• 01-15-2013
    Furball the Mystery Cat
    Almost 20% of American children live with someone who smokes inside their home.
    Most of the people I hang out with are bicyclists, hikers, and people who like exercise. Hardly any of the people I know smoke cigarettes. Even the ones who are smokers, don't smoke around me.

    Recently I was surprised to discover there are still a lot of children who have to live with second hand tobacco smoke.

    Here's the exact statistic:

    Quote:

    While only 5.4% of adult nonsmokers in the United States lived with someone who smoked inside their home, 18.2% of children (aged 311 years) lived with someone who smoked inside their home in 20072008.
    More here: CDC - Fact Sheet - Secondhand Smoke Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use
  • 01-15-2013
    rockerc
    Not good, but even worse is that a much greater percentage live in homes where the care giver feeds them crap food...
  • 01-15-2013
    Rod
    As Tone would say 10% of the people are complete idiots and you have another 10% who realize what they are doing is slowly killing themselves, but are so apathetic, they don't care, and refuse to reverse the process. These are my unscientific facts.

    I'm not going to get started on food because everyone will be trying to knock me off my soapbox.
  • 01-15-2013
    Hawg
    Clearly the popularity of smoking is sinking into the horizon. In the 70's, you weren't cool unless you smoked. In the 80's, things like AIDS woke up the world and smoking was looked down upon. Govts raised cigarette taxes again and again. Cities created no smoking outdoors laws. It's getting harder and harder to be a smoker and that's good for all of us. :thumbsup:
  • 01-15-2013
    Tone's
    has this report taken into account the percentage of 'smokin hot mums' that live under the same roofs....
    I wonder what that percentage is? 5%-10% id say.....

    On a serious note, people or parents that smoke in a house with children or non smokers living in it are bloody selfish idiots.

    just remember trendsetters 10% of people are total idiots, sometimes higher, but never lower.....
  • 01-15-2013
    wbmason55
    A few days ago I was fueling up at a gas station and I look over to see a guy in his car with the windows rolled up, smoking a cig with a child in a rear facing car seat in the backseat. The woman passenger was fueling the car. Once he finished, he rolled down the window just enough to flick the still-lit butt out the window in the direction of the gas pumps. WTF is wrong with people? :madman:
  • 01-15-2013
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    A few days ago I was fueling up at a gas station and I look over to see a guy in his car with the windows rolled up, smoking a cig with a child in a rear facing car seat in the backseat. The woman passenger was fueling the car. Once he finished, he rolled down the window just enough to flick the still-lit butt out the window in the direction of the gas pumps. WTF is wrong with people? :madman:

    LOL, He is in that 10% im talking about :skep::rolleyes:
  • 01-15-2013
    Hawg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    A few days ago I was fueling up at a gas station and I look over to see a guy in his car with the windows rolled up, smoking a cig with a child in a rear facing car seat in the backseat. The woman passenger was fueling the car. Once he finished, he rolled down the window just enough to flick the still-lit butt out the window in the direction of the gas pumps. WTF is wrong with people? :madman:

    I would have definately said something to his wife about that. :mad:
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    i grew up in one of those homes unfortunatly. well, i think my dad MOSTLY smoke outside, but occasionally not. the car bothered me the worst. i would stick my face in the crack of the door and try to breathe real air. Yes its a terrible addiction, but its also your responsibility to keep it away from others.
  • 01-15-2013
    Harold
    I grew up in one of those homes and got cancer for it. Same with being in the car with the windows up. When I was old enough to assert myself I'd tell my father to roll down the windows but that wasn't until I had to deal with it for at least 10 years.

    I am not bitter at all
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    My dad has apparently always smoked a pipe. I say apparently because I was unaware until I was 25. He never did it around us and always told us if he caught us smoking, we'd smoke the whole pack right in front of him. I never have, but I've always been around it with coworkers and such. I learned early on to buy a pack and if I wanted a break, go outside and light a cig, people will leave you be.
  • 01-15-2013
    heyyall
    I recall when smoking bans were being implemented in parts of SC. Some restaurants and bars owners cried that try were going to go out of business. Business flourished for most of them since they picked up the non smokers. It turned out to be one of the greatest business moves.

