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    This is still funny to me years after I found it in some crusty punk show on a patch.

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    I really like vegetarian fare, but have found that it can be improved with some beef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I like kale chips. I made them once and it was heaven. Super prone to turning into a bunch of powdered kale but it's still tasty.

    When I get my apartment at the end of August I'm having a vegan biscuits and gravy cook-off. I have a banging idea for a recipe. It's on the hush for now just in case it sucks but I'll definitely post pictures when it happens.
    nutritional yeast gravy is the bomb! If that's not in your recipe, give it a whirl. waiting to hear bout your cook-off and the best veg gravy recipe.

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    I’m a 57-year-old divorced man that loves to ride mountain bikes and would like to change the food I eat. The problem is, I’m lazy when it comes to eating. It’s easy for me to just put a hamburger or steak on the barbecue and I’m done. Just about every thing I cook is on the barbecue. It’s just too hot here in the summer to cook in the kitchen.
    Another problem I have is that I only eat a lite breakfast before I ride and hours later dinner. I know that’s not good but the day just seems to slip by and I don’t eat.
    I have a friend that is a Vegan but he doesn’t have to prepare his meals. His wife stays at home and makes all the meals (lucky guy).
    My question is how do I get started on a whole grain Vegan diet with out spending hours in the kitchen every day?
    Please help! I know it would be the best thing for my over all health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
    I’m a 57-year-old divorced man that loves to ride mountain bikes and would like to change the food I eat. The problem is, I’m lazy when it comes to eating. It’s easy for me to just put a hamburger or steak on the barbecue and I’m done. Just about every thing I cook is on the barbecue. It’s just too hot here in the summer to cook in the kitchen.
    Another problem I have is that I only eat a lite breakfast before I ride and hours later dinner. I know that’s not good but the day just seems to slip by and I don’t eat.
    I have a friend that is a Vegan but he doesn’t have to prepare his meals. His wife stays at home and makes all the meals (lucky guy).
    My question is how do I get started on a whole grain Vegan diet with out spending hours in the kitchen every day?
    Please help! I know it would be the best thing for my over all health.


    Have a read of the book "Thrive" by Brendan Brazier. Many recipes and great nutrition info.

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    nutritional yeast gravy is the bomb! If that's not in your recipe, give it a whirl. waiting to hear bout your cook-off and the best veg gravy recipe.
    You eat live animals?! That's just mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chugachjed View Post
    You eat live animals?! That's just mean.
    are you referring to yeast? fungi

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    Quote Originally Posted by nohj View Post
    I respect all vegetarians but I keep on wondering how do they survive. so you guys are awesome! it's hard! =)
    To me, the hardest part is getting used to the radical change in diet. I can't really say as a "hardcore" vegetarian, but most of my diet consists of all-natural and organic foods, and I rarely eat meats except for fish and eggs...if you count them as meat .
    The good part is that many people are now switching to more healthful diets. The demand for healthy foods has skyrocketed, which helps bring the cost down. More people are visiting their local farmers' markets and natural food stores than ever before. Plus, nutritional research has opened up many job opportunities that will very likely continue to grow.
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    Ok, I will start with an easy one. This one is SO easy for meat eaters to pick up too, you won't know the difference!

    1 pkg. Morningstar Griller crumbles (found in the frozen section)
    1 can of Manwich sloppy Joe mix
    1 can fire roasted diced tomatoes
    1 onion, any color, diced
    2 bell peppers, any colors, sliced thinly
    olive oil

    Cook the crumbles according to package and set aside. Cook the onion and bell pepper on medium high heat in a tablespoon or so of olive oil until the onion begins to brown. Add tomatoes, sauce, and crumbles, reduce to a simmer, and cover. Allow to cook for 35-45 minutes, stirring occasionally. Season to taste with a scant amount of black pepper. Manwich tastes better than generic sloppy joe mix, so spend the extra 20 cents for the good stuff!

    You can serve this like a traditional sloppy joe, on a bun, with or without cheese. I personally love to make stuffed peppers with it. Just follow the recipe, then put the cooked sloppy joe inside of a hollowed out and cleaned bell pepper. Cover loosely with foil, and bake about 25-35 minutes, or until the outside of the pepper begins to brown and darken. It gets super sweet and fire-roasty! YUM.

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    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?
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    When I went vegan/ vegetarian, I had exception days. They were special events, just like you describe, where there were no other options, and I really wanted to be polite (plus I was freakin HUNGRY). Eat some grilled corn on the cob, baked beans (even if there is bacon in them, they will most likely be the healthiest thing that won't upset your stomach too bad) with cornbread, skip the mayo infused stuff for your own sake (it will make you feel like death), and grab a few ribs or a burger (go for chicken if they have it, your stomach will be less pissed at you). You will feel like **** afterwards, remember why you went vegan, and not be tempted again until you forget this lesson

    I sure as hell didn't hold it against myself, nor would I hold it against others--you shouldn't either. Go for it, but go easy on the meat so you don't feel *too* sick afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?
    personally, i would handle it by not eating the animal based stuff simply because (like you) i don't like how i feel after eating that stuff. we're only talking about one meal here, and it's not like you'll suffer deficit by missing a meal loaded with animal proteins, fats, eggs, dairy, and processed sugar. just the opposite, actually.

    given the choice between a bowl of rice and the items you referenced i'd stick with the bowl of rice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?


    I personally would go without the meat, packing your own food is not possible?

