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    I gotta an idea why not just give us the option of turning off the rep in our accounts?
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    If you go here: my account/settings & options/edit options, you can uncheck "show your reputation level." You'll have a little dark square instead of green or red chicklets. You'll still have your rep power displayed and still receive rep but I'm kind of assuming you don't really care about your rep and that's why you would turn it off.

    Cheers guys and don't get your panties in a bunch about stuff, it's just the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    If you go here: my account/settings and options/edit options you can uncheck show your reputation. You'll have a little dark square instead of green or red chicklets. You'll still have your rep power displayed but I'm kind of assuming you don't really care about your rep and that's why you would turn it off.

    Cheers guys and don't get your panties in a bunch about stuff, it's just the internet.



    Only mods and admin have that option.

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    Well, ain't that fancy. thanks, AZ. haha.

    edit: how the heck do y'all respond back within seconds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    If you go here: my account/settings & options/edit options, you can uncheck "show your reputation level." You'll have a little dark square instead of green or red chicklets. You'll still have your rep power displayed and still receive rep but I'm kind of assuming you don't really care about your rep and that's why you would turn it off.

    Cheers guys and don't get your panties in a bunch about stuff, it's just the internet.
    We mere mortals don't have that option. It's available only moderators and above at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Well, ain't that fancy. thanks, AZ. haha.

    edit: how the heck do y'all respond back within seconds?
    Well, that is 2 minutes I won't get back. I saw Chum's new "anti-rep" rep. If there is a switch to throw to let others do that, let us know.

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    I asked about that a week ago.
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    This is the OC after all and we move in mysterious ways.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Well, ain't that fancy. thanks, AZ. haha.

    edit: how the heck do y'all respond back within seconds?
    it's not easy at first, but after a while, you develop ninja-post skills.
    AZ has it down, I'm 'OK', marp is really good - Tone's speed seems to be purely coincidental - and only because he is ahead of us in time
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Well, ain't that fancy. thanks, AZ. haha.

    edit: how the heck do y'all respond back within seconds?
    In first!


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    Ah hell, lost again

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    Snooze and lose...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Snooze and lose...
    Sounds like a night time "slender as you slumber" diet supplement.

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    Quite "healthy"..
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    So, these x ray glasses I got with the job.....is it just for mods and admins too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    So, these x ray glasses I got with the job.....is it just for mods and admins too?
    Ah-ha! I knew there was some reason CHUM stays in that moderator job...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Quite "healthy"..
    Like the Zulily model. LA face-Oakland booty

    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    So, these x ray glasses I got with the job.....is it just for mods and admins too?
    I don't know but go ahead, check me out

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    Ah-ha! I knew there was some reason CHUM stays in that moderator job...
    No kidding. I am so tired of wearing these lead underwear.

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    I don't know but go ahead, check me out
    Speaking of underwear, you should put some on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Speaking of underwear, you should put some on.
    Why ruin the fun? I'm just hangin out havin a ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Richard View Post
    Why ruin the fun? I'm just hangin out havin a ball
    Looks like you and Lance have somethin' in common then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Looks like you and Lance have somethin' in common then.
    Once the fires settle, I hope you hang out in here more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Looks like you and Lance have somethin' in common then.
    i vote girlonbike gets her own subforum! That's change we can all support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Looks like you and Lance have somethin' in common then.
    I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that we both dope and lie about it and hold Sheryl Crow in resentment?

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    ^^^I hold Sheryl Crow in a cage.

    It's just a crow I caught - using a clean sliding-glass-door, and a cat - that I put in a cage, and named Sheryl.

    She is a bitch and noisy!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    ^^^I hold Sheryl Crow in a cage.

    It's just a crow I caught - using a clean sliding-glass-door, and a cat - that I put in a cage, and named Sheryl though.

    She is a bitch and noisy!
    Maybe name the cage resentment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Richard View Post
    Maybe name the cage resentment
    fcuk yeah! - You should wear a top-hat and monocle from now on.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    fcuk yeah! - You should wear a top-hat and monocle from now on.


    Wait, are we diverting this thread?

    RUN! HERE COMES CHUM!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post


    Wait, are we diverting this thread?
    it's called a "side-path excursion"
    Many of us have done this on a MTB ride - we're still here, just enjoying some flowers over there
    It's a great tactic to "ditch the trolls" or refocus a thread too - or it continues down a silly path - either way ... yeah, Sorry CHUM

    by all means, continue arguing about rep, and what mods and admins do or don't do!