    I can't imagine a world with smoking on a plane or even in a restaurant anymore. I wish we had a world with none in cars or homes. I don't like visiting my parents on account of their smoking in the home.
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    If someone owns their house, I figure it's their business what goes on in it. I don't want people telling me what I can or cannot do in my own home. As for cars, I think they need to keep their windows up so I don't have to breathe it.
  • 01-15-2013
    chollaball
    my dad smoked when i was growing up, before anyone much thought about second-hand smoke. I think he usually did it by a window, fan etc cause I dont recall the house being dingy or getting sick. I remember working on college apps with his help, and being in a closed room at a desk together for a few hours made me sick. I told him, not trying to be a wise-@$$ or anything, and i think it had an effect on him. He eventually quit.

    Anyway, the experience made me feel pretty strongly about being caught in a smoky environment since I knew as a young adult exactly what it would do to me.
  • 01-15-2013
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    If someone owns their house, I figure it's their business what goes on in it. I don't want people telling me what I can or cannot do in my own home. As for cars, I think they need to keep their windows up so I don't have to breathe it.

    if it's only themselves it affects, I could care less. and I agree in general about keeping their windows up so I don't have to breathe that crap in my own car as it gets pulled in through the ventilation system. thankfully, my car has an easy switch to cut off the outside air in that event. not all cars do.

    however, when there are children involved, it should be child abuse.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chollaball
    Anyway, the experience made me feel pretty strongly about being caught in a smoky environment since I knew as a young adult exactly what it would do to me.

    I feel strongly about it, too. I once went to a nightclub as a young adult where the smoke was so insanely thick with smoke that I felt like I was chewing the air (first night club visit, forgive me for being a little naive). I immediately returned to the entrance and demanded my cover charge back. a couple of the bouncers were scary close to physically throwing me out, but I got my money back and made my point. I went home and took a shower.

    just this past holiday season, when visiting the inlaws in MI, my FIL wanted to take us to his favorite casino. I started asking about the smoking ban in MI, and whether it applied to casinos. when I learned it did not, I frankly told him that I would not go. "but there's a nonsmoking section," he said. other family members told me that the nonsmoking section still smells like smoke, which pretty much follows my experience with nonsmoking sections at restaurants. my wife went, because she thinks I hurt his feelings. I have been damaged enough by cigarette smoke that I don't have to be careful about other people's feelings when it comes to smoking. if there is smoking indoors, I won't be there. I don't even let people smoke outside at my house. if they want to smoke, they can stand in the street by the mailbox.
  • 01-15-2013
    random walk
    My dad smoked like a chimney when he joined the Navy out of HS, and stopped 10 years later when he and my mom started having kids. He turns 80 this year.
  • 01-15-2013
    Bikemaya
    I grew up in a gambling town. You couldn't go anywhere without walking into a fog of smoke. My parent's restaurant was no exception, always filled with smoke. My dad smoked, but never, ever indoors. He smoked in the car too, but always with the window down and blew out. He is a stickler for cleanliness, so he didn't want to mess up his house or car :) He was also respectful, so he never smoked indoors around us even in casinos or at work.

    I don't smoke, but every once in a while I get a craving. I actually am comforted by second hand smoke when I have cravings. I definitely got addicted long ago to it. My hometown banned smoking indoors about 10 years ago, so everything is clean now. The old timers are pissed about it, the new young families that came along and changed the town for themselves are happy about it. I go back and forth. I think they should have allowed it in casinos and bars still. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to go there! No one is forcing people to go into smoky places, so make a choice to not give them your business if you don't like it! But it is good they got it out of restaurants at least.
  • 01-15-2013
    Harold
    if bars permitted smoking, I'd never go there in spite of the social detriment. but since where I live now bans smoking in all businesses (even casinos) statewide, everywhere is fair game and I like that. I like walking into a bar and feeling like I can breathe, enjoy a drink, some conversation, and a game, and go home not feeling like I have to shower.
  • 01-15-2013
    Millfox
    A bit of a careless behaviour, but I don't think it's the number one problem when it comes to child raising.

