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    The Missy Giove Story, Told By Her....

    This was already posted in the General Discussion forum yesterday by Technician. But for those that haven't read it yet, check it out. As Cyclelicious said in the other thread her life story would make a great movie. A few years back Missy Giove the all time best woman's DH racer gets busted for major pot distribution. But it was always a mystery of what really happened to her. This article is her story told by her.

    I saw her at the NORBA Nationals a couple times in Big Bear California. I watched her race but also saw her cruising around the vendor exhibits on her bike with her girlfriend riding on the handlebars. Her famous trademark was she always wore a dried up Piranha around her neck as a necklace. She's showing off the pirahna in the one photo. Be sure to read all 3 pages it's extremely interesting.

    Full 3 page interview here Missy Giove, an X Games Star's Criminal Ride - MensJournal.com

    And parts of the interview that didn't make it to print. Extended interview with Missy Giove: Mechanics, mini-motos and more | Dirt Rag Magazine

    And more here Photo Gallery: Exclusive Missy Giove interview outtakes | Dirt Rag Magazine

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    What do you mean by "but it was always a mystery what really happened to her"??? Is she gone?

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    So awesome. Somebody on this forum has her old bikes.

    Fast Banana should make her acquaintance if they should ever bump into each other throughout the court system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    What do you mean by "but it was always a mystery what really happened to her"??? Is she gone?
    No, we knew she got busted but they never told what exactly happened to her and how she got busted. This story tells it in her words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    So awesome. Somebody on this forum has her old bikes.

    Fast Banana should make her acquaintance if they should ever bump into each other throughout the court system.
    Argh!
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    I saw Missy in OB here in San Diego, riding a road bike up the steep hills of Point Loma. She's an awesome young lady. I've always been a fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    I saw Missy in OB here in San Diego, riding a road bike up the steep hills of Point Loma. She's an awesome young lady. I've always been a fan.
    Yeah she got around So. Cal. for sure.
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    That was a great read thanks for posting it. I can't believe how some people that have so much in life can do something this stupid and throw it all away.

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    ...and Honey Badger and that McKayla girl from the Olympics.


    At some point Missy Giove knew right from wrong, but chose to ignore common sense. And anyone who helped her each are just as wrong.
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    the missle will be released.

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    ...and Honey Badger and that McKayla girl from the Olympics.


    At some point Missy Giove knew right from wrong, but chose to ignore common sense. And anyone who helped her each are just as wrong.
    That's one bad ass looking Honey Badger.YIKERS!!!
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    Waste of money and resources.

    Aren't there some murderers or rapists to keep them busy?

    I will also say, she did know the extreme risks of moving the pot out of state. She knows most states are ***** about it, and would rather spend their resources on pursuing soft, non-violent targets like her instead of dangerous ones. I am glad they were so lenient with her. She didn't deserve jail time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Waste of money and resources.

    Aren't there some murderers or rapists to keep them busy?

    I will also say, she did know the extreme risks of moving the pot out of state. She knows most states are ***** about it, and would rather spend their resources on pursuing soft, non-violent targets like her instead of dangerous ones. I am glad they were so lenient with her. She didn't deserve jail time.
    There are some LEO's that really buy the canard about cannabis being a 'gateway drug'. Also, the quantities involved can get them pretty exited. They like to quantify a crime/bust in two terms: the first, a moral imperative. That's where the 'gateway drug' thing comes in. Actually, even attempting to categorize a plant as a 'drug' is kind of unusual; tobacco, which aside from its' carcinogens, contains a well-known drug, nicotine, is rarely referred to as a 'drug'. Same for beer/liquor. Ethanol is the active ingredient, and it is most definitely a drug, but it's regulated by the BATF, not the FDA and DEA.

    Second, the material $$ value of the crime, in this case the amount of pot, is a real kicker; thinking in terms of 100-500,000 bucks worth of pot is a real turn-on in terms of busting somebody. That's a half-million dollar crime, and who knows how many kids it will send straight to the hypodermic needle!

    So, cops tend to rationalize things, just like everybody else in society does in one way or another. Vietnam was lent significance by promoting the "domino theory', and a certain percent of our military and society bought it.