    I was just checkin out this cool thing over here - ooh something shiny!!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Well, ain't that fancy. thanks, AZ. haha.

    edit: how the heck do y'all respond back within seconds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    fcuk yeah! - You should wear a top-hat and monocle from now on.
    I would, but I don't want to mess with my current look
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    two more cents....

    first of all, mods had to get involved. this place was getting rowdier than F88... which was an absolute ZOO! [fond longing sigh] imho that's not a big issue because there should be a "romper room" on the forum where the retarts and morans can run wild and free with impunity. the problem is that it's been spilling out into other forums with OC'ers running amuck OC style in the forum at large. however, that should be the issue that's addressed instead of muzzling, censoring, and censuring the OC as a whole.

    imho, and i'd wager most OC'ers would agree, there needs to be a sub-forum (be it the OC or reopen F88) where any topic is fair game be it politics, religion, etc. (use common sense: no kiddie porn, illegal trails, terrorism, etc.) along with whatever sparring, flame wars, insults, trolling, and/or whatever accompanies it. rep should be turned off in this forum and no complaints accepted for any behavior therein -- perhaps with the top sticky being an FAQ/disclaimer titled something dante-esque like "abandon all hope ye who enter here".

    which brings us to rep... it should be turned off. period.

    contrary to the assertions of some it is not a reflection of one's trustworthiness or an accurate barometer of those who should be trusted, revered, reviled, or avoided; and it has absolutely nothing to do with one's reputable contribution to the mtn biking aspect of the site be it parts, health/nutrition, skills, wrenching, etc.

    some have suggested the rep system is a valuable tool for "self policing" the forum. however, i would submit it is a poor, no... abysmal method because that's merely a scenario of the inmates running the asylum and frequently encourages (and has resulted in) a mob mentality. circle jerking and rep-whoring has caused wildly skewed and artificially inflated rep ratings which are then supposed to be considered an accurate barometer of a member?

    though well intended when instituted it has been blatantly, openly, and unashamedly misused. it has been used as a tool to bully, intimidate, and retaliate against other members for although it means absolutely nothing there are those on here who genuinely seem to think it does. the proof? just look at how much butt-hurt and incredulous indignation (i.e. going bat guano) erupted when MTBR reigned in an out of control and seriously abused system.

    many publicly tout intangible, subjectively distributed green dots as a caste system and methodology of evaluating others or that it is somehow reflective of esteem to any degree. i've even read statements that rep is a valuable reflection of one in a "real world" sense and reflection of their character, which is wholly non-sensical as well as light years beyond preposterous.

    some have even gone as far as to refer to high rep members as having "tenure" -- which is beyond ludicrous. tenure is a position that one is granted wherein they cannot be summarily removed or describes one's time spent somewhere or holding a position. so more accurately one's join date would be a more valid determiner of tenure status.

    no doubt some will howl "butt hurt" by stating this, but if so will only go to further validate my position. (and one that is held and has been stated by many, many others)

    the bottom line is that the rep system has created nothing but a huge copulation cluster since it's inception, has sullied MTBR on a grand scale, and we'd be better off without it.

    mods: OPEN A FORUM WHERE ANYTHING GOES. give us a place to unwind, run wild, and discuss any topic in any manner we wish. if it spills out into the rest of the forum then penalize that action rather than stifling the sub-forum at large.

    we need it.

    we want it.

    we'll treat it right.

    it'll be a happy ending for everyone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    no doubt some will howl "butt hurt" by stating this, but if so will only go to further validate my position.
    In other words: I am right, and if somebody disagrees with that, it just proves that I am right.




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    nice spin...

    Quote Originally Posted by monogod
    no doubt some will howl "butt hurt" by stating this, but if so will only go to further validate my position.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura
    In other words: I am right, and if somebody disagrees with that, it just proves that I am right.




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    interesting you left off the following sentence, as the position stated was/is not solely mine. that's either poor reading comprehension, disingenuous representation, trolling, or a simple misunderstanding. rather than assume which it is and run the risk of false causation attribution i'll simply extrapolate.

    the position stated (which is one that's been voiced by mods, OC regulars, and many, many other members on MTBR) was that some take rep way too seriously. coincidentally these individuals have historically been the very ones to refuse to admit the emperor is naked and subsequently dismiss any statements critical of the rep system or the abuse of it as "butt hurt" rather than offering a coherent disagreement/rebuttal via meritorious points.

    ergo, if there are claims of "butt hurt" in defensive dismissal subsequent to critical statements of the rep system it actually does validate the previously stated position that some take it too seriously.

    hope that helped.

    now perhaps you'd indulge me a question, mag.... do you agree or disagree that an "anything goes" forum as i also mentioned in that post where we are free to discuss what we like and how we like with no repercussions (be they rep or otherwise) would be an attractive addition to MTBR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    do you agree or disagree that an "anything goes" forum as i also mentioned in that post where we are free to discuss what we like and how we like with no repercussions (be they rep or otherwise) would be an attractive addition to MTBR?
    no, it would be toxic. i would not go. dunno who would, but vaya con dio amigos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post

    now perhaps you'd indulge me a question, mag.... do you agree or disagree that an "anything goes" forum as i also mentioned in that post where we are free to discuss what we like and how we like with no repercussions (be they rep or otherwise) would be an attractive addition to MTBR?
    To be honest, I don't really care what sort of rep system, and what not is installed.
    What bothers me, is the number of users not happy with the way things are.
    In many cases this has been a matter of people being unhappy with lack of moderation, lack of transparency, and changes (coupled with lack of transparency as well).