    BTW I'm not a smoker and I'm not planning on smoking until I'm at least in my mid 50's.
  • 01-15-2013
    Bethany1
    What makes it hard for me as a parent is sending my kid over to someone's house whose parents smoke so much you can smell it from the front door. I tried to have the kid over here, but he reeked so badly of smoke I wanted to choke every time he walked by.

    For me it's a form of child abuse. If you want to smoke, that's your choice. I get that. But your kids don't deserve to live in a house full of smoke, go to school where the kids don't want to sit next to you and you can't bring friends over.

    If you smoke, do it outside so the rest of your family can breathe.
  • 01-15-2013
    cyclelicious
    I never smoked and neither did anyone in my family but I've had a life long exposure to second hand smoke

    I work in health care and up til just a couple of years ago smoking was still common in the hospital workplace, (specially designated "smoking rooms" accomodated staff and patients) its only been a few years since smoking was banned from planes, movie theatres, sports arenas,restaurants and taverns. I remember going to watch my brother play hockey fans would smoke in the stands, sometimes coaches would sneak a smoke on the bench. I remember in high school there was a desinated smoking area for students!

    I believe my cancer was caused by genetics and the environment including second hand smoke. It's the only thing that makes sense to me why I developed breast cancer. because I have led an extremely healthy lifestyle (lifelong vegetarian/vegan, being athletic, no chronic illness etc etc).

    The body of scientific evidence of dangers of second-hand smoke is overwhelming: second-hand smoke causes heart disease, lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), asthma and middle ear infections in children and various other respiratory illnesses. Second-hand smoke exposure is also causally associated with stroke, low birthweight, spontaneous abortion, negative effects on the development of cognition and behaviour, exacerbation of cystic fibrosis and cervical cancer.

    So when I see or hear about children being exposesd to second hand smoke, it troubles me because those kids could one day develop some debilitating illness that could have been avoided or prevented
  • 01-15-2013
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    The body of scientific evidence of dangers of second-hand smoke is overwhelming: second-hand smoke causes heart disease, lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), asthma and middle ear infections in children and various other respiratory illnesses. Second-hand smoke exposure is also causally associated with stroke, low birthweight, spontaneous abortion, negative effects on the development of cognition and behaviour, exacerbation of cystic fibrosis and cervical cancer.

    don't forget leukemia. the biggest cause of AML is exposure to benzene, which most certainly is present in tobacco (and marijuana) smoke. probably all smoke, for that matter. plenty of research out there showing the concentrations of benzene that build up in a house inhabited by smokers.
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    and dont forget "smoker's face". seems to hit women harder than men. Kids shouldnt be subjected to seeing that ;)

    seriously though, seems that smoking runs in families. many kids pick it up from their parents. Both my brother's smoke/smoked. when my dad died of lung cancer (in his 40s!!!!) my older bro quit, but the youngest picked it up a few years later. never made sense to me, seeing somebody die in your home, in such a drawn out awful way. it has made me a life-long hypochondriac, and messed me up in ways i probably dont even know yet. it affected my anxiety and fear of cancer pretty bad. somehow my brothers just didnt feel the same.
  • 01-15-2013
    heyyall
    While there is trouble with "nutritional epidemiology" research (eggs, butter, salt, .... being good or bad), the science of smoking and ill effects are very well established. For those that love conspiracy theories, the science of big tobacco is fascinating too.

    In somewhat unrelated news, I saw in the news yesterday that Coca-Cola has finally decided to address the issue that chugging 20 ounce cokes may actually be contributing to obesity.
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    ^ cant tell if that's a joke? (the bible part).

    I'm in the same boat. You row from your side, I'll row from mine. Avoid the rocks...
  • 01-15-2013
    Leopold Porkstacker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Furball the Mystery Cat View Post
    Almost 20% of American children live with someone who smokes inside their home.

