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    Vegetarian and Vegan Passion

    Okay all you fellow hippies, check in here. Share recipes and other BS, tree-hugger stuff - ethical cycling gear (non-skin) perhaps?

    By the way, do I still get to be part of the club if I'm a strict vegetarian (for ethical reasons) yet have a gun collection and a proud member of the NRA?

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    No. NRA membership voids all treehugging ties

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    I have a lot of respect for vegans. Along with a lot of pity.
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    I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PVR View Post
    I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.


    Have to use salt and pepper.

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    One of my favorites...

    I love this recipe! It's delicious!
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    Have to use salt and pepper.
    A little minced garlic.
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    How did I know more meat eaters would chime in than vegetarians?

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    I eat the meat of vegetarian animals...

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    Semi serious question...What is the point of Tofurkey? If a vegetarian won't eat turkey for any number of reasons, why do they want their tofu to taste like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    How did I know more meat eaters would chime in than vegetarians?
    We out number you 5000 to 1?
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    Wife's a vegetarian. I love making Tofu curry... cut firm tofu into 1/2" squares and fry in olive oil. Then mix with veggies, curry powder, cayenne, garlic, and coconut milk. (And whatever I forgot to list). Serve over freshly made jasmine rice.

    Tip as well: We just discovered how awesome the Go Lean sausage in the produce section tastes. Especially if you add a little Cayenne, cumin, and curry powder.

    I still eat meat, and there is nothing in the world I like better than beef. But I also really like a lot of vegetarian foods. Friggin Tempeh burgers brushed with Sriracha sauce and grilled... heaven on a plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Semi serious question...What is the point of Tofurkey? If a vegetarian won't eat turkey for any number of reasons, why do they want their tofu to taste like it?
    It doesn't. If you think a fake meat or cheese substitue tastes exactly like the real thing, you've been vegi/vegan for too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    By the way, do I still get to be part of the club if I'm a strict vegetarian (for ethical reasons) yet have a gun collection and a proud member of the NRA?
    When the revolution comes, you'll have to defend your tofu somehow.

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    Friggin Tempeh burgers brushed with Sriracha sauce and grilled... heaven on a plate.
    That does sound awesome.


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    Gee, we feed the baby bacon formula, wash in bacon soap.....what kind of life is there without bacon???

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    Did you know some bacon bits are vegan!

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    ah, the vegan/vegetarian vs meat eater threads. always the best ever. here we go now!

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    At my house the Indian word for vegetarian is " Poor Hunter " We eat lots of elk. Makes you faster on these loooong rides.
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    tg, that is some imagery. carcasses and bikes. wow.

    i'm marinating a steak as i type.

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    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    I have no problems with hunters who eat what they kill. Like I said, I'm a proud NRA member and a conservative leaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    tg, that is some imagery. carcasses and bikes. wow. Two of my very favorite things.......hunting elk and riding bikes.

    i'm marinating a steak as i type.
    I do a lot of scouting from the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    I have no problems with hunters who eat what they kill. Like I said, I'm a proud NRA member and a conservative leaning.
    I am Vegi, i still eat fish however, so Pesco-Vegi is the proper term.

    I love it, i feel great, it solved some issues i had while eating meat, it uses less resources and can support larger populations, and i still go out and do 260 mile rides.

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    Dharma's in Capitola ... excellent eats after a good ride. Decent beer on tap too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Semi serious question...What is the point of Tofurkey? If a vegetarian won't eat turkey for any number of reasons, why do they want their tofu to taste like it?
    I laugh at that too. I always wonder why vegi meats are made to look at taste like real ones. it could go the other way.

    I have had this business idea for a while. Why not a pure a carnivorian diet?

    --Faux lettuce made from thinly sliced prosciutto colored green like lettuce.
    --Beef heart made into tomatoes
    --Compressed pulled pork "tatertots"
    --Kidney "chunks" beans
    --Filet minon made into.....what? filet minon of course. Need a balance diet her ya know.

    Lets make our vegitables be meat so we can have a pure meat diet. Why should the vegetarians have it all? We can too.
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    Ah, vege people. How wrong you are about your diet, it's incredible.

