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    Quote Originally Posted by longfinkillie View Post
    ^(wouldn't it just be easier to ignore posts like this?)^

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    So, I went for a 10 mile ride yesterday when the munchies hit. Barring the obligatory dried fruit/granola fare, whatcha guys packin' for ya snackin'?
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    Dried fruit and granola. Hehe. Also, baked potato with some fixin's( butter or substitute, a few slices of avocado, cheese or nutritional yeast, whatever else you want on it). Bag of mixed nuts( almonds, walnuts, cashews, sometimes Brazil nuts and maybe some pistachios). Peanut butter and banana sandwich with honey/ agave nectar. Vegetable juice.
    Homemade beef and venison jerky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longfinkillie View Post
    ^(wouldn't it just be easier to ignore posts like this?)^

    Now back to regular scheduled programming...

    So, I went for a 10 mile ride yesterday when the munchies hit. Barring the obligatory dried fruit/granola fare, whatcha guys packin' for ya snackin'?
    I just pack a bar. I'm not a vegan, so I go with a Clif Bar - but I've been drinking Hammer Heed and it's been working great. I truly DO NOT know what they put in that stuff but it brings me back to life in a big way.

    My lunch rides are generally 10-15 miles long (with the exception of my road rides, which are about 22 miles long) so I only pack enough calories to get me through.

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    I'm taking my wife to Home Page for her birthday today up in Oakland (Ca.). They serve fried "chicken" and other things that seem pretty good.

    When I converted, the one thing that I really miss is Fried Chicken, prepared Filipino style (Island style) - which is extra crispy with a serving of white rice. DUDE.

    So I'm looking forward to it, definitely.

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    Jealous. In the South( Raleigh) we have nothing. Unless you count this place called Remedy, which is absolute sht.

    I miss Denver already. Veg food options at every single restaurant. Here I'm lucky if the salad has a lettuce besides iceberg in it.
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    I always throw a couple apples into my pack. get some slow-release sugar and hydration at the same time.

    I save fancy sports foods and drinks for special occasions, such as a trip to the mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    As a fellow V-peep, I encourage you to ignore the nay-saying regarding our diet choices. I tell people I'm a vegetarian and they look at me like I have AIDS.

    Then the questions come up, "How do you get your protein?" and "Don't you feel weak?" and or "Science has proven we need meat..."; sometimes I get the "I knew a guy who was vegetarian and he still ended up dying..." That one always makes me laugh.
    its amazing how consistent the responses are to finding out somebody is a vegetarian. Why do so many people act as if they have not had plenty of opportunities to find out that there is plenty of digestable protein in all sorts of vegetative matter.

    now if you're a world-class athlete, perhaps you might find mild scientific justification for eating dairy or a bit of meat. But the other 99.995% of the population is almost certainly well-served by plant proteins. I haven't eaten meat more than ten times in over a decade and nobody would look at me and think I'm lacking in protein at 5'8", 200lbs, and ~10% body fat.

    and as I age slower than the sedentary and the heavy-meat eaters around me, I get to revel in my body's relative youth, so I still get to feel like a winner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    Besides tasting great, it needs to cook for only 20 minutes. Last night I cooked up a pot of quinoa with some amaranth (just to be ber indigenous). Tasty.
    interestingly, quinoa is basically a type of amaranth...same family.

    there are several interesting north american species in the same genus as quinoa. What we see around here most frequently, and considered one of agriculture's most noxious pests is chenopodium alba. South American quinoa is chenopodium quinoa.

    In the south if you scratch the ground (or even if you don't) a close relative of quinoa will come sprouting up. You can eat the leaves in moderation ( though some are very sensitive to the oxalic acid in the leaves) and the seeds are a smaller version of the familiar pseudo-grain, quinoa. Once you've cleaned off the saponins that prevent insect infestation, you can eat the seeds. I'm letting chenopodium take over my garden and weeding out all the competitors to see how much food I can get from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    now if you're a world-class athlete, perhaps you might find mild scientific justification for eating dairy or a bit of meat. But the other 99.995% of the population is almost certainly well-served by plant proteins.
    Mac Danzig, professional UFC fighter, seems to do just fine with his high protein vegan diet

    UFC Fighter Mac Danzig's Vegan Diet - Aggressive Strength Nutrition Article

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Jealous. In the South( Raleigh) we have nothing. Unless you count this place called Remedy, which is absolute sht.

    I miss Denver already. Veg food options at every single restaurant. Here I'm lucky if the salad has a lettuce besides iceberg in it.
    Here's what I had for lunch today at Souly Vegan:

    Fried Okra for an Appetizer
    2 pieces of Fried Tofu
    Red Beans and Rice
    Corn Bread
    Mustard Greens

    Dude...



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    God that looks delicious!!!

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    Wow!! Vegan soul food. Gonna have to take a trip to Oakland for some of that goodness. Perhaps before an A's game.

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    Dude, that looks so freaking good! You quoted me to make me more envious. I like your style.

    Also, whomever neg repped me for being a "vegan troll", I'm not vegan. Read my posts dude; I eat fish and sht on a rare occasion. I simply add the vegan subs so people who are can make the proper adjustments without having to figure it out themselves, 'Cause I'm a nice guy and sht.

    I have to now try and force myself to sleep. It's 10:50pm EST and I need to be up by 5:00am EST for a 70+ miler. Though, I am probably going to post a few more times on some forums; I'm addicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Also, whomever neg repped me for being a "vegan troll", I'm not vegan. Read my posts dude; I eat fish and sht on a rare occasion.
    Eww, you eat sh*t on rare occasions?!?! That's just gross.

    (Sorry, I had a moment of weakness and couldn't resist )
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy03 View Post
    Eww, you eat sh*t on rare occasions?!?! That's just gross.

    (Sorry, I had a moment of weakness and couldn't resist )
    Yeah, I knew it was going to happen eventually. I thought about editing it when I was proofreading but decided against it. I figured I'd let some one jump on it.

