Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 100 of 129
  1. #1
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SuperModerator
    Reputation: Klurejr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    6,087

    Can websites censor things I say online?

    Can websites censor things I say online?
    We are often asked this question from potential clients who have had their Internet messages or postings removed by forums, message boards, website operators or ISP’s. Unfortunately, as noted above, the First Amendment only applies to government actors, and not to private website operators. Therefore, assuming the website is acting on its own, and not at the request or on the behalf of some state or federal government authority, no First Amendment right is violated. However, a customer’s relationship with a website is usually governed by a set of “Terms & Conditions” that are agreed to during the registration or access process. Those Terms & Conditions will usually identify the grounds for removal of communications or termination of the customer’s account. Such user terms and conditions are usually enforced by the courts.
    source: First Amendment Lawyer - Basic First Amendment & Censorship Information

    Since there seems to be some question as to what the "Rules" are for posting on MTBR, here is the link:

    Mtbr Posting Guidelines

    6.) The message has been posted to more than 2 boards. Posting the same message to multiple boards is spam, and all posts may be removed and the user may be banned. Please post to the most relevant board only, no more than 2.
    Site ownership is of the opinion that threads made for the sole purpose of boosting reputation or post count qualify as spam if they appear in any forum BUT the OC. If they begin to appear in other forums they will be moved back to the OC.

    do not attempt to abuse our site by making this a place for your own personal campaign against other forum members, manufacturers, or retailers nor as your own personal soapbox.***
    This would include making attacks on MTBR itself, if you do not like what MTBR is doing, feel free to Contact the Site Administrators directly.


    Thank you for being a productive part of MTBR and Happy Posting!
    Ride Bikes, Drink Craft Beer, Repeat.

    Know these before you post:
    MTBR Posting Guidelines
    e-bike sub-forum rules

  2. #2
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    So when is all this crap going to end? Can we just get on with our lives and enjoy each other's company.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  3. #3
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    +1, dj

  4. #4
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    Yes, please!
    I even tried to add value to that post.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  5. #5
    EMBA Member
    Reputation: Ladmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    1,858
    Like when I was living with my parents - their rules or move out. I've got no problem with that. It's the way it should be, IMO.

    It is curious to me though how someone could recognize a post which has the sole purpose of boosting reputation. What does that look like, exactly? Also, wouldn't that, by definition, qualify as a good post, and therefore is something we would want more of, not less?

    Lastly, who gives a rip if people want to sit around and enter post after post to get a higher post count? It's not like they win a prize or get money or something. Why is this something to try to limit? It doesn't matter.

    Rhetorical questions. Fact is, I can live just fine never knowing the answers, but it somehow feels better just asking them.

  6. #6
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    We are all sock puppets, after all.

  7. #7
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    We are all sock puppets, after all.
    Classic Movie Line #4
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  8. #8
    banned
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    2,416
    Trying too hard

  9. #9
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    I thought there was going to be a poll.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    4,899
    so we're customers? And all this time I thought we were the product.

  11. #11
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Did someone actually try to play the first amendment card?

  12. #12
    9 lives
    Reputation: cyclelicious's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    12,915
    Can websites censor things I say online?-admit-its-hard-argue-55-photos-33.jpg
    F*ck Cancer

    Eat your veggies

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    "do not attempt to abuse our site by making this a place for your own personal campaign against other forum members, manufacturers, or retailers nor as your own personal soapbox.***"
    This would include making attacks on MTBR itself, if you do not like what MTBR is doing, feel free to Contact the Site Administrators directly.
    While I agree that MTBR has the right to govern this site mostly how it wishes, I just wanted to point out that making an attack on MTBR itself would not necessarily constitute a personal soapbox or a campaign against other members, manufacurers or retailers.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  14. #14
    gobsmacked Moderator
    Reputation: girlonbike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    8,748

    Can websites censor things I say online?

    Who's on first?

  15. #15
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Who's on first?
    I'm rounding third, and heading for home!