    To open a new forum, with even less moderation, more changes, and room for even less transparency....nope, that's not a way to fire up the peace pipe.


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    As I was recently welcomed into the OC family, I feel obligated to post something in this thread.

    tl:dr

    All done! Carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Why are you singling me out, ive stated twice we should take a breath and let this issue lie, and thats what i will be doing.
    i wouldn't hold your breath with this one tones, flops like fish...
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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    interesting you left off the following sentence, as the position stated was/is not solely mine. that's either poor reading comprehension, disingenuous representation, trolling, or a simple misunderstanding. rather than assume which it is and run the risk of false causation attribution i'll simply extrapolate.

    the position stated (which is one that's been voiced by mods, OC regulars, and many, many other members on MTBR) was that some take rep way too seriously. coincidentally these individuals have historically been the very ones to refuse to admit the emperor is naked and subsequently dismiss any statements critical of the rep system or the abuse of it as "butt hurt" rather than offering a coherent disagreement/rebuttal via meritorious points.

    ergo, if there are claims of "butt hurt" in defensive dismissal subsequent to critical statements of the rep system it actually does validate the previously stated position that some take it too seriously.

    hope that helped.

    now perhaps you'd indulge me a question, mag.... do you agree or disagree that an "anything goes" forum as i also mentioned in that post where we are free to discuss what we like and how we like with no repercussions (be they rep or otherwise) would be an attractive addition to MTBR?
    Dude... put down the thesaurus.... Your trying too hard... haha..

    I do like the thought of having a F88-ish sub forum without any rep. That makes sense, but I feel it would get crazy in there. But it would be fun for those with thick skin..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    Let's not blow this out of proportion. MTBR wouldn't die without CHUM as a moderator nor me or even shiggy. It wouldn't die without the OC forum, heck it didn't die without the POSER forum which was prophesied by the proponents of that forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE
    There's a Poser forum... man this place is getting more and more embarrassing by the day.
    not "Poser" but "PoSER". as in Political Socio-Economic Religion. a.k.a. F88.

    when it was closed the end of MTBR was prophesied by many members who went on start f88me and postulated that due to the enormous popularity of F88 MTBR would be deserted by everyone jumping ship to the new forum - which clearly was not the case.

    likewise, rock is stating that the wheels of the MTBR bus will keep going 'round and 'round even if the OC is closed and/or we're leashed/muzzled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sodak06 View Post
    Dude... put down the thesaurus.... Your trying too hard... haha..
    dude... pick up a thesaurus.... i believe "you're" was the word you were seeking... haha..

    Quote Originally Posted by sodak
    I do like the thought of having a F88-ish sub forum without any rep. That makes sense, but I feel it would get crazy in there. But it would be fun for those with thick skin..
    i know, bro... right?!?!

    might get a little rowdy at times, but not necessarily in every thread. and yeah... the thin skinned would be hors d'oeuvres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sodak06 View Post
    I do like the thought of having a F88-ish sub forum without any rep. That makes sense, but I feel it would get crazy in there. But it would be fun for those with thick skin..
    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    not "Poser" but "PoSER". as in Political Socio-Economic Religion. a.k.a. F88.

    when it was closed the end of MTBR was prophesied by many members who went on start f88me and postulated that due to the enormous popularity of F88 MTBR would be deserted by everyone jumping ship to the new forum - which clearly was not the case.

    likewise, rock is stating that the wheels of the MTBR bus will keep going 'round and 'round even if the OC is closed and/or we're leashed/muzzled.
    I get the feeling that the site owners / admins like "low-maintenance" forums. If the OC and rep are already thorns in their side (by causing extra attention and work) I can only imagine the stress a PoSER/F88 style forum would cause them.

    I'm certain PoSER'ish behavior would leak out onto the rest of the site just as OC'ish behavior has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    no, it would be toxic. i would not go. dunno who would, but vaya con dio amigos.
    wouldn't go, you say? you're basically already there! ya already hang in the OC and it's pretty much gotten to be F88 lately. mods were cool and didn't even step in until it started spilling out into the rest of the forum -- both being decisions i personally respect.

    F88 was a great place. wildly popular, delightfully irreverent, sardonically trendy, fashionably unfashionable, tragically hip, and highly lurked. OC is basically the same only with much more moderation and lots of off limit topics.

    but i will absolutely agree with you it's not for everyone. heck the thin skinned already don't fare well in the OC as it is. moreover, forum-wide people already open threads and then waste time to whine and complain over the content, which is never going to change, but i'm a big believer in personal responsibility. i.e.: if ya don't like it ("ya" meant in general, not directed at you personally) then just close the thread and move alone to one that suits ya. if you're too thinned skinned then either htfu or gtfo.

