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    This is still funny to me years after I found it in some crusty punk show on a patch.

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    I really like vegetarian fare, but have found that it can be improved with some beef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I like kale chips. I made them once and it was heaven. Super prone to turning into a bunch of powdered kale but it's still tasty.

    When I get my apartment at the end of August I'm having a vegan biscuits and gravy cook-off. I have a banging idea for a recipe. It's on the hush for now just in case it sucks but I'll definitely post pictures when it happens.
    nutritional yeast gravy is the bomb! If that's not in your recipe, give it a whirl. waiting to hear bout your cook-off and the best veg gravy recipe.

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    Iím a 57-year-old divorced man that loves to ride mountain bikes and would like to change the food I eat. The problem is, Iím lazy when it comes to eating. Itís easy for me to just put a hamburger or steak on the barbecue and Iím done. Just about every thing I cook is on the barbecue. Itís just too hot here in the summer to cook in the kitchen.
    Another problem I have is that I only eat a lite breakfast before I ride and hours later dinner. I know thatís not good but the day just seems to slip by and I donít eat.
    I have a friend that is a Vegan but he doesnít have to prepare his meals. His wife stays at home and makes all the meals (lucky guy).
    My question is how do I get started on a whole grain Vegan diet with out spending hours in the kitchen every day?
    Please help! I know it would be the best thing for my over all health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
    Iím a 57-year-old divorced man that loves to ride mountain bikes and would like to change the food I eat. The problem is, Iím lazy when it comes to eating. Itís easy for me to just put a hamburger or steak on the barbecue and Iím done. Just about every thing I cook is on the barbecue. Itís just too hot here in the summer to cook in the kitchen.
    Another problem I have is that I only eat a lite breakfast before I ride and hours later dinner. I know thatís not good but the day just seems to slip by and I donít eat.
    I have a friend that is a Vegan but he doesnít have to prepare his meals. His wife stays at home and makes all the meals (lucky guy).
    My question is how do I get started on a whole grain Vegan diet with out spending hours in the kitchen every day?
    Please help! I know it would be the best thing for my over all health.


    Have a read of the book "Thrive" by Brendan Brazier. Many recipes and great nutrition info.

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    nutritional yeast gravy is the bomb! If that's not in your recipe, give it a whirl. waiting to hear bout your cook-off and the best veg gravy recipe.
    You eat live animals?! That's just mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chugachjed View Post
    You eat live animals?! That's just mean.
    are you referring to yeast? fungi

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    Quote Originally Posted by nohj View Post
    I respect all vegetarians but I keep on wondering how do they survive. so you guys are awesome! it's hard! =)
    To me, the hardest part is getting used to the radical change in diet. I can't really say as a "hardcore" vegetarian, but most of my diet consists of all-natural and organic foods, and I rarely eat meats except for fish and eggs...if you count them as meat .
    The good part is that many people are now switching to more healthful diets. The demand for healthy foods has skyrocketed, which helps bring the cost down. More people are visiting their local farmers' markets and natural food stores than ever before. Plus, nutritional research has opened up many job opportunities that will very likely continue to grow.
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    Ok, I will start with an easy one. This one is SO easy for meat eaters to pick up too, you won't know the difference!

    1 pkg. Morningstar Griller crumbles (found in the frozen section)
    1 can of Manwich sloppy Joe mix
    1 can fire roasted diced tomatoes
    1 onion, any color, diced
    2 bell peppers, any colors, sliced thinly
    olive oil

    Cook the crumbles according to package and set aside. Cook the onion and bell pepper on medium high heat in a tablespoon or so of olive oil until the onion begins to brown. Add tomatoes, sauce, and crumbles, reduce to a simmer, and cover. Allow to cook for 35-45 minutes, stirring occasionally. Season to taste with a scant amount of black pepper. Manwich tastes better than generic sloppy joe mix, so spend the extra 20 cents for the good stuff!

    You can serve this like a traditional sloppy joe, on a bun, with or without cheese. I personally love to make stuffed peppers with it. Just follow the recipe, then put the cooked sloppy joe inside of a hollowed out and cleaned bell pepper. Cover loosely with foil, and bake about 25-35 minutes, or until the outside of the pepper begins to brown and darken. It gets super sweet and fire-roasty! YUM.

