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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball the Mystery Cat View Post
    Almost 20% of American children live with someone who smokes inside their home.
    Scary!!! Not my household!
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    I'm not for smoking, don't get me wrong, but I really have doubts that smoking is the only cause of lung cancer. I've breathed in a lot of stuff that I'm sure was much worse. I've been around people welding galvanized materials, which didn't kill me but made me wish I could die (made me really nauseous). I've been around more 2-cycle motors than I can count. Worked with massive boilers that put off all kinds of "toxins" and all sorts of other things. Do I think that cigarettes are my biggest issue? There are so many other things that can cause cancer of all sorts. I've read quite a few things that say the biggest determination of your ability to get cancer is genetics. I've also seen articles that say if a man plays with himself often enough, he won't be as likely to get prostate/testicular cancer. I think it's probably a combination of factors, not just one thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    I really have doubts that smoking is the only cause of lung cancer.
    Truth. Radon is highly overlooked, even though it's second leading cause of lung cancer in US

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    certainly there are occupations that raise lung cancer risk alongside ciggs. i think the statistics are something like 80-90% related to smoking. I think its the sheer number of ciggs the average smoker smokes in a day. its nearly continuous, whereas, many occupations involve short bursts of pollutants.

    people just talk about lung cancer though. they forget heart disease, stroke, pancreatic cancer (might as well lump nearly all cancers in there) COPD, etc. etc etc.
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    though i'd argue the OTHER bike forums are not for political/religous banter either!
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    Thank god I didn't grow up in a smoking family. However my best friend's dad was a smoker and that kinda sucked. Whenever I would go over he would be smoking in the house. If I had to ride in his car he would be smoking with the windows up. My friend would always tell him something but he would just say "this is my house" or "this is my car".

    I'm happy to report that his father no longer smokes now. He gave it up a few years ago. My best friend, however, started smoking during his short stint in the military. I guess it was the easiest way to release some stress. I hope he quits one day.
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    thread is back on track.

    sorry for the 'deletes' but I am low on tolerance for thread crapping currently....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    certainly there are occupations that raise lung cancer risk alongside ciggs. i think the statistics are something like 80-90% related to smoking. I think its the sheer number of ciggs the average smoker smokes in a day. its nearly continuous, whereas, many occupations involve short bursts of pollutants.

    people just talk about lung cancer though. they forget heart disease, stroke, pancreatic cancer (might as well lump nearly all cancers in there) COPD, etc. etc etc.
    Nicole, your listing didn't go far enough.

    CDC - Fact Sheet - Health Effects of Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use

    You don't even want to see the figures for a diabetic smoker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    thread is back on track.

    sorry for the 'deletes' but I am low on tolerance for thread crapping currently....

    Ha! I know now what dropping a deuce in a thread looks like first hand! Well done Chum!

    I'm not going to tell anyone what to do in their home or car or on their bike for that matter. Does it irritate me? Absolutely! I just don't feel like it's my place to tell someone else what to do with their life if it's not directly affecting me. The information is out there for them to take in. If they choose to ignore it, that's their right. Now, if a buddy lights up on the trail when it's super dry out, I'm probably gonna unleash the tongue and give em an ear full. I almost lost my place last summer in the wildfires and based on the point of origin, I'd imagine it was some assclown smokin on the trail. That affected me, therefore I will let it be known it's unacceptable. If he just lights up and it's not in a densely wooded area, I'll walk upwind and be fine. Does it bug me to breathe it in at a stop light? Yeah, but I can do like Nate said and flip the switch and cut off outside air. If it's not gonna matter in 6 months, don't sweat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    thread is back on track.

    sorry for the 'deletes' but I am low on tolerance for thread crapping currently....