  16. #16
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Who's on first?
    Things have gotten silly in a non-silly way, haven't they?

  17. #17
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    There is mass confusion here now. Like a busy 12 way intersection with no stop signs, no stop lights, no traffic guards, no traffic signs, and no directional pavement paint guidelines.

  18. #18
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    There is mass confusion here now. Like a busy 12 way intersection with no stop signs, no stop lights, no traffic guards, no traffic signs, and no directional pavement paint guidelines.
    It's all good unless you blame mtbr

  19. #19
    live long and huck
    Reputation: Optimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    5,568
    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Who's on first?
    I'll go first.
    Low and slack.

  20. #20
    Rod
    Rod is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    5,099
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    It's all good unless you blame mtbr
    I've sat by idly, watched the chaos ensue, and that appears to be case.
    There is not much choice between rotten apples.

  21. #21
    fresh fish in stock...... SuperModerator
    Reputation: CHUM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    8,631

    Can websites censor things I say online?

    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    reported as rude post
    Which one?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Click Here for Forum Rules

  22. #22
    Flappity flappity flap
    Reputation: Zowie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    2,590
    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    reported as rude post
    Reported for lack of 'rich content'.

    Really though, this no rep button thing stinks. Could you guys put a dummy button back in that says "You can't do that anymore, moran"?
    Just for the conceptual continuity across the whole forum, you know.

    I just about reported Heyyall too.

  23. #23
    banned
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    2,320
    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    source: First Amendment Lawyer - Basic First Amendment & Censorship Information

    Since there seems to be some question as to what the "Rules" are for posting on MTBR, here is the link:

    Mtbr Posting Guidelines



    Site ownership is of the opinion that threads made for the sole purpose of boosting reputation or post count qualify as spam if they appear in any forum BUT the OC. If they begin to appear in other forums they will be moved back to the OC.



    This would include making attacks on MTBR itself, if you do not like what MTBR is doing, feel free to Contact the Site Administrators directly.


    Thank you for being a productive part of MTBR and Happy Posting!
    Appears you forgot THE one guideline causing all the ruckus.

    (4.) The message contains obscene or pornographic images/photos/text/videos.

    According to Merriam Webster:
    Obscene - very offensive in usually a shocking way
    Pornographic - movies, pictures, magazines, etc., that show or describe naked people or sex in a very open and direct way in order to cause sexual excitement.

    Even under the widest interpretation could anything I've witnessed here be consider as this ^.

    Please amend the guidelines to CLEARLY state that no members, or clients may post, or utilize pictures of women in public, professional models, including "booth babes". They will not be tolerated, and removed.

    Have asked this a few times without a reply, please do so now.

    #gorideabike

  24. #24
    fresh fish in stock...... SuperModerator
    Reputation: CHUM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    8,631
    Quote Originally Posted by Flyin_W View Post
    Appears you forgot THE one guideline causing all the ruckus.

    (4.) The message contains obscene or pornographic images/photos/text/videos.

    According to Merriam Webster:
    Obscene - very offensive in usually a shocking way
    Pornographic - movies, pictures, magazines, etc., that show or describe naked people or sex in a very open and direct way in order to cause sexual excitement.

    Even under the widest interpretation could anything I've witnessed here be consider as this ^.

    Please amend the guidelines to CLEARLY state that no members, or clients may post, or utilize pictures of women in public, professional models, including "booth babes". They will not be tolerated, and removed.

    Have asked this a few times without a reply, please do so now.

    #gorideabike

    we're not changing any guidelines.

    they are clear to all except a minority few (like yourself).
    Click Here for Forum Rules

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,530
    it should not be an issue, until a moderator edits on the moderators personal belief, versus the websites beliefs.

