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    Quote Originally Posted by natzx7 View Post
    Had a nice 4 + hour ride today, earned my Tofurkey. Holidays are always a tough time for us vegetarians, with family dinners and such. Our plan is to get everyone to go to a restaurant where there is some vegetarian options, that way we don't have to impose on someone to make special dishes or bring our own food. What do you guys do?
    I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not allergic to meat. I don't believe in a religion that forbids eating meat. So, if I eat a bit twice or thrice a year it's not a big deal. From the health aspect and the moral aspect what I do 99% of the year matters more. I'm not going to let my diet choice dictate how I participate in the holidays with my friends and family. I have yet to go to a meal and not find enough vegetarian things to eat to get by. I also try to not make a big deal out of it. If I can select vegetarian items and nobody notices then I feel like I achieved my mission. I sort of treat it like a game. To be honest, people are so worried about themselves few actually pay much attention to what I'm eating unless I talk about it.
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    I'm not vegetarian but I have been making healthier food choices and fixing veggie only meals or dinners about 3 or 4 nights a week. Tonight we had a garden salad with roasted butternut squash on the side. The squash came out really good so I thought I would share.

    one washed butternut squash cut into 1 to 2 inch pieces put into an oven roasting pan
    enough olive oil to coat maybe (3 to 5 tablespoons)
    1 tablespoon steak rub & appx. 1/2 teaspoon garlic salt
    drizzle small amount of maple syrup (sorry no measurement)
    Mix spices and squash pieces until well coated
    Bake uncovered in preheated 375 degree oven for appx. 20 min. then cover and cook for another 10 minutes or until done.

    It is a little bit sweet and savory too. Next time I will add a few crushed red pepper flakes

    edit: The steak rub is also good on roasted potatoes
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    Ive been vegi for about a year and vegan for 5 months. For me, its not about the animals, its about my health. I try to eat raw a lot as well.

    Since Ive changed my eating habits Ive been stronger on the bike and my recovery time has greatly improved. The meals are excellent and its been a fun change.

    This was my first T-giving with no meat and it went excellent. We made a black bean quinioa salad, mashed sweet potatos, mac and cheese, and a field roast bought at whole foods.

    The mac and cheese was a hit with our 2 boys. We used elbow rice noodles and the cheese was a blend of cashews and nutritional yeast and a few others things, a small amount of sauteed kale and smoked spanish paprika. Everything turned our really well.

    The best part is we all ate a ton of food but I still felt good afterward. Nothing like I use to feel after eating a traditional Thanksgiving meal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not allergic to meat. I don't believe in a religion that forbids eating meat. So, if I eat a bit twice or thrice a year it's not a big deal. From the health aspect and the moral aspect what I do 99% of the year matters more. I'm not going to let my diet choice dictate how I participate in the holidays with my friends and family. I have yet to go to a meal and not find enough vegetarian things to eat to get by. I also try to not make a big deal out of it. If I can select vegetarian items and nobody notices then I feel like I achieved my mission. I sort of treat it like a game. To be honest, people are so worried about themselves few actually pay much attention to what I'm eating unless I talk about it.
    ^^^^This

    I just couldn't refuse christmas eve sushi, it was a yearly splurge. But I could easily pass on the same prime rib (which I never liked) on christmas proper. Passing on turkey was easy too, same turkey every year. I made something vegan to bring, it escapes me what exactly I brought... maybe a desert? I know I splurged and ate vegetarian instead of vegan during family dinners. My first thanksgiving away from the family, I made a full vegan feast. It was great when I made all the rules

    I got razzed by the family for eating sushi but not beef, or a piece of pie but no ice cream. But just don't let it bother you. For special occasions, and in small amounts, it won't hurt you, is tasty, and makes the family happy to see you eat the food they slaved over. Keeping them guessing is good for them anyways, makes them more tolerant for future gatherings.

    Just like Asmodeus said, don't make a big deal about it, eat a nice selection of vegetarian sides, and politely decline the roasted animal of the night. I knew when I went into it, trying to get my family to change anything would only make dinner hostile. So, I changed for them on those nights, and dinner was pleasant. Everything else was the same level of suck, but that never has anything to do with what I choose to eat.