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    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?
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    When I went vegan/ vegetarian, I had exception days. They were special events, just like you describe, where there were no other options, and I really wanted to be polite (plus I was freakin HUNGRY). Eat some grilled corn on the cob, baked beans (even if there is bacon in them, they will most likely be the healthiest thing that won't upset your stomach too bad) with cornbread, skip the mayo infused stuff for your own sake (it will make you feel like death), and grab a few ribs or a burger (go for chicken if they have it, your stomach will be less pissed at you). You will feel like **** afterwards, remember why you went vegan, and not be tempted again until you forget this lesson

    I sure as hell didn't hold it against myself, nor would I hold it against others--you shouldn't either. Go for it, but go easy on the meat so you don't feel *too* sick afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?
    personally, i would handle it by not eating the animal based stuff simply because (like you) i don't like how i feel after eating that stuff. we're only talking about one meal here, and it's not like you'll suffer deficit by missing a meal loaded with animal proteins, fats, eggs, dairy, and processed sugar. just the opposite, actually.

    given the choice between a bowl of rice and the items you referenced i'd stick with the bowl of rice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?


    I personally would go without the meat, packing your own food is not possible?

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    I have rice and some quinoa. It's a six hour race and I already eat like 3,000+ calories for a sedentary day. I just get kind of irked that the food price is included but there's no opt out option so I'm paying double for food. Bringing food from my house means there's less there for me when I get home on top of paying to not eat at the race. I think I'll just bring quinoa and rice with salt and pepper. My stomach doesn't really get mad at me for eating gross stuff as it's pretty resilient, I just feel bloated and sluggish, no pain or upsetting though. It's the joys of login in the South I guess. I swear I'm organizing my own race one day and the only food options are going to be Triangle Raw Foods Truck and Fiction Kitchen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have rice and some quinoa. It's a six hour race and I already eat like 3,000+ calories for a sedentary day. I just get kind of irked that the food price is included but there's no opt out option so I'm paying double for food. Bringing food from my house means there's less there for me when I get home on top of paying to not eat at the race. I think I'll just bring quinoa and rice with salt and pepper. My stomach doesn't really get mad at me for eating gross stuff as it's pretty resilient, I just feel bloated and sluggish, no pain or upsetting though. It's the joys of login in the South I guess. I swear I'm organizing my own race one day and the only food options are going to be Triangle Raw Foods Truck and Fiction Kitchen.
    I'd find a middle ground and take some food and then eat the best of the worst that they have to offer. If you can't spare much then maybe set aside a little each meal for the rest of the week so you don't totally miss too many calories but you can stock up enough to cover the majority of the meal? I was pleasantly surprised that at the last race they had black bean veggie burgers as an option, hopefully you will find the options are better than you fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
    Iím a 57-year-old divorced man that loves to ride mountain bikes and would like to change the food I eat. The problem is, Iím lazy when it comes to eating. Itís easy for me to just put a hamburger or steak on the barbecue and Iím done. Just about every thing I cook is on the barbecue. Itís just too hot here in the summer to cook in the kitchen.
    Another problem I have is that I only eat a lite breakfast before I ride and hours later dinner. I know thatís not good but the day just seems to slip by and I donít eat.
    I have a friend that is a Vegan but he doesnít have to prepare his meals. His wife stays at home and makes all the meals (lucky guy).
    My question is how do I get started on a whole grain Vegan diet with out spending hours in the kitchen every day?
    Please help! I know it would be the best thing for my over all health.
    In my opinion you need to take it in small steps. Try to find a few things that you can make and then add them as sides to your meat meals. After you accumulate some recipes then start changing the ratio, bring the meat portions down and increase the veggie stuff. It's easy to eat raw vegetables. Get some carrots, broccoli, celery and eat it raw. Add some nut butter to the celery. Buy some pre-made hummus and dip things in it. Get a programmable rice cooker and cook rice, quinoa and oatmeal. Easy. Add some raw nuts to the oatmeal. Eat fruit. Apples, bananas, blueberries. All raw, no prep besides cleaning. Grill some veggies with your meat. Make the meat smaller every time. Grill peppers, onions, asparagus, mushrooms. Just clean, cut and throw on the grill. A bit of seasoning. Seasoning is important. I love green chiles and hot things, so indulge on that if you like it. There are so, so many options. Also rice, quinoa keeps nicely for a day or so in the fridge and tastes pretty good reheated. Just start adding some good things and reducing the bad, and after a while you will have a whole bunch of options to replace the meat. I love to eat, and being vegetarian has been so fun because there are so many things to eat. And, even if you don't get to be fully vegetarian or vegan, you will be eating better and that is what matters most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I'd find a middle ground and take some food and then eat the best of the worst that they have to offer. If you can't spare much then maybe set aside a little each meal for the rest of the week so you don't totally miss too many calories but you can stock up enough to cover the majority of the meal? I was pleasantly surprised that at the last race they had black bean veggie burgers as an option, hopefully you will find the options are better than you fear.
    I'm not sure where you're from but trust me on this one, it's most likely worst than I fear. As a general rule we use and consume animals at probably a 50% faster rate than all of the universe combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?
    There is no reason for you to eat any meat if you don't like it. Perhaps there will be vegetables and fruit that you will find tolerable, or maybe even cornbread. Bring your own food. It's really not that expensive. Yes, you are getting shafted on subsidizing the expensive meat food of others. Many things in life are like this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I'm not sure where you're from but trust me on this one, it's most likely worst than I fear. As a general rule we use and consume animals at probably a 50% faster rate than all of the universe combined.
    I'm in Texas, not the best, but yes I can understand that there are worse places in regards to veg food progressiveness. Good luck, I hope you have a good race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?