    Every cell in your body is a product of millions of years of evolution. Evolution which consisted of our ancestors eating meat. Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    You think that just because someone invented food replacement items they are good for you? That because you decided to go against the nature your body will rapidly shed millions of years of need&want in favor of your forced diet?

    Fun fact; no human society / tribe living out of the food they can produce or hunt is vege. Even if they are expert agriculture society, and even if their diet consists mostly out of vegetables and fruit, they will either hunt for fish or other animals to boost their diet.

    Vege type of diet is only possible because your food ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
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    Carnivorous vegan here; vegy diet supplemented with hefty side dishes of beef, pork, poultry, and fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Okay all you fellow hippies, check in here. Share recipes and other BS, tree-hugger stuff - ethical cycling gear (non-skin) perhaps?

    By the way, do I still get to be part of the club if I'm a strict vegetarian (for ethical reasons) yet have a gun collection and a proud member of the NRA?
    my wife is vegan... i'm slowing moving over to the vegetarian. it is a real challange to cook for a vegan. i find that it is making me a better cook and understanding flavors and textures in food. one of the lucky things of the area in which we live is that there is
    a large population of people from all over india. so we have a great slection of vegetarian resturants, ingredients, etc...

    going to try some of this, in homemade vegan sushi rolls

    Vegetarian caviar food fit for a pauper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    Ah, vege people. How wrong you are about your diet, it's incredible.

    Every cell in your body is a product of millions of years of evolution. Evolution which consisted of our ancestors eating meat. Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    You think that just because someone invented food replacement items they are good for you? That because you decided to go against the nature your body will rapidly shed millions of years of need&want in favor of your forced diet?

    Fun fact; no human society / tribe living out of the food they can produce or hunt is vege. Even if they are expert agriculture society, and even if their diet consists mostly out of vegetables and fruit, they will either hunt for fish or other animals to boost their diet.

    Vege type of diet is only possible because your food ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
    I don't even think I could say this reply is poorly researched, I don't even think it is researched at all! Sounds a lot like opinion to me, and we all have a right to our opinion. Please do not try to dress it up as 'fact'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    I have no problems with hunters who eat what they kill. Like I said, I'm a proud NRA member and a conservative leaning.
    I'm a life long vegetarian and now vegan (former roadie and now addicted to dh), My husband (a long time cyclist and now dh'er) is not vegetarian but is slowly converting. He likes to do most of the cooking and has experimented with food combinations that provide optimum nutrition (without the extra empty calories), to convert to energy.

    I've rarely have a proplem with bonking on long rides, I' m strong enough to ride advanced technical trails.

    Please keep this thread alive. There are vegetarians.vegans on MTBR and some who are contemplating a vegetarian (meat-free) diet and would appreciate the imput and experiences from others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simpterfex View Post
    Did you know some bacon bits are vegan!
    Bacos are made from Textured Vegetable Protein (TVP). Invented by a prof still at Stanford, he made a buck or two.
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    I haven't eaten red meat in 45 years, I do fish and eat fish, some dairy, I'm still able to bounce back from crashes, and do a good job at the races, I ride 50 to 100 miles a week on trails, my pre ride meals are oatmeal with lots of berries/banana, or 40 oz. smoothies with everything in the fridge in them,
    I ride the 18.6 mile Potawami trail in Michigan, 2 to 4 times a week, best time 1 hr 42 min, its one of the hardest trails in the area, I'm still improving, I'm only 65 yrs old, I hope to be doing this for a few more years, I don't take any meds, my standing heart rate is 50 bpm.
    I don't know if not eating red meat has helped me, but I don't think its hurt me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manabiker View Post
    I haven't eaten red meat in 45 years, I do fish and eat fish, some dairy, I'm still able to bounce back from crashes, and do a good job at the races, I ride 50 to 100 miles a week on trails, my pre ride meals are oatmeal with lots of berries/banana, or 40 oz. smoothies with everything in the fridge in them,
    I ride the 18.6 mile Potawami trail in Michigan, 2 to 4 times a week, best time 1 hr 42 min, its one of the hardest trails in the area, I'm still improving, I'm only 65 yrs old, I hope to be doing this for a few more years, I don't take any meds, my standing heart rate is 50 bpm.
    I don't know if not eating red meat has helped me, but I don't think its hurt me.
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    We might disagree on motorcycles Manabiker, but not on diet! I have never been a big meat eater, but recently have cut out dairy, refined sugars and flours as much as possible, and base my intake on plant-based rather than animal based products. I try and eat foods that are clean and as raw as possible. I also juice every day. There is a lot of evidence that this is a healthier option for us, but I realise that people will disagree. I have suggested elsewhere that the movie "Forks over Knives" outlines a great many of the benefits such a diet has for us, and how many of the current poor health issues in the 'developed' world would be minimised if we were to follow these guidelines. Incidence of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, some cancers and many other conditions would be drastically cut, and people suffering these afflictions would see a great improvement in their conditions if they maintained this healthier eating habit.
    I am not saying that meat does not have a part of any diet, but my choice is to not have it if given the option. All the other cr*p that gets put into our food is mostly to blame for ill-health. I ride a lot, up to 2 hours off road each day when I am home; I am 55 years old, 6' tall and in the last few weeks have trimmed down to 175 Lbs from a lifelong fluctuation between 185 and 195. I have a lot of energy too, sleep well, and generally feel bloody good... That is all the evidence I need to eat healthy.