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    I have rice and some quinoa. It's a six hour race and I already eat like 3,000+ calories for a sedentary day. I just get kind of irked that the food price is included but there's no opt out option so I'm paying double for food. Bringing food from my house means there's less there for me when I get home on top of paying to not eat at the race. I think I'll just bring quinoa and rice with salt and pepper. My stomach doesn't really get mad at me for eating gross stuff as it's pretty resilient, I just feel bloated and sluggish, no pain or upsetting though. It's the joys of login in the South I guess. I swear I'm organizing my own race one day and the only food options are going to be Triangle Raw Foods Truck and Fiction Kitchen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have rice and some quinoa. It's a six hour race and I already eat like 3,000+ calories for a sedentary day. I just get kind of irked that the food price is included but there's no opt out option so I'm paying double for food. Bringing food from my house means there's less there for me when I get home on top of paying to not eat at the race. I think I'll just bring quinoa and rice with salt and pepper. My stomach doesn't really get mad at me for eating gross stuff as it's pretty resilient, I just feel bloated and sluggish, no pain or upsetting though. It's the joys of login in the South I guess. I swear I'm organizing my own race one day and the only food options are going to be Triangle Raw Foods Truck and Fiction Kitchen.
    I'd find a middle ground and take some food and then eat the best of the worst that they have to offer. If you can't spare much then maybe set aside a little each meal for the rest of the week so you don't totally miss too many calories but you can stock up enough to cover the majority of the meal? I was pleasantly surprised that at the last race they had black bean veggie burgers as an option, hopefully you will find the options are better than you fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
    I’m a 57-year-old divorced man that loves to ride mountain bikes and would like to change the food I eat. The problem is, I’m lazy when it comes to eating. It’s easy for me to just put a hamburger or steak on the barbecue and I’m done. Just about every thing I cook is on the barbecue. It’s just too hot here in the summer to cook in the kitchen.
    Another problem I have is that I only eat a lite breakfast before I ride and hours later dinner. I know that’s not good but the day just seems to slip by and I don’t eat.
    I have a friend that is a Vegan but he doesn’t have to prepare his meals. His wife stays at home and makes all the meals (lucky guy).
    My question is how do I get started on a whole grain Vegan diet with out spending hours in the kitchen every day?
    Please help! I know it would be the best thing for my over all health.
    In my opinion you need to take it in small steps. Try to find a few things that you can make and then add them as sides to your meat meals. After you accumulate some recipes then start changing the ratio, bring the meat portions down and increase the veggie stuff. It's easy to eat raw vegetables. Get some carrots, broccoli, celery and eat it raw. Add some nut butter to the celery. Buy some pre-made hummus and dip things in it. Get a programmable rice cooker and cook rice, quinoa and oatmeal. Easy. Add some raw nuts to the oatmeal. Eat fruit. Apples, bananas, blueberries. All raw, no prep besides cleaning. Grill some veggies with your meat. Make the meat smaller every time. Grill peppers, onions, asparagus, mushrooms. Just clean, cut and throw on the grill. A bit of seasoning. Seasoning is important. I love green chiles and hot things, so indulge on that if you like it. There are so, so many options. Also rice, quinoa keeps nicely for a day or so in the fridge and tastes pretty good reheated. Just start adding some good things and reducing the bad, and after a while you will have a whole bunch of options to replace the meat. I love to eat, and being vegetarian has been so fun because there are so many things to eat. And, even if you don't get to be fully vegetarian or vegan, you will be eating better and that is what matters most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I'd find a middle ground and take some food and then eat the best of the worst that they have to offer. If you can't spare much then maybe set aside a little each meal for the rest of the week so you don't totally miss too many calories but you can stock up enough to cover the majority of the meal? I was pleasantly surprised that at the last race they had black bean veggie burgers as an option, hopefully you will find the options are better than you fear.
    I'm not sure where you're from but trust me on this one, it's most likely worst than I fear. As a general rule we use and consume animals at probably a 50% faster rate than all of the universe combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?
    There is no reason for you to eat any meat if you don't like it. Perhaps there will be vegetables and fruit that you will find tolerable, or maybe even cornbread. Bring your own food. It's really not that expensive. Yes, you are getting shafted on subsidizing the expensive meat food of others. Many things in life are like this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I'm not sure where you're from but trust me on this one, it's most likely worst than I fear. As a general rule we use and consume animals at probably a 50% faster rate than all of the universe combined.
    I'm in Texas, not the best, but yes I can understand that there are worse places in regards to veg food progressiveness. Good luck, I hope you have a good race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I have a legit question to ask you all. As a preemptive defensive--yeah, maybe it's unnecessary--please, meat-eaters keep the snark and guffaw to yourselves. It's actually a concern for me. Also, Durianrider, keep your opinion yours. I don't give a **** what you think.

    So there's a race this weekend and I live in the South. As such, there will be no vegan food at all. The price for the race includes food and no they don't refund any monies if you're not eating, I tried; every race. Anyway, the food is BBQ and probably mayonnaise slathered sides (macaroni salad, potato salad, probably veggies cooked in lard, etc.). So my question is: do I just suck it up and eat the food? I'm not opposed to eating meat that I know where it's from and the farmer and how it was raised but chances are I know none of this about the meat being served here. It's probably some factory farmed, drug and hormone injected sick decrepit cow/pig. I don't eat meat often (maybe once a year, maybe, and even then it's only like two sausage links) and don't really like the way a lot of it makes me feel all bloated and sluggish. Since I can't afford to pay for food twice--race provided and store bought vegan--should I just not eat? I only have rice at home since I'm broke. Do I just stick to the mayo crusted side dishes and eschew the meat? How would you all handle this?

    I suggest moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    I suggest moving.
    I was gonna suggest he get a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVR View Post
    I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.
    Vegetarians taste better.
    Vegans taste a little gamey.

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    I've been vegetarian for about five years, and at 42 I'm in the best shape of my life. I find it very easy to maintain this diet, I eat a little dairy, just some nice cheese once in a while, some organic whole milk in my morning cup of tea. Traveling in Europe is sometimes a little challenging, I remember Vienna being a little tough. ( Bread and cheese for 4 days is a little tough on the system) . I'm happy with a big plate of vegetables, some need meat replacement products. Here's a chili recipe that everyone I make it for enjoys, meat eaters included:
    Wick Fowler's 2 alarm chili mix or Carrol Shelby's mix
    1 bag Morning Star crumbles
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    1 can pinto beans
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    2 cans diced tomatoes with green chilies
    1 cup frozen corn (optional)
    Chop up the onion and saute it down with some olive oil in a big 4.5 quart saucepan. drain all the beans and diced tomatoes. Add all the ingredients , following the directions on the chili mix. Stir it up and cook on about medium low, covered, for 45 minutes or so stirring occasionally. Add a little more water if it's too thick. I let it simmer on low for a while longer if i have time. I find that a very small amount of the cayenne goes a long way, only add a tiny bit, you can add more later if you want. This chili always tastes better the next day, and this amount feed two of us for a few days. This recipe is not set in stone, the beans, diced tomatoes and corn are all optional, or can be substituted with something else.
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    Wow kjlued, you're such an awesome, mature, grown adult-type person. I've never seen those pictures before, thank you so much for sharing them. You're brilliant. I mean, it's such a great idea to be reactionary to a choice in diet that people put a lot of thought into and time researching why and how to stop eating/eat less meat and you, I'm sure, spent as much or more time looking through hundreds of thousand of pictures of animal carcasses cooked up for consumption until you found the exact right ones to post in this thread. Because, none of us eating meat, there's nothing more offensive to our sensibilities than animals we used to eat and see all the time being eaten in person. Those pictures though, whoo man! That's another whole level of seeing we just can't take. So, thanks a million for posting some very relevant and awesome pictures to our thread where we share recipes and ideas for meals. It really helps us out.
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    Vegan for a year now. I'm kind of lazy when it comes to cooking but the girlfriend makes us all kinds of tasty vegan meals. Tonight she made "sweet potato minestrone." It's just water, diced tomatoes, diced sweet potatoes, diced onion, celery, carrots, northern beans,sveggies broth,salt & pepper, oregano and spinach. Sometimes she'll put in a fake sausage which is pretty tasty. You fry up the carrots, celery and onion in a soup pot, add the liquids, potatoes and remaining ingredients and let it simmer for 30 minutes or so. Toss the spinach in at the end. She also makes corn bread by replacing the egg with applesauce and the milk with almond milk. Delicious!