    It is more about getting the family together than properly feeding everyone anyways. The feeding is just the excuse to force everyone to sit down together.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    ^^^^This

    I just couldn't refuse christmas eve sushi, it was a yearly splurge. But I could easily pass on the same prime rib (which I never liked) on christmas proper. Passing on turkey was easy too, same turkey every year. I made something vegan to bring, it escapes me what exactly I brought... maybe a desert? I know I splurged and ate vegetarian instead of vegan during family dinners. My first thanksgiving away from the family, I made a full vegan feast. It was great when I made all the rules

    I got razzed by the family for eating sushi but not beef, or a piece of pie but no ice cream. But just don't let it bother you. For special occasions, and in small amounts, it won't hurt you, is tasty, and makes the family happy to see you eat the food they slaved over. Keeping them guessing is good for them anyways, makes them more tolerant for future gatherings.

    Just like Asmodeus said, don't make a big deal about it, eat a nice selection of vegetarian sides, and politely decline the roasted animal of the night. I knew when I went into it, trying to get my family to change anything would only make dinner hostile. So, I changed for them on those nights, and dinner was pleasant. Everything else was the same level of suck, but that never has anything to do with what I choose to eat.

    It is more about getting the family together than properly feeding everyone anyways. The feeding is just the excuse to force everyone to sit down together.

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    Roasted tomato passion

    I was served roasted tomatoes with fresh mozzarella slices and garlic toast as an appetizer years ago in a small Atlanta bistro. I remarked to the owner how awesome it was and she invited me back into the kitchen to show me how to make them.

    I usually pick up 3 to 5 lbs of ripe tomatoes. My local produce stand almost always has a decent selection of reduced ripe tomatoes, when they don't I usually pick up roma/plum tomatoes. I use a mandolin slicer to keep the slices uniform (if the tomatoes are very soft you will want to slice with a knife). Preheat oven to 350 degrees, you will need a couple or three cookie sheet pans, go ahead and either spray with cooking oil or use olive oil to coat pans prior to placing sliced tomatoes in pans. Place tomatoes in pans, then I sprinkle with dried basil flakes, generic italian seasoning mix and lightly with garlic salt. Drizzle a bit more olive oil on tomatoes and place in oven. After about 15 minutes reduce heat to appx. 275/300 and begin to watch the tomatoes but be careful when opening oven as steam will pour out of oven and can burn your face. It helps if you turn them with a spatula near the halfway point. It is a process and takes a time or two to perfect but imo the end product is worth the time. I took pictures at 4 different points in the process. The concentrated flavor is far superior to sun dried tomatoes (which I like too) and they are great added to many things like salads, pizza or just eaten alone...yum.
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    ^^^^ What Atlanta bistro? Sounds like an awesome recipe that I'll have to try in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    ^^^^ What Atlanta bistro? Sounds like an awesome recipe that I'll have to try in the future.
    It was named after the owner "Zoe's". My sister lives in Atl and said the restaurant went out of business but their food was amazing. When you make the tomatoes your house will smell incredible. I'd like to know what you think if you give it a try.
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    Ooo reminds me of one of my favorite recipes! I mostly use it to showcase the amazing produce I grow in my garden. If you make this recipe, please make sure to use garden fresh tomatoes! Supermarket tomatoes are picked when still green then sprayed with chemicals to force them to turn red. It allows them to survive the shipping times, but they have no flavor! Fresh tomatoes in this recipe taste like garden fresh CANDY! Remember, tomatoes are a fruit! They should have flavor and a bit of sweetness.

    Take some of those garden fresh tomatoes and slice them thick. They don't need to be perfect, but aim for between 1/2" and 1". Lay those slices out on a foil lined sheet pan lightly sprayed with olive oil, then very lightly spray the slices. Top each slice with a nice leaf of fresh basil. Not too big of a piece, cut them down if needed. You want a piece of basil that is no bigger than the slice of tomato. Put a little nug of goat cheese on top of the basil. The amount varies depending on size of tomatoes, so aim for a piece that covers about 1/2 of the basil, dont smother it with cheese! Drizzle balsamic glaze VERY lightly over all slices. Bake for 5-10 minutes at 375F, or until cheese is brown and bubbly. Allow to cool for 5 minutes, and enjoy!

