what rep is for. Love/Hate and letting us "self-police". Occasionally someone wants to dump gas on themselves and run around asking for a match. And occasionally we, with a mutual understanding of how the OC has been handled and how we as the users like it, begin throwing matches at them. I see this as the reason the gun/religion/politics threads lead to whinefests. I might agree with some of the points, but I get tired of hearing people ***** and moan with the same crap I'm hearing on TV all day. We all have the same idea of what's fun, we just vary on other topics.
    This has been happening outside the OC....where the OC culture/attitude/atmosphere are not so appreciated by other forum members.

    You see a member flaming out - report it.
    You don't like a thread - report it.
    You don't think we act fast enough - ignore the member/thread.

    Do not take into your collective hands to try and enforce MTBR policy.

    This is a poor analogy....if you see someone speeding do you pull them over? No. Do you call your friends to follow them home so you can intimidate? No.

    You would end up in jail....

    In here you end up in the 'corner' or uninvited all together.

    I'm done with this nonsense - I've made my point as clear as I possibly can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    You know. I LOVE tacos. I feel like you are demeaning to tacos. Hmph.

    p.s. Okay. Breathe. Relax. And BEHAVE now. Poor Chum and Rockstar. You guys are a handful.

    They are no longer employees of the month at the Mod House thanks to you lot. Poor guys. You guys owe them.
    Who is now? You?

    Nice job of flying under the radar. I can appreciate that. You can get a lot done if nobody notices you doing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja's Son
    You may be happy to hear that my dad has kicked cancer's ass. Now he's looking for whoever sent it.

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