    Scary!!! Not my household! :nono:
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    I'm not for smoking, don't get me wrong, but I really have doubts that smoking is the only cause of lung cancer. I've breathed in a lot of stuff that I'm sure was much worse. I've been around people welding galvanized materials, which didn't kill me but made me wish I could die (made me really nauseous). I've been around more 2-cycle motors than I can count. Worked with massive boilers that put off all kinds of "toxins" and all sorts of other things. Do I think that cigarettes are my biggest issue? There are so many other things that can cause cancer of all sorts. I've read quite a few things that say the biggest determination of your ability to get cancer is genetics. I've also seen articles that say if a man plays with himself often enough, he won't be as likely to get prostate/testicular cancer. I think it's probably a combination of factors, not just one thing.
  • 01-15-2013
    wbmason55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    I really have doubts that smoking is the only cause of lung cancer.

    Truth. Radon is highly overlooked, even though it's second leading cause of lung cancer in US
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    certainly there are occupations that raise lung cancer risk alongside ciggs. i think the statistics are something like 80-90% related to smoking. I think its the sheer number of ciggs the average smoker smokes in a day. its nearly continuous, whereas, many occupations involve short bursts of pollutants.

    people just talk about lung cancer though. they forget heart disease, stroke, pancreatic cancer (might as well lump nearly all cancers in there) COPD, etc. etc etc.
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    though i'd argue the OTHER bike forums are not for political/religous banter either!
  • 01-15-2013
    Mazukea
    Thank god I didn't grow up in a smoking family. However my best friend's dad was a smoker and that kinda sucked. Whenever I would go over he would be smoking in the house. If I had to ride in his car he would be smoking with the windows up. My friend would always tell him something but he would just say "this is my house" or "this is my car".

    I'm happy to report that his father no longer smokes now. He gave it up a few years ago. My best friend, however, started smoking during his short stint in the military. I guess it was the easiest way to release some stress. I hope he quits one day.
  • 01-15-2013
    CHUM
    thread is back on track.

    sorry for the 'deletes' but I am low on tolerance for thread crapping currently....

    ;)
  • 01-15-2013
    heyyall
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    certainly there are occupations that raise lung cancer risk alongside ciggs. i think the statistics are something like 80-90% related to smoking. I think its the sheer number of ciggs the average smoker smokes in a day. its nearly continuous, whereas, many occupations involve short bursts of pollutants.

    people just talk about lung cancer though. they forget heart disease, stroke, pancreatic cancer (might as well lump nearly all cancers in there) COPD, etc. etc etc.

    Nicole, your listing didn't go far enough.

    CDC - Fact Sheet - Health Effects of Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use

    You don't even want to see the figures for a diabetic smoker.
  • 01-15-2013
    Shytie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    thread is back on track.

    sorry for the 'deletes' but I am low on tolerance for thread crapping currently....

    ;)

    Ha! I know now what dropping a deuce in a thread looks like first hand! Well done Chum!

    I'm not going to tell anyone what to do in their home or car or on their bike for that matter. Does it irritate me? Absolutely! I just don't feel like it's my place to tell someone else what to do with their life if it's not directly affecting me. The information is out there for them to take in. If they choose to ignore it, that's their right. Now, if a buddy lights up on the trail when it's super dry out, I'm probably gonna unleash the tongue and give em an ear full. I almost lost my place last summer in the wildfires and based on the point of origin, I'd imagine it was some assclown smokin on the trail. That affected me, therefore I will let it be known it's unacceptable. If he just lights up and it's not in a densely wooded area, I'll walk upwind and be fine. Does it bug me to breathe it in at a stop light? Yeah, but I can do like Nate said and flip the switch and cut off outside air. If it's not gonna matter in 6 months, don't sweat it.
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    thread is back on track.

    sorry for the 'deletes' but I am low on tolerance for thread crapping currently....

    ;)

    Dammit CHUMp i was going to forward that link to somebody! :p
  • 01-15-2013
    CHUM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    Dammit CHUMp i was going to forward that link to somebody! :p