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    I was raw vegan for awhile and then university happened. I'm trying to get back into it. It's like a drug, you feel sooo much better about everything and just in general happier. Also if you have the will power to go raw vegan you can just about do anything.

    If you need a quick snack try kelp chips, dehydrated if you are rv or just baked if you're just a vegan or vegetarian.
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    Below this informative video is a place to put your zip code, to find good food and eat well... from places near you.. family farms etc...

    http://www.themeatrix.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by manabiker View Post
    Below this informative video is a place to put your zip code, to find good food and eat well... from places near you.. family farms etc...

    http://www.themeatrix.com/
    Cool, thanks, I had not seen this one. I did try the search for local restaurants tho, and it returned 6 local Chipotle Grills! (Amongst some other places too). Something I should know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    Ah, vege people. How wrong you are about your diet, it's incredible.

    Every cell in your body is a product of millions of years of evolution. Evolution which consisted of our ancestors eating meat. Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    You think that just because someone invented food replacement items they are good for you? That because you decided to go against the nature your body will rapidly shed millions of years of need&want in favor of your forced diet?

    Fun fact; no human society / tribe living out of the food they can produce or hunt is vege. Even if they are expert agriculture society, and even if their diet consists mostly out of vegetables and fruit, they will either hunt for fish or other animals to boost their diet.

    Vege type of diet is only possible because your food ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
    If the S hit the fan, I have lots of guns and ammo and I will gladly kill an animal for food, as will my vegan wife.

    And you you assume that people who eat meat don't eat it out of luxury? Quite the opposite. A meat centric type of diet is only possible because meat ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket - the world is full of p*ssies who couldn't kill, skin and cook an animal for food with their own hands.

    This is why I respect and support hunters - these people actually have a relationship with their kill. It's a far cry from some fat lady with diabetes in a moo-moo ordering up 3 Quarter Pounders with Cheese with a milkshake at McDonalds.

    Hunters don't let their kill suffer. The death is generally swift and most hunters will pride themselves on a good, fast kill. The meat industry - they don't care if an animal suffers.

    We don't live in a apocalyptic society. We live in a rich society that allows us options. I'm a vegetarian because I don't vibe with the ethics of the meat industry. I support small farmers (who sell meat, too), fishermen and hunters. Also - all my stomach issues have gone away - doc says I'm "healthy as a horse".

    I'm not one of those bleeding heart liberals throwing paint on fur coats. I hate those causes and they don't do a good job in promoting vegetarianism as an option.

    The best compliments that I receive is "You are a vegetarian? How do you stay so muscular?"

    I ride 100 miles a week (MTB) and race cyclocross on a veggie diet, throwing in weight training in there. This diet sucks

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    Vegetarian here. Been one for 16 years. I don't do it for the animals. In fact, I hate animals. I hate them so much I won't even put them in my mouth.