    As for Missy, she's smart, she knew the risks, and that was likely a turn-on for her. Also she did not buy into the gateway BS...as we know, she's smart. But she had to know that the odds of getting busted rise astronomically with each repetition of the deal. I think the thrill of rolling that dice was a major incentive to her. she thrives on the edge. Look at how even now, she is thinking about racing DH again, in spite of the MD's all telling her she is potentially one more head injury away from serious brain damage.

    So the whole thing, from the law's perspective, to Missy's perspective, is basically a game, one that sooner or later she knew she would lose.

    Regardless of its' validity or not, when you fight the law, the law wins, eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
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    All I can say is:


    Missy Giove and Julie Furtado sandwich, with me as the meat, please?
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    The cops are getting their budgets slashed, and they have to keep their jobs and their friend's jobs somehow.

    IMHO, there is enough money to keep them in their job tied up in the 'War on Drugs'. There is even enough left over for a huge education campaign to make sure every single kid has full disclosure of drug's consequences. If they want to make stupid choices after that, their call. We can't afford to nanny everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    All I can say is:


    Missy Giove and Julie Furtado sandwich, with me as the meat, please?
    It looks like Missy doesn't eat sausage, only fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    It looks like Missy doesn't eat sausage, only fish.
    ...which is why there are three at that table.

    Otherwise, Tina Fey and Janeane Garafalo.

    Closest otherwise was the other night with the spousal unit, and the dog decides to hop up on the bed and flop/stretch herself out on my legs/ass.
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    I'm not sure about this. While I am not against people smoking a joint or five, I am strongly against the organized crime that is usually connected to the drug trade.

    Were Missy and her partner just lone wolves? Maybe, but the million + in cash would possibly point to something else. Certainly that much money would make murder a 'solution' to getting caught for some dealers.

    She was insanely lucky to get off as light as she did; it doesn't seem right to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    I'm not sure about this. While I am not against people smoking a joint or five, I am strongly against the organized crime that is usually connected to the drug trade.

    Were Missy and her partner just lone wolves? Maybe, but the million + in cash would possibly point to something else. Certainly that much money would make murder a 'solution' to getting caught for some dealers.

    She was insanely lucky to get off as light as she did; it doesn't seem right to me.

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    I can sharply recall grimey hopheads from the fringes of a BMX scene falling all over themselves on Missy Giove and this was in the early 1990's.

    The idiots have not changed, ever, and have an excuse & a Lawyer at the Card Table/Gift Table whenever anyone can.
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    favorite missle moment- met her @ '94 worlds in Vail at the cdale tent where we both were checkin out & commenting on the same hotties that were walkin by. priceless.
    it's pretty cool she still pins it on that foes.

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    She didn't want to parlay her success as a racer/personality into a job "working" as a bike industry rep schmoozing and selling and glad handing, etc at trade shows and mountain bike races, so instead she decided to involve herself in what was, at the time, a multi-felony level criminal conspiracy.

    As far as I know, and I sadly have to admit I've never had one of those jobs, what it primarily consists of is showing up at events, talking to people about mountain bike related topics, going on rides as part of your job in the best mountain biking venues around, maybe testing new products, getting your picture taken, and showing off your moves in videos. Oh, I almost forgot, you also have to collect a paycheck for all that "work".

    I'm sitting here at my desk with a mountain of work to plow through and deadlines to meet, and I'm thinking (for about 1 nano-second) whether I would trade what I'm doing for the job that didn't fit her preferred lifestyle.

    Two words.

    HELL YES.

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    DIRT RAG has her story in a recent issue. She indeed was a beast back in the day.
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    It's unfortunate that she chose the path she did but fortunate that it didn't end up a whole lot worse.
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    Screw her shes a fracking narc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    DIRT RAG has her story in a recent issue. She indeed was a beast back in the day.
    Same interview different magazine but thank's I added some links to my initial post.
    And yes she sure was a beast, I saw her race twice at the NORBA nationals in Big Bear. And if you blinked you'd miss her go by.

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    It's kind of odd that she openly admits to having "cooperated" with popo.
    Same thing I thought, pretty scary being in her shoe's now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    It looks like Missy doesn't eat sausage, only fish.
    Well said. Sounds better than carpet muncher.