    did some F88 threads get heated? yeah. just like they do here in the OC. but that's the nature of the beast when topics like religion, abortion, politics, gun control, etc. are fair game. however not all of them did and there was the freedom to talk about whatever you wanted to in whatever fashion you wished. for example: lizard would NEVER have gotten a time out for his "infraction" in F88.

    i'm not saying that kind of freedom is for everyone, just look at how many people vote idiots into office to do their thinking for them and how many people at large are complacent with this paradigm -- but i submit it would be nice to have a place like that for those that desired it. a place were we have the freedom and latitude to discuss what we like how we like. a place where the mod's solution to the thin skinned poofs would be to tell the whiners to relocate to a more flowery and gentle sub-forum of cotton candy and unicorn farts rather than shutting down or muzzling the entire sub-forum.

    i submit that is not an unreasonable request. i submit it would take personal responsibility and accountability to keep it within that sub-forum and not run amuck elsewhere. i submit that those who would enjoy such a venue would do just that.

    likewise i submit it would be just as popular as F88 was.
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    How about we do what the Mods and other people suggested and stop posting about it?
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Some people just have to stir the pot.

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    If this forum became PoSER, I would leave entirely and never look back. If one of those was created I would give it a wide berth. F88 was not my kinda place and it bred toxicity that spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    I have been advised by "_" that "locked [space][hyphen][space]time out" is a prohibited custom user title. Jesus H Christ this place is getting lame.
    Holy cow poor guy how will you ever cope? Talk about first world problems, bent out of joint because you can't have a particular user title and you wonder why we are so hard on this forum. Go ride your bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    wouldn't go, you say? you're basically already there! ya already hang in the OC and it's pretty much gotten to be F88 lately. mods were cool and didn't even step in until it started spilling out into the rest of the forum -- both being decisions i personally respect.

    F88 was a great place. wildly popular, delightfully irreverent, sardonically trendy, fashionably unfashionable, tragically hip, and highly lurked. OC is basically the same only with much more moderation and lots of off limit topics.

    but i will absolutely agree with you it's not for everyone. heck the thin skinned already don't fare well in the OC as it is. moreover, forum-wide people already open threads and then waste time to whine and complain over the content, which is never going to change, but i'm a big believer in personal responsibility. i.e.: if ya don't like it ("ya" meant in general, not directed at you personally) then just close the thread and move alone to one that suits ya. if you're too thinned skinned then either htfu or gtfo.

    did some F88 threads get heated? yeah. just like they do here in the OC. but that's the nature of the beast when topics like religion, abortion, politics, gun control, etc. are fair game. however not all of them did and there was the freedom to talk about whatever you wanted to in whatever fashion you wished. for example: lizard would NEVER have gotten a time out for his "infraction" in F88.

    i'm not saying that kind of freedom is for everyone, just look at how many people vote idiots into office to do their thinking for them and how many people at large are complacent with this paradigm -- but i submit it would be nice to have a place like that for those that desired it. a place were we have the freedom and latitude to discuss what we like how we like. a place where the mod's solution to the thin skinned poofs would be to tell the whiners to relocate to a more flowery and gentle sub-forum of cotton candy and unicorn farts rather than shutting down or muzzling the entire sub-forum.

    i submit that is not an unreasonable request. i submit it would take personal responsibility and accountability to keep it within that sub-forum and not run amuck elsewhere. i submit that those who would enjoy such a venue would do just that.

    likewise i submit it would be just as popular as F88 was.
    unlike your first post - which was unnecessarily abrasive and sounded just like you were trying to be different and stir the pot - i can agree with most of your statements in this one.

    you have an uncanny ability to get under peoples skin - i see exactly why you would enjoy "anything goes" forum. however - there are not enough people that would be able to provide the same kind of responses - for one forum to become successful - for whatever reason - including the fact that most of us here come to have fun, not to piss each other.

    instead of trying so hard to say things the way they are, maybe you should polish your presentation just a bit and use your intelligence - which i will give you a compliment for - in more fun and friendly way. no need to sack anyone and everyone with your merciless tongue - every time. though there are times when it is necessary - like in Lance Armstrong threads.

    you also have a (good) ability to describe things very accurately, using fun vocabulary and offer valid stand points. but for pete's sake - polish your presentation, lighten up just a bit, and let's have some fun around here... no need to try to bury everyone 6 feet under with every post, eh? even when you are right - you have to know when you have to pull the plug if you are smarter...

    you know what i am talking about?

    so between the mods and what the majority of OCers want - let's try to find that happy medium and have fun exchange of opinions, ride pics and videos or just take a piss at each other... not piss each other...

    what say you?

    this could be a small step for you, but a huge leap for MTBR, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I get the feeling that the site owners / admins like "low-maintenance" forums. If the OC and rep are already thorns in their side (by causing extra attention and work) I can only imagine the stress a PoSER/F88 style forum would cause them.
    my point exactly! the OC is a thorn in their side as well as extra attention and work in order to KEEP it highly modded due to we natives voting with our behavior as to how we'd like it to be.

    a PoSER/F88 style forum as i've described would be the ultimate "low-maintenance" forum due to it's very nature. modded only for inappropriate content (porn, terrorism, illegal trails, etc.) but other than that laissez faire. participation in the forum would be tacit acceptance of "romper room rules" and whiners would be referred to the FAQ's which include "enter at your own risk".