    Also, Found that post I was responding to. It was in a different thread. I am going to cross post my original. (The one with the statistics).
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    Ive been on a vegan diet for over 9 years and it seems to suit me well in an active lifestyle that includes cycling, running, hiking, skateboarding, surfing, and snowboarding.
    I live in Portland most of the year (im stuck in Michigan for grad school) and that city has the best selection of vegan and vegetarian eateries ive ever seen. In addition it is also super cycle friendly.

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    I love mushrooms! Saute them with garlic, ginger, and eat them over noodles. And I live off Hummus, I make wraps with greens and a cucumber sauce for lunch all the time. Not to mention black beans nachos, chile and black bean burritos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.bubbles View Post
    I love mushrooms! Saute them with garlic, ginger, and eat them over noodles. And I live off Hummus, I make wraps with greens and a cucumber sauce for lunch all the time. Not to mention black beans nachos, chile and black bean burritos.
    I think you may like this pic. We had to ride around it of course! My Dad is always trying these out, brings them home all the time, and he's 78. More often than not they end up in the garbage due to bugs.

    Also, Go Patrick Swayze train! Just saw that one the other day....
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    Thats a nice shroom. I saw a big ol' one my last ride too. I never dare to eat them tho, but I don't know what kind they are.
    dirty old Sebastian Bach is jealous of the swayze express, and lied about him using illegal parts!
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    Anybody ever ate Laughing Seed Restaurant in Asheville NC? AMAZING and very reasonable price. Stellar MTB area obviously too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprunghunt View Post
    Mac Danzig, professional UFC fighter, seems to do just fine with his high protein vegan diet

    UFC Fighter Mac Danzig's Vegan Diet - Aggressive Strength Nutrition Article
    right, which is why I only went so far as to say "mild scientific justification".

    clearly an example of someone who performs well as a professional athlete without eating meat is insufficient to rule out that all can do so.

    But what I think is defensible is that scientific evidence indicates that the vast majority of people can be just as healthy and athletic with a omnivorous diet as a vegetarian diet. Too much meat has also been thoroughly shown to be bad for you, but that's a tautological statement, so of course its correct.

    Another claim that is difficult to support with science is the idea that small amounts of meat in your diet (e.g. a serving every couple of weeks) will have deleterious effects on your health. Probably the greatest risk associated with this sort of meat consumption is due to the risk of consuming pathogens and unhealthy chemicals, both which can also be found in non-meat food sources.

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    Osem is Awesome!


    This stuff is the closest to a chicken soup analogue I've seen in a while (but I'm open to suggestions about others). It's a little on the salty side though.

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    I'm trying very hard to be vegan. It's not easy. Fake meat does not = vegetarian. I hate that stuff. It's nasty.

    How do the vegan's do it when you travel?

    How can we have this many non-vegans in this thread? Go troll some where else

    I use a lot of recipe's from Brenden Brazier's THRIVE books. Lots of great information there. Is anyone else using his books?

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    [QUOTE=johnbryer;8421355]I'm trying very hard to be vegan. It's not easy. Fake meat does not = vegetarian. I hate that stuff. It's nasty.

    How do the vegan's do it when you travel? [quote]

    Go to California or Colorado where there are options in actual restaurants.
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    The longer you are use to a vegan diet the easier it will become. I was in Finland this summer and that was a little difficult. Almost every meal is meat or fish and its very hard to read ingredients. I eventually found food but the trip was far from a culinary delight.

    I also think it's reasonable to make some exceptions. Bear Grylls is actually a vegan when he isnt in survival mode I heard. If I was doing a crazy adventure tour in an undeveloped area I might allow myself to eat something dairy or egg based to sustain myself until I got back to where I could buy something vegan. I wouldnt be happy about it but my personal survival comes first.

    Having said that, I have been vegan for going on 10 years and have not eaten any animal products except for minor accidents where something was prepared wrong. So although I am prepared for those situations they dont seem to happen a great deal.

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    danguskhan- Curious, when you had your 'minor accidents,' did it make you sick?

    I ask because I have some friends that have been able to switch back to eating meat without any issues, and some that haven't. I know if I eat food (been a vegetarian for 16 years) that has meat grease (fats) in it that I'm in for an uncomfortable evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longfinkillie View Post

    This stuff is the closest to a chicken soup analogue I've seen in a while (but I'm open to suggestions about others). It's a little on the salty side though.
    When not having a homemade poultry, beef, fish, ham, lobster, or vegetable stock handy, I like this brand; no MSG, and can be had in organic, Kosher, vegan, and low salt varieties. The regular bases do not have a salty taste to begin with...

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    Dubthang: I was vegan for three years and really hardcore about it( i.e. not even eating red dye #40, vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D3 etc. because they are animal derived) and when I started to eat dairy again I had no adverse effects. To be incredibly fair though, I think my stomach is actually made out of lead lined cast-iron. I can eat things that make you mere mortals sick and be fine. I'm awesome like that.

    JohnBryer: I would-- a lot of the times-- end up not eating out when I traveled( in country) and just go to a grocery. It sounds lame because the idea of travel is to experience new foods and cooking styles but whatever. You could just "suspend" your diet for travel duration. It's a self-imposed diet restriction for moral/ health reasons, so just lift the ban for travel. All your HxC Vegan friends may frown on that but screw them, they're *******s anyway.

    I hate fake meats too. Have you tried the ToFurky Sausages? They are they only "meat" product I eat. They have an awesome taste and are even better when thrown over some coals. Add on some Inglehoffer Stone Ground Dijon Mustard, sauerkraut, ketchup, dill relish, Veganaise on the bun and holy crap, I'm in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    danguskhan- Curious, when you had your 'minor accidents,' did it make you sick?