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    I'm a supporter of PETA.

    PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals

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    i know a lot of people who were vegans/vegetarians but somehow returned to their meat-eating ways. bacon was usually their "gateway meat'...

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    Funny, I was eating a cheeseburger when I opened this thread.

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    These are hilarious! (See, even vegetarians have a sense of humor)

    BTW we even have our own vegan soundboard

    As far as PETA goes:

    would you dare eat a steak in front of her?

    Or keep up with Sally Hibberd?


    Regardless we do love our epic meal time
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    I've been a vegetarian (ovo lacto) for 8 years, but I really don't care what anyone else eats. It's a personal choice, and I won't claim that it's any better or worse than anyone else's dietary choices. The preachy comments from either side bore me, although I can still appreciate a bit of good-natured humor from either viewpoint. Eat whatever you want.

    Couple of misc. comments;

    - "Replacement" foods from grocery store are not needed. Lots of easy ways to get protein out of standard whole or near-whole sources. Sightly more thought required on this item for full vegans as opposed to vegetarians, of course.

    - I'm no world class rider, but I have won multiple 24-hour solo races during these 8 years. Being a vegetarian isn't a limiter on physical ability or performance in my experience.

    - I enjoy my food, it's tastes, textures, and scents. I'm not fighting off any complusion to eat meat, nor do I miss it. Nuff said.

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    totally forgot about VBMC

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I don't even think I could say this reply is poorly researched, I don't even think it is researched at all! Sounds a lot like opinion to me, and we all have a right to our opinion. Please do not try to dress it up as 'fact'.
    I lived on an island in the Pacific for 6 months living of what I can catch.

    Long story short, unless I ate fish or shells, I could not lift a finger. You cannot make a good living (have energy) eating only fruit and vegetables even tho lush Pacific islands have abundance of them. You just cannot.

    Need proof?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    . We live in a rich society that allows us options. I'm a vegetarian because I don't vibe with the ethics of the meat industry. I support small farmers (who sell meat, too), fishermen and hunters. Also - all my stomach issues have gone away - doc says I'm "healthy as a horse".
    I agree. Meat industry sucks, and they mistreat animals. But if I stopped eating and drinking and using stuff which came from such conditions, I'd basically stop existing. Do you agree with sweatshops? With people working 18h for 1$ to bring you that iPhone?

    I respect vege people just for the fact they are disciplined. That being said, I hate them because they are a pain in the ass. Wherever we go as a group of friends, that place needs to have their food. It's basically impossible to coexist in a group with you folks. The demands, the drama (not all vege dramatise, but I have seen them acting like bloody Jehova Witness).

    What I know firsthand is that some of my friends who used to be vege, switched back to meat, or at least to birds (poultry?). Hardships of mountain biking were too great. And it is too complicated to get all the required replacement food. So they just went normal diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    ...Hardships of mountain biking were too great. And it is too complicated to get all the required replacement food. So they just went normal diet.
    That's too bad. These athletes didn't give up so easily:

    Carl Lewis-Vegetarian


    and this guy...


    Except for the occasional opponent's ear...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    I lived on an island in the Pacific for 6 months living of what I can catch.

    Long story short, unless I ate fish or shells, I could not lift a finger. You cannot make a good living (have energy) eating only fruit and vegetables even tho lush Pacific islands have abundance of them. You just cannot.

    Need proof?
    why are you generalizing like this, it shows your ignorance... i go on fruit and vegetable ONLY diets at least once a week out of every month, eating nothing but raw fruits and vegetables, and I can say that my energy levels are HIGHER than when i eat cooked/processed foods. I ride, run and lift at the gym every day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebo View Post
    Dharma's in Capitola ... excellent eats after a good ride. Decent beer on tap too.
    +1 for Dharma's. Asian Rose is my favorite place in Santa Cruz. I also love the Kung Pao tofu at The Golden Buddha.

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    I've been vegetarian for five years. I eat dairy occasionally.

    I eat better. My palate has grown more sophisticated and has dived deeper into different cultural dishes than ever before. I've learned how to prepare food, not just reheat/grill it.