    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli
    I'm certain PoSER'ish behavior would leak out onto the rest of the site just as OC'ish behavior has.
    quite possibly so, but should that occur then i submit such behavior should be addressed at that time rather than using the possibility of such behavior as a reason to not provide such a venue. however, i further submit this is where personal responsibility and self policing would come into play. if a PoSER bro/sis is getting whack outside the yard then reel 'em in.

    the rowdies and rogues that comprise the OC and would most likely populate a reopened PoSER or resanctioned OC are quality peeps at heart. to that end i'd be willing to pretty much guarantee that if called out by a fellow PoSER in a PM for behavior unbecoming outside the clubhouse that 99 times out of 100 self-regulation would be all that'd be required -- thus imposing less burdens on the mods.

    conversely if someone insists on "OCing" all over the rest of the forum then the mods can always kick 'em in the taco.
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    we do not want a troll/flame-war forum like you clearly want
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    we do not want a troll/flame-war forum like you clearly want
    you've completely missed the point, for one thing. i'm not advocating a hate filled forum of being at war all the time and constant mean spirited conflict. i'm advocating a place that you can discuss anything you want, and if ya wanna be snarky in doing so... fine. something the OC pretty much already is.

    with all due respect and (honestly) no insult meant i can't understand why you of all people wouldn't appreciate that. you troll, insult, and flame on a grand scale forum-wide (though very passive aggressively) and have the gift of snark. same for many others around here.

    i'm advocating a forum not much different than what the OC had become before the mods just stepped in. gun control, politics, etc. (i.e. prohibited topics) have frequently been topics of conversation WITHOUT mod interference and you've been ok with it. people are snarky, irreverent, trolling, and flaming away in the OC again WITHOUT mod interference and you've not only been ok with it but participate in it.

    then when it starts spilling out into the rest of the forum and the mods step in with threats of taco-kicking everyone whines and moans about being reigned in -- yet when i suggest letting us go on in the OC as we have been as long as we KEEP it in the OC now all the sudden all this self-righteous indignation appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    i'm advocating a place that you can discuss anything you want,



    This magical place you seek already exists, just not here. I'm an advocate of keeping it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Holy cow poor guy how will you ever cope? Talk about first world problems, bent out of joint because you can't have a particular user title and you wonder why we are so hard on this forum. Go ride your bike.
    RC, with all due respect, I think your sarcasm detector may be overdue for servicing. Come on man, it was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    imho, and i'd wager most OC'ers would agree, there needs to be a sub-forum (be it the OC or reopen F88) where any topic is fair game be it politics, religion, etc. (use common sense: no kiddie porn, illegal trails, terrorism, etc.) along with whatever sparring, flame wars, insults, trolling, and/or whatever accompanies it. rep should be turned off in this forum and no complaints accepted for any behavior therein -- perhaps with the top sticky being an FAQ/disclaimer titled something dante-esque like "abandon all hope ye who enter here".
    I believe the subforum you are looking for is the BikeForums "Trollheim" section. From their description: "Anything goes, within reason. This forum has minimal moderation. Enter at your own risk, and abandon all hope, ye who enter here. First, type in the password on the password prompt to gain entry and acknowledge that you have a thick skin..." "We will not tolerate criminal activity in here, however, and will cooperate with law enforcement. We do reserve the right to close and delete threads as needed, and any spillout of Trollheim Conflicts into other forums will result in sanctions and loss of Trollheim Access forever. Attacks on our staff will result in the same. Trollheim requires you be 18 years of age."

    Also: "Terms of use for the this forum:

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    You can even cuss in there, although you have to know how to defeat the censor .

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac
    How about we do what the Mods and other people suggested and stop posting about it?
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Some people just have to stir the pot.
    with all due respect i'd submit that my opinion (anyone's, for that matter) has just as much right to be added to an open, unlocked thread as did the 200+ opinions that preceded it.

    the mods and others suggested a cessation on the petulant whining about recent MTBR admin and mods' decisions/actions. again with all due respect i'll point out that unlike a many others i wasn't pissing and moaning about what the mods had done and are doing.

    in fact, contrary to whining about it i stated clearly that i supported their decision to step in because they had no option. the OC left them no option. supporting it doesn't mean i like the repercussions, only that i support it. they pretty much allowed us the latitude to run wild in here and it was spilling out into the rest of the forum. they had no option but to step in.

    think about it guys... chum's an easy going dude so for him to feel the need to intervene things were getting kinda wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post

    the mods and others suggested a cessation on the petulant whining




    Yet you continue to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    This magical place you seek already exists, just not here. I'm an advocate of keeping it that way.
    iow: censorship > personal accountability

    sadly, deep down i fear that in the end i agree with your last sentence -- especially after all the ruckus simple redirection has caused. especially after the ruckus rep revision caused, with some people equating the removal of green dots to being forcibly sodomized. and most sadly especially after the uproar that suggesting a sub-forum of topic freedom hallmarked by personal accountability and responsible self-governing.