    I ask because I have some friends that have been able to switch back to eating meat without any issues, and some that haven't. I know if I eat food (been a vegetarian for 16 years) that has meat grease (fats) in it that I'm in for an uncomfortable evening.
    When I get something that has dairy in it I can tell. It has never settled well with me even before I was vegan. So I will sometimes feel a little off if that happens.I dont really get sick. I can just tell by the way I feel.
    Usually when a restaurant slips up and I dont notice until I am eating it I dont have much of a problem. I just ask them to correct the problem and they do. I dont usually get sick from this either. For the most part I have an iron gullet so I dont pay to heavily for kitchen slip ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Dubthang: I was vegan for three years and really hardcore about it( i.e. not even eating red dye #40, vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D3 etc. because they are animal derived).
    Red 40 is actually vegan. There is a bit of an urban legend that it contains carmine coloring which is made of beetles (check your ruby red grapefruit ). However it is mostly mineral derived is my understanding. Its probably not at all good for you but it is not animal in origin.

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    As a long time vegetarian-of one sort or the other-, with plenty of veg friends and veg and vegan associates, I truly appreciated this clip/movie

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    Quote Originally Posted by danguskhan View Post
    Red 40 is actually vegan. There is a bit of an urban legend that it contains carmine coloring which is made of beetles (check your ruby red grapefruit ). However it is mostly mineral derived is my understanding. Its probably not at all good for you but it is not animal in origin.
    I just read something about this on producers of Red 40 going back to beetles because it was cheaper. The article wasn't about vegans, but actually about people with allergies. I wish I could remember where I saw that so I could dig it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    I just read something about this on producers of Red 40 going back to beetles because it was cheaper. The article wasn't about vegans, but actually about people with allergies. I wish I could remember where I saw that so I could dig it up.




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    Was red food coloring made from beetles' wings

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Maybe it's carmine that I was reading about. Thanks for the link.
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    Its something that I've heard numerous times from legit vegans and veggies. I have just never found anything to show that any of red 40 is non-vegan.
    I hope they never start to include carmine cause red 40 finds it's way into a lot of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
    The first statement is incorrect. As to the hypothetical question, the answer is MAYBE. It depends on what vegetation is available on the island.

    There are quite a few foods that are vegan and provide ALL of the essential amino acids a human needs to survive. Or combine a couple different foods that together cover the essential amino acids.

    I'm no vegan, just somebody who doesn't like the propagation of incorrect "facts".

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrasher_s View Post
    The first statement is incorrect. As to the hypothetical question, the answer is MAYBE. It depends on what vegetation is available on the island.

    There are quite a few foods that are vegan and provide ALL of the essential amino acids a human needs to survive. Or combine a couple different foods that together cover the essential amino acids.

    I'm no vegan, just somebody who doesn't like the propagation of incorrect "facts".


    From Livestrong on the subject of essential amino acids.


    "Vegan Protein Foods
    Vegans can obtain all the essential amino acids to make a complete protein in two ways. The first way is by eating plant-based foods that contain complete protein, such as soy and quinoa. Soybean is a legume and is among the most popular foods worldwide. Soybean is high in protein and equivalent in protein quality to animal foods. Soy foods include tofu, soy milk, tempeh and miso. Quinoa is a seed with a grainlike look and texture that contains all of the essential amino acids.

    The second way is by combining foods that contain incomplete proteins but which together provide enough of the essential amino acids to complement what's lacking in the other incomplete protein-containing food. Beans, peas, seeds, nuts, grain and vegetables are sources of incomplete proteins. Complementary proteins are two or more sources of incomplete proteins which together contain all the essential amino acids in proper proportions. Complementary proteins include whole-wheat bread and peanut butter, rice and beans and beans or peas and corn."


    As can be seen in the article it is possible to get the needed amino acids, it just requires a bit more planning.

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    No, seriously, being stranded on an island (or deep forest) your primary goal would be to find a soy farm? Or to find couple of food types to combine into full protein dish? Where is that magical place?

    Look, guys, I do not doubt vegan diet can give your body all the nutrients the body needs. I am saying that to achieve that you are dependant on supermarkets which have food which comes from different places, maybe even different climate zones.

    Think small - think, what if I am really stranded on an island where there are only couple of types of vegetables, some fruit, and coconuts. Closest soy farm is 3000 miles away. Fishing is your only option (molluscs, seaweed, ...).
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    I'm pretty sure that my biggest concern would be to find water before I found food if I was on an island. After that, I'd think, "Wait. Why the hell am I trapped on an island? Oh, I'm not because that's not ever going to happen."
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    I fail to see the point of the island argument. Yes, a meat diet is more sustaining; That however does not make it healthier.
    Best food if you were stranded on an island? Milk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    After that, I'd think, "Wait. Why the hell am I trapped on an island? Oh, I'm not because that's not ever going to happen."
    Who knows? You could one day end up like Tom Hanks in Castaway.

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    Oh you guys, and your literal comprehension of world.

    First, I was implying that vegans have specific set of rules which inhibits them to attend any "out-of-the-ordinary" "out-of-their-comfort-zone" stuff. I have asked numerous times some of my vegan friends to go hiking (a few days trip) with me, or to go to some place wild, or whatever, and the first answer is always - "do they have vegan restaurant/food there?". Of course on the bloody mountain they do not have vegan restaurant. You will eat delicious bacon and beans and barbecued wildlife and you will like it. Any weird location freaks them out.

    Second, I believe this is a public album, you do not need Facebook account - this is me on a small island in the middle of Pacific:

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    I have spent 6 months there. There is _NO_ variety of protein available to vegans there. Seafood is a must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    Oh you guys, and your literal comprehension of world.

    First, I was implying that vegans have specific set of rules which inhibits them to attend any "out-of-the-ordinary" "out-of-their-comfort-zone" stuff. I have asked numerous times some of my vegan friends to go hiking (a few days trip) with me, or to go to some place wild, or whatever, and the first answer is always - "do they have vegan restaurant/food there?". Of course on the bloody mountain they do not have vegan restaurant. You will eat delicious bacon and beans and barbecued wildlife and you will like it. Any weird location freaks them out.

    Second, I believe this is a public album, you do not need Facebook account - this is me on a small island in the middle of Pacific:

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    I have spent 6 months there. There is _NO_ variety of protein available to vegans there. Seafood is a must.



    Wow, one guy on an island and it makes being a vegan unsustainable. Congrats, your changing the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Wow, one guy on an island and it makes being a vegan unsustainable. Congrats, your changing the world.
    No, but it serves as an example that vegans are pretty much dependent on the supermarket being around the corner.