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    kjlued, what a twit.

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    I've made this on a couple times , and it's pretty good.I use Tofurkey beer brats. Recipe from Vegetarian times magazine.
    Beer Brats

    Serves 8

    Once these brats have simmered in the onion-beer liquid, they can be served as-is or grilled. Top with your favorite fixings

    2 Tbs. vegetable oil
    2 small onions, halved and thinly sliced (2 cups)
    3 tsp. sugar, divided
    1 pt. brown ale
    3/4 tsp. salt
    1/4 tsp. ground black pepper
    8 vegetarian beer brats or sausages
    8 hot dog buns

    1 | Heat oil in large saucepan over medium-high heat. Add onions, and sauté 3 to 5 minutes, or until they soften and begin to brown. Sprinkle with 1 tsp. sugar, and sauté 3 minutes more, or until onions are golden brown.

    2 | Stir in 1 cup brown ale, scraping up browned bits from bottom of pan. Stir in remaining 1 cup brown ale, remaining 2 tsp. sugar, salt, and pepper, and 2 cups water. Reduce heat to medium-low, and simmer 20 minutes, or until onions are very tender and translucent.

    3 | Prick sausages with fork. Add to beer mixture, and simmer 10 minutes. Serve immediately, or cool in liquid for more flavor, then reheat or grill. Serve welldrained brats in buns, each topped with 2 Tbs. onions, if desired.

    PER SERVING (1 BRAT, BUN, AND 2 TBS. ONIONS) 395 cal; 32 g prot; 15 g total fat (2 g sat fat); 35 g carb; 0 mg chol; 841 mg sod; 6 g fiber; 5 g sugars
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Wow kjlued, you're such an awesome, mature, grown adult-type person. I've never seen those pictures before, thank you so much for sharing them. You're brilliant. I mean, it's such a great idea to be reactionary to a choice in diet that people put a lot of thought into and time researching why and how to stop eating/eat less meat and you, I'm sure, spent as much or more time looking through hundreds of thousand of pictures of animal carcasses cooked up for consumption until you found the exact right ones to post in this thread. Because, none of us eating meat, there's nothing more offensive to our sensibilities than animals we used to eat and see all the time being eaten in person. Those pictures though, whoo man! That's another whole level of seeing we just can't take. So, thanks a million for posting some very relevant and awesome pictures to our thread where we share recipes and ideas for meals. It really helps us out.
    Your welcome

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    There's a "carnivorous passion" thread where you can share your love of delicious meat products, seared to perfection. Rich in protein and saturated fatty acids, with a complete amino acid profile. Don't troll the vegans here, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    There's a "carnivorous passion" thread where you can share your love of delicious meat products, seared to perfection. Rich in protein and saturated fatty acids, with a complete amino acid profile. Don't troll the vegans here, LOL.
    LOL, no kidding, all that denying themselves of delicious seared flesh makes some of them a little testy.

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    LOL, no kidding, all that denying themselves of delicious seared flesh makes some of them a little testy.
    actually we're pretty laid back until something in a douchey carnivore's creutzfeldt-jakob addled brain prompts them to troll our threads. perhaps you've noticed a profound lack of vegan trolling in your "dead animal carcass passion" threads???

    be a swell guy and return the favor, eh?
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    I am sorry guys, I didn't mean to piss you all off.
    I guess my love for yummy seared flesh sometimes get the best of me.
    I will try not troll your thread anymore.

    Here is a corny joke to maybe make it all better

    Q: What do vegan zombies eat?

    A: Graiinnnzzzz

    Ok guys, time for me to go clog some arteries.

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    So, holidays are nearly upon us!

    Ill be experimenting with some vegan gravy around t-day and trying to get some awesome dishes the non vegetarian family will enjoy.

    What do the rest of you guys have going on for these often traditionally family oriented days ahead?

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    Vegan gravy! That reminds me, I was supposed to make some with some vegan biscuits when I moved into my apartment. I'll keep it on my radar.

    As for the holidays, I got nothing. I think Thanksgiving and Christmas I am going to spend with a friend(s?) from France. She'll be here with nothing to do and my mom has plans and I think my brother is spending it with his girls family.
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    Vegan gravy is tough to make IMO, I find the kind that comes with the Tofurkey is excellent.
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    ^^i got a plan, if it works it will be awesome, so I hope it works.
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    Yep, its gonna be trickey... But doable I think. I have some time to practice at least.

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    The absolutely best way to make the best vegan sauces is to start with a roux for the base. Always, ALWAYS start with a roux! That is how you get the creaminess that animal fat provides without the animal fat!

    I use a couple different combos for this. If you are just vegetarian, use butter and flour, either chickpea flour or a whole wheat fine grind flour. If vegan, I really like coconut oil and chickpea flour. Look up how to make a roux on youtube if you haven't done it before, and practice! Once you get it down, it is simple. But you will mess up the first couple times. Luckily, they are fast and cost almost nothing to make. But the results are spectacular!

    Now, as for gravy recipes... I have to think about that. I have made them, but I am a professional cook, so we don't really use recipes. I just throw stuff in a pot until what I want comes out Ok, let me try to translate one here for you...

    Basically, find any recipe that sounds good (and make sure it starts with a ROUX!), and substitute pan drippings/ chicken stock with veggie stock. If you REALLY want to blow away the family, make your own veggie stock from all your veggie tips and ends. Save them for the next couple of weeks in a freezer bag. If this is too much, just follow a recipe online and buy the veggies. Just make sure that you at least have some onion, celery, garlic, carrots, peppercorns, and a few bay leaves in the mix. The more variety you add on top of those, the yummier it is! I like to make a big pot, portion it out in ziplock bags, and freeze them for use any time. Use it in any recipe instead of water (rice, grains, sauces, everything!) to level up your vegan/ vegetarian cooking


    So, here is the basic idea for how I make my gravy:
    Frying pan on medium heat, add 2 tbsp of whatever oil or fat you would like to use for the roux (I like coconut oil, vegan margarine is also highly recommended). Add about 1/4 cup finely diced onion, and cook a couple of minutes. If you would like a mushroom gravy, add some small diced mushrooms at this point, about 1/2 cup, and some more oil. Add 2 cloves of minced garlic, adding more oil as needed. You want them to be swimming in it a bit. This is gravy, after all! Once the garlic is almost done, drain that yummy flavored oil you just made into a saucepan. It's ok if you get a few chunks of garlic or veggies in the mix! Now, this is my secret; with the frying pan still on medium heat with the veggies in the pan, add about 1/3 cup white wine to deglaze them. Only cook for a minute or two, just until the wine cooks down a bit and all the oil from the sides is mixed in. Turn off the heat and set aside.