    Sorry about lack of measurements again . I just eye everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lulanok View Post
    yeah,I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.
    Actually, we taste like pork. All humans do. Our skin and organs very closely resemble that of pigs. Just think about how similar they look! In fact, for years, scientists have been using pigs to experiment with growing human organs, and have tested transplants from pigs into primates. We currently grow heart valves and insulin in them, and as soon as we can solve that pesky autoimmune rejection thing, we can grow any organ in them for human transplantation. When you eat pork, you are eating your cousin.


    But, that is a side tangent. Your line is old and has been used multiple times in this thread already. It stopped being cleaver in 501 BC. But thanks for the thread bump!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Actually, we taste like pork. All humans do. Our skin and organs very closely resemble that of pigs. Just think about how similar they look! In fact, for years, scientists have been using pigs to experiment with growing human organs, and have tested transplants from pigs into primates. We currently grow heart valves and insulin in them, and as soon as we can solve that pesky autoimmune rejection thing, we can grow any organ in them for human transplantation. When you eat pork, you are eating your cousin.


    But, that is a side tangent. Your line is old and has been used multiple times in this thread already. It stopped being cleaver in 501 BC. But thanks for the thread bump!


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    LOL, for that kind of matter, we all know that men are pigs. That women share the same similarities with pigs, somehow seems to fly under the radar


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    Smile chiming in..

    I just wanted to say that I've been lurking in this thread for a while now and I signed up so I could post. I know I should introduce my self in the general thread first but I just wanted to say that this thread is great and thanks for starting it! I will be checking back frequently.

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    I've been Vegan for 6 months. I had RLS for at least 15 years. I had never been able to figure out the cause and didn't want to be on medication for the rest of my life. I did a 5 day juice cleanse and my RLS was gone after 24hrs of starting on the juice. I have now been able to control the feelings in my legs completely thru my diet. We need to sleep to recover and if you can't sleep you can't recover.

    Two things I have found. After talking to a lot of people and doing a lot of research.

    First- Just like in the first page of this thread. Why do meat eaters feel under attack and have to defend them selves when I'm the one that has made the choice to not eat meat or dairy?

    Second- Is every one brainwashed by the media and USFDA to believe that meat and cheese is the only source of protien in the world?

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    The hardest thing for me to do in my practice is to get a patient to make a lifestyle change in regards to diet. I had a guy last month who is being ravaged by type II diabetes to the point where he is on the verge of losing two toes. He told me he would do anything to get healthy. I took two hours of my personal time to explain how he could start simply by eating a basic green smoothie prior to his meals. I figured this would be a nice easy place for him to start. I saw him two weeks later and asked him how it was going. He laughed and said "Doc, it was like licking my dogs butt and if that's what I have to do to get healthy they can have both of my feet!" So much of folks poor diet is wrapped up in emotion, addiction, and misinformation. Most people would be shocked to know how many medical professionals are completely ignorant concerning diet. So it's the perfect storm, people aren't getting the information from their healthcare providers because Docs are not being taught proper nutrition in school. I feel this is because of adverse pressure from pharmaceutical companies Peoples biology is being exploited by "food" companies who add addictive additives to their products. (Think MSG and Aspartame among others). Plus you have a government that caters to special interests (think Mansanto) who continue to push absurd dietary guidelines.
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azpoolguy View Post
    I've been Vegan for 6 months. I had RLS for at least 15 years. I had never been able to figure out the cause and didn't want to be on medication for the rest of my life. I did a 5 day juice cleanse and my RLS was gone after 24hrs of starting on the juice. I have now been able to control the feelings in my legs completely thru my diet. We need to sleep to recover and if you can't sleep you can't recover.

    Second- Is every one brainwashed by the media and USFDA to believe that meat and cheese is the only source of protien in the world?
    I'm doing the juice cleanse right now and experience the same thing, but I havent been riding as much either. Carbs and exercise seemed to be the biggest causes I could trace to restless legs at night, different diets and stretching helped a lot for me. RLS as a medical condition is BS in my opinion as are most modern conditions created by big pharma to sell you medication you dont need.