    There is a reason why there are no vegan or even vegetarian civilizations and cultures found in the world, except our First World Civilization which can just pop by local supermarket and buy some food supplements.

    On the other hand, I really ADMIRE vegan folks who live on farms and can eat what they grow with their own hands.
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    No, but it serves as an example that vegans are pretty much dependent on the supermarket being around the corner.

    There is a reason why there are no vegan or even vegetarian civilizations and cultures found in the world, except our First World Civilization which can just pop by local supermarket and buy some food supplements.

    On the other hand, I really ADMIRE vegan folks who live on farms and can eat what they grow with their own hands.


    Your last statement nulls your first. Just sayin....

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    Second, I believe this is a public album, you do not need Facebook account - this is me on a small island in the middle of Pacific:

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    No, but it serves as an example that vegans are pretty much dependent on the supermarket being around the corner.

    There is a reason why there are no vegan or even vegetarian civilizations and cultures found in the world, except our First World Civilization which can just pop by local supermarket and buy some food supplements.

    On the other hand, I really ADMIRE vegan folks who live on farms and can eat what they grow with their own hands.
    India has a population of over a billion people, and 1/3 of them are vegetarian.
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    Ho boy...

    When I clicked this thread, I knew it'd be chock full of super cool and witty responses like "people eating tasty animals" and "for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three". Not only are you guys super smart, you're original, too. Why are you guys wasting your time here when you could be out setting the world afire with your brilliance? I think Adam Sandler has a few openings in his writing staff for "Jack and Jill 2".

    In all seriousness, I adopted a vegan diet late 2009 and stuck with it. My weight has gone down while my strength and stamina have gone up. I never get sick anymore.

    Make of it what you will.

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    Seitan, a wheat gluten meat, was developed by Buddhist monks over a thousand years ago. Supermarket not required. All you need is flour.
    Also, you can be a healthy vegan w/o any fake meats. If you are in a rediculuous island situation you can either plan for it (if its a vacation). Or be reasonable and eat what it takes to survive until you return to civilization. Veganism is largely a response to inhumanity in industrialised food systems anyways. You don't find them on tiny bits of land floating in the south pacific.

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    I just got back from Barbados last night... and I survived a week there. Turns out that they eat quite a bit of vegetarian style meals.
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    Welcome back brother. Was wondering where you'd gotten off to. Did you happen to bring the mountain bike( and camera)? How was the food?
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    There was no bike for this trip. My gf and I went for my brother's wedding so most of the week was already planned for us.

    The food wasn't that bad, but it wasn't excellent either. I visited a couple of really good restaurants, but most of the food on the island is geared towards using local fare cheaply. Local vegetables are a staple of every dish. Rice and pasta (macaroni pie) are also big on the island. For the carnivores, local fish (flying fish when it is in season) and pork are big. Many of the things on the island are imported (chocolate, bottled water, cheese, milk, etc.) making them hard to get and/or expensive.

    It was pretty easy for me to eat well as a vegetarian. The people are really friendly, and many were willing to adjust menu items for me. Plus, the people were very supportive of the vegetarian lifestyle there. Something that can be hard to come by in some places.
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    I live in cattle country. Ranching is the county's largest private sector employer. No factory livestock here -- the supermarkets and butcheries carry local beef. You can select the source ranch. I have little doubt I have seen my dinner previously grazing along the traIl during a ride.

    OTOH -- I really do not the source of the produce in the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbryer View Post
    I'm trying very hard to be vegan. It's not easy. Fake meat does not = vegetarian. I hate that stuff. It's nasty.

    How do the vegan's do it when you travel?

    How can we have this many non-vegans in this thread? Go troll some where else

    I use a lot of recipe's from Brenden Brazier's THRIVE books. Lots of great information there. Is anyone else using his books?
    I am bonafide meat eater.

    My brother is vegetarian.

    But I eat just about everything, vegetarian, vegan, meat....

    I did start trying Brenden Brazier's products, starting with Vega Sport stuff.... would like to incorporate more into my diet....

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    Just an update, I've been feeling like a million bucks lately. I'm faster than I've ever been on two wheels and two feet. I recently took up a kettlebell routine to balance out with all of the running and cycling. I am supplementing with a complete plant based protein powder and eating lots of avocados and nuts along with the standard food. I've never been this healthy, nor have I felt this good. Veganism has been a hit with me thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    Just an update, I've been feeling like a million bucks lately. I'm faster than I've ever been on two wheels and two feet. I recently took up a kettlebell routine to balance out with all of the running and cycling. I am supplementing with a complete plant based protein powder and eating lots of avocados and nuts along with the standard food. I've never been this healthy, nor have I felt this good. Veganism has been a hit with me thus far.




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    I started because of perceived health benefits, but when I see things like this...

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    I don't think eating meat is wrong, but factory farms are terrible, terrible places. Some people here say they love steaks, and that is fine. I just wish they would consider buying their meat from a local farmer, farmers market, ect instead of the grocery store where 90% percent of the product comes from factory farms. The meat would probably be of a better quality, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    No, but it serves as an example that vegans are pretty much dependent on the supermarket being around the corner.
    i'd like to supplement this statement with empirical and historical facts and evidence if i may.

    at 6'3" i've been vegetarian/vegan (including macro in my 20's) most of my life and primarily vegan for the last 12. i've been all over the world and have not found the statement quoted above to be true. not in the least. in fact, the poorer the nation the easier it is to be vegan because they do not have the resources to dump into such an inefficient food source (i.e. meat/dairy) nor do the poor have the resources to buy what is produced, in fact, the poorer the nation the more hearty the markets are with an abundance of fruits, grains, and veggies.

    raising meat is not only an inefficient use of resources but a poor investment as well because it does not return an increase on the protein invested into it either in quantity or quality. aside from the fact that it takes an investment of around 16 lbs. of grain to produce one pound of meat, that pound of meat is also a vastly inferior nutritionally to plant based foods both in healthy fats and proteins while being packed with carcinogens (e.g. over 300 known carcinogens form when grilling meat), unhealthy fats, high in uric acid (causes gout, kidney stones, renal distress/failure, and bone density loss when the body attempts to combat the metabolic acidosis by buffering it with calcium stores from the teeth and bones in an attempt to being the body's pH back to 7.4), and that's just the free range "healthy" meats. that's not even taking into account the gmo meats and livestock pumped full of hormones and vaccines!

    interesting to note that without government subsidies meat would be around $90/lb. but that's an entirely other topic...

    further, it's a totally fabricated myth that one needs special supplements or items that can only be gotten at a "whole foods" type store to be vegan. all you do is skip the meat and dairy aisle, and if you're smart all the processed boxed foods.