    Now, back to that saucepan with the flavored oil. Turn it on low-medium heat, whatever you have found you need it set to for your roux. Add some more oil to the saucepan, enough so there is about 1/2 cup of oil in there. Add 1/2 cup flour and make your roux. Once that is complete, add about 2 cups of veggie stock, more as needed. Whisk over low-medium heat until there are no more lumps. Add the veggies and wine you just cooked, and reduce to a simmer. Add salt, pepper, and some sage, to taste. Allow to simmer for about 10 minutes, or until it gets all nice and creamy. If it isn't getting creamy enough for you, add cornstarch, about 1 tsp whisked together with a couple tablespoons of COLD water (must be COLD or you will make your gorgeous gravy lumpy!) and stir in to the gravy. Repeat as needed to get more creamy... but I tend to find that this isn't needed!

    That is basic veggie/ mushroom gravy. If there is a certain theme or flavor you want, let me know! (cranberry gravy, citrus gravy, white gravy, etc.) If there is a certain non vegan recipe that sounds good, I can help you adapt it to be vegan. That is basically how I make my recipes, just adapting regular ones

    I have found there are very few limitations to vegan cooking. You just need to be smart and creative, and the results are just as amazing as non vegan!

    Good luck, have fun, and make the family proud

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    Ive got some experimenting to do now based on that sort of outline there.

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    Anybody have some good seitan recipes to share? I'm an accidental vegetarian most days but eat meat at a few meals throughout the week.

    Seitan has always been my favorite, normally just use the recipes from Veganomicon and put them in the steamer to cook instead of boiling in broth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Anybody have some good seitan recipes to share? I'm an accidental vegetarian most days but eat meat at a few meals throughout the week.

    Seitan has always been my favorite, normally just use the recipes from Veganomicon and put them in the steamer to cook instead of boiling in broth.

    Hi GT Here is an earlier post for seitan

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    I will give you guys another hint while we on are the topic of sauces;

    Béchamel sauce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bechamel sauce. Make it with vegan margarine and soy milk. It is a creamy modification of roux, and is how you will make the BEST vegan Alfredo and Cheese sauces you will ever have Protip number two; blend the soy milk with some raw cashews before adding it into the sauce. It takes the creaminess up a notch, and adds that amazing 'bite' kind of texture and the hint of nuttiness that cream and cheese have and most vegan substitutions are missing. Nutritional yeast is a must, which is a trick most vegans already know about. And, try some yellow mustard in the sauce to give it a 'sharp' cheddar cheese flavor. I also like some blended pimentos to give it the cheddar cheese color and some very nice, mild flavor. And of course, never be afraid of the spices.

    I love to experiment with sauces because they are inexpensive, very versatile and easy to play with, and can make or break a dish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    No, but it serves as an example that vegans are pretty much dependent on the supermarket being around the corner.

    There is a reason why there are no vegan or even vegetarian civilizations and cultures found in the world, except our First World Civilization which can just pop by local supermarket and buy some food supplements.

    On the other hand, I really ADMIRE vegan folks who live on farms and can eat what they grow with their own hands.
    Says the man chomping on bacon hotpockets in his Mum's basement.

    "Id be vegan but I don't have a farm so I just eat meat from the supermarket vs killing cats, cows, dogs, rats and lambs like other meat eaters do...'.

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    Does any of the 'you won't get enough protein if you are a vegan' naysayers think they have more Strava KOM's against elite riders than me? http://app.strava.com/dashboard

    Check it out.

    How can I bang out such high wattage and VAM if my diet is 'protein deficient'. How come so many riders eat meat and take whey protein? If you are getting enough protein how come you need to take whey protein? Interesting eh?

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    Durian, you're poking bears. Old ones at that. And while bears are generally stupid and know next to nothing about a healthy vegan diet, it's more stupid to poke them as it only gets them fired up and ready to launch an idiotic picture flame-war of moronic proportions. So, in an effort to keep stupidity to a minimum, let's not get all "high and mighty vegan" , yeah?

    Pro-tip: I'm using bears as a metaphor for posts/posters that like to troll our thread with meat stupidity.
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    Had a nice 4 + hour ride today, earned my Tofurkey. Holidays are always a tough time for us vegetarians, with family dinners and such. Our plan is to get everyone to go to a restaurant where there is some vegetarian options, that way we don't have to impose on someone to make special dishes or bring our own food. What do you guys do?
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    During the holidays I become even more reclusive and stay home and refuse to answer my phone. I hate holidays like I'm the Grinch.
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    ^^ Me too. We usually plan our vacation abroad during the holidays so we can get the hell out of Dodge. I guess I'm a Grinch too. Doesn't help that they start ramming Xmas up your azz right after Halloween these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natzx7 View Post
    Had a nice 4 + hour ride today, earned my Tofurkey. Holidays are always a tough time for us vegetarians, with family dinners and such. Our plan is to get everyone to go to a restaurant where there is some vegetarian options, that way we don't have to impose on someone to make special dishes or bring our own food. What do you guys do?
    I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not allergic to meat. I don't believe in a religion that forbids eating meat. So, if I eat a bit twice or thrice a year it's not a big deal. From the health aspect and the moral aspect what I do 99% of the year matters more. I'm not going to let my diet choice dictate how I participate in the holidays with my friends and family. I have yet to go to a meal and not find enough vegetarian things to eat to get by. I also try to not make a big deal out of it. If I can select vegetarian items and nobody notices then I feel like I achieved my mission. I sort of treat it like a game. To be honest, people are so worried about themselves few actually pay much attention to what I'm eating unless I talk about it.
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    I'm not vegetarian but I have been making healthier food choices and fixing veggie only meals or dinners about 3 or 4 nights a week. Tonight we had a garden salad with roasted butternut squash on the side. The squash came out really good so I thought I would share.

    one washed butternut squash cut into 1 to 2 inch pieces put into an oven roasting pan
    enough olive oil to coat maybe (3 to 5 tablespoons)
    1 tablespoon steak rub & appx. 1/2 teaspoon garlic salt
    drizzle small amount of maple syrup (sorry no measurement)
    Mix spices and squash pieces until well coated
    Bake uncovered in preheated 375 degree oven for appx. 20 min. then cover and cook for another 10 minutes or until done.

    It is a little bit sweet and savory too. Next time I will add a few crushed red pepper flakes

    edit: The steak rub is also good on roasted potatoes
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    Ive been vegi for about a year and vegan for 5 months. For me, its not about the animals, its about my health. I try to eat raw a lot as well.

    Since Ive changed my eating habits Ive been stronger on the bike and my recovery time has greatly improved. The meals are excellent and its been a fun change.