    I feel better. Everyday. Period.

    I live better. I like knowing that my choice(s) help support "better" options in terms of Green business and agriculture.

    I also own a gun, but I'm not a member of the NRA or PETA. Quite simply, I cannot support views I perceive to be extremist.

    I support ethical hunting. Nothing is more "'American'" than killing an animal and serving it to family and friends for dinner.

    Veganism as a culture is probably even more annoying to veggies than it is to carnivores. I hate being lectured on going vegan by someone drinking a dollar beer and smoking a cig. Hope onto your damn fixie and ride away, Sir!
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    Vegetarian here. Been one for 16 years. I don't do it for the animals. In fact, I hate animals. I hate them so much I won't even put them in my mouth.
    I can't believe somebody gave me a neg rep over a bit of humor. Almost makes me want to stop being a vegetarian and become a cannibal.

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    I can't believe somebody gave me a neg rep over a bit of humor. Almost makes me want to stop being a vegetarian and become a cannibal.
    Me too; some dildo dooosh nozzle with a cowardly axe to grind didn't like my post on bacon flavored formula....says to post elsewhere and that it was off topic. Sad to see so many doped up dopes.

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    When I ran cross country in high school my coach was a vegetarian and insisted that we give it a try. I tried it for a month and hated every second of it. I felt weak and my running suffered a lot. Now that I know more about diet and nutrition I'm sure I was doing it all wrong. Not enough variety or calories. Now it would be nearly impossible for me try to be a vegetarian if I had the desire to. Being in the Army you pretty much eat what the hell they give you when your in the field or deployed.

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    These are hilarious! (See, even vegetarians have a sense of humor)

    BTW we even have our own vegan soundboard

    As far as PETA goes:

    would you dare eat a steak in front of her?


    Funny that Pamela Lee is vegan, shes had more meat in her than Burger King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    When I ran cross country in high school my coach was a vegetarian and insisted that we give it a try. I tried it for a month and hated every second of it. I felt weak and my running suffered a lot. Now that I know more about diet and nutrition I'm sure I was doing it all wrong. Not enough variety or calories. Now it would be nearly impossible for me try to be a vegetarian if I had the desire to. Being in the Army you pretty much eat what the hell they give you when your in the field or deployed.

    PS if you neg rep someone and don't have the stones to put your name behind it you are nothing but a spineless little b*tch
    Of which there are too many to count.

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    Of which there are too many to count.



    Yeah we get it, you don't like the neg rep you get, no one cares anymore because you pollute every single thread with this bs.

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    Yeah we get it, you don't like the neg rep you get, no one cares anymore because you pollute every single thread with this bs.




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    Funny that Pamela Lee is vegan, shes had more meat in her than Burger King.
    YEAH!

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    learn how to make your own seitan. there are two methods, boiling and baking. I prefer to bake mine. yummy stuff if you spice it right.

    being vegan for the last 10 1/2 years has been working for me. however, I have learned to keep out of internet discussions because people get really defensive and rude. so that's all I will add to it. if you want to ask me about vegetarianism, recipes, etc, PM me. i won't waste my time playing games with rednecks who don't understand or respect my choices.

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    @Daemon I was a raw vegan for two years and took maca, vitamin c, msm which in the long run aren't that many supplements and I was at my peak. Don't make statements like that unless you've tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    I lived on an island in the Pacific for 6 months living of what I can catch.

    Long story short, unless I ate fish or shells, I could not lift a finger. You cannot make a good living (have energy) eating only fruit and vegetables even tho lush Pacific islands have abundance of them. You just cannot.

    Need proof?
    This is not really a valid argument in the light of what we are discussing. I truly believe that you CAN get enough nutrition in our society from a plant based diet to be able to support any strenuous activity and to live a much healthier life. If you are stuck on a desert island or similar, then by all means eat whatever you can get your hands on if that is all there is. However, we do have the ability to get all kinds of healthier options today that do not necessarily include animal products. People do thrive on this diet. There is plenty of proof of this if you care to look at the remote possibility you might be mistaken about this.
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    Vegan Gyro. Very good.