    freedom is scary for it requires personal accountability and restraint. much easier to just let someone else do the thinkin' for ya and walk between the painted lines... eh comrade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    with all due respect and (honestly) no insult meant i can't understand why you of all people wouldn't appreciate that. you troll, insult, and flame on a grand scale forum-wide (though very passive aggressively) and have the gift of snark. same for many others around here:
    You mention personal responsibility, lol, does the concept of do as I say but not as I do mean the same to you?
    Think the best thing about mtbr, and especially oc, is the comradery, which I have yet to see you partake in. Even if Dell's not always a perfect respectable member, at least he's light hearted and fun, what do you offer?
    I submit that Osokolo's post was spot on, and I have suggested a few times to you that you should at least consider using your brains for good instead of evil.
    You say that you can be trusted in a forum with no holds barred, yet you're choosing to speaking to other members in your normal and expected nasty tone in a, and as a response. You should consider the fact that others aren't as stupid as you think, and you need to step up your game if you don't want people to get your number, because it seams clear that more and more have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod
    the mods and others suggested a cessation on the petulant whining about recent MTBR admin and mods' decisions/actions.
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Yet you continue to do so.
    oops... you forgot something. fify.

    easy to spin something by quote mining and snipping sentences.

    i'm not sure how "i support their decision" equates in your mind to "petulant whining about recent MTBR admin and mods' decisions/actions" but i can't wait to hear you try to reconcile it.

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    More passive/aggressive trolling from mono who continues to attempt to advance his own unpopular agenda.

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    Wow, who doesnt fit here? Momo needs to go back to that cesspool f88me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    More passive/aggressive trolling from mono who continues to attempt to advance his own unpopular agenda.
    hmmmm.... let's see....

    OC runs wild with little to no mod intervention ---------> natives are happy.

    "OCing" spills into rest of the forum ---------> mods are unhappy.

    mods intervene -----------> natives soil themselves.

    i suggest an alternative compromise that restores the "wild" OC (placates the natives) and keeps "OCing" out of the rest of the forum (placates the mods).

    yet your position is that this "win-win" suggestion was merely passive/aggressive trolling and seeking to advance my own unpopular agenda?

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    This thread was successfully going the way of the OC until mono had to step in. I mostly lurk as can be seen by my low post count, but it would probably be advisable to not stir the pot any more and leave it be as the mods have suggested. Ill leave you all with this to lighten the mood....

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    There will never be another PoSER/f88 here on mtbr...

    However, the f88me site is still up. It does need new members (currently it is failing).

    If some of y'all are so disenfranchised with how MTBR conducts itself I am sure f88me would welcome you in. In there is very light moderation...only real rules are 1) no personal info and 2) no porn.

    here is the address:
    Mountain Bike Forum - f88me at indymtb

    Some of y'all may have a good time for a spell...and discover a place where you can be as rowdy as you like when the mood strikes.....

    it's better than getting the ban hammer here right?
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    Hey Chum, there are certain places in this thread, and I'm sure you've seen them, that the poster would warrant a neg. That is why, if we continue to have the ability to rep in any fashion, negs must stay. And I'm sure that there are those among us that would also like to gang up on some of them and neg away.

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    I just noticed that even when the Mods turn off their rep glow-stick, the rep power still shows.

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    Looks like people can still give you positive or negative rep and the change would be indicated in your Rep Power count. I doubt this will appease those who truly want to opt-out of the rep system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I just noticed that even when the Mods turn off their rep glow-stick, the rep power still shows.

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    Looks like people can still give you positive or negative rep and the change would be indicated in your Rep Power count. I doubt this will appease those who truly want to opt-out of the rep system.
    agreed...

    that feature is not really a feature... don't know what to call it really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    Hey Chum, there are certain places in this thread, and I'm sure you've seen them, that the poster would warrant a neg. That is why, if we continue to have the ability to rep in any fashion, negs must stay. And I'm sure that there are those among us that would also like to gang up on some of them and neg away.
    thank you for illustrating my point.

    independently throwing a neg at someone for being wrong/stoopid/etc...is OK

    acting as a group for the sole purpose of 'ganging' up on someone is no longer an independent action...it is not OK

    do you get it now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    agreed...

    that feature is not really a feature... don't know what to call it really...
    it was put in place because the green chiclets out-greened the awesomeness of my lime green shark....

    and that was unacceptable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    it was put in place because the green chiclets detracted from the awesomeness of my lime green shark....

    and that was unacceptable...
    This gang negative repping you keep on talking about, has as far as I'm concerned never happened.
    The closest it's been to that to my knowledge, is when MountainCycleShawn found himself in an unfortunate situation. There was some joking about doing so, but to my knowledge it never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    agreed...

    that feature is not really a feature... don't know what to call it really...
    I just like the black chicklet. Maybe it's a ninja thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    it was put in place because the green chiclets out-greened the awesomeness of my lime green shark....

    and that was unacceptable...
    true dat.

    i get it now.
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    Lol looks like the forum got what it had coming. Introduce petty systems and you get petty drama, what a surprise.