    I suggest moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    I suggest moving.
    I was gonna suggest he get a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVR View Post
    I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.
    Vegetarians taste better.
    Vegans taste a little gamey.

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    I've been vegetarian for about five years, and at 42 I'm in the best shape of my life. I find it very easy to maintain this diet, I eat a little dairy, just some nice cheese once in a while, some organic whole milk in my morning cup of tea. Traveling in Europe is sometimes a little challenging, I remember Vienna being a little tough. ( Bread and cheese for 4 days is a little tough on the system) . I'm happy with a big plate of vegetables, some need meat replacement products. Here's a chili recipe that everyone I make it for enjoys, meat eaters included:
    Wick Fowler's 2 alarm chili mix or Carrol Shelby's mix
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    2 cans diced tomatoes with green chilies
    1 cup frozen corn (optional)
    Chop up the onion and saute it down with some olive oil in a big 4.5 quart saucepan. drain all the beans and diced tomatoes. Add all the ingredients , following the directions on the chili mix. Stir it up and cook on about medium low, covered, for 45 minutes or so stirring occasionally. Add a little more water if it's too thick. I let it simmer on low for a while longer if i have time. I find that a very small amount of the cayenne goes a long way, only add a tiny bit, you can add more later if you want. This chili always tastes better the next day, and this amount feed two of us for a few days. This recipe is not set in stone, the beans, diced tomatoes and corn are all optional, or can be substituted with something else.
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    Wow kjlued, you're such an awesome, mature, grown adult-type person. I've never seen those pictures before, thank you so much for sharing them. You're brilliant. I mean, it's such a great idea to be reactionary to a choice in diet that people put a lot of thought into and time researching why and how to stop eating/eat less meat and you, I'm sure, spent as much or more time looking through hundreds of thousand of pictures of animal carcasses cooked up for consumption until you found the exact right ones to post in this thread. Because, none of us eating meat, there's nothing more offensive to our sensibilities than animals we used to eat and see all the time being eaten in person. Those pictures though, whoo man! That's another whole level of seeing we just can't take. So, thanks a million for posting some very relevant and awesome pictures to our thread where we share recipes and ideas for meals. It really helps us out.
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    Vegan for a year now. I'm kind of lazy when it comes to cooking but the girlfriend makes us all kinds of tasty vegan meals. Tonight she made "sweet potato minestrone." It's just water, diced tomatoes, diced sweet potatoes, diced onion, celery, carrots, northern beans,sveggies broth,salt & pepper, oregano and spinach. Sometimes she'll put in a fake sausage which is pretty tasty. You fry up the carrots, celery and onion in a soup pot, add the liquids, potatoes and remaining ingredients and let it simmer for 30 minutes or so. Toss the spinach in at the end. She also makes corn bread by replacing the egg with applesauce and the milk with almond milk. Delicious!