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    I've tried and will continue to try. Have given up beef completely, still eat fish, eggs, chicken once in awhile. Almost completely dairy free, I think that the reduction in dairy has been the biggest improvement for me.

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    Dairy was the easiest for me once I learned that milk has pus in it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    ... Almost completely dairy free, I think that the reduction in dairy has been the biggest improvement for me.

    I think many people would find this true if they gave it a chance. I'm not dairy free (because I have a love of cheese,) but I feel better when I eat less dairy. People generally become lactose intolerant as they get older. There's no point in forcing your body to try to breakdown things it'd rather not have in it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Sexy Beast View Post
    Source?

    "i think that's what happens" does not count as a reliable source.
    I'll see what I can find. I know it has a lot to do with a person's ethnic background, but I'll search.

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    Developmental causes of lactose intolerance

    The most common cause of lactase deficiency is a decrease in the amount of lactase that occurs after childhood and persists into adulthood, referred to as adult-type hypolactasia. This decrease in lactase is genetically programmed, and the prevalence of this type of lactase deficiency in different ethnic groups is highly variable. Thus, in Asian populations it is almost 100%, among American Indians it is 80%, and in blacks it is 70%; however, in American Caucasians the prevalence of lactase deficiency is only 20%. In addition to variability in the prevalence of lactase deficiency, there also is variability in the age at which symptoms of lactose intolerance appear. Thus, in Asian populations, the symptoms of lactase deficiency (intolerance) occur around the age of 5, among Blacks and Mexican-Americans by the age of 10, and in the Finnish by age 20.

    It is important to emphasize that lactase deficiency is not the same as lactose intolerance. Persons with milder deficiencies of lactase often have no symptoms after the ingestion of milk. For unclear reasons, even persons with moderate deficiencies of lactase may not have symptoms. A diagnosis of lactase deficiency is made when the amount of lactase in the intestine is reduced, but a diagnosis of lactose intolerance is made only when the reduced amount of lactase causes symptoms.

    Lactose Intolerance Causes, Symptoms, Diagnosis and Treatment on MedicineNet.com

    Other links,
    Lactose intolerance: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
    Prevalence, Age & Genetics of Lactose Intolerance
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    ice cream made from coconut milk is actually quite good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    ice cream made from coconut milk is actually quite good!
    Yup! Sorbet also fills the Ice cream void well. My fav is Jamaican me crazy from Ben & Jerry's

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Sexy Beast View Post
    "People generally become lactose intolerant as they get older"

    Still waiting...
    So intolerant is the wrong word, but people do tend to develope issues with dairy as they age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Sexy Beast View Post
    Source?

    "i think that's what happens" does not count as a reliable source.
    Did you not read the links? National Geographic had a good article on it awhile back. I'll try to find it.

    To paraphrase,
    Babies (includes all ethnic/racial backgrounds) create lactase inorder to process lactose. When the body stops creating lactase, it becomes difficult to process lactose into its two simple sugars so that it can be absorbed by the intestine. Caucasians are the largest group to not always experience this stop in lactase production. Since caucasians make up a very small portion of the World's over all population, it is safe to say that many humans lose their ability to process dairy as they age.



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    Beef i can give up, chicken, no way. Don't eat beef more than once a week, most of the time is chicken or fish.

    Burger with bacon, no way i could give up red meat.

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    I respect people who make their dietary choices without getting preachy, snotty, or rude about it. I happen to enjoy meat too much to give it up entirely. That said, I do enjoy a lot of vegetarian meals and will also enjoy the occasional vegan meal. But I enjoy cheese too much to give it up, especially local artisan cheeses.

    I try to get all of my food locally, organically, and from people who really love raising/growing food. Unfortunately, it's super expensive to do that with your whole diet, so I do it bit by bit when I can. My diet varies quite a bit seasonally these days, and I think that makes me appreciate a lot of my food even more. I stock up on peaches, plums, blueberries, and squashes when they're in season locally. I can usually get enough blueberries to stock my freezer for the year where I live. But the peaches and plums usually don't make it to the freezer. And you always have too much squash - squash is funny that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrasmak View Post
    Beef i can give up, ......... no way i could give up red meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AptosRider View Post
    Beef isn't red meat, its black and white...idiot.
