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    I hate to say this, but occasionally, a point has to be made. I haven't ever been a part of a gang style negging, but you know as well as anyone that sometimes banning someone isn't going to cut it. They need to go out in style, or a blaze of glory. Two fingers flying at the world. At those times, a gang neg would be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    I hate to say this, but occasionally, a point has to be made. I haven't ever been a part of a gang style negging, but you know as well as anyone that sometimes banning someone isn't going to cut it. They need to go out in style, or a blaze of glory. Two fingers flying at the world. At those times, a gang neg would be necessary.
    so....now you Moderate here on MTBR? Was this a type of self-appointment that you dole out the harshies to other members?

    And if you did not have enough juice to punish hard enough you would enlist the help of others...deputize so to speak?

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    Is it time for narwhals and unicorns yet? I don't want to get taco'd, but honestly, it seems like we have covered just about everything at this point in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    thank you for illustrating my point.

    independently throwing a neg at someone for being wrong/stoopid/etc...is OK

    acting as a group for the sole purpose of 'ganging' up on someone is no longer an independent action...it is not OK

    do you get it now?
    I agree.

    If a member posts (in a separate thread) "Hey, everyone come -rep this guy in this other thread!" then I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed.

    However, if several like-minded individuals independently decide to -rep one person in particular it's not really ganging up on someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Is it time for narwhals and unicorns yet? I don't want to get taco'd, but honestly, it seems like we have covered just about everything at this point in the thread.
    I just searched and loaded the narwhal video for embed about 10 minutes ago...finger on button
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ridealot View Post
    I just searched and loaded the narwhal video for inbed about 10 minutes ago...finger on button
    i thought we were done discussing MTBR changes, but we went on discussing other OC individual issues - like monogod... which is good... i like reading most of his posts - with a little change he can be razor fun guy to talk to...

    on the other hand - rep system was supposed to be left alone... don't know why scott brought it up again... we have a moratorium in effect - nothing new to be said, i think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I agree.

    If a member posts (in a separate thread) "Hey, everyone come -rep this guy in this other thread!" then I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed.

    However, if several like-minded individuals independently decide to -rep one person in particular it's not really ganging up on someone.
    It is when it's discussed prior to doing so....which has been happening with higher and higher frequency.

    There is no way us Mods can monitor every single post - we can monitor and address trends...

    that is what's happening now.
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    I was just trying to point out that occasionally a neg is merited. I'm not a mod, nor do I have any interest in being one. I think the ones we have do a generally good job, and in the case of Chum, do a great job. Sorry if I got your taint hair in a knot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post


    There will never be another PoSER/f88 here on mtbr...

    However, the f88me site is still up. It does need new members (currently it is failing).

    If some of y'all are so disenfranchised with how MTBR conducts itself I am sure f88me would welcome you in. In there is very light moderation...only real rules are 1) no personal info and 2) no porn.

    here is the address:
    Mountain Bike Forum - f88me at indymtb

    Some of y'all may have a good time for a spell...and discover a place where you can be as rowdy as you like when the mood strikes.....

    it's better than getting the ban hammer here right?
    again chum, a quick review will show that i support the recent decisions and actions of the admins/mods and have in no way communicated within this thread a feeling of disenfranchisement with how MTBR conducts itself. i'd PM a mod if i had an issue with them.

    for the record: f88me is excrement.

    for the record: i'm not suggesting a sub-forum in that wise.

    it appears there is a great deal of confusion concerning the specifics of my suggestion so i'll clarify.

    when the PoSER forum was locked i joined f88me but terminated my membership fairly quickly. as did many others. why? because was founded by mean-spirited, spiritually ugly, black hearted people who enjoy being cruel and offensive merely for it's own sake -- and that is not what i enjoy, participate in, or am suggesting be instituted/restored here. f88me is failing because it doesn't appeal to most other people either.

    there is a difference between having topic freedom, lively debate, and tossing around good natured barbs (or taking a piss at someone, as it's referred to more and more frequently) and the abject cruelty and insensitivity that defines f88me. i'm advocating the former rather than the latter.

    as with any other member on the forum my sarcasm and/or sense of humor can be taken lightly or assigned a sinister motive. if it's taken as it's meant, which is good natured ribbing, then so be it. if it's taken wrong and ascribed a sinister motive, then so be it. won't lose or gain a minute of sleep either way.

    yet again, all i can do is tell ya's that i loves all yous peeps and that my dry, somewhat sarcastic sense of humor is just that... a sense of humor. one no different from many others and even far less caustic, abrasive, and sarcastic than quite a few that aren't taken wrong. how you (generically speaking, not "you, chum") take it's completely up to you. glass half full or half empty?

    my suggestion was merely one that would allow the OC continue as it's been going (i.e. lots of topic latitude, etc.) with a group pledge to do a better job at self-governing and to take accountability for ourselves and fellow riders by preventing "OCing" from spilling out elsewhere in the forum rather than to clone f88me in a sub-forum.