    People never seem to care about where you get your protein until you tell them that you're trying a vegetarian diet. You should tell those folks to ask some gorillas or elephants where they get their protein from . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    I'm doing the juice cleanse right now and experience the same thing, but I havent been riding as much either. Carbs and exercise seemed to be the biggest causes I could trace to restless legs at night, different diets and stretching helped a lot for me. RLS as a medical condition is BS in my opinion as are most modern conditions created by big pharma to sell you medication you dont need.

    People never seem to care about where you get your protein until you tell them that you're trying a vegetarian diet. You should tell those folks to ask some gorillas or elephants where they get their protein from . . .
    I think the biggest cause for my RLS was refined sugar. The cleaner my diet has become the easier it has become to trace the effects of food.

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    Been a vegetarian for almost a year and honestly can say that I feel better then I have in years (just turned 42). I've subscribed to this thread and appreciate the info I've gotten from here. I've not gone full vegan tho, still consume eggs and honey. Have cut out most dairy products, we have a lil cheese every now and again. Thanks again guys.

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    Oh by the way, to stay on topic

    Favorite vegan food = pizza

    We use home made cashew cheese there's a ton of how to's on making nut cheese. A quick google will yield some results, but as for other ingredients -

    Sun dried tomatoes
    Cubed boiled sweet potato
    Red capsicum
    Baby spinach
    Garlic
    Red onion
    And top it with a swirl of BBQ sauce
    And some basil and oregano

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    Trader Joes also has a fantastic vegan pizza. I personally don't like the fake cheeses (other than nut cheese sauces like what I have posted), and this pizza doesn't use it. It uses a nice balsamic glaze sauce and topped with fire roasted veggies.

    I believe Amy's makes one too, and it is a very similar recipe. It isn't quite as good as Trader Joes, however

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    Not sure if I can get Trader Joes here in Australia but that sounds awesome!


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    New mostly-vegetarian here, after seeing some documentaries such as Forks Over Knives, Dying To Have Known, and other docs that I don't remember the names of which tout the merits of healthy, sustainable, healing foods. Been at it since last fall, with the usual breaks at Tg, Christmas, and another family celebration last week. Bought a juicer and am juicing too. I have to say, I can't remember feeling this good. I'm old and have been sick for years, but I feel so good these days that I have ordered a MTB, which should arrive tomorrow. Won't be too long, some of y'all may see me on some Austin-area trails. (OK the easier ones - I may feel better now, but I doubt that I'll as easily get over being OLD.)

    I'm glad to have found this thread for all the tips I'm finding (Thanks Dion! and the rest of you who have provided so much useful info). My veggie diet needs some spicing up (while staying low sodium, low fat, etc.), and I'm getting some good ideas here.

    As for recipes, my neighbor gave us one for red lentil soup that is so good it makes me want to slap the s%@t outa a red wasp nest just to bring me back to my senses. I'll ask her if I can post it here; if so I'll sure do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    New mostly-vegetarian here, after seeing some documentaries such as Forks Over Knives, Dying To Have Known, and other docs that I don't remember the names of which tout the merits of healthy, sustainable, healing foods. Been at it since last fall, with the usual breaks at Tg, Christmas, and another family celebration last week. Bought a juicer and am juicing too. I have to say, I can't remember feeling this good. I'm old and have been sick for years, but I feel so good these days that I have ordered a MTB, which should arrive tomorrow. Won't be too long, some of y'all may see me on some Austin-area trails. (OK the easier ones - I may feel better now, but I doubt that I'll as easily get over being OLD.)

    I'm glad to have found this thread for all the tips I'm finding (Thanks Dion! and the rest of you who have provided so much useful info). My veggie diet needs some spicing up (while staying low sodium, low fat, etc.), and I'm getting some good ideas here.

    As for recipes, my neighbor gave us one for red lentil soup that is so good it makes me want to slap the s%@t outa a red wasp nest just to bring me back to my senses. I'll ask her if I can post it here; if so I'll sure do it.

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    That's awesome Pequin, good luck on your goals!
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    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orthoguy View Post
    That's awesome Pequin, good luck on your goals!
    Thanks, Orthoguy; I appreciate that.

    Got my bike today and went for a ride. Wow, it's been a looong time! I had just about forgotten how, though conventional wisdom has it that that's theoretically impossible.