    VIOLA! it's really that easy.

    i've been all over mexico and central america and guess what? easy to be vegan. lived in bangkok thailand for a while. guess what? easy to be vegan. in fact, REEEAAAAALLLLLY easy because of all the buddhists. the entire country is very, very vegan friendly. there are vegan eateries EVERYWHERE from formal sit-down establishments to little food carts and shanties on the side of the road.

    when i was in cambodia? ditto! vietnam too. all through the mediterranean and caribbean as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Daemon[CRO
    ]There is a reason why there are no vegan or even vegetarian civilizations and cultures found in the world, except our First World Civilization which can just pop by local supermarket and buy some food supplements.
    again with all due respect i would most strongly disagree.

    ancient egyptians were primarily vegegarian/vegan. ethiopians and many african tribes were as well, and some still are. the people of the hunza valley in pakistan too, and they are among the longest living culture on the planet. in fact, the hunza valley has long been referred to as the original shangri-la.

    so the truth is that many cultures have for millennia been primarily vegetarian, consuming animal flesh (be it mammal or fish) only sparingly and/or infrequently or using a small amount of meat as a garnish or for flavoring only including the mayans, peruvians, incas, and most asian cultures (notably japanese & chinese). even the peasants throughout europe have been primarily vegetarian for thousands of years, being famous for their gruel and hearty bread.

    in fact, throughout history meat consumption has been primarily associated with affluence and wealth be they kings or titans of industry or even in biblical record. a quick study of history shows that even here in the u.s. meat did not become such a hugely consumed part of the diet until AFTER ww2. prior to that the diet was mostly grains and vegetables with the occasional, infrequent garnish of animal flesh.

    and interesting to note that throughout history the rich who ate diets high in meats and diary because they could afford to and did so to flaunt their wealth were not as healthy as the peasants, who not only lived longer but also were much more physically robust during the course of their lives PARTICULARLY in old age.

    and we still see the direct correlation between increased animal flesh/secretion consumption with stunted life span and quality of life. the "standard american diet" which is now high in animal flesh/secretions is directly correlated with disease and premature death. cultures who are primarily vegetarians, most notably asians, did not suffer from lifestyle diseases such as coronary artery disease, heart disease, diabetes, and the plethora of cancers that are rampant in america. however, as they adopt the american diet high in animal products/by-products the lifestyle diseases and premature death rate enters their culture.

    the fact is that most cancers, diabetes, heart/artery disease, kidney/renal disease, and even dimentias are lifestyle related disease brought on as a direct result of what one's diet.
    countless studies over the last 100 years (including many that span decades and follow subjects throughout their lives) have shown time and time again that vegetarians on average not only live 10-20 years longer than carnivores, but also that the rates of the above mentioned lifestyle diseases plummets as one moves closer to a wholly plant based diet.

    the evidence is there and is irrefutable. plain and simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Daemon[CRO
    ]On the other hand, I really ADMIRE vegan folks who live on farms and can eat what they grow with their own hands.
    again, not necessary to grow one's own food to be vegan or even primarily vegetarian. simply skip all the garbage in the market (animal flesh/secretions, processed foods, refined sugars). hit the produce section, the dried goods section, and read all labels before putting it into your cart.

    heck, i don't grow my own food and have found it comically easy to maintain a vegan diet all over the globe.
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    ^^^Take the time to read what monogod wrote there. An informed response.

    I'll just add that as he alluded to, historically it was only the wealthy who could afford meat at every meal and it was the wealthy who had higher rates of obesity and related health problems. In modern societies today this has largely flipped, meat is now a readily available cheap source of calories and it is the wealthy who can afford to live off of only veggies, grain etc.
    In less wealthy societies today the historic norm still prevails, it is the poor who live off of grain while the wealthy can afford to eat meat with every meal.
    Fact is that our modern society has it ass backward. Meat is not an efficient way to feed a nation, it does take 16 pounds of grain to produce a pound of meat, and a lot of calories are lost in that process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble View Post
    ^^^Take the time to read what monogod wrote there. An informed response.

    I'll just add that as he alluded to, historically it was only the wealthy who could afford meat at every meal and it was the wealthy who had higher rates of obesity and related health problems. In modern societies today this has largely flipped, meat is now a readily available cheap source of calories and it is the wealthy who can afford to live off of only veggies, grain etc.
    In less wealthy societies today the historic norm still prevails, it is the poor who live off of grain while the wealthy can afford to eat meat with every meal.
    Fact is that our modern society has it ass backward. Meat is not an efficient way to feed a nation, it does take 16 pounds of grain to produce a pound of meat, and a lot of calories are lost in that process.
    I'm not all against meat, but, yes, we certainly don't need to eat as much meat as the production output in "First World" countries might suggest. As far as I know in "olden times" the poorer people would eat meat only once a weak, or less if they were reeealy poor. I think that's about enough. You can get most of any nutritious elements from other sources.

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    Monogod crushed haters with his awesome. And to try and sway you all back to the original topic, I just made my lunch for work: sauted portobello cap in a balsamic reduction on German dark wheat with lettuce, tomato, horseradish mustard and cheese, and mayo. Kind of want to eat it now.
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    Without reading the whole thread and probably restating others comments (apologies). I bet if people had to go out and kill, gut and process their own meat we would be a huge society of veg's.

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    I was a vegetarian for about 3 years before going back to eating meat. I just missed it too much and gave in to a lack of willpower.