  26. #26
    EMBA Member
    Reputation: Ladmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    1,858
    I read the forum guidelines just now. First time I've done that. Says what I thought it would say. Dang, the moderators are volunteer. You guys and gals must like walking around in real life wearing kick me t-shirts. What could possibly make you do this for free? There's gotta be something in it for you. Free stuff? Cases of IPA? Talk about a thankless task, if it is completely uncompensated. No thanks. On the other hand, you would be amazed what I would be willing to do for free beer. Just ask.

  27. #27
    Snowflake
    Reputation: Cornfield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,933
    "You want free beer? Go to the brewery"

    Strange Brew

    Oops, wrong thread
    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    You guys are useless.

  28. #28
    ****** to the dirt
    Reputation: deke505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    5,122
    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    we're not changing any guidelines.

    they are clear to all except a minority few (like yourself).
    so is beach wear pornographic or obscene that it can't be shown here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    There's some strange folk out there 'bouts. They have no sense of humor.
    My Blog

  29. #29
    No. Just No.
    Reputation: Circlip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    5,155
    Quote Originally Posted by Ladmo View Post
    I read the forum guidelines just now. First time I've done that. Says what I thought it would say. Dang, the moderators are volunteer. You guys and gals must like walking around in real life wearing kick me t-shirts. What could possibly make you do this for free? There's gotta be something in it for you. Free stuff? Cases of IPA? Talk about a thankless task, if it is completely uncompensated. No thanks. On the other hand, you would be amazed what I would be willing to do for free beer. Just ask.
    No compensation. I've read a couple of posts in the past few days about supposed hook ups to swag and other industry benefits for moderators, and kind of chuckled about that concept. You can file this in the same "No, just no" bin as moderators supposedly being able to see your posts as you type them, or that moderators have access to read everyone's PMs.
    Nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  30. #30
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SuperModerator
    Reputation: Klurejr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    6,087
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Did someone actually try to play the first amendment card?
    It was being alluded to in a number of different threads so I thought this was a good reminder, many people are confused about how the right to free speech works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    While I agree that MTBR has the right to govern this site mostly how it wishes, I just wanted to point out that making an attack on MTBR itself would not necessarily constitute a personal soapbox or a campaign against other members, manufacurers or retailers.
    Perhaps you misread my post, Site management does categorize it as such. If you have a valid complaint PM the Site admins, don't air your grievances in a public manner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ladmo View Post
    I read the forum guidelines just now. First time I've done that. Says what I thought it would say. Dang, the moderators are volunteer. You guys and gals must like walking around in real life wearing kick me t-shirts.
    Most of the time we are just cleaning up Spam Posts that happen when someone creates an account and makes one or two posts with links to some random website. Most users avoid the hate speech and other major violations.


    Ride Bikes, Drink Craft Beer, Repeat.

    Know these before you post:
    MTBR Posting Guidelines
    e-bike sub-forum rules

  31. #31
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    No compensation. I've read a couple of posts in the past few days about supposed hook ups to swag and other industry benefits for moderators, and kind of chuckled about that concept. You can file this in the same "No, just no" bin as moderators supposedly being able to see your posts as you type them, or that moderators have access to read everyone's PMs.
    I would hope some of the test products and other promotional materials MTBR gets it hands on is passed down through the food chain. I realize forum moderators are likely at the bottom of the food chain, but seriously, if you are not at least getting stickers or opportunities to have meet and greets, then it might be time to put an open hand out and say it is time.

  32. #32
    No. Just No.
    Reputation: Circlip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    5,155
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I would hope some of the test products and other promotional materials MTBR gets it hands on is passed down through the food chain. I realize forum moderators are likely at the bottom of the food chain, but seriously, if you are not at least getting stickers or opportunities to have meet and greets, then it might be time to put an open hand out and say it is time.
    This is partly an answer to your question above, and partly tied back to ladmo's post asking why anyone would want to be a moderator with all work, no benefits. There have also been a few posts hinting at moderator status being an outlet for authoritarian tendencies. I can only truly speak for myself here, but I believe I am in the majority of MTBR moderators when I say that I would prefer to have as few touches as possible (whether thread/post deletes, moves, etc.) and just sit in the background almost unseen, to help out with spammers and similar housekeeping.