    Scrolling back to post #366 I see you're my kind of doc. If my doc talked and acted like you do I'd probably still be going to him. Alas, he's basically a liaison between "big pharma," expensive specialists, and the patient though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCraft View Post
    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?
    To be honest I switched about 4 years ago and I haven't noticed any change at all. You could look at that one of two ways -

    a) my perforce hasn't magically increased since becoming a twig muncher (Except i never get sick any more.) but more importantly....

    b) it HASN'T DECREASED in any way either.

    Purely anecdotal but take it how you will.


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    OK, on topic here:

    Masoor Dal - Red Lentil Soup

    1 cup red lentils, rinsed
    4 cups water or vegetable stock
    1/4 tsp turmeric
    1 1/2 tsp cumin powder (comino)
    2 medium tomatoes, peeled & chopped (I used Ro-tel for the extra chili peppers, but fresh is always healthier than canned)
    2 tsp salt (I reduced this to 1 tsp, and it still tasted great)
    1 serrano pepper, chopped
    1/4 cup cilantro (fresh coriander leaves), chopped
    2 tsp lemon juice
    10 curry leaves (I chopped them slightly, but the recipe does not specify this)

    Fry curry leaves in a Tb. of oil until fragrant, about 1 minute
    Add water/stock and lentils; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer 20 mins.
    Add turmeric, cumin, and tomatoes
    Cook 10 mins. more
    Add salt, chilis, lemon juice, and cilantro, and mix well

    Goes great with rice, quinoa, or just by itself. This is the best tasting thing I've eaten since "going veggie," I believe.

    Note: Only thing is, the curry leaves might be hard to find, I have no idea. My neighbor provided them; I don't know where she got them. I'm guessing Whole Foods has them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCraft View Post
    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?
    Vice versa. A college experiment years ago. 54 non-jock students went vegan for six weeks. Everything we ate was supplied by the study. The majority saw a decrease in the battery of physical tests given. When meat was re-introduced into our diet test scores improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Vice versa. A college experiment years ago. 54 non-jock students went vegan for six weeks. Everything we ate was supplied by the study. The majority saw a decrease in the battery of physical tests given. When meat was re-introduced into our diet test scores improved.
    Interesting......6 weeks isn't a very long time though. It takes longer than that for most people to "de-tox" so to speak with a massive change in diet like going straight from standard omni diet to vegan there would be a fairly large shock on the body as it adjusts. Not really ideal conditions for testing - but I'm sure your not claiming otherwise. Do you know what the purpose of the study was, or who was conducting it by any chance? You've piqued my interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1kk0 View Post
    Interesting......6 weeks isn't a very long time though. It takes longer than that for most people to "de-tox" so to speak with a massive change in diet like going straight from standard omni diet to vegan there would be a fairly large shock on the body as it adjusts. Not really ideal conditions for testing - but I'm sure your not claiming otherwise. Do you know what the purpose of the study was, or who was conducting it by any chance? You've piqued my interest
    Complete BS science. Your body doesn't detox mostly for 7 years! I 3 weeks I felt better but it was years before I started really knowing some of the advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    Complete BS science. Your body doesn't detox mostly for 7 years! I 3 weeks I felt better but it was years before I started really knowing some of the advantages.
    Yeah, I didn't really go through any kind of de-tox, I feel great having been veg for 4+ years though.


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    One of the big things you'll notice when you change to a greener diet is the changes to your skin. It's been my experience that when somebody commits to a green diet they will notice improvements in their skin in three to six weeks. The skin is the largest organ in the body so it may be that it is a general representation of general systemic improvement.
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

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    I lost 150lbs in 2 years when I went vegetarian, then vegan. I gained back 50 over 3 years when I went back to omni, but it seems like the majority will never come back.

    I need to get back on track with it. I felt better than I had my entire life! I also had a lot of flexibility in my life that I don't have now. There certainly is a complexity that is added, mostly related to planning. The cost is really only upfront stocking the pantry (and I have kept the pantry stocked with healthy vegan essentials as an after affect, which is why I didn't gain everything back).