    This was my first T-giving with no meat and it went excellent. We made a black bean quinioa salad, mashed sweet potatos, mac and cheese, and a field roast bought at whole foods.

    The mac and cheese was a hit with our 2 boys. We used elbow rice noodles and the cheese was a blend of cashews and nutritional yeast and a few others things, a small amount of sauteed kale and smoked spanish paprika. Everything turned our really well.

    The best part is we all ate a ton of food but I still felt good afterward. Nothing like I use to feel after eating a traditional Thanksgiving meal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeus2112 View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not allergic to meat. I don't believe in a religion that forbids eating meat. So, if I eat a bit twice or thrice a year it's not a big deal. From the health aspect and the moral aspect what I do 99% of the year matters more. I'm not going to let my diet choice dictate how I participate in the holidays with my friends and family. I have yet to go to a meal and not find enough vegetarian things to eat to get by. I also try to not make a big deal out of it. If I can select vegetarian items and nobody notices then I feel like I achieved my mission. I sort of treat it like a game. To be honest, people are so worried about themselves few actually pay much attention to what I'm eating unless I talk about it.
    ^^^^This

    I just couldn't refuse christmas eve sushi, it was a yearly splurge. But I could easily pass on the same prime rib (which I never liked) on christmas proper. Passing on turkey was easy too, same turkey every year. I made something vegan to bring, it escapes me what exactly I brought... maybe a desert? I know I splurged and ate vegetarian instead of vegan during family dinners. My first thanksgiving away from the family, I made a full vegan feast. It was great when I made all the rules

    I got razzed by the family for eating sushi but not beef, or a piece of pie but no ice cream. But just don't let it bother you. For special occasions, and in small amounts, it won't hurt you, is tasty, and makes the family happy to see you eat the food they slaved over. Keeping them guessing is good for them anyways, makes them more tolerant for future gatherings.

    Just like Asmodeus said, don't make a big deal about it, eat a nice selection of vegetarian sides, and politely decline the roasted animal of the night. I knew when I went into it, trying to get my family to change anything would only make dinner hostile. So, I changed for them on those nights, and dinner was pleasant. Everything else was the same level of suck, but that never has anything to do with what I choose to eat.

    It is more about getting the family together than properly feeding everyone anyways. The feeding is just the excuse to force everyone to sit down together.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    ^^^^This

    I just couldn't refuse christmas eve sushi, it was a yearly splurge. But I could easily pass on the same prime rib (which I never liked) on christmas proper. Passing on turkey was easy too, same turkey every year. I made something vegan to bring, it escapes me what exactly I brought... maybe a desert? I know I splurged and ate vegetarian instead of vegan during family dinners. My first thanksgiving away from the family, I made a full vegan feast. It was great when I made all the rules

    I got razzed by the family for eating sushi but not beef, or a piece of pie but no ice cream. But just don't let it bother you. For special occasions, and in small amounts, it won't hurt you, is tasty, and makes the family happy to see you eat the food they slaved over. Keeping them guessing is good for them anyways, makes them more tolerant for future gatherings.

    Just like Asmodeus said, don't make a big deal about it, eat a nice selection of vegetarian sides, and politely decline the roasted animal of the night. I knew when I went into it, trying to get my family to change anything would only make dinner hostile. So, I changed for them on those nights, and dinner was pleasant. Everything else was the same level of suck, but that never has anything to do with what I choose to eat.

    It is more about getting the family together than properly feeding everyone anyways. The feeding is just the excuse to force everyone to sit down together.

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    Roasted tomato passion

    I was served roasted tomatoes with fresh mozzarella slices and garlic toast as an appetizer years ago in a small Atlanta bistro. I remarked to the owner how awesome it was and she invited me back into the kitchen to show me how to make them.

    I usually pick up 3 to 5 lbs of ripe tomatoes. My local produce stand almost always has a decent selection of reduced ripe tomatoes, when they don't I usually pick up roma/plum tomatoes. I use a mandolin slicer to keep the slices uniform (if the tomatoes are very soft you will want to slice with a knife). Preheat oven to 350 degrees, you will need a couple or three cookie sheet pans, go ahead and either spray with cooking oil or use olive oil to coat pans prior to placing sliced tomatoes in pans. Place tomatoes in pans, then I sprinkle with dried basil flakes, generic italian seasoning mix and lightly with garlic salt. Drizzle a bit more olive oil on tomatoes and place in oven. After about 15 minutes reduce heat to appx. 275/300 and begin to watch the tomatoes but be careful when opening oven as steam will pour out of oven and can burn your face. It helps if you turn them with a spatula near the halfway point. It is a process and takes a time or two to perfect but imo the end product is worth the time. I took pictures at 4 different points in the process. The concentrated flavor is far superior to sun dried tomatoes (which I like too) and they are great added to many things like salads, pizza or just eaten alone...yum.
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    ^^^^ What Atlanta bistro? Sounds like an awesome recipe that I'll have to try in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    ^^^^ What Atlanta bistro? Sounds like an awesome recipe that I'll have to try in the future.
    It was named after the owner "Zoe's". My sister lives in Atl and said the restaurant went out of business but their food was amazing. When you make the tomatoes your house will smell incredible. I'd like to know what you think if you give it a try.
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    Ooo reminds me of one of my favorite recipes! I mostly use it to showcase the amazing produce I grow in my garden. If you make this recipe, please make sure to use garden fresh tomatoes! Supermarket tomatoes are picked when still green then sprayed with chemicals to force them to turn red. It allows them to survive the shipping times, but they have no flavor! Fresh tomatoes in this recipe taste like garden fresh CANDY! Remember, tomatoes are a fruit! They should have flavor and a bit of sweetness.

    Take some of those garden fresh tomatoes and slice them thick. They don't need to be perfect, but aim for between 1/2" and 1". Lay those slices out on a foil lined sheet pan lightly sprayed with olive oil, then very lightly spray the slices. Top each slice with a nice leaf of fresh basil. Not too big of a piece, cut them down if needed. You want a piece of basil that is no bigger than the slice of tomato. Put a little nug of goat cheese on top of the basil. The amount varies depending on size of tomatoes, so aim for a piece that covers about 1/2 of the basil, dont smother it with cheese! Drizzle balsamic glaze VERY lightly over all slices. Bake for 5-10 minutes at 375F, or until cheese is brown and bubbly. Allow to cool for 5 minutes, and enjoy!

    Sorry about lack of measurements again . I just eye everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lulanok View Post
    yeah,I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.
    Actually, we taste like pork. All humans do. Our skin and organs very closely resemble that of pigs. Just think about how similar they look! In fact, for years, scientists have been using pigs to experiment with growing human organs, and have tested transplants from pigs into primates. We currently grow heart valves and insulin in them, and as soon as we can solve that pesky autoimmune rejection thing, we can grow any organ in them for human transplantation. When you eat pork, you are eating your cousin.