    It was an interesting exercise though; and not just the dietary aspect of it. It also gave me an insight into just how petty and small so many people are. I never preached, never proselytized, never tried to impact anyone else's food choices. Yet the mere fact that I chose not to eat meat made me the target of everything from eye rolling, to group ridicule, to downright hostility.

    I was constantly justifying my choice to people who would delight in trying to trip me up, thinking that if I was willing to eat this, then I had no right to choose not to eat that. Then there were the people who delighted in trying to trick me into eating meat. "Hope you enjoyed your vegetable soup because it was made with chicken stock. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"

    I also had a co-worker who thought it was funny to email me photographs of uncooked meat. Really not sure what reaction he was hoping for but he didn't get one.

    I just don't get it. I choose not to eat green beans, because I don't care for the taste. Yet, that doesn't annoy people. Why should me not eating meat get people so riled up?

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    Fueling the Vegan way (it's not half bad actually)

    I'm not generally one for shameless plugging or self-promotion, but in the spirit of the thread, I figure I could at least pass along a vegan fueling product for on-the-bike consumption. As a semi-pro level mtb. racer, I found I needed something other than bars, gummies, and gels during rides and races. So I spent ~1 year developing a product that is raw, all-natural and easy to eat. It's called CocoNutz Fuel. The product is vegan, non-GMO, and gluten-free, and utilizes coconut oil throughout to provide natural energy for a rider who needs something more than a gel / gummy. Additionally, it is in a form factor that is actually edible WHILE riding, and is dispensed from a flip top tube.

    Though I personally don't follow a strict vegan lifestyle (gotta have a hamburger every once in awhile), I found that while riding, eating something real helps to keep a settled stomach (I even down these during 1.5 - 2 hour XC races and they work great).

    So, if you want to check out the product, head on over to the website. I'm all about finding a better way to fuel during exercise, and I think that this product stands out quite nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheezy Rider View Post
    I was a vegetarian for about 3 years before going back to eating meat. I just missed it too much and gave in to a lack of willpower.

    It was an interesting exercise though; and not just the dietary aspect of it. It also gave me an insight into just how petty and small so many people are. I never preached, never proselytized, never tried to impact anyone else's food choices. Yet the mere fact that I chose not to eat meat made me the target of everything from eye rolling, to group ridicule, to downright hostility.

    I was constantly justifying my choice to people who would delight in trying to trip me up, thinking that if I was willing to eat this, then I had no right to choose not to eat that. Then there were the people who delighted in trying to trick me into eating meat. "Hope you enjoyed your vegetable soup because it was made with chicken stock. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"

    I also had a co-worker who thought it was funny to email me photographs of uncooked meat. Really not sure what reaction he was hoping for but he didn't get one.

    I just don't get it. I choose not to eat green beans, because I don't care for the taste. Yet, that doesn't annoy people. Why should me not eating meat get people so riled up?
    Here's a question, how did all those people know you were vegetarian? I work with a a guy every day for the last 3 years and just now found out he was a vegan, I just though he ate gross food. You have to go out of your way (preach) to let people know you are vegan/vegetarian.
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    Sorry dude, pretty sure the first time you go out to lunch with coworkers and ask for the substitution or removal of meat/cheese/mayo/insert animal product, people look at you like a leper, then ask, then make jokes. That's how I've seen it happen in almost every case. Maybe your workplace is special.

    Now can we please stop arguing in circles/debating the plus-minus of a veg diet and get back on topic with the sharing of yummy recipes that don't contain animal bits?
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    Made some mashed potatoes the other night that were pretty damn tasty. Used Yukon Golds, and added/mashed in some steamed cauliflower and leeks. I also added heavy cream and cheddar, but those can be left out.

    Turnips, rutabagas, parsnips are also get to add to such concoctions.
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    Has anyone tried the unsweetened original almond/coconut milk from Blue Diamond? I just bought is since they didn't have regular almond milk and man is that **** tasty! I would stick to regular almond milk or soymilk for cooking though, the coconut is a bit prominent and may leave a taste in the dish, I imagine it would be awesome in a dessert recipe.

    Dubthang: have you tried par boiling red potatoes, baking them, then mashing and seasoning them? It's a lot of work for a side but if you make a **** ton it's so worth it. It's maybe like a special occasion thing I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post

    Dubthang: have you tried par boiling red potatoes, baking them, then mashing and seasoning them? It's a lot of work for a side but if you make a **** ton it's so worth it. It's maybe like a special occasion thing I guess.
    I haven't. I did try baking slices of Yukons to dry them out, and then layering them in a dish to use as a crust for quiche. Came out amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Here's a question, how did all those people know you were vegetarian? I work with a a guy every day for the last 3 years and just now found out he was a vegan, I just though he ate gross food. You have to go out of your way (preach) to let people know you are vegan/vegetarian.
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    Sorry dude, pretty sure the first time you go out to lunch with coworkers and ask for the substitution or removal of meat/cheese/mayo/insert animal product, people look at you like a leper, then ask, then make jokes. That's how I've seen it happen in almost every case. Maybe your workplace is special.
    That's exactly what happened. I inadvertently outed myself by asking for a salad when there was no vegetarian option on the menu at a business function. I really didn't think it was a big deal but it became the focal point of the conversation for the rest of the meal with me having to defend myself and my personal choice. The people at that meal made a point of bringing it up at every future business function (Wheezy Rider's a vegetarian - smirk - ) and it snowballed from there.

    So no, I didn't go out of my way to let people know I was a vegetarian.

    But for the record, even if I had chosen to bring it up, I don't see how simply telling somebody something about yourself equates to preaching. If I tell you which football team I support, is that preaching? How about if I tell you what my musical tastes run to? Why shouldn't I be able to mention my food preferences without being accused of preaching? Why should I have to keep it a secret?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheezy Rider View Post
    That's exactly what happened. I inadvertently outed myself by asking for a salad when there was no vegetarian option on the menu at a business function. I really didn't think it was a big deal but it became the focal point of the conversation for the rest of the meal with me having to defend myself and my personal choice. The people at that meal made a point of bringing it up at every future business function (Wheezy Rider's a vegetarian - smirk - ) and it snowballed from there.