    If nothing else, even going partially vegan teaches extremely good eating habits that will make even omni diets healthier. For those who can't go full vegan, I would still recommend doing 3 days a week vegan, for the health benefits and for teaching overall healthy eating habits. I have gotten my best friend into this as well, who is about to finish her degree in nutrition. She is omni, and has never gone full vegan, but spends a lot of time learning and creating vegan dishes. She hopes to start a small business with menu planning and cooking with a strong foundation in vegan foods to promote healthy lifestyles. I support her 100% and share all my recipes with her, and vice versa

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    Going Vegan and losing 50 pounds made m a hellava lot faster on the bike especially on hills.
    Losing 50 pounds reduced the wear and tear on my ankles, knees and feet where my aches and pains from my job literally went away in six months.

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    I don't know how I never checked out this part of the forums before!

    Just wanted to chime in...
    I've been vegan for over 15 years and veg for even longer.

    If anyone needs any recipes or has questions then please drop me a line.

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    Soon after eliminating animal products 20 years ago, my riding and mental endurance improved a lot, flues became rare, and after a couple years flues only have occurred every 2 or 3 years lasting for a few days to a week of symptoms and no more seasonal flu-like allergy symptoms. As if I became 20 years younger in energy.

    Previously since early childhood I had suffered a lifetime of frequent flues and colds 3 or 4 times per year, each lasting 6 weeks or longer, and increasing seasonal flu like allergies.

    Vegan at home, I'll accept occasional dairy or egg when served by others. But I get a flu like feeling for a day when I eat a larger portion of dairy or egg, or if there is a little meat hidden in a serving.

    Vegan sure is best for me. And there's so many more flavor options.

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    Could we start a thread that strictly talks about vegan/veggie recipes for on/off the bike. I get it, I use to make fun of vegans when I ate meat.

    For jokes I have numerous outlets, I'm actually just trying to find recipes or suggestions for on the bike eating, recovery, etc.

    I'll add something.....I tried hemp protein and compared to what I use to eat (whey) it's TERRIBLE. How do people like rice protein?
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    I actually switched to hemp protein from soy once I figured out how to make it tasty

    The base I use is vanilla almond milk (the sweetened stuff) and a banana, blend with the hemp powder and ice to make a shake or just shake with ice (but the texture is funky). You can add more flavor and sweetness with a couple tablespoons of that Torani syrup for cocktails and coffee. I tried other fruit with limited success... the banana was all I found that actually tasted alright with the hemp.

    Play with the recipe a bit using the base. I like it enough that I drink it just like that.

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    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
    It's not that bad, in fact I have come to like the taste. With that being said it is different and I would mix it with juice or put it into a smoothie. The cool thing with spirulina is that it is 60-65%% protein and unlike whey it's also considered a super food. Give it a shot Pequin, how bad could it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
    Tried spirulina and hated it. Spent almost $20 on the bottle, kept it in the fridge for months before tossing it. Wanted to like it but just couldn't.

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    Vegetarian and Vegan Passion

    Sprulina is hard to take in a smoothie unless you doctor it up a lot. I take it in pill form....chlorella and sprulina mixed.

    I have come to really enjoy the hemp protein. All I add is 1 banana, ice water and some cinnamon and it taste fine to me. I mix 2 tbsp of hemp and 2 tbsp of pea protein for my shakes. My post training shakes consist of a lot more stuff.

    I tried some whey I had in the cabinet not too long ago (after being vegan for 8 months) and I couldn't stand it. It tasted too man made, artificial I guess. I have found the longer and healthier I eat, the worse my old foods taste to me.

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    I buy spirulina in tablet form and take 4 before rides. It and Wolfberries are the only health foods I've tried that actually make a difference in my energy level and how I feel.
    Didn't like trying to put it in capsules from powder form.
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    Adding more fuel to the fire. I have been vegetarian for over 12 years now. No meat, chicken fish etc. BUT I did eat a lot of cheese, milk, eggs and I love ice cream to no end! BUT I am going more "radical" in my diet now that I have spent some time researching diet.
    From what I have been reading we don't need that much protein in our diet. Our biggest problem is too much protein and protein affects our kidneys lowers our calcium levels and produces cancer.
    People are herbivores based upon their bodies, mouths, teeth and long intestinal track. Our long intestinal track filled with meat is not natural. It is designed to digest fruits and vegetables.
    People take calcium supplements but a new study has come out to say it is not effective. It appears that it is not effective because of the excess protein most people take in is stripping our bodies of calcium.
    The lowest lived people are those that consume a lot of meat like Eskimos. The longest lived people are those who are on a diet mostly of vegetables and fruit.
    Back in 1976 when queried one of the heads of a cancer institute said that diet probably contributed towards 50 percent of cancers. When asked why only 1% of his funding was going towards nutrition, he said I often wonder about that (or something to that effect) Too much money is going to be left on the table if they find a cure for cancer, which given our diet they will probably never do.
    Even given my imperfect diet to date, I hardly ever get sick unlike when I used to eat meat. I would get a cold that would leave me hacking for a month or more.
    I lost an eye to cancer around 30 years ago so I know what a bummer it is to get cancer.