    But, that is a side tangent. Your line is old and has been used multiple times in this thread already. It stopped being cleaver in 501 BC. But thanks for the thread bump!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Actually, we taste like pork. All humans do. Our skin and organs very closely resemble that of pigs. Just think about how similar they look! In fact, for years, scientists have been using pigs to experiment with growing human organs, and have tested transplants from pigs into primates. We currently grow heart valves and insulin in them, and as soon as we can solve that pesky autoimmune rejection thing, we can grow any organ in them for human transplantation. When you eat pork, you are eating your cousin.


    But, that is a side tangent. Your line is old and has been used multiple times in this thread already. It stopped being cleaver in 501 BC. But thanks for the thread bump!


    *Is waiting for next month when another newbie inevitably comes by to say the same thing*
    LOL, for that kind of matter, we all know that men are pigs. That women share the same similarities with pigs, somehow seems to fly under the radar


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    Smile chiming in..

    I just wanted to say that I've been lurking in this thread for a while now and I signed up so I could post. I know I should introduce my self in the general thread first but I just wanted to say that this thread is great and thanks for starting it! I will be checking back frequently.

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    I've been Vegan for 6 months. I had RLS for at least 15 years. I had never been able to figure out the cause and didn't want to be on medication for the rest of my life. I did a 5 day juice cleanse and my RLS was gone after 24hrs of starting on the juice. I have now been able to control the feelings in my legs completely thru my diet. We need to sleep to recover and if you can't sleep you can't recover.

    Two things I have found. After talking to a lot of people and doing a lot of research.

    First- Just like in the first page of this thread. Why do meat eaters feel under attack and have to defend them selves when I'm the one that has made the choice to not eat meat or dairy?

    Second- Is every one brainwashed by the media and USFDA to believe that meat and cheese is the only source of protien in the world?

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    The hardest thing for me to do in my practice is to get a patient to make a lifestyle change in regards to diet. I had a guy last month who is being ravaged by type II diabetes to the point where he is on the verge of losing two toes. He told me he would do anything to get healthy. I took two hours of my personal time to explain how he could start simply by eating a basic green smoothie prior to his meals. I figured this would be a nice easy place for him to start. I saw him two weeks later and asked him how it was going. He laughed and said "Doc, it was like licking my dogs butt and if that's what I have to do to get healthy they can have both of my feet!" So much of folks poor diet is wrapped up in emotion, addiction, and misinformation. Most people would be shocked to know how many medical professionals are completely ignorant concerning diet. So it's the perfect storm, people aren't getting the information from their healthcare providers because Docs are not being taught proper nutrition in school. I feel this is because of adverse pressure from pharmaceutical companies Peoples biology is being exploited by "food" companies who add addictive additives to their products. (Think MSG and Aspartame among others). Plus you have a government that caters to special interests (think Mansanto) who continue to push absurd dietary guidelines.
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

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    I've been Vegan for 6 months. I had RLS for at least 15 years. I had never been able to figure out the cause and didn't want to be on medication for the rest of my life. I did a 5 day juice cleanse and my RLS was gone after 24hrs of starting on the juice. I have now been able to control the feelings in my legs completely thru my diet. We need to sleep to recover and if you can't sleep you can't recover.

    Second- Is every one brainwashed by the media and USFDA to believe that meat and cheese is the only source of protien in the world?
    I'm doing the juice cleanse right now and experience the same thing, but I havent been riding as much either. Carbs and exercise seemed to be the biggest causes I could trace to restless legs at night, different diets and stretching helped a lot for me. RLS as a medical condition is BS in my opinion as are most modern conditions created by big pharma to sell you medication you dont need.

    People never seem to care about where you get your protein until you tell them that you're trying a vegetarian diet. You should tell those folks to ask some gorillas or elephants where they get their protein from . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    I'm doing the juice cleanse right now and experience the same thing, but I havent been riding as much either. Carbs and exercise seemed to be the biggest causes I could trace to restless legs at night, different diets and stretching helped a lot for me. RLS as a medical condition is BS in my opinion as are most modern conditions created by big pharma to sell you medication you dont need.

    People never seem to care about where you get your protein until you tell them that you're trying a vegetarian diet. You should tell those folks to ask some gorillas or elephants where they get their protein from . . .
    I think the biggest cause for my RLS was refined sugar. The cleaner my diet has become the easier it has become to trace the effects of food.

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    Been a vegetarian for almost a year and honestly can say that I feel better then I have in years (just turned 42). I've subscribed to this thread and appreciate the info I've gotten from here. I've not gone full vegan tho, still consume eggs and honey. Have cut out most dairy products, we have a lil cheese every now and again. Thanks again guys.

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    Oh by the way, to stay on topic

    Favorite vegan food = pizza

    We use home made cashew cheese there's a ton of how to's on making nut cheese. A quick google will yield some results, but as for other ingredients -

    Sun dried tomatoes
    Cubed boiled sweet potato
    Red capsicum
    Baby spinach
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    And top it with a swirl of BBQ sauce
    And some basil and oregano

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    Trader Joes also has a fantastic vegan pizza. I personally don't like the fake cheeses (other than nut cheese sauces like what I have posted), and this pizza doesn't use it. It uses a nice balsamic glaze sauce and topped with fire roasted veggies.

    I believe Amy's makes one too, and it is a very similar recipe. It isn't quite as good as Trader Joes, however

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    Not sure if I can get Trader Joes here in Australia but that sounds awesome!


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    New mostly-vegetarian here, after seeing some documentaries such as Forks Over Knives, Dying To Have Known, and other docs that I don't remember the names of which tout the merits of healthy, sustainable, healing foods. Been at it since last fall, with the usual breaks at Tg, Christmas, and another family celebration last week. Bought a juicer and am juicing too. I have to say, I can't remember feeling this good. I'm old and have been sick for years, but I feel so good these days that I have ordered a MTB, which should arrive tomorrow. Won't be too long, some of y'all may see me on some Austin-area trails. (OK the easier ones - I may feel better now, but I doubt that I'll as easily get over being OLD.)

    I'm glad to have found this thread for all the tips I'm finding (Thanks Dion! and the rest of you who have provided so much useful info). My veggie diet needs some spicing up (while staying low sodium, low fat, etc.), and I'm getting some good ideas here.

    As for recipes, my neighbor gave us one for red lentil soup that is so good it makes me want to slap the s%@t outa a red wasp nest just to bring me back to my senses. I'll ask her if I can post it here; if so I'll sure do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    New mostly-vegetarian here, after seeing some documentaries such as Forks Over Knives, Dying To Have Known, and other docs that I don't remember the names of which tout the merits of healthy, sustainable, healing foods. Been at it since last fall, with the usual breaks at Tg, Christmas, and another family celebration last week. Bought a juicer and am juicing too. I have to say, I can't remember feeling this good. I'm old and have been sick for years, but I feel so good these days that I have ordered a MTB, which should arrive tomorrow. Won't be too long, some of y'all may see me on some Austin-area trails. (OK the easier ones - I may feel better now, but I doubt that I'll as easily get over being OLD.)