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    I added some more links to the interview in the initial post of this thread for your viewing pleasure.
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    Orange Is the New Black would be a better tv show if it was based on MG's life imo.

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    Here's some video of her from 1996. Her part starts around the 6:50 mark.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishartbicycles View Post
    It's kind of odd that she openly admits to having "cooperated" with popo.
    Yeah, that can't sit like it is without 'consequences' around the corner, you'd think....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Yeah, that can't sit like it is without 'consequences' around the corner, you'd think....
    My thoughts are anyone she gave up were ready to do the time. Little fish, little fish swimmin' in the water...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    My thoughts are anyone she gave up were ready to do the time. Little fish, little fish swimmin' in the water...
    Being a law-abiding, tax paying civilian, I really wouldn't know about that kind of thing......

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    TBH, there most likely was little to no risk of her talking. She wasn't a gangbanger, so she most likely was NOT working with them. She most likely just turned in some stoners and some hippies in states where the stuff is legal, so getting to them would be a lot of trouble for the feds. Pot is different than hardcore stuff. Old hippies and their stoner buddies move pot and hallucinogens like mushrooms, LSD, and ecstasy. And many times, pot dealers only deal in that, because the other stuff are higher classification and get you in bigger trouble. Sure, gangsters move all that stuff too, but they GET IT from the hippies. The hippies hanging out in their little secluded cabins have the patience and love for serious horticulture. They love growing stuff, and they love that the stuff they grow makes people happy. LSD and ecstasy require science to get right, especially LSD. Only actual chemists can get LSD right, and advanced chemistry is still required to get ecstasy right. I have... *ehm* heard the real LSD went dry a while ago, when the feds busted the last hippie making massive amounts of the real stuff in an abandoned missile silo. The generation that knew how to make it pretty much died out, and the new generation of chemists I guess didn't feel so rebellious. Most people don't know what the real stuff is, since dozens of various scary research chemicals from China are being pawned off as the real thing. LSD in ANY dosage had no physical side effects, no matter the propaganda you read. You trip balls, but you come back as yourself, just perhaps more insightful. The research chemicals being pawned off as the real thing ARE dangerous, and have various side effects. And, you don't know which one you are even getting, so you don't know what to look out for that would indicate overdose.


    And, for the next question I know I am going to get, I am a good girl (well, in this regard. ;D). I am not a part of that world, I have never been. I just hang out with an... eclectic selection of people, some of who have first-hand knowledge of such things. I also hang out with geeks! Love teh geeks! Gamers like to get high scores. And they can drink most jocks under the table. If you want to go to the party with the best beer and most booze, go to a geek party. S'truth. Geeks go all out on everything they set their minds to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Waste of money and resources.

    Aren't there some murderers or rapists to keep them busy?

    I will also say, she did know the extreme risks of moving the pot out of state. She knows most states are ***** about it, and would rather spend their resources on pursuing soft, non-violent targets like her instead of dangerous ones. I am glad they were so lenient with her. She didn't deserve jail time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    negative, wrong is wrong no matter how you wanna slice n dice it. that kind of mindset is what has the world upside down.
    Lawful good or Lawful evil, they are both ***** deep inside.

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    Wow, Bikemaya I am sorely disappointed in your choice of friends and what you think is OK behaviour.

    I most definitely was not a good boy (unlike you) when I was young and I have absolutely nothing good to say about anyone who would be dealing in hardcore chemicals like LSD and Ecstacy, or grow-ops for that matter. If you are dealing in that sh!t you deserve jail, and lots of it. That chemical garbage, and dealing in multi-pound shipments of pot is serious enough business that people will kill you or maim you for life if you cross them. I've met plenty of these types and some of them I used to call friends. They would not be welcome on my front step let alone my house.

    What is wrong with you to think drug dealing is somehow OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    Wow, Bikemaya I am sorely disappointed in your choice of friends and what you think is OK behaviour.

    I most definitely was not a good boy (unlike you) when I was young and I have absolutely nothing good to say about anyone who would be dealing in hardcore chemicals like LSD and Ecstacy, or grow-ops for that matter. If you are dealing in that sh!t you deserve jail, and lots of it. That chemical garbage, and dealing in multi-pound shipments of pot is serious enough business that people will kill you or maim you for life if you cross them. I've met plenty of these types and some of them I used to call friends. They would not be welcome on my front step let alone my house.

