• 01-15-2013
    Furball the Mystery Cat
    Almost 20% of American children live with someone who smokes inside their home.
    Most of the people I hang out with are bicyclists, hikers, and people who like exercise. Hardly any of the people I know smoke cigarettes. Even the ones who are smokers, don't smoke around me.

    Recently I was surprised to discover there are still a lot of children who have to live with second hand tobacco smoke.

    Here's the exact statistic:

    Quote:

    While only 5.4% of adult nonsmokers in the United States lived with someone who smoked inside their home, 18.2% of children (aged 311 years) lived with someone who smoked inside their home in 20072008.
    More here: CDC - Fact Sheet - Secondhand Smoke Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use
  • 01-15-2013
    rockerc
    Not good, but even worse is that a much greater percentage live in homes where the care giver feeds them crap food...
  • 01-15-2013
    Rod
    As Tone would say 10% of the people are complete idiots and you have another 10% who realize what they are doing is slowly killing themselves, but are so apathetic, they don't care, and refuse to reverse the process. These are my unscientific facts.

    I'm not going to get started on food because everyone will be trying to knock me off my soapbox.
  • 01-15-2013
    Hawg
    Clearly the popularity of smoking is sinking into the horizon. In the 70's, you weren't cool unless you smoked. In the 80's, things like AIDS woke up the world and smoking was looked down upon. Govts raised cigarette taxes again and again. Cities created no smoking outdoors laws. It's getting harder and harder to be a smoker and that's good for all of us. :thumbsup:
  • 01-15-2013
    Tone's
    has this report taken into account the percentage of 'smokin hot mums' that live under the same roofs....
    I wonder what that percentage is? 5%-10% id say.....

    On a serious note, people or parents that smoke in a house with children or non smokers living in it are bloody selfish idiots.

    just remember trendsetters 10% of people are total idiots, sometimes higher, but never lower.....
  • 01-15-2013
    wbmason55
    A few days ago I was fueling up at a gas station and I look over to see a guy in his car with the windows rolled up, smoking a cig with a child in a rear facing car seat in the backseat. The woman passenger was fueling the car. Once he finished, he rolled down the window just enough to flick the still-lit butt out the window in the direction of the gas pumps. WTF is wrong with people? :madman:
  • 01-15-2013
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    A few days ago I was fueling up at a gas station and I look over to see a guy in his car with the windows rolled up, smoking a cig with a child in a rear facing car seat in the backseat. The woman passenger was fueling the car. Once he finished, he rolled down the window just enough to flick the still-lit butt out the window in the direction of the gas pumps. WTF is wrong with people? :madman:

    LOL, He is in that 10% im talking about :skep::rolleyes:
  • 01-15-2013
    Hawg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    A few days ago I was fueling up at a gas station and I look over to see a guy in his car with the windows rolled up, smoking a cig with a child in a rear facing car seat in the backseat. The woman passenger was fueling the car. Once he finished, he rolled down the window just enough to flick the still-lit butt out the window in the direction of the gas pumps. WTF is wrong with people? :madman:

    I would have definately said something to his wife about that. :mad:
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    i grew up in one of those homes unfortunatly. well, i think my dad MOSTLY smoke outside, but occasionally not. the car bothered me the worst. i would stick my face in the crack of the door and try to breathe real air. Yes its a terrible addiction, but its also your responsibility to keep it away from others.
  • 01-15-2013
    NateHawk
    I grew up in one of those homes and got cancer for it. Same with being in the car with the windows up. When I was old enough to assert myself I'd tell my father to roll down the windows but that wasn't until I had to deal with it for at least 10 years.

    I am not bitter at all
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    My dad has apparently always smoked a pipe. I say apparently because I was unaware until I was 25. He never did it around us and always told us if he caught us smoking, we'd smoke the whole pack right in front of him. I never have, but I've always been around it with coworkers and such. I learned early on to buy a pack and if I wanted a break, go outside and light a cig, people will leave you be.
  • 01-15-2013
    heyyall
    I recall when smoking bans were being implemented in parts of SC. Some restaurants and bars owners cried that try were going to go out of business. Business flourished for most of them since they picked up the non smokers. It turned out to be one of the greatest business moves.