    Here is a pretty good link on vegetarianism and vegan-ism including some recipes!
    This link I am giving you speaks about how doctors generally know little about nutrition and life expectancy of people with different diets.
    http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/...a.html#doctors

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    richwolf,

    there's a lot of emerging evidence that carbs accelerate aging, especially simple carbs or their dietary equivalent. One can't cut back on more than one macronutrient at a time. We can definitely be sure that there are lots of healthy plant fats out there that are not to be avoided.

    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved. It is a logical fallacy to argue that we must be best off eating the diet that we were eating during eons of evolution. This is exactly the argument made by the stone age diet followers who are definitely not vegetarian. It could be true, but b/c we evolved to eat it doesn't mean it's best for us by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    richwolf,

    there's a lot of emerging evidence that carbs accelerate aging, especially simple carbs or their dietary equivalent. One can't cut back on more than one macronutrient at a time. We can definitely be sure that there are lots of healthy plant fats out there that are not to be avoided.

    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved. It is a logical fallacy to argue that we must be best off eating the diet that we were eating during eons of evolution. This is exactly the argument made by the stone age diet followers who are definitely not vegetarian. It could be true, but b/c we evolved to eat it doesn't mean it's best for us by any means.
    PG,

    Interesting. Well I guess I shouldn't have said designed since that is a whole other can of worms!
    Since I am just in the first steps of doing diet research I would be interested in hearing more about this carb theory.

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    For those having issues with hemp protein, try hemp hearts instead. They have a nuttier flavor and more protein than the crushed hemp plant that makes up most powdered hemp protein. Texture is very similar to a smoothie with oatmeal ground into it or kinda like a strawberry smoothie with all of the little seeds in the mix. Not for fans of perfectly homogenous smoothies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved.
    your opinion is respected, but please don't present it as fact as it opens up a whole other can of worms for a host of reasons including but not limited to:


    • other people feel just as strongly about their beliefs/opinions as you do so it begs for reply/defense/confrontation.
    • some people may take offense to being bluntly told they're wrong just as you might were the situation reversed.
    • simply saying that our digestive tract is designed as herbivorous doesn't necessarily imply that one believes in intelligent design or evolution, so there's no need to start preaching/defending/ballyhooing the theory of evolution.
    • your statement is not fact as there is no concrete evidence to back it up.
    • it could be suggested and well argued that from the standpoints of both simple and complex science/research/logic (along with mathematical probability) that the intricately complex individual bodily systems (digestive, respiratory, lymphatic, renal, cardiovascular, etc.) combined with their requisite symbiotic nature actually suggest and give far more evidence to an intelligent design than random and/or gradual evolution.


    that being said, irrespective of the nature of design (I.D. or evolution) it is irrefutable that the human G.I. tract's functional construct design from lips to anus is herbivore.

    please don't view this as an invitation or attempt to debate the issue of I.D. vs. evolution. i'm not attacking your opinion nor should you feel the need to defend it. i'm merely pointing out that simply stating an opinion doesn't make it fact, and i'm suggesting it not be presented as such.

    as for carbs accelerating aging keep in mind that the body's functional design (irrespective of origin) is to use carbs as it's main energy source. however, all carbs are not created equal (pun intended) in that there are both "good" and "bad" carbs -- so i'd like to see that research as well. while there seems to be plenty of research over the last few decades that "bad" carbs have a detrimental impact on the human body i've yet to see any research that suggests "good" carbs (i.e. those from a plant based diet) that the body is designed to run on are simultaneously detrimental to it.
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