    If there weren't any moderators who take the time to learn the ebb and flow of the various forums, and the personalities involved, then management/ownership would probably need to adopt a much quicker trigger finger and just slash and burn a ton of posts, threads, and users, because otherwise they wouldn't have the people power to take the time necessary to consider in more detail. In other words, I'd like to think that our volunteer time helps users post more, not less, in the grand scheme of things. That's why we do it. Commercial motivations of the site owners aside, it's clear that a lot of mountain bikers like using MTBR, and so volunteering here as a mod is a way of giving back a little to the community.
    Nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  33. #33
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    "You want free beer? Go to the brewery"

    Strange Brew

    Oops, wrong thread
    "My cop friend said..."
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Why do people care about post counts and rep? Wouldn't the fact that you had posted 10,000 messages on an internet forum be something to hide rather than advertise?
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  35. #35
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    Not if the posts are "rich in content".
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  36. #36
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Wouldn't the fact that you had posted 10,000 messages on an internet forum be something to hide rather than advertise?
    Wouldn't that be a good definition for being social (to epic proportions)? We are socializing here, right?

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Wouldn't that be a good definition for being social (to epic proportions)? We are socializing here, right?
    No, I do not think that posting thousands of times on an internet forum constitutes being social anymore than clicking through Manhattan on Google street view constitutes visiting New York.

    In either case, I don't see how the post count or rep count is important.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  38. #38
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    No, I do not think that posting thousands of times on an internet forum constitutes being social anymore than clicking through Manhattan on Google street view constitutes visiting New York.

    In either case, I don't see how the post count or rep count is important.
    However the streets don't talk back to you.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  39. #39
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    No, I do not think that posting thousands of times on an internet forum constitutes being social anymore than clicking through Manhattan on Google street view constitutes visiting New York.

    In either case, I don't see how the post count or rep count is important.
    I agree with you on the rep and post count (I really don't care about them) but I couldn't disagree with you more on participation shown through posting numbers on social websites. That's the very definition of being social. No way does it compare to clicking through an automated website like Google Maps. Posts on this website are made between living, breathing organisms. Communication between members is being social, period.

  40. #40
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post

    In either case, I don't see how the post count or rep count is important.
    They're not.
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    However the streets don't talk back to you.
    Right...I'm not comparing street view to forums.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    I agree with you on the rep and post count (I really don't care about them) but I couldn't disagree with you more on participation shown through posting numbers on social websites. That's the very definition of being social. No way does it compare to clicking through an automated website like Google Maps. Posts on this website are made between living, breathing organisms. Communication between members is being social, period.
    Well, since you did say "period" at the end, I guess that's the end of the story. I'm not comparing forums to street view. I'm drawing an analogy between the authenticity of visiting New York compared to doing street view and the authenticity of actual human interaction and online posts. Posting on an internet forum is not the definition of being social.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  43. #43
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    However the streets don't talk back to you.
    Not yet.

    Give technology a couple more decades, though. I can see "talking signs" that the people in the ads can see you as you walk by, maybe recognize you and pitch stuff you might be interested in.

    Think how the ads here work, we talk about girls in bikinis (being all social and stuff) and boom, bikini girls start showing up in the ads. Give that tech a few more decades to develop.
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  44. #44
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Right...I'm not comparing street view to forums.
    You seemed to be saying that posting on internet forums has as much social value as clicking on street view. I would disagree with that for the reasons given above.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  45. #45
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    So you don't think we interact as humans at a social level here?

    Hey Hawg, who's my favorite singer?
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    You seemed to be saying that posting on internet forums has as much social value as clicking on street view. I would disagree with that for the reasons given above.
    No, I didn't seem to be saying that. I said that posting on internet forums is as much real social interaction as clicking on street view is a real visit to New York.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  47. #47
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Not yet.