    I can't imagine a world with smoking on a plane or even in a restaurant anymore. I wish we had a world with none in cars or homes. I don't like visiting my parents on account of their smoking in the home.
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    If someone owns their house, I figure it's their business what goes on in it. I don't want people telling me what I can or cannot do in my own home. As for cars, I think they need to keep their windows up so I don't have to breathe it.
  • 01-15-2013
    chollaball
    my dad smoked when i was growing up, before anyone much thought about second-hand smoke. I think he usually did it by a window, fan etc cause I dont recall the house being dingy or getting sick. I remember working on college apps with his help, and being in a closed room at a desk together for a few hours made me sick. I told him, not trying to be a wise-@$$ or anything, and i think it had an effect on him. He eventually quit.

    Anyway, the experience made me feel pretty strongly about being caught in a smoky environment since I knew as a young adult exactly what it would do to me.
  • 01-15-2013
    NateHawk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    If someone owns their house, I figure it's their business what goes on in it. I don't want people telling me what I can or cannot do in my own home. As for cars, I think they need to keep their windows up so I don't have to breathe it.

    if it's only themselves it affects, I could care less. and I agree in general about keeping their windows up so I don't have to breathe that crap in my own car as it gets pulled in through the ventilation system. thankfully, my car has an easy switch to cut off the outside air in that event. not all cars do.

    however, when there are children involved, it should be child abuse.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chollaball
    Anyway, the experience made me feel pretty strongly about being caught in a smoky environment since I knew as a young adult exactly what it would do to me.

    I feel strongly about it, too. I once went to a nightclub as a young adult where the smoke was so insanely thick with smoke that I felt like I was chewing the air (first night club visit, forgive me for being a little naive). I immediately returned to the entrance and demanded my cover charge back. a couple of the bouncers were scary close to physically throwing me out, but I got my money back and made my point. I went home and took a shower.

    just this past holiday season, when visiting the inlaws in MI, my FIL wanted to take us to his favorite casino. I started asking about the smoking ban in MI, and whether it applied to casinos. when I learned it did not, I frankly told him that I would not go. "but there's a nonsmoking section," he said. other family members told me that the nonsmoking section still smells like smoke, which pretty much follows my experience with nonsmoking sections at restaurants. my wife went, because she thinks I hurt his feelings. I have been damaged enough by cigarette smoke that I don't have to be careful about other people's feelings when it comes to smoking. if there is smoking indoors, I won't be there. I don't even let people smoke outside at my house. if they want to smoke, they can stand in the street by the mailbox.
  • 01-15-2013
    random walk
    My dad smoked like a chimney when he joined the Navy out of HS, and stopped 10 years later when he and my mom started having kids. He turns 80 this year.
  • 01-15-2013
    Bikemaya
    I grew up in a gambling town. You couldn't go anywhere without walking into a fog of smoke. My parent's restaurant was no exception, always filled with smoke. My dad smoked, but never, ever indoors. He smoked in the car too, but always with the window down and blew out. He is a stickler for cleanliness, so he didn't want to mess up his house or car :) He was also respectful, so he never smoked indoors around us even in casinos or at work.

    I don't smoke, but every once in a while I get a craving. I actually am comforted by second hand smoke when I have cravings. I definitely got addicted long ago to it. My hometown banned smoking indoors about 10 years ago, so everything is clean now. The old timers are pissed about it, the new young families that came along and changed the town for themselves are happy about it. I go back and forth. I think they should have allowed it in casinos and bars still. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to go there! No one is forcing people to go into smoky places, so make a choice to not give them your business if you don't like it! But it is good they got it out of restaurants at least.
  • 01-15-2013
    NateHawk
    if bars permitted smoking, I'd never go there in spite of the social detriment. but since where I live now bans smoking in all businesses (even casinos) statewide, everywhere is fair game and I like that. I like walking into a bar and feeling like I can breathe, enjoy a drink, some conversation, and a game, and go home not feeling like I have to shower.
  • 01-15-2013
    Millfox
    A bit of a careless behaviour, but I don't think it's the number one problem when it comes to child raising.