    What is wrong with you to think drug dealing is somehow OK?
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    Nice find DIRTJUNKIE !
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    Hmmm look's like a Can- O - Worms has been opened.
    Dru I am totally with your opinions on this. People learn from their mistakes and by hanging out with that kind of crowd is your thing. Whatever colorful reason you have to do so it will come back to bite you. Even if your not participating in the action. I equate it to being young and haven't poor judgement. Unfortunately such judgment can land you in a whole lot of hurt. And unfortunately by the time one learns a lesson it's often too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Lawful good or Lawful evil, they are both ***** deep inside.
    smell the coffee quick.

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    Ofc, reading comprehension.

    I don't have first hand knowledge because I haven't done or seen anything of the sort. Just talking to someone doesn't get you arrested in this country. Meeting people is something humans do, right? None of the people in my life i have ever considered a 'friend' does that stuff. What can I say... I'm chill. People are forthright with me. I am sure everyone has met and conversed with people involved in drug trade somehow, but never realized it. It is common, and normal people always get mixed up in it. I have mixed feelings about how the operations go down, but I never gave a blanket pass to them. I just tell it like it is (or, at least how I heard it. This could all be bs I was told, you realize!)

    Remember, selling alcohol was a crime at one point too. And all states have stupid laws on the books still that no one follows. In my state, pot is legal with a license. Massive grow operations are allowed if you get the right paperwork, because you can grow for shops.

    I never said any of this has led to illegal behavior. In the US we have the freedom to disagree with our government, and talk about it. I happen to think there are far bigger, and worse problems in this country than drugs. Drugs are a first world problem. We have food, shelter, no domestic wars, yet always a need to fight *something*. Why not fight personal freedom? Who the eff cares what someone wants to do to themselves?! I think tattoos are a worse choice that a joint. A tattoo is a bad decision for life! No, they shouldn't be illegal. What harm do they do to others? Drugs don't harm others, no one forces them on people. Making pot legal already has a case model with the states that have done so as to the harm; NONE. Extra revenue for the states from taxing it is all that happened. Planes didn't fall out of the sky.

    How I feel about the other stuff is a mixed bag I won't get into. I don't agree with blanket legalization like some people, cause there is stuff that is really scary out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Ofc, reading comprehension.

    I don't have first hand knowledge because I haven't done or seen anything of the sort. Just talking to someone doesn't get you arrested in this country. Meeting people is something humans do,
    right? None of the people in my life i have ever
    considered a 'friend' does that stuff. What can I
    say... I'm chill. People are forthright with me. I am
    sure everyone has met and conversed with people
    involved in drug trade somehow, but never
    realized it. It is common, and normal people
    always get mixed up in it. I have mixed feelings about how the operations go down, but I never gave a blanket pass to them. I just tell it like it is (or, at least how I heard it. This could all be bs I
    was told, you realize!)

    Remember, selling alcohol was a crime at one point too. And all states have stupid laws on the books still that no one follows. In my state, pot is legal with a license. Massive grow operations are allowed if you get the right paperwork, because you can grow for shops.

    I never said any of this has led to illegal behavior. In the US we have the freedom to disagree with our government, and talk about it. I happen to
    think there are far bigger, and worse problems in
    this country than drugs. Drugs are a first world
    problem. We have food, shelter, no domestic wars,
    yet always a need to fight *something*. Why not
    fight personal freedom? Who the eff cares what
    someone wants to do to themselves?! I think
    tattoos are a worse choice that a joint. A tattoo is a
    bad decision for life! No, they shouldn't be illegal.
    What harm do they do to others? Drugs don't
    harm others, no one forces them on people.
    Making pot legal already has a case model with the
    states that have done so as to the harm; NONE.
    Extra revenue for the states from taxing it is all
    that happened. Planes didn't fall out of the sky.
    How I feel about the other stuff is a mixed bag I
    won't get into. I don't agree with blanket
    legalization like some people, cause there is stuff
    that is really scary out there.