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    kjlued, what a twit.

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    I've made this on a couple times , and it's pretty good.I use Tofurkey beer brats. Recipe from Vegetarian times magazine.
    Beer Brats

    Serves 8

    Once these brats have simmered in the onion-beer liquid, they can be served as-is or grilled. Top with your favorite fixings

    2 Tbs. vegetable oil
    2 small onions, halved and thinly sliced (2 cups)
    3 tsp. sugar, divided
    1 pt. brown ale
    3/4 tsp. salt
    1/4 tsp. ground black pepper
    8 vegetarian beer brats or sausages
    8 hot dog buns

    1 | Heat oil in large saucepan over medium-high heat. Add onions, and sautť 3 to 5 minutes, or until they soften and begin to brown. Sprinkle with 1 tsp. sugar, and sautť 3 minutes more, or until onions are golden brown.

    2 | Stir in 1 cup brown ale, scraping up browned bits from bottom of pan. Stir in remaining 1 cup brown ale, remaining 2 tsp. sugar, salt, and pepper, and 2 cups water. Reduce heat to medium-low, and simmer 20 minutes, or until onions are very tender and translucent.

    3 | Prick sausages with fork. Add to beer mixture, and simmer 10 minutes. Serve immediately, or cool in liquid for more flavor, then reheat or grill. Serve welldrained brats in buns, each topped with 2 Tbs. onions, if desired.

    PER SERVING (1 BRAT, BUN, AND 2 TBS. ONIONS) 395 cal; 32 g prot; 15 g total fat (2 g sat fat); 35 g carb; 0 mg chol; 841 mg sod; 6 g fiber; 5 g sugars
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Wow kjlued, you're such an awesome, mature, grown adult-type person. I've never seen those pictures before, thank you so much for sharing them. You're brilliant. I mean, it's such a great idea to be reactionary to a choice in diet that people put a lot of thought into and time researching why and how to stop eating/eat less meat and you, I'm sure, spent as much or more time looking through hundreds of thousand of pictures of animal carcasses cooked up for consumption until you found the exact right ones to post in this thread. Because, none of us eating meat, there's nothing more offensive to our sensibilities than animals we used to eat and see all the time being eaten in person. Those pictures though, whoo man! That's another whole level of seeing we just can't take. So, thanks a million for posting some very relevant and awesome pictures to our thread where we share recipes and ideas for meals. It really helps us out.
    Your welcome

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    There's a "carnivorous passion" thread where you can share your love of delicious meat products, seared to perfection. Rich in protein and saturated fatty acids, with a complete amino acid profile. Don't troll the vegans here, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    There's a "carnivorous passion" thread where you can share your love of delicious meat products, seared to perfection. Rich in protein and saturated fatty acids, with a complete amino acid profile. Don't troll the vegans here, LOL.
    LOL, no kidding, all that denying themselves of delicious seared flesh makes some of them a little testy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    LOL, no kidding, all that denying themselves of delicious seared flesh makes some of them a little testy.
    actually we're pretty laid back until something in a douchey carnivore's creutzfeldt-jakob addled brain prompts them to troll our threads. perhaps you've noticed a profound lack of vegan trolling in your "dead animal carcass passion" threads???

    be a swell guy and return the favor, eh?
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    I am sorry guys, I didn't mean to piss you all off.
    I guess my love for yummy seared flesh sometimes get the best of me.
    I will try not troll your thread anymore.

    Here is a corny joke to maybe make it all better

    Q: What do vegan zombies eat?

    A: Graiinnnzzzz

    Ok guys, time for me to go clog some arteries.