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    I agree.

    If a member posts (in a separate thread) "Hey, everyone come -rep this guy in this other thread!" then I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed.

    However, if several like-minded individuals independently decide to -rep one person in particular it's not really ganging up on someone.
    It is when it's discussed prior to doing so....which has been happening with higher and higher frequency.

    There is no way us Mods can monitor every single post - we can monitor and address trends...

    that is what's happening now.
    If it's discussed prior to doing so, then it falls within the first section of my response and I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

    This is an honest question: Let's say there is an individual who has been dogpiled with positive or negative rep (and there's no collusion amongst the other members to do so). Should something be done about it? If so, what?

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    osokolo -- thanks for your previous post (small step, giant leap). you raised some good points that deserved recognition and response but imho it's too volatile in here at the moment. perhaps forever, i dunno...

    i'll PM it instead if you're interested. if not, thanks for your coherent, rational input just the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    If it's discussed prior to doing so, then it falls within the first section of my response and I feel the member should be warned and the instigating post removed. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

    This is an honest question: Let's say there is an individual who has been dogpiled with positive or negative rep (and there's no collusion amongst the other members to do so). Should something be done about it? If so, what?
    Aha! Marp, you phrased it better than me. To me this is what rep is for. Love/Hate and letting us "self-police". Occasionally someone wants to dump gas on themselves and run around asking for a match. And occasionally we, with a mutual understanding of how the OC has been handled and how we as the users like it, begin throwing matches at them. I see this as the reason the gun/religion/politics threads lead to whinefests. I might agree with some of the points, but I get tired of hearing people ***** and moan with the same crap I'm hearing on TV all day. We all have the same idea of what's fun, we just vary on other topics.

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    Woohoo! It lives!

    All this talk about warnings when really, don't you think a time out is a warning for getting banned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Woohoo! It lives!

    All this talk about warnings when really, don't you think a time out is a warning for getting banned?
    Warning, time out, temporary suspension, smack on the a$$, whatever you call it.

    EDIT: Forgot "taco kick" <- my new favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    Warning, time out, temporary suspension, smack on the a$$, whatever you call it.

    EDIT: Forgot "taco kick" <- my new favorite.
    dangit! was gonna add "taco kick" but ya beat me to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    dangit! was gonna add "taco kick" but ya beat me to it!



    CHUM, if you ever feel fit to ban me. Please put "Kicked in the taco" as my custom user title.

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    You know. I LOVE tacos. I feel like you are demeaning to tacos. Hmph.

    p.s. Okay. Breathe. Relax. And BEHAVE now. Poor Chum and Rockstar. You guys are a handful.

    They are no longer employees of the month at the Mod House thanks to you lot. Poor guys. You guys owe them.

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    WHAT?! They're not EoM?! That's BS! Who do we need to neg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    ...

    This is an honest question: Let's say there is an individual who has been dogpiled with positive or negative rep (and there's no collusion amongst the other members to do so). Should something be done about it? If so, what?
    Yes. When there is a growing trend of the same cast 'enforcing' MTBR rules...or their version of the rules.

    What is currently happening is what's being done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    Aha! Marp, you phrased it better than me. To me this is what rep is for. Love/Hate and letting us "self-police". Occasionally someone wants to dump gas on themselves and run around asking for a match. And occasionally we, with a mutual understanding of how the OC has been handled and how we as the users like it, begin throwing matches at them. I see this as the reason the gun/religion/politics threads lead to whinefests. I might agree with some of the points, but I get tired of hearing people ***** and moan with the same crap I'm hearing on TV all day. We all have the same idea of what's fun, we just vary on other topics.
    This has been happening outside the OC....where the OC culture/attitude/atmosphere are not so appreciated by other forum members.

    You see a member flaming out - report it.
    You don't like a thread - report it.
    You don't think we act fast enough - ignore the member/thread.

    Do not take into your collective hands to try and enforce MTBR policy.

    This is a poor analogy....if you see someone speeding do you pull them over? No. Do you call your friends to follow them home so you can intimidate? No.

    You would end up in jail....

    In here you end up in the 'corner' or uninvited all together.

    I'm done with this nonsense - I've made my point as clear as I possibly can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    You know. I LOVE tacos. I feel like you are demeaning to tacos. Hmph.

    p.s. Okay. Breathe. Relax. And BEHAVE now. Poor Chum and Rockstar. You guys are a handful.

    They are no longer employees of the month at the Mod House thanks to you lot. Poor guys. You guys owe them.
    Who is now? You?

    Nice job of flying under the radar. I can appreciate that. You can get a lot done if nobody notices you doing it.
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