    I'm not sure if that was directed at me or dru.
    Probably both of us. I'll give you a response. Your
    statement that "who care's if people take drugs it
    doesn't harm others". Couldn't be further from the
    truth. I lived through the 60's and 70's and 80's and 90's and 2000's and…

    I think I've been around the shit enough to know
    how many numerous ways drugs and drug addicts
    effect others and society. But instead of me
    dribbling away on this keyboard explaining my
    thoughts on it I just hit the Google button for ya.
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publ...ndcs/ii-b.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    However, music would be sh1t if it weren't for a lil' marahoochie. It changed EVERYTHING.
    Drugs, over Multi-Tracking??

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    He'll, they multi-tracked the Osmonds, but that was crap.
    Go baaaaaackkk....to Jazz and blues men, Coltrane, what it did to influence early rock n' roll.
    Besides, without really high stoner types, there never would have been a repack, and hence no MT. BIKING! ;-)
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    Bikemaya, perhaps one day you'll understand, or maybe not. The problem with the drug trade is primarily the CRIMINALS, not the drugs themselves, although I think very few psychoactive street drug should ever be legal, for all the reasons DJ pointed out in his link.

    Certainly pot and alcohol should be legal, and in all honesty I think pot is the lesser of the two evils. Tobacco shouldn't be legal nor should any hard drug (like the kind you seem fond of).

    Criminals are generally BAD PEOPLE who should be avoided. Organized criminals are especially bad. Look at the power the stupid government gave the mafia by banning booze during prohibition as an example.

    Who do you think is running the ILLEGAL CRIMINAL drug trade? Organized crime; bikers, mafia, bloods, crips, your local bad ass gangs, etc.

    They are the problem and their power is created by their customers. No customers and that revenue stream dries up, simple.

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Size:  55.3 KB I snapped this in 1990-1991 Missy, Cindy Whitehead, and Jaquie Phelan!
    Great photo I think I may have a couple of her as well. If I don't I'm sure my sister does. She raced the same circuit as her for several years.
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    I was shocked in that video to see some girls riding full suspension! I didn't think the first real rideable prototypes came out until a few years later!

    It does say a lot about where her heart is that she gave away all her bikes, keeping only an old racing bike. I am sure she could have any new fancy machine she wanted, but that isn't why she rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    I was shocked in that video to see some girls riding full suspension! I didn't think the first real rideable prototypes came out until a few years later!

    It does say a lot about where her heart is that she gave away all her bikes, keeping only an old racing bike. I am sure she could have any new fancy machine she wanted, but that isn't why she rides.
    There was full suspension bikes in the early 90's. The full DH bikes were around 95'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I think I've been around the shit enough to know
    how many numerous ways drugs and drug addicts
    effect others and society. But instead of me
    dribbling away on this keyboard explaining my
    thoughts on it I just hit the Google button for ya.
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publ...ndcs/ii-b.html
    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    Certainly pot and alcohol should be legal, and in all honesty I think pot is the lesser of the two evils. Tobacco shouldn't be legal nor should any hard drug (like the kind you seem fond of).
    "How I feel about the other stuff is a mixed bag I won't get into. I don't agree with blanket legalization like some people, cause there is stuff that is really scary out there. "

    (As I said earlier)

    For the record, most of the bad stuff was invented by pharmaceutical companies. That is the addictive stuff. I only mentioned hallucinogens, and pot is considered one. They are not addictive. Many are natural, and have been used for thousands of years by native cultures. Lots of misinformation and scare tactics have been spread about this small subset for various reasons. When it comes down to it, pot and other hallucinogens are almost universally harmless (a few exceptions because *particularly* stupid humans will put any god-damned thing in their mouths, such as frogs, even if it is poisonous. You will trip balls, puke and shit blood, then die in agony. Hope you had fun, winner of this year's Darwin award!)

    And you would be quite surprised to learn what criminals have their paws on. Did you know that, unless you are buying the really expensive extra virgin olive oil from small growers, you are supporting the mafia? True story. All the major brands are fake. The Mafia are Italian, and the VERY popular, and expensive, extra virgin olive oil from their home country just so happens to not have ANY sort of government regulation in most countries. Anyone can slap that label on any kind of olive oil, even mixes. They can even invent their own 'certification' companies to say it is authentic. It isn't. It is being cut with less expensive oils and being sold as the real deal. Many times, even without even a trace of *actual* extra virgin olive oil. Keep the right palms greased, and no regulation will ever come. People will keep paying for fakes, plenty of customers to support that arm.