    Give technology a couple more decades, though. I can see "talking signs" that the people in the ads can see you as you walk by, maybe recognize you and pitch stuff you might be interested in.

    Think how the ads here work, we talk about girls in bikinis (being all social and stuff) and boom, bikini girls start showing up in the ads. Give that tech a few more decades to develop.
    I bet there's something like that already in place in super wired places like S Korea. With cell phones, etc. I'm sure that's part of what Google was thinking long term with Google Glass.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  48. #48
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    Damn, all this time I thought you guys were humans.

    What the hell are you?

    And who were those people I rode with in the desert last October???
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  49. #49
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    No, I didn't seem to be saying that. I said that posting on internet forums is as much real social interaction as clicking on street view is a real visit to New York.
    OK, still the same argument and I disagree. Posting on an internet forum is still a real social interaction, one that is more real than "visiting NY" via street view.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  50. #50
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Damn, all this time I thought you guys were humans.

    What the hell are you?

    And who were those people I rode with in the desert last October???
    Holograms dogg.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  51. #51
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    They were very convincing, I gotta say. Impressive.
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  52. #52
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Damn, all this time I thought you guys were humans.

    What the hell are you?

    And who were those people I rode with in the desert last October???
    No one has questioned whether members of this forum are humans. But you haven't physically interacted with the members. You've physically interacted with a screen and keyboard.

    And who said riding with people wasn't socializing?

    This may help: Straw man - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  53. #53
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Well, since you did say "period" at the end, I guess that's the end of the story. I'm not comparing forums to street view. I'm drawing an analogy between the authenticity of visiting New York compared to doing street view and the authenticity of actual human interaction and online posts. Posting on an internet forum is not the definition of being social.
    What if I told you that I had an accident early in life which forced me to have my vocals chords removed, therefore rendering me completely unable to talk or converse vocally with my fellow man.

    I could however communicate via text through social websites.

    Would you label me as being unsocial?

  54. #54
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    No one has questioned whether members of this forum are humans. But you haven't physically interacted with the members. You've physically interacted with a screen and keyboard.

    And who said riding with people wasn't socializing?

    I never would have known to meet up and ride with those people, if it were not for socializing with them first, via this forum.

    This isn't that hard to grasp.
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  55. #55
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    What if I told you that I had an accident early in life which forced me to have my vocals chords removed, therefore rendering me completely unable to talk or converse vocally with my fellow man.

    I could however communicate via text through social websites.

    Would you label me as being unsocial?
    I would say that you were being as social as possible, but it still lacked some importance aspects of human interaction, such as physical presence and non-verbal communication. I'm not saying that forums are in no way social, only that they are diminished social interaction that is far from "the definition of being social."
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  56. #56
    Rabid Lana fan
    Reputation: net wurker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,764
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    What if I told you that I had an accident early in life which forced me to have my vocals chords removed, therefore rendering me completely unable to talk or converse vocally with my fellow man.

    I could however communicate via text through social websites.

    Would you label me as being unsocial?
    That was a profound thought your keyboard just had, Mike!
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt I here
    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

  57. #57
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    No one has questioned whether members of this forum are humans. But you haven't physically interacted with the members. You've physically interacted with a screen and keyboard.
    Your assumption about me is incorrect. I have met in person and ridden with no less than one dozen members from this website. I am social, indeed. Heck, some of them live more than half way across the country from me. In fact, I would consider myself "outwardly" social here.

    The responses on the screen are being controlled by a living, breathing person.

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    I never would have known to meet up and ride with those people, if it were not for socializing with them first, via this forum.

    This isn't that hard to grasp.
    There is a difference between this forum explaining how it is that you came to have a rich social interaction and this forum actually being a rich social interaction. As for "grasping," I fully understand what you are saying. I just disagree. There is no problem of understanding.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  59. #59
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Your assumption about me is incorrect. I have met in person and ridden with no less than one dozen members from this website. I am social, indeed. Heck, some of them live more than half way across the country from me. In fact, I would consider myself "outwardly" social here.