    I'm glad to have found this thread for all the tips I'm finding (Thanks Dion! and the rest of you who have provided so much useful info). My veggie diet needs some spicing up (while staying low sodium, low fat, etc.), and I'm getting some good ideas here.

    As for recipes, my neighbor gave us one for red lentil soup that is so good it makes me want to slap the s%@t outa a red wasp nest just to bring me back to my senses. I'll ask her if I can post it here; if so I'll sure do it.

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    That's awesome Pequin, good luck on your goals!
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    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orthoguy View Post
    That's awesome Pequin, good luck on your goals!
    Thanks, Orthoguy; I appreciate that.

    Got my bike today and went for a ride. Wow, it's been a looong time! I had just about forgotten how, though conventional wisdom has it that that's theoretically impossible.

    Scrolling back to post #366 I see you're my kind of doc. If my doc talked and acted like you do I'd probably still be going to him. Alas, he's basically a liaison between "big pharma," expensive specialists, and the patient though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCraft View Post
    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?
    To be honest I switched about 4 years ago and I haven't noticed any change at all. You could look at that one of two ways -

    a) my perforce hasn't magically increased since becoming a twig muncher (Except i never get sick any more.) but more importantly....

    b) it HASN'T DECREASED in any way either.

    Purely anecdotal but take it how you will.


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    OK, on topic here:

    Masoor Dal - Red Lentil Soup

    1 cup red lentils, rinsed
    4 cups water or vegetable stock
    1/4 tsp turmeric
    1 1/2 tsp cumin powder (comino)
    2 medium tomatoes, peeled & chopped (I used Ro-tel for the extra chili peppers, but fresh is always healthier than canned)
    2 tsp salt (I reduced this to 1 tsp, and it still tasted great)
    1 serrano pepper, chopped
    1/4 cup cilantro (fresh coriander leaves), chopped
    2 tsp lemon juice
    10 curry leaves (I chopped them slightly, but the recipe does not specify this)

    Fry curry leaves in a Tb. of oil until fragrant, about 1 minute
    Add water/stock and lentils; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer 20 mins.
    Add turmeric, cumin, and tomatoes
    Cook 10 mins. more
    Add salt, chilis, lemon juice, and cilantro, and mix well

    Goes great with rice, quinoa, or just by itself. This is the best tasting thing I've eaten since "going veggie," I believe.

    Note: Only thing is, the curry leaves might be hard to find, I have no idea. My neighbor provided them; I don't know where she got them. I'm guessing Whole Foods has them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCraft View Post
    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?
    Vice versa. A college experiment years ago. 54 non-jock students went vegan for six weeks. Everything we ate was supplied by the study. The majority saw a decrease in the battery of physical tests given. When meat was re-introduced into our diet test scores improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Vice versa. A college experiment years ago. 54 non-jock students went vegan for six weeks. Everything we ate was supplied by the study. The majority saw a decrease in the battery of physical tests given. When meat was re-introduced into our diet test scores improved.
    Interesting......6 weeks isn't a very long time though. It takes longer than that for most people to "de-tox" so to speak with a massive change in diet like going straight from standard omni diet to vegan there would be a fairly large shock on the body as it adjusts. Not really ideal conditions for testing - but I'm sure your not claiming otherwise. Do you know what the purpose of the study was, or who was conducting it by any chance? You've piqued my interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1kk0 View Post
    Interesting......6 weeks isn't a very long time though. It takes longer than that for most people to "de-tox" so to speak with a massive change in diet like going straight from standard omni diet to vegan there would be a fairly large shock on the body as it adjusts. Not really ideal conditions for testing - but I'm sure your not claiming otherwise. Do you know what the purpose of the study was, or who was conducting it by any chance? You've piqued my interest
    Complete BS science. Your body doesn't detox mostly for 7 years! I 3 weeks I felt better but it was years before I started really knowing some of the advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    Complete BS science. Your body doesn't detox mostly for 7 years! I 3 weeks I felt better but it was years before I started really knowing some of the advantages.
    Yeah, I didn't really go through any kind of de-tox, I feel great having been veg for 4+ years though.


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    One of the big things you'll notice when you change to a greener diet is the changes to your skin. It's been my experience that when somebody commits to a green diet they will notice improvements in their skin in three to six weeks. The skin is the largest organ in the body so it may be that it is a general representation of general systemic improvement.
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

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    I lost 150lbs in 2 years when I went vegetarian, then vegan. I gained back 50 over 3 years when I went back to omni, but it seems like the majority will never come back.

    I need to get back on track with it. I felt better than I had my entire life! I also had a lot of flexibility in my life that I don't have now. There certainly is a complexity that is added, mostly related to planning. The cost is really only upfront stocking the pantry (and I have kept the pantry stocked with healthy vegan essentials as an after affect, which is why I didn't gain everything back).

    If nothing else, even going partially vegan teaches extremely good eating habits that will make even omni diets healthier. For those who can't go full vegan, I would still recommend doing 3 days a week vegan, for the health benefits and for teaching overall healthy eating habits. I have gotten my best friend into this as well, who is about to finish her degree in nutrition. She is omni, and has never gone full vegan, but spends a lot of time learning and creating vegan dishes. She hopes to start a small business with menu planning and cooking with a strong foundation in vegan foods to promote healthy lifestyles. I support her 100% and share all my recipes with her, and vice versa

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    Going Vegan and losing 50 pounds made m a hellava lot faster on the bike especially on hills.
    Losing 50 pounds reduced the wear and tear on my ankles, knees and feet where my aches and pains from my job literally went away in six months.

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    I don't know how I never checked out this part of the forums before!

    Just wanted to chime in...
    I've been vegan for over 15 years and veg for even longer.

    If anyone needs any recipes or has questions then please drop me a line.

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    Soon after eliminating animal products 20 years ago, my riding and mental endurance improved a lot, flues became rare, and after a couple years flues only have occurred every 2 or 3 years lasting for a few days to a week of symptoms and no more seasonal flu-like allergy symptoms. As if I became 20 years younger in energy.

    Previously since early childhood I had suffered a lifetime of frequent flues and colds 3 or 4 times per year, each lasting 6 weeks or longer, and increasing seasonal flu like allergies.

    Vegan at home, I'll accept occasional dairy or egg when served by others. But I get a flu like feeling for a day when I eat a larger portion of dairy or egg, or if there is a little meat hidden in a serving.

    Vegan sure is best for me. And there's so many more flavor options.

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    Could we start a thread that strictly talks about vegan/veggie recipes for on/off the bike. I get it, I use to make fun of vegans when I ate meat.