    Most caviar has been illegally fished. A large percentage of timber we use is illegally clear-cut and imported from protected areas. I don't even have to get into politicians and corporations and banks. Everyone knows about them now. If you think gangs aren't still very strongly tied to *legal* casinos and gambling, you are fooling only yourself. The government stopped caring once they were able to tax them and impose rules and regulations. Abide by the laws on the outside, they can still get away with anything.

    If you spend money, gangs are getting it. Gang profits in places where pot was legalized plummeted. If there is demand for something, and they control the market, they profit. Take that market control from them, they don't. You can't get rid of demand. Obviously, all attempts so far have done nothing to get rid of customers. Time to try something different than throwing money at the same ineffective solution. Dru, you used prohibition to show how much power violent gangs gained by banning alcohol. Legalize it, they lost that grip. We are banning drugs, and violent gangs have power now, so history tells us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    There was full suspension bikes in the early 90's. The full DH bikes were around 95'.
    Ya, I was checking out those massive DH forks everyone had too, even those with the hard tails! Those surprised me too, cause I though DH specific gear was fairly new!

    I guess it is just because I didn't *really* learn until bikes until last year. When I got my first rigid mountain bike in '96, I thought they only got better if you got one with more gears. I had never even seen or conceived of suspension!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I just hit the Google button for ya.
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publ...ndcs/ii-b.html

    Whenever possible, I turn to the people making the laws to explain to me why the laws are good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Good God, she's homely!
    That cover photo from "Girlfriends" magazine weirds me out. WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Ya, I was checking out those massive DH forks everyone had too, even those with the hard tails! Those surprised me too, cause I though DH specific gear was fairly new!

    I guess it is just because I didn't *really* learn
    until bikes until last year. When I got my first rigid
    mountain bike in '96, I thought they only got better
    if you got one with more gears. I had never even
    seen or conceived of suspension!
    A friend of mine back in 91' bought one of the first full suspension bikes. It was a Yeti. Then in 93' my brother bought a full suspension Cannondale. My sister started racing XC in 93' along with her husband who raced DH. He had a 93' Trek Full suspension that he raced DH with. He then built up a custom STORM that had one of those monster motorcycle forks. In 96' all three my sister her husband and my brother custom built 3 Catamount full suspension bikes. And all 3 of those bikes are still in service today.

    That video was the same time period that my sister was racing. I hit up several events at Big Bear and watched all of those woman compete in the DH. I was there in 94', 96, and 98'. My sister and her husband traveled the country for several years racing the circuit. They were so in to MTBing
    that in 94' they got married in Moab.

    They were married way at the top of a mountain and a huge group of us rode mountain bikes afterwards and rode down the 12 mile trail. All the older people that attended the wedding were taken up and back in 4x4 vehicles.

    I didn't even own my own mtb yet but was riding loaners or rentals. I rode a loaner in Moab from my brother. A hardtail Raleigh that had
    one of the early Rock Shox elastromeric bumper forks. My one and only time I ever rode Moab and I was on an inferior bike. The frame was a medium and I normally ride a large. And it had basket pedals. I wore tennis shoes [sneakers] and the baskets drove me crazy. I couldn't deal with having my feet in the basket so I constantly would flip the pedals and ride with the flat platform up. I rode Slick Rock on that bike.

    I remember the day after the wedding we all rode Slick Rock. A large group of us were at the top of Slick Rock getting ready to go. When I noticed a guy unloading a brand new state of the art for the time. 93' or 94' Treck Y-Frame composite frame [like carbon] full suspension in shiny candy apple red paint.I went over on my crappy loaner Raleigh and talked to him about it. It being at the time what everyone wanted. He acted like he was hot shit and basically gave me the cold shoulder as I drooled over his bike and asked questions.