    The responses on the screen are being controlled by a living, breathing person.
    I didn't mean you have never physically interacted with them. I meant that when you post and read messages, you aren't physically interacting with them.

    I also didn't say anything about whether you are a social person or not.

    I also didn't say that the responses on the screen came from anything other than humans.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  60. #60
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    4,211
    Hey, we're just socks here anyways. In real life, we share meals at the nursing home. The hallways are super long too. It's an epic journey to the cafeteria.

  61. #61
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    I'm an introvert. Interacting via a keyboard is empowering. Otherwise, I would just be in the corner crying and looking at my dirty shoes.

  62. #62
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  63. #63
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I'm an introvert. Interacting via a keyboard is empowering. Otherwise, I would just be in the corner crying and looking at my dirty shoes.
    I didn't say interacting via a keyboard is a bad thing. I said it isn't the same as real life interaction. The fact that real life interaction is so different for you than online interaction proves my point.
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  64. #64
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    This is an epic conversation.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  65. #65
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Hey, we're just socks here anyways. In real life, we share meals at the nursing home. The hallways are super long too. It's an epic journey to the cafeteria.
    But the food sucks

  66. #66
    Snowflake
    Reputation: Cornfield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,933
    Social Network

    1. A network of friends, colleagues, and other personal contacts:
    Strong social networks can encourage healthy behaviors.

    2. Computers.

    An online community of people with a common interest who use a website or other technologies to communicate with each other and share information, resources, etc.:

    A business-oriented social network.

    A website or online service that facilitates this communication.
    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    You guys are useless.

  67. #67
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    This is an epic conversation.
    Filled with epic content

  68. #68
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Interesting. I suppose that is why many of us have gone a bit out of our way to meet each other. There is something real about the real world after all. Is this where we cue the 90's music to MTV's Real World?

  69. #69
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    I can't leave you morons alone for a minute.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  70. #70
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    4,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    But the food sucks
    Yeah, the salisbury steak is always an epic fail.

  71. #71
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Interesting. I suppose that is why many of us have gone a bit out of our way to meet each other. There is something real about the real world after all. Is this where we cue the 90's music to MTV's Real World?
    Speaking of which is rOCtoberfest going to be relocated to MN this fall?

  72. #72
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    There is a difference between this forum explaining how it is that you came to have a rich social interaction and this forum actually being a rich social interaction. As for "grasping," I fully understand what you are saying. I just disagree. There is no problem of understanding.
    This is awfully social of you...

  73. #73
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    I didn't say interacting via a keyboard is a bad thing. I said it isn't the same as real life interaction. The fact that real life interaction is so different for you than online interaction proves my point.
    I think I forgot a smilie or two. Must be a failure to communicate online.

  74. #74
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I can't leave you morons alone for a minute.
    I didn't know Gordy was here.

  75. #75
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Yeah, the salisbury steak is always an epic fail.
    The rich content of the gravy always gives me gas.

  76. #76
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I can't leave you morons alone for a minute.
    A few pages back I was suggesting mods should get a little swag as thank you gifts and now we are debating an electronic world. Does anybody know if I'm supposed to take the red or blue pill to cure this headache?

  77. #77
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    I didn't mean you have never physically interacted with them. I meant that when you post and read messages, you aren't physically interacting with them.

    I also didn't say anything about whether you are a social person or not.

    I also didn't say that the responses on the screen came from anything other than humans.
    Well, you just stepped on your own foot here, now what?

  78. #78
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    Speaking of which is rOCtoberfest going to be relocated to MN this fall?
    I'm a great host! I'll make some pork rinds and we can get local craft beer. We can all sit around a campfire and text each other.

  79. #79
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    Filled with epic content
    And it's rich to boot. At least some of it is.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  80. #80
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    4,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    The rich content of the gravy always gives me gas.
    At least you can still have a bowel movement. Now that they've started rationing the prune juice in the cafeteria, it's been nothing but trouble.