    For jokes I have numerous outlets, I'm actually just trying to find recipes or suggestions for on the bike eating, recovery, etc.

    I'll add something.....I tried hemp protein and compared to what I use to eat (whey) it's TERRIBLE. How do people like rice protein?
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    I actually switched to hemp protein from soy once I figured out how to make it tasty

    The base I use is vanilla almond milk (the sweetened stuff) and a banana, blend with the hemp powder and ice to make a shake or just shake with ice (but the texture is funky). You can add more flavor and sweetness with a couple tablespoons of that Torani syrup for cocktails and coffee. I tried other fruit with limited success... the banana was all I found that actually tasted alright with the hemp.

    Play with the recipe a bit using the base. I like it enough that I drink it just like that.

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    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
    It's not that bad, in fact I have come to like the taste. With that being said it is different and I would mix it with juice or put it into a smoothie. The cool thing with spirulina is that it is 60-65%% protein and unlike whey it's also considered a super food. Give it a shot Pequin, how bad could it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
    Tried spirulina and hated it. Spent almost $20 on the bottle, kept it in the fridge for months before tossing it. Wanted to like it but just couldn't.

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    Vegetarian and Vegan Passion

    Sprulina is hard to take in a smoothie unless you doctor it up a lot. I take it in pill form....chlorella and sprulina mixed.

    I have come to really enjoy the hemp protein. All I add is 1 banana, ice water and some cinnamon and it taste fine to me. I mix 2 tbsp of hemp and 2 tbsp of pea protein for my shakes. My post training shakes consist of a lot more stuff.

    I tried some whey I had in the cabinet not too long ago (after being vegan for 8 months) and I couldn't stand it. It tasted too man made, artificial I guess. I have found the longer and healthier I eat, the worse my old foods taste to me.

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    I buy spirulina in tablet form and take 4 before rides. It and Wolfberries are the only health foods I've tried that actually make a difference in my energy level and how I feel.
    Didn't like trying to put it in capsules from powder form.
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    Adding more fuel to the fire. I have been vegetarian for over 12 years now. No meat, chicken fish etc. BUT I did eat a lot of cheese, milk, eggs and I love ice cream to no end! BUT I am going more "radical" in my diet now that I have spent some time researching diet.
    From what I have been reading we don't need that much protein in our diet. Our biggest problem is too much protein and protein affects our kidneys lowers our calcium levels and produces cancer.
    People are herbivores based upon their bodies, mouths, teeth and long intestinal track. Our long intestinal track filled with meat is not natural. It is designed to digest fruits and vegetables.
    People take calcium supplements but a new study has come out to say it is not effective. It appears that it is not effective because of the excess protein most people take in is stripping our bodies of calcium.
    The lowest lived people are those that consume a lot of meat like Eskimos. The longest lived people are those who are on a diet mostly of vegetables and fruit.
    Back in 1976 when queried one of the heads of a cancer institute said that diet probably contributed towards 50 percent of cancers. When asked why only 1% of his funding was going towards nutrition, he said I often wonder about that (or something to that effect) Too much money is going to be left on the table if they find a cure for cancer, which given our diet they will probably never do.
    Even given my imperfect diet to date, I hardly ever get sick unlike when I used to eat meat. I would get a cold that would leave me hacking for a month or more.
    I lost an eye to cancer around 30 years ago so I know what a bummer it is to get cancer.

    Here is a pretty good link on vegetarianism and vegan-ism including some recipes!
    This link I am giving you speaks about how doctors generally know little about nutrition and life expectancy of people with different diets.
    http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/...a.html#doctors

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    richwolf,

    there's a lot of emerging evidence that carbs accelerate aging, especially simple carbs or their dietary equivalent. One can't cut back on more than one macronutrient at a time. We can definitely be sure that there are lots of healthy plant fats out there that are not to be avoided.

    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved. It is a logical fallacy to argue that we must be best off eating the diet that we were eating during eons of evolution. This is exactly the argument made by the stone age diet followers who are definitely not vegetarian. It could be true, but b/c we evolved to eat it doesn't mean it's best for us by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    richwolf,

    there's a lot of emerging evidence that carbs accelerate aging, especially simple carbs or their dietary equivalent. One can't cut back on more than one macronutrient at a time. We can definitely be sure that there are lots of healthy plant fats out there that are not to be avoided.

    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved. It is a logical fallacy to argue that we must be best off eating the diet that we were eating during eons of evolution. This is exactly the argument made by the stone age diet followers who are definitely not vegetarian. It could be true, but b/c we evolved to eat it doesn't mean it's best for us by any means.
    PG,

    Interesting. Well I guess I shouldn't have said designed since that is a whole other can of worms!
    Since I am just in the first steps of doing diet research I would be interested in hearing more about this carb theory.

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    For those having issues with hemp protein, try hemp hearts instead. They have a nuttier flavor and more protein than the crushed hemp plant that makes up most powdered hemp protein. Texture is very similar to a smoothie with oatmeal ground into it or kinda like a strawberry smoothie with all of the little seeds in the mix. Not for fans of perfectly homogenous smoothies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved.
    your opinion is respected, but please don't present it as fact as it opens up a whole other can of worms for a host of reasons including but not limited to:


    • other people feel just as strongly about their beliefs/opinions as you do so it begs for reply/defense/confrontation.
    • some people may take offense to being bluntly told they're wrong just as you might were the situation reversed.
    • simply saying that our digestive tract is designed as herbivorous doesn't necessarily imply that one believes in intelligent design or evolution, so there's no need to start preaching/defending/ballyhooing the theory of evolution.
    • your statement is not fact as there is no concrete evidence to back it up.
    • it could be suggested and well argued that from the standpoints of both simple and complex science/research/logic (along with mathematical probability) that the intricately complex individual bodily systems (digestive, respiratory, lymphatic, renal, cardiovascular, etc.) combined with their requisite symbiotic nature actually suggest and give far more evidence to an intelligent design than random and/or gradual evolution.


    that being said, irrespective of the nature of design (I.D. or evolution) it is irrefutable that the human G.I. tract's functional construct design from lips to anus is herbivore.

    please don't view this as an invitation or attempt to debate the issue of I.D. vs. evolution. i'm not attacking your opinion nor should you feel the need to defend it. i'm merely pointing out that simply stating an opinion doesn't make it fact, and i'm suggesting it not be presented as such.

    as for carbs accelerating aging keep in mind that the body's functional design (irrespective of origin) is to use carbs as it's main energy source. however, all carbs are not created equal (pun intended) in that there are both "good" and "bad" carbs -- so i'd like to see that research as well. while there seems to be plenty of research over the last few decades that "bad" carbs have a detrimental impact on the human body i've yet to see any research that suggests "good" carbs (i.e. those from a plant based diet) that the body is designed to run on are simultaneously detrimental to it.
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