    check you PM
  • 01-15-2013
    NicoleB
    obviously this is a tough one, becuase what are you gonna do? on one hand, when does it become child abuse, and where do you draw the line at invasion of privacy? There is no easy answer. there will always be trashy parents who put their vices ahead of their own kids, or put Mt Dew in their toddlers baby bottle, and feed them crap. Then you've raised crappy kids who know no other way. i'm not a politically correct person and i dont think supervision is the answer to all parenting situations. afterall, my dad cussed like a sailor (pretty sure both C words were used), and showed us violent movies as young kids. my favorite was full metal jacket, and i found myself quoting the vietnamese hooker at the ripe age of ten, but still thats not a big deal to me, though some may think that's awful and trashy. I draw the line at health though. Dont start your kids on a horrible selfish path of dirt poor health because it will only transform into adult problems.
  • 01-15-2013
    cyclelicious
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    don't forget leukemia. the biggest cause of AML is exposure to benzene, which most certainly is present in tobacco (and marijuana) smoke. probably all smoke, for that matter. plenty of research out there showing the concentrations of benzene that build up in a house inhabited by smokers.


    yes thank you for adding leukemia. I can add emphysema which is a disease found in elderly smokers is now being diagnosed in patients in their late 30's and early 40;s


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    and dont forget "smoker's face". seems to hit women harder than men. Kids shouldnt be subjected to seeing that ;).

    there is research done with twins comparing the complexions of the smoker and non smokers... huge difference. Look at Keith Richards (my 80 year old mom looks younger)

    There are other studies on the effect of second hand smoke on the bones and teeth of children, and the results are as predicted


    second hand smoke exposure children - PubMed - NCBI
  • 01-15-2013
    JACKL
    I'm divorced, and my daughter had to put up with this until I got custody of her when she was 13. I even bought her mom an e-cigarette setup for my daughter's benefit which helped, but did not solve the problem.

    Here is what I don't understand and why I fought with my ex and lost all respect for her. How freakin' hard is it to just step out on the back patio to smoke???
  • 01-15-2013
    Furball the Mystery Cat
    Hi, thanks for all the replies everyone.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    I really have doubts that smoking is the only cause of lung cancer.

    I've lived in Los Angeles all my life, so I know from experience that smog can feel pretty bad too. A few times I've had a hard workout on a smoggy day, and then my chest hurts for a few hours. Now I usually check the smog forecast and avoid riding on the smoggiest days. (It's only bad a few days a year.) Current Air Quality, Forecasts and Advisories


    My father died from lung cancer when he was 68. He smoked for a few years after he was in the army, but stopped before I was born. He also worked with smokers. His lung cancer could have been from his smoking, or second hand smoke, or from all the smog here.
  • 01-15-2013
    tl1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I recall when smoking bans were being implemented in parts of SC. Some restaurants and bars owners cried that try were going to go out of business. Business flourished for most of them since they picked up the non smokers. It turned out to be one of the greatest business moves.

    I can't imagine a world with smoking on a plane or even in a restaurant anymore. I wish we had a world with none in cars or homes. I don't like visiting my parents on account of their smoking in the home.

    We heard the same things in Michigan where it was only two and a half years ago that the smoking ban in buildings open to the public was put in effect. We heard all the usual howls about government encroachment, socialism, property rights, the nanny state and so on too. So far, despite the bar and restaurant trade groups' fevered moans, the overall net effect to bars and restaurants was found to be non existent in studies done on the ban. Some places lost customers some gained. In the future I expect there to be a long term increase in restaurant business as has happened in other places that implemented smoking bans for public buildings. It is funny to watch older movies and TV shows and see how common and acceptable it was to smoke anywhere. I used to do it myself as a pack or more a day man but that was 25+ years ago. :)
  • 01-16-2013
    Rod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    obviously this is a tough one, becuase what are you gonna do? on one hand, when does it become child abuse, and where do you draw the line at invasion of privacy? There is no easy answer. there will always be trashy parents who put their vices ahead of their own kids, or put Mt Dew in their toddlers baby bottle, and feed them crap. Then you've raised crappy kids who know no other way. i'm not a politically correct person and i dont think supervision is the answer to all parenting situations. afterall, my dad cussed like a sailor (pretty sure both C words were used), and showed us violent movies as young kids. my favorite was full metal jacket, and i found myself quoting the vietnamese hooker at the ripe age of ten, but still thats not a big deal to me, though some may think that's awful and trashy. I draw the line at health though. Dont start your kids on a horrible selfish path of dirt poor health because it will only transform into adult problems.

    Extremely well said and this is how I feel.