  81. #81
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Yeah, the salisbury steak is always an epic fail.
    The Jello ain't bad. Especially when its served by the head nurse.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  82. #82
    El Gato Malo
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,373
    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    The Jello ain't bad. Especially when its served ON the head nurse.
    fify Mook.

  83. #83
    STEEL IS REAL
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    24,877
    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Damn, all this time I thought you guys were humans.

    What the hell are you?

    And who were those people I rode with in the desert last October???
    I am Chappie!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Can websites censor things I say online?-chappie.jpg  


  84. #84
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    fify Mook.
    Belly shots!
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  85. #85
    I didn't do it
    Reputation: Mookie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    9,461
    I, robot.
    Let's eat Ted
    Let's eat, Ted
    Remember, commas save lives

  86. #86
    banned
    Reputation: random walk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,666
    JHC on a Popsicle stick. This thread needs an acid enema all the way back to post 35.

  87. #87
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    A few pages back I was suggesting mods should get a little swag as thank you gifts and now we are debating an electronic world. Does anybody know if I'm supposed to take the red or blue pill to cure this headache?
    Umm try the blue one and report back to us in an hour.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  88. #88
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    4,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    The Jello ain't bad. Especially when its served by the head nurse.
    Nurse Ratched is hot.

  89. #89
    mtbr member
    Reputation: A Little Bird's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    29
    I love lamp

  90. #90
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    ^ well, hello little bird.

  91. #91
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    ^ well, hello little bird.
    I bet that little bird is from AZ.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  92. #92
    mtbr member
    Reputation: A Little Bird's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    29
    Incorrect sir, I currently live in North Texas.

  93. #93
    banned
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    2,416
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishful Tomcat View Post
    I didn't know Gordy was here.
    You rang?

  94. #94
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Wittgenstein's Ghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    313
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Well, you just stepped on your own foot here, now what?
    How did I step on my own foot?
    "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth." - Newton

  95. #95
    Ride More, Work Less
    Reputation: heyyall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,774
    Quote Originally Posted by A Little Bird View Post
    Incorrect sir, I currently live in North Texas.
    Is your avatar a mocking bird by chance?

  96. #96
    mtbr member
    Reputation: A Little Bird's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    29
    I see what you did there.

  97. #97
    ****** to the dirt
    Reputation: deke505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    5,122
    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    How did I step on my own foot?
    you have two left feet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    There's some strange folk out there 'bouts. They have no sense of humor.
    My Blog

  98. #98
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    Quote Originally Posted by A Little Bird View Post
    Incorrect sir, I currently live in North Texas.
    Moving around I see.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

  99. #99
    mtbr member
    Reputation: A Little Bird's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    29
    You know.. migrating south for winter.

    What kind of car is that in your avatar image? Looks like a Pontiac... '67- '68 Firebird?

  100. #100
    Self Appointed Judge&Jury
    Reputation: DIRTJUNKIE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Posts
    32,033
    Quote Originally Posted by A Little Bird View Post
    You know.. migrating south for winter.

    What kind of car is that in your avatar image? Looks like a Pontiac... '67- '68 Firebird?
    Close but...
    If it were a Firebird of that era the years would be from 67' - 69'.

    It's a Pontiac 1969' GTO Ram Air IV.
    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Things Fitting Perfectly Into Other Things...
    By CHUM in forum Off Camber (off topic)
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 03-23-2014, 05:54 PM
  2. What other MTB websites?
    By docter_zab in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-10-2013, 01:12 PM
  3. websites
    By Justin Credible in forum Apparel and Protection
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-01-2011, 08:18 AM
  4. Websites
    By hitek in forum Endurance XC Racing
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-01-2011, 08:15 PM

Members who have read this thread: 0

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

mtbr.com and the ConsumerReview Network are business units of Invenda Corporation

(C) Copyright 1996-2018. All Rights Reserved.