    After a few minutes of that crap he took off down Slick Rock. My group started in right after him. About a mile in I passed the the jerk on his bad ass Y- Frame with my too small of a frame crappy Raleigh hardtail. Ha,ha man I laughed my so hard I almost crashed. I had a MX background so ripping DH's came natural for me. I had the technique and no fear attitude. But uphills were a different story I had to work at that and still do to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    A friend of mine back in 91' bought one of the first
    fyll suspension bikes. It was a Yeti. Then in 93' my
    brother bought a full suspension Cannondale. My
    sister started racing XC in 93' along with her husband who raced DH. He had a 93' Trek Full suspension he raced DH with. He then built up a custom bike that had one of those monster motorcycle forks. In 96' all three my sister her husband and my brother custom built 3 Catamount full suspension bikes. And all 3 of those
    bikes are still in service today.

    That video was the same time period that my sister was racing. I hit up several events at Big Bear and watched all of thos woman compete in the DH. I was there in 94', 96, and 98'. My sister
    snd her husband traveled the country for several
    years racong the circuit. They were so into MTBing
    that in 94' they got married in Moab. They were married way at the top of a mountain and a huge
    group of us rode mountain bikes and after rode
    down the 12 mile trail. All the oldee people that
    attended the wedding were taken up and back in
    4x4 vehicles. I didn't even own my own mtb yet but
    was riding loaners or rentals. I rode a loaner in
    Moab from my brother. A hardtail Raleigh that had
    one of the early Rock Shox elastromic bumper
    forks. My one and only time I ever rode Moab and
    I was on an inferior bike. The frame was a medium
    and I normally ride a large. And it had basket
    pedals. I wore tennis shoes [sneakers] and the
    baskets drove me crazy. I couldn't deal with
    having my feet in the basket so I constantly would
    flip the pedals and ride with the flat platform up. I
    rode Slick Rock on that bike.

    I remember the day after the wedding we all rode Slick Rock. A large group of us were at the top of
    Slick Rock getting ready to go. When I noticed a guy
    unloading a brand new state of the art for the
    time. 93' or 94' Treck Y-Frame composite frame
    [like carbon] full suspension in shiny candy apple
    red paint.I wentt over on my crappy loaner Raleigh
    and talked to him about it. It being at the time
    what everyone wanted. He acted like he was hot
    shit and basically gave me the cold shoulder as I
    drooled over his bike and asked questions. After a
    few minutes of that crap he took off down Slick
    Rock. My group started in right after him. About a
    mile in I passed the the jerk on his bad ass Y-
    Frame with my too small of a frame crappy
    Raleigh hardtail. Oh man I laughed my so hard. I
    had a MX background so ripping DH's came natural for me. I had th technique and no fear attitude. But uphills were a different story I had to work at that nd still do to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
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    If I don't my head hurts. That's no fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    favorite missle moment- met her @ '94 worlds in Vail at the cdale tent where we both were checkin out & commenting on the same hotties that were walkin by. priceless.
    it's pretty cool she still pins it on that foes.
    That Foes is quite a bike I remember checking out her rides at Big Bear NORBA nationals in 96'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Same interview different magazine but thank's I added some links to my initial post.
    And yes she sure was a beast, I saw her race twice at the NORBA nationals in Big Bear. And if you blinked you'd miss her go by.



    Same thing I thought, pretty scary being in her shoe's now.
    We saw her @ Mt. Snow in the early 90's. Incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    Cool tale.
    Tale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Tale?
    Your thing there - riveting, action packed, gripping. All the makings of a future Cannes blockbuster.

    I laughed. I cried. It was better than 'Cats'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    Your thing there - riveting, action packed, gripping. All the makings of a future Cannes blockbuster.

    I laughed. I cried. It was better than 'Cats'.
    I'm blushing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I'm blushing.
    That'd always happen when I smoked pot too, but I had a bunch of flamingly gay men stalk me for like a year and a half.

    Now we are getting to know each other, thanks Missy Giove! I don't care what anyone says about you anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    That'd always happen when I smoked pot too, but I had a bunch of flamingly gay men stalk me for like a year and a half.

    Now we are getting to know each other, thanks Missy Giove! I don't care what anyone says about you anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
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    Dirt Junkie you reminiscing?? Annual pilgrimage??

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftless89 View Post
    Dirt Junkie you reminiscing?? Annual pilgrimage??
    Not!
    Actually I was going through some old bike vids on Youtube and came across that. I immediately thought of this thread and bam there it is.
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    So have they let her out of the slammer yet? I know somebody who needs to buy a bunch of high grade weed.
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