    So no, I didn't go out of my way to let people know I was a vegetarian.

    But for the record, even if I had chosen to bring it up, I don't see how simply telling somebody something about yourself equates to preaching. If I tell you which football team I support, is that preaching? How about if I tell you what my musical tastes run to? Why shouldn't I be able to mention my food preferences without being accused of preaching? Why should I have to keep it a secret?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    i'd like to supplement this statement with empirical and historical facts and evidence if i may.

    at 6'3" i've been vegetarian/vegan (including macro in my 20's) most of my life and primarily vegan for the last 12. i've been all over the world and have not found the statement quoted above to be true. not in the least. in fact, the poorer the nation the easier it is to be vegan because they do not have the resources to dump into such an inefficient food source (i.e. meat/dairy) nor do the poor have the resources to buy what is produced, in fact, the poorer the nation the more hearty the markets are with an abundance of fruits, grains, and veggies.

    raising meat is not only an inefficient use of resources but a poor investment as well because it does not return an increase on the protein invested into it either in quantity or quality. aside from the fact that it takes an investment of around 16 lbs. of grain to produce one pound of meat, that pound of meat is also a vastly inferior nutritionally to plant based foods both in healthy fats and proteins while being packed with carcinogens (e.g. over 300 known carcinogens form when grilling meat), unhealthy fats, high in uric acid (causes gout, kidney stones, renal distress/failure, and bone density loss when the body attempts to combat the metabolic acidosis by buffering it with calcium stores from the teeth and bones in an attempt to being the body's pH back to 7.4), and that's just the free range "healthy" meats. that's not even taking into account the gmo meats and livestock pumped full of hormones and vaccines!

    interesting to note that without government subsidies meat would be around $90/lb. but that's an entirely other topic...

    further, it's a totally fabricated myth that one needs special supplements or items that can only be gotten at a "whole foods" type store to be vegan. all you do is skip the meat and dairy aisle, and if you're smart all the processed boxed foods.

    VIOLA! it's really that easy.

    i've been all over mexico and central america and guess what? easy to be vegan. lived in bangkok thailand for a while. guess what? easy to be vegan. in fact, REEEAAAAALLLLLY easy because of all the buddhists. the entire country is very, very vegan friendly. there are vegan eateries EVERYWHERE from formal sit-down establishments to little food carts and shanties on the side of the road.

    when i was in cambodia? ditto! vietnam too. all through the mediterranean and caribbean as well.


    again with all due respect i would most strongly disagree.

    ancient egyptians were primarily vegegarian/vegan. ethiopians and many african tribes were as well, and some still are. the people of the hunza valley in pakistan too, and they are among the longest living culture on the planet. in fact, the hunza valley has long been referred to as the original shangri-la.

    so the truth is that many cultures have for millennia been primarily vegetarian, consuming animal flesh (be it mammal or fish) only sparingly and/or infrequently or using a small amount of meat as a garnish or for flavoring only including the mayans, peruvians, incas, and most asian cultures (notably japanese & chinese). even the peasants throughout europe have been primarily vegetarian for thousands of years, being famous for their gruel and hearty bread.

    in fact, throughout history meat consumption has been primarily associated with affluence and wealth be they kings or titans of industry or even in biblical record. a quick study of history shows that even here in the u.s. meat did not become such a hugely consumed part of the diet until AFTER ww2. prior to that the diet was mostly grains and vegetables with the occasional, infrequent garnish of animal flesh.

    and interesting to note that throughout history the rich who ate diets high in meats and diary because they could afford to and did so to flaunt their wealth were not as healthy as the peasants, who not only lived longer but also were much more physically robust during the course of their lives PARTICULARLY in old age.

    and we still see the direct correlation between increased animal flesh/secretion consumption with stunted life span and quality of life. the "standard american diet" which is now high in animal flesh/secretions is directly correlated with disease and premature death. cultures who are primarily vegetarians, most notably asians, did not suffer from lifestyle diseases such as coronary artery disease, heart disease, diabetes, and the plethora of cancers that are rampant in america. however, as they adopt the american diet high in animal products/by-products the lifestyle diseases and premature death rate enters their culture.

    the fact is that most cancers, diabetes, heart/artery disease, kidney/renal disease, and even dimentias are lifestyle related disease brought on as a direct result of what one's diet.
    countless studies over the last 100 years (including many that span decades and follow subjects throughout their lives) have shown time and time again that vegetarians on average not only live 10-20 years longer than carnivores, but also that the rates of the above mentioned lifestyle diseases plummets as one moves closer to a wholly plant based diet.

    the evidence is there and is irrefutable. plain and simple.


    again, not necessary to grow one's own food to be vegan or even primarily vegetarian. simply skip all the garbage in the market (animal flesh/secretions, processed foods, refined sugars). hit the produce section, the dried goods section, and read all labels before putting it into your cart.

    heck, i don't grow my own food and have found it comically easy to maintain a vegan diet all over the globe.
    Well said man.

    I was one of the aholes too had always had to poke at others for not eating meat. (Rather than keep my negative remarks to myself)
    Well, 7 months ago, I gave up meat and dairy, and never felt better. I maintain alkaline foods, and lost 55 pounds, ride more, further, faster, my vision has improved, and I get zero aches and pains, not even a headache in 7 months. (well, its a pain to find good meals while out and about) But I don't miss the animal flesh.

    And true about the other parts of the world. I visited Costa Rica and Panama several times and after a week being there I always felt better, even though I thought I was missing Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, and all them, but I was alway full after stopping at one of the roadside sodas and having the comida tipica.

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    Anybody here try quinoa pancakes? There are several recipes floating around on the web. Some use straight quinoa flour while others use a mix of wheat/buckwheat flour and whole cooked quinoa. I'm thinking that this may be a great powerhouse staple for breakfast.
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    In the original spirit of the thread, I figured i would give my current cravings:

    Vegan Tempeh Burrito w/Creamy Almond Sauce
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    I take this recipe and add fresh jalapeno to the filling and red pepper flakes to the sauce before blending.