    Dammit CHUMp i was going to forward that link to somebody!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    Dammit CHUMp i was going to forward that link to somebody!
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    obviously this is a tough one, becuase what are you gonna do? on one hand, when does it become child abuse, and where do you draw the line at invasion of privacy? There is no easy answer. there will always be trashy parents who put their vices ahead of their own kids, or put Mt Dew in their toddlers baby bottle, and feed them crap. Then you've raised crappy kids who know no other way. i'm not a politically correct person and i dont think supervision is the answer to all parenting situations. afterall, my dad cussed like a sailor (pretty sure both C words were used), and showed us violent movies as young kids. my favorite was full metal jacket, and i found myself quoting the vietnamese hooker at the ripe age of ten, but still thats not a big deal to me, though some may think that's awful and trashy. I draw the line at health though. Dont start your kids on a horrible selfish path of dirt poor health because it will only transform into adult problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    don't forget leukemia. the biggest cause of AML is exposure to benzene, which most certainly is present in tobacco (and marijuana) smoke. probably all smoke, for that matter. plenty of research out there showing the concentrations of benzene that build up in a house inhabited by smokers.

    yes thank you for adding leukemia. I can add emphysema which is a disease found in elderly smokers is now being diagnosed in patients in their late 30's and early 40;s


    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    and dont forget "smoker's face". seems to hit women harder than men. Kids shouldnt be subjected to seeing that .
    there is research done with twins comparing the complexions of the smoker and non smokers... huge difference. Look at Keith Richards (my 80 year old mom looks younger)

    There are other studies on the effect of second hand smoke on the bones and teeth of children, and the results are as predicted


    second hand smoke exposure children - PubMed - NCBI
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    I'm divorced, and my daughter had to put up with this until I got custody of her when she was 13. I even bought her mom an e-cigarette setup for my daughter's benefit which helped, but did not solve the problem.

    Here is what I don't understand and why I fought with my ex and lost all respect for her. How freakin' hard is it to just step out on the back patio to smoke???

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    Hi, thanks for all the replies everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottap2003 View Post
    I really have doubts that smoking is the only cause of lung cancer.
    I've lived in Los Angeles all my life, so I know from experience that smog can feel pretty bad too. A few times I've had a hard workout on a smoggy day, and then my chest hurts for a few hours. Now I usually check the smog forecast and avoid riding on the smoggiest days. (It's only bad a few days a year.) Current Air Quality, Forecasts and Advisories


    My father died from lung cancer when he was 68. He smoked for a few years after he was in the army, but stopped before I was born. He also worked with smokers. His lung cancer could have been from his smoking, or second hand smoke, or from all the smog here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I recall when smoking bans were being implemented in parts of SC. Some restaurants and bars owners cried that try were going to go out of business. Business flourished for most of them since they picked up the non smokers. It turned out to be one of the greatest business moves.

    I can't imagine a world with smoking on a plane or even in a restaurant anymore. I wish we had a world with none in cars or homes. I don't like visiting my parents on account of their smoking in the home.
    We heard the same things in Michigan where it was only two and a half years ago that the smoking ban in buildings open to the public was put in effect. We heard all the usual howls about government encroachment, socialism, property rights, the nanny state and so on too. So far, despite the bar and restaurant trade groups' fevered moans, the overall net effect to bars and restaurants was found to be non existent in studies done on the ban. Some places lost customers some gained. In the future I expect there to be a long term increase in restaurant business as has happened in other places that implemented smoking bans for public buildings. It is funny to watch older movies and TV shows and see how common and acceptable it was to smoke anywhere. I used to do it myself as a pack or more a day man but that was 25+ years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    obviously this is a tough one, becuase what are you gonna do? on one hand, when does it become child abuse, and where do you draw the line at invasion of privacy? There is no easy answer. there will always be trashy parents who put their vices ahead of their own kids, or put Mt Dew in their toddlers baby bottle, and feed them crap. Then you've raised crappy kids who know no other way. i'm not a politically correct person and i dont think supervision is the answer to all parenting situations. afterall, my dad cussed like a sailor (pretty sure both C words were used), and showed us violent movies as young kids. my favorite was full metal jacket, and i found myself quoting the vietnamese hooker at the ripe age of ten, but still thats not a big deal to me, though some may think that's awful and trashy. I draw the line at health though. Dont start your kids on a horrible selfish path of dirt poor health because it will only transform into adult problems.
    Extremely well said and this is how I feel.
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