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    The concept of rooftop gardens in urban centres continues to grow. Singlesprocket and I visited the The Big Carrot (a flagship living roof garden and urban agriculture space in the heart of Toronto) this summer.

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    So, holidays are nearly upon us!

    Ill be experimenting with some vegan gravy around t-day and trying to get some awesome dishes the non vegetarian family will enjoy.

    What do the rest of you guys have going on for these often traditionally family oriented days ahead?

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    Vegan gravy! That reminds me, I was supposed to make some with some vegan biscuits when I moved into my apartment. I'll keep it on my radar.

    As for the holidays, I got nothing. I think Thanksgiving and Christmas I am going to spend with a friend(s?) from France. She'll be here with nothing to do and my mom has plans and I think my brother is spending it with his girls family.
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    Vegan gravy is tough to make IMO, I find the kind that comes with the Tofurkey is excellent.
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    ^^i got a plan, if it works it will be awesome, so I hope it works.
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    Yep, its gonna be trickey... But doable I think. I have some time to practice at least.

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    The absolutely best way to make the best vegan sauces is to start with a roux for the base. Always, ALWAYS start with a roux! That is how you get the creaminess that animal fat provides without the animal fat!

    I use a couple different combos for this. If you are just vegetarian, use butter and flour, either chickpea flour or a whole wheat fine grind flour. If vegan, I really like coconut oil and chickpea flour. Look up how to make a roux on youtube if you haven't done it before, and practice! Once you get it down, it is simple. But you will mess up the first couple times. Luckily, they are fast and cost almost nothing to make. But the results are spectacular!

    Now, as for gravy recipes... I have to think about that. I have made them, but I am a professional cook, so we don't really use recipes. I just throw stuff in a pot until what I want comes out Ok, let me try to translate one here for you...

    Basically, find any recipe that sounds good (and make sure it starts with a ROUX!), and substitute pan drippings/ chicken stock with veggie stock. If you REALLY want to blow away the family, make your own veggie stock from all your veggie tips and ends. Save them for the next couple of weeks in a freezer bag. If this is too much, just follow a recipe online and buy the veggies. Just make sure that you at least have some onion, celery, garlic, carrots, peppercorns, and a few bay leaves in the mix. The more variety you add on top of those, the yummier it is! I like to make a big pot, portion it out in ziplock bags, and freeze them for use any time. Use it in any recipe instead of water (rice, grains, sauces, everything!) to level up your vegan/ vegetarian cooking


    So, here is the basic idea for how I make my gravy:
    Frying pan on medium heat, add 2 tbsp of whatever oil or fat you would like to use for the roux (I like coconut oil, vegan margarine is also highly recommended). Add about 1/4 cup finely diced onion, and cook a couple of minutes. If you would like a mushroom gravy, add some small diced mushrooms at this point, about 1/2 cup, and some more oil. Add 2 cloves of minced garlic, adding more oil as needed. You want them to be swimming in it a bit. This is gravy, after all! Once the garlic is almost done, drain that yummy flavored oil you just made into a saucepan. It's ok if you get a few chunks of garlic or veggies in the mix! Now, this is my secret; with the frying pan still on medium heat with the veggies in the pan, add about 1/3 cup white wine to deglaze them. Only cook for a minute or two, just until the wine cooks down a bit and all the oil from the sides is mixed in. Turn off the heat and set aside.

    Now, back to that saucepan with the flavored oil. Turn it on low-medium heat, whatever you have found you need it set to for your roux. Add some more oil to the saucepan, enough so there is about 1/2 cup of oil in there. Add 1/2 cup flour and make your roux. Once that is complete, add about 2 cups of veggie stock, more as needed. Whisk over low-medium heat until there are no more lumps. Add the veggies and wine you just cooked, and reduce to a simmer. Add salt, pepper, and some sage, to taste. Allow to simmer for about 10 minutes, or until it gets all nice and creamy. If it isn't getting creamy enough for you, add cornstarch, about 1 tsp whisked together with a couple tablespoons of COLD water (must be COLD or you will make your gorgeous gravy lumpy!) and stir in to the gravy. Repeat as needed to get more creamy... but I tend to find that this isn't needed!