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    +1 on the Coconut Milk Ice Cream. They are doing some very good flavors now. Also, cultured coconut milk as a yogurt replacement, and if you like cheese but have trouble with it digestively, raw goat milk cheese is a good substitute. There's a lot of stuff out there if you care to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    learn how to make your own seitan. there are two methods, boiling and baking. I prefer to bake mine. yummy stuff if you spice it right.

    being vegan for the last 10 1/2 years has been working for me. however, I have learned to keep out of internet discussions because people get really defensive and rude. so that's all I will add to it. if you want to ask me about vegetarianism, recipes, etc, PM me. i won't waste my time playing games with rednecks who don't understand or respect my choices.
    I've finally mastered seitan a week ago. Been a veg' for 12 years. Now there's no stopping me from mocking duck, chicken, beef...Here's a tip if you don't do it already: Once the seitan is in dough form, I knead it flat and stretch it. I then roll it like a carpet in a tight cylinder or ball. I never let the broth boil (that's the hardest part), voila!

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    interesting stat: 399 million people, are vegetarians in india, in the states it is over 3% of the pop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    ice cream made from coconut milk is actually quite good!
    Insanely, fabulously, desperately good, especially chocolate--likely because of the fat in coconut. Coconut in all of its forms is now the next big thing in health foods. Fine by me.
    Really like red lentils and sweet potatoes with Tasty Bite Good Korma Simmer Sauce or you could make your own korma sauce. Some have cream, some not:
    coconut, onions, tomatoes, cashews, garlic, ginger, chiles, turmeric, cardamom, clove, pepper, cinnamon, coriander.
    Have felt much better getting a daily fix of greens, usually bok choy or kale or Napa cabbage or similar + mixed salad greens.

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    For those of you on here that have made seitan, how does it compare to store bought seitan price wise? Also, how long does it keep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    For those of you on here that have made seitan, how does it compare to store bought seitan price wise? Also, how long does it keep?
    I cheat and buy the vital wheat gluten. There are those hard core guys/gals that make it by filtering the flour to get the gluten (probably the same people that ride rigid SS). It usually runs me about 7 bucks for a lb. That single bag of vital wheat gluten will last me a month.
    Of course it took me a couple of bags to get the process down.

    And whatever you do, don't let the stuff get into your pipes. Seitan is tantamount to plaster when it gets in your plumbing

    Flavor-wise, price-wise and shelf-life wise making your own wins every time. The things you can do with it are innumerable. I also found that store bought seitan was way too salty.

    Besides, you have to make things like seitan reubens from scratch
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    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seemlessstate View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
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    I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with eating animal products except that these days we live on a very polluted planet and the farther up the food chain you eat the more concentrated crap you are directly taking into your body along with the crap you can't avoid by living in the environment. Plus excess cholesterol may not be a good thing but that jury is still out, apparently.

    I'm not saying any of it will kill you right off but most people die of cancer so I like to limit exposure where I can.

    I still eat meat but limit my intake. I have no religious or moral issues with eating meat either. All primates eat meat when they can get it and if we hadn't had the high caloric boost from eating it back in the early days we would not have been able to prosper and evolve as we did.

    To answer a question about why you would want to eat Tofurkey? It may not be as good as turkey but it's not bad and if you make a sandwich with it along with the other things you might add to it the Tofukey adds some (good) texture and taste that would not be there if it was all vegetables. Adds some protein too. So it tastes pretty good and you get to cut out some of the animal product from your diet. Veganaise is good stuff too. No cholesterol.