    BTW I'm not a smoker and I'm not planning on smoking until I'm at least in my mid 50's.
  • 01-15-2013
    Bethany1
    What makes it hard for me as a parent is sending my kid over to someone's house whose parents smoke so much you can smell it from the front door. I tried to have the kid over here, but he reeked so badly of smoke I wanted to choke every time he walked by.

    For me it's a form of child abuse. If you want to smoke, that's your choice. I get that. But your kids don't deserve to live in a house full of smoke, go to school where the kids don't want to sit next to you and you can't bring friends over.

    If you smoke, do it outside so the rest of your family can breathe.
  • 01-15-2013
    cyclelicious
    I never smoked and neither did anyone in my family but I've had a life long exposure to second hand smoke

    I work in health care and up til just a couple of years ago smoking was still common in the hospital workplace, (specially designated "smoking rooms" accomodated staff and patients) its only been a few years since smoking was banned from planes, movie theatres, sports arenas,restaurants and taverns. I remember going to watch my brother play hockey fans would smoke in the stands, sometimes coaches would sneak a smoke on the bench. I remember in high school there was a desinated smoking area for students!

    I believe my cancer was caused by genetics and the environment including second hand smoke. It's the only thing that makes sense to me why I developed breast cancer. because I have led an extremely healthy lifestyle (lifelong vegetarian/vegan, being athletic, no chronic illness etc etc).

    The body of scientific evidence of dangers of second-hand smoke is overwhelming: second-hand smoke causes heart disease, lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), asthma and middle ear infections in children and various other respiratory illnesses. Second-hand smoke exposure is also causally associated with stroke, low birthweight, spontaneous abortion, negative effects on the development of cognition and behaviour, exacerbation of cystic fibrosis and cervical cancer.

    So when I see or hear about children being exposesd to second hand smoke, it troubles me because those kids could one day develop some debilitating illness that could have been avoided or prevented
  • 01-15-2013
    NateHawk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    The body of scientific evidence of dangers of second-hand smoke is overwhelming: second-hand smoke causes heart disease, lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), asthma and middle ear infections in children and various other respiratory illnesses. Second-hand smoke exposure is also causally associated with stroke, low birthweight, spontaneous abortion, negative effects on the development of cognition and behaviour, exacerbation of cystic fibrosis and cervical cancer.

    don't forget leukemia. the biggest cause of AML is exposure to benzene, which most certainly is present in tobacco (and marijuana) smoke. probably all smoke, for that matter. plenty of research out there showing the concentrations of benzene that build up in a house inhabited by smokers.
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    and dont forget "smoker's face". seems to hit women harder than men. Kids shouldnt be subjected to seeing that ;)

    seriously though, seems that smoking runs in families. many kids pick it up from their parents. Both my brother's smoke/smoked. when my dad died of lung cancer (in his 40s!!!!) my older bro quit, but the youngest picked it up a few years later. never made sense to me, seeing somebody die in your home, in such a drawn out awful way. it has made me a life-long hypochondriac, and messed me up in ways i probably dont even know yet. it affected my anxiety and fear of cancer pretty bad. somehow my brothers just didnt feel the same.
  • 01-15-2013
    heyyall
    While there is trouble with "nutritional epidemiology" research (eggs, butter, salt, .... being good or bad), the science of smoking and ill effects are very well established. For those that love conspiracy theories, the science of big tobacco is fascinating too.

    In somewhat unrelated news, I saw in the news yesterday that Coca-Cola has finally decided to address the issue that chugging 20 ounce cokes may actually be contributing to obesity.
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    ^ cant tell if that's a joke? (the bible part).

    I'm in the same boat. You row from your side, I'll row from mine. Avoid the rocks...