    Sweet Chili Roasted Sweet Potato Spring Rolls
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    Good as is, but rice papers are a ***** to work with if the water is still really hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand/of/Midas View Post
    I am Vegi, i still eat fish however, so Pesco-Vegi is the proper term.

    I love it, i feel great, it solved some issues i had while eating meat, it uses less resources and can support larger populations, and i still go out and do 260 mile rides.
    Same here!

    Well not the 260 mile rides, but Pescetarian FTW! I feel so much better than when I was eating meat 5-6 days a week. I have only been at it for 8 months or so but I don't really see myself ever going back to that level of meat consumption. I would eat meat occasionally if it is local, organic, truely free range/grass fed etc, but still maybe every other week? once a month?

    Don't miss it at all, not even bacon!? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    If the S hit the fan, I have lots of guns and ammo and I will gladly kill an animal for food, as will my vegan wife.

    And you you assume that people who eat meat don't eat it out of luxury? Quite the opposite. A meat centric type of diet is only possible because meat ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket - the world is full of p*ssies who couldn't kill, skin and cook an animal for food with their own hands.

    This is why I respect and support hunters - these people actually have a relationship with their kill. It's a far cry from some fat lady with diabetes in a moo-moo ordering up 3 Quarter Pounders with Cheese with a milkshake at McDonalds.

    Hunters don't let their kill suffer. The death is generally swift and most hunters will pride themselves on a good, fast kill. The meat industry - they don't care if an animal suffers.

    We don't live in a apocalyptic society. We live in a rich society that allows us options. I'm a vegetarian because I don't vibe with the ethics of the meat industry. I support small farmers (who sell meat, too), fishermen and hunters. Also - all my stomach issues have gone away - doc says I'm "healthy as a horse".

    I'm not one of those bleeding heart liberals throwing paint on fur coats. I hate those causes and they don't do a good job in promoting vegetarianism as an option.

    The best compliments that I receive is "You are a vegetarian? How do you stay so muscular?"

    I ride 100 miles a week (MTB) and race cyclocross on a veggie diet, throwing in weight training in there. This diet sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachjon View Post
    QFT! Great post, couldn't agree more!
    In-short.

    Almond + blue berry + banana + oatmeal smoothies = WIN

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    Love the thread. Mostly vegetarian here, moving towards a whole foods plant based diet but I just cant give up yogurt and cheese quite yet. I have to say pre-ride gotta go smoothie. Strawberry, banana, protein powder, yogurt, apple juice, rasberries, flax seed and water. Blend to goodness and drink. For my rides I usually bring an apple and water and don't have any issues feeling wiped so far. Keep the veg recipes coming, its always nice to know there are others out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtoph View Post
    Love the thread. Mostly vegetarian here, moving towards a whole foods plant based diet but I just cant give up yogurt and cheese quite yet. I have to say pre-ride gotta go smoothie. Strawberry, banana, protein powder, yogurt, apple juice, rasberries, flax seed and water. Blend to goodness and drink. For my rides I usually bring an apple and water and don't have any issues feeling wiped so far. Keep the veg recipes coming, its always nice to know there are others out there.
    I sometimes add yogurt but for the post-workout smoothie. Before the ride I like a lighter smoothie.

    Try adding almonds to your shake! Tons of protein and vitamin E

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    I already posted in the thread once, but a change was made to the blog that is really useful. All the recipes are packed in one link, so here it is.

    Eat and Live in a way that Nourishes: Recipes

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    I've been a vegetarian for 10 years =D

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    Glad to see a vegetarian/vegan thread here. I am vegan at home, lacto-ovo when out and about (but only when there is no other option. Both DH and I feel so much better and stronger since making the switch. And I'll admit it....I think cows are adorable. Has anyone here seen the Forks over Knives documentary?

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    I have been complete plant eater since Sept 2011.
    Yes it was tough at first. Now I am used to with this lifestyle.
    I took this lifestyle mainly for health reason and compassion for animals in the factory farms.
    I am 43 years old avid mountain biker.
    I truly feel I am stronger and have gained endurance. Feel energetic.
    My wife and Kids are meat eaters....

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    Been on the ovo-lacto veggie theme of things for the past week, good stuff there!

    Before that... pretty much cut red meat out of the diet 3 years ago and spent the past six months thinking about going to a vegetarian diet before finally taking the plunge and just doing it and cutting meat out all together last week.

    It'll be interesting times for sure for the next few times and the next few years. More so that there is a tasty bbq place down the street from my apartment that smells really... really reaaaaallly good. I'm gonna go insane. Of course given some of the circumstances that have led me to alter my diet in such a way, the consequences of giving in to temptation would be not fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rho View Post
    It'll be interesting times for sure for the next few times and the next few years. More so that there is a tasty bbq place down the street from my apartment that smells really... really reaaaaallly good. I'm gonna go insane.
    I've been an ovo-lacto for 17 years. No matter what, sometimes meat just smells good. Don't deny the fact that it does, just use it as inspiration to create meals that smell just as good.
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    Ive been vegan since April 2001 and reversed a lot of serious health issues.

    My bamboo roadie is 11kg and I trump crew on 7kg carbon blingers all the time on the local bergs.



    I honestly know that my high carb low fat vegan lifestyle keeps me 'TDF lean' all year long regardless of my miles. The main thing that changes is my tan lines.



    My gf is vegan for 5 years and dropped 40lbs. This is her from last week.



    High carb vegan is literally as close as one can get to the legal EPO

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    I don't know if I could ever pull off being vegan, but props to you and your gf.
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    It's actually not that hard. It really just depends on where you draw the line of reason. I had to modify the **** out of my ideology since I couldn't draw a reasonable line. I still eat vegan and just started dating a girl who is vegan and uses the label. I don't label my diet anymore because of my line drawing issue. I wouldn't eat bread at restaurants or if it had anything that may have come from an animal; same thing with food dyes and cleaning products. I was still healthy as all get out but it was becoming a huge mental drain. Essentially, anything in the "Animal Ingredients A-Z" book was