    For those who think eating fish and chicken is way better for you then beef do a little research on what the conditions are like on large scale poultry farms where almost all the non organic stuff comes from; then do a little research on what pollutants are in the oceans. Organic grass fed beef may not look so bad anymore.
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    Beef isn't red meat, its black and white...idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seemlessstate View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
    Good post. Thank you for putting it so well. Are you a roadie? And I do not use the term in any derogatory way, I just have spent 35 years in the music touring business, and your description sounds very like what I have seen all these years... I know how physically and mentally demanding it can be. (When I say 'roadie' I mean as in a non-cycling way!)
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    I've been doing the pesco-vegetarian thing for a few months now. Hats off to those who stick to it. I've had to cheat a number of times when dining at other's houses and meat is for dinner. I don't want to be picky and not be invited back. Of course my gf makes an announcement about it and I have to explain that it's not a big deal.
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    My wife has been vegetarian (ovo-lacto) for 25 years, so we don't cook meat at home. I just eat it when out (had a nice rib eye for a special anniversary treat tonight in fact!). But due to high cholesterol I'm mostly off red meat eggs cheese etc. Thank goodness I like fish.

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    I have huge respect for vege people. My two close friends are vegans, and the discipline of vegan life spreads to discipline in other regions. They are never late to work, they are always organised, etc.

    That being said, these are two of my bottom line thoughts regarding vege diet.

    A) it is not natural. You cannot spontaneously decide not to eat animal products when we have been eating them for millions of years. There are replacement products, yes. Replacement. I think (maybe I'm wrong) but the human society yet has to see a person who lived his entire life being vegan and had no complications whatsoever because of it. Be it during pregnancy, old age, recovery from sickness etc. Show me a family that lived vege life for generations, and you convinced me.

    B) You are not fighting meat industry. Even if 20% of 1st world county population were vege, that will only make meat industry work harder with their buyers to put more meat into other 80%. By pure "coincidence" will McDonalds make a sandwich with meat and bacon and extra meat. Screw it, make buns out of meat. You cannot fight meat industry. Being vege out of rebellion against meat industry makes you like those folks who are anti-capitalist anti-corporate, yet on rallies they come in Dr.Martiens boots, Levis 501, Gap shirts with Che Guevara print. Of course, they organised event via iPhone, over Facebook. Vege lifestyle is a product of marketing, and you know it. Food industry wanted to make more money, so they shoved some guerilla marketing commercials into your head how you have to fight animal abuse, stop getting fat in Burger King. "Here, don't eat meat, eat this instead. And, oh, that food is harder to come by, +50% price, sorry. Be a good rebel, pay more!"
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    Man, the irony. As I posted this, I saw an article about vegan parents killing their baby through malnutrition.

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    I have huge respect for vege people. My two close friends are vegans, and the discipline of vegan life spreads to discipline in other regions. They are never late to work, they are always organised, etc.

    That being said, these are two of my bottom line thoughts regarding vege diet.

    A) it is not natural. You cannot spontaneously decide not to eat animal products when we have been eating them for millions of years. There are replacement products, yes. Replacement. I think (maybe I'm wrong) but the human society yet has to see a person who lived his entire life being vegan and had no complications whatsoever because of it. Be it during pregnancy, old age, recovery from sickness etc. Show me a family that lived vege life for generations, and you convinced me.

    B) You are not fighting meat industry. Even if 20% of 1st world county population were vege, that will only make meat industry work harder with their buyers to put more meat into other 80%. By pure "coincidence" will McDonalds make a sandwich with meat and bacon and extra meat. Screw it, make buns out of meat. You cannot fight meat industry. Being vege out of rebellion against meat industry makes you like those folks who are anti-capitalist anti-corporate, yet on rallies they come in Dr.Martiens boots, Levis 501, Gap shirts with Che Guevara print. Of course, they organised event via iPhone, over Facebook. Vege lifestyle is a product of marketing, and you know it. Food industry wanted to make more money, so they shoved some guerilla marketing commercials into your head how you have to fight animal abuse, stop getting fat in Burger King. "Here, don't eat meat, eat this instead. And, oh, that food is harder to come by, +50% price, sorry. Be a good rebel, pay more!"
    outstanding post. i am not allowed to give away any more rep today. maybe tomorrow.

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    All discussion aside and to get back to the OP's question: I've been a vegan for about three years now. My favourite recipe (or one of them, at least):

    burrito wraps filled with little chunks of grilled tofu (nicely covered with ground pepper and celery seeds) and a mixture of avocado paste, cucumber, tomatoes, onions, paprikas and olive oil. Cover with your favourite type of lettuce before wrapping it all up :P

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