    That is basic veggie/ mushroom gravy. If there is a certain theme or flavor you want, let me know! (cranberry gravy, citrus gravy, white gravy, etc.) If there is a certain non vegan recipe that sounds good, I can help you adapt it to be vegan. That is basically how I make my recipes, just adapting regular ones

    I have found there are very few limitations to vegan cooking. You just need to be smart and creative, and the results are just as amazing as non vegan!

    Good luck, have fun, and make the family proud

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    Thanks!
    Ive got some experimenting to do now based on that sort of outline there.

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    Anybody have some good seitan recipes to share? I'm an accidental vegetarian most days but eat meat at a few meals throughout the week.

    Seitan has always been my favorite, normally just use the recipes from Veganomicon and put them in the steamer to cook instead of boiling in broth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Anybody have some good seitan recipes to share? I'm an accidental vegetarian most days but eat meat at a few meals throughout the week.

    Seitan has always been my favorite, normally just use the recipes from Veganomicon and put them in the steamer to cook instead of boiling in broth.

    Hi GT Here is an earlier post for seitan

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    I will give you guys another hint while we on are the topic of sauces;

    Bťchamel sauce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bechamel sauce. Make it with vegan margarine and soy milk. It is a creamy modification of roux, and is how you will make the BEST vegan Alfredo and Cheese sauces you will ever have Protip number two; blend the soy milk with some raw cashews before adding it into the sauce. It takes the creaminess up a notch, and adds that amazing 'bite' kind of texture and the hint of nuttiness that cream and cheese have and most vegan substitutions are missing. Nutritional yeast is a must, which is a trick most vegans already know about. And, try some yellow mustard in the sauce to give it a 'sharp' cheddar cheese flavor. I also like some blended pimentos to give it the cheddar cheese color and some very nice, mild flavor. And of course, never be afraid of the spices.

    I love to experiment with sauces because they are inexpensive, very versatile and easy to play with, and can make or break a dish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    No, but it serves as an example that vegans are pretty much dependent on the supermarket being around the corner.

    There is a reason why there are no vegan or even vegetarian civilizations and cultures found in the world, except our First World Civilization which can just pop by local supermarket and buy some food supplements.

    On the other hand, I really ADMIRE vegan folks who live on farms and can eat what they grow with their own hands.
    Says the man chomping on bacon hotpockets in his Mum's basement.

    "Id be vegan but I don't have a farm so I just eat meat from the supermarket vs killing cats, cows, dogs, rats and lambs like other meat eaters do...'.

    face palm.

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    Does any of the 'you won't get enough protein if you are a vegan' naysayers think they have more Strava KOM's against elite riders than me? http://app.strava.com/dashboard

    Check it out.

    How can I bang out such high wattage and VAM if my diet is 'protein deficient'. How come so many riders eat meat and take whey protein? If you are getting enough protein how come you need to take whey protein? Interesting eh?

    Not hat'n.
    Just say'n..

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    Durian, you're poking bears. Old ones at that. And while bears are generally stupid and know next to nothing about a healthy vegan diet, it's more stupid to poke them as it only gets them fired up and ready to launch an idiotic picture flame-war of moronic proportions. So, in an effort to keep stupidity to a minimum, let's not get all "high and mighty vegan" , yeah?

    Pro-tip: I'm using bears as a metaphor for posts/posters that like to troll our thread with meat stupidity.
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    Had a nice 4 + hour ride today, earned my Tofurkey. Holidays are always a tough time for us vegetarians, with family dinners and such. Our plan is to get everyone to go to a restaurant where there is some vegetarian options, that way we don't have to impose on someone to make special dishes or bring our own food. What do you guys do?
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    During the holidays I become even more reclusive and stay home and refuse to answer my phone. I hate holidays like I'm the Grinch.
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    ^^ Me too. We usually plan our vacation abroad during the holidays so we can get the hell out of Dodge. I guess I'm a Grinch too. Doesn't help that they start ramming Xmas up your azz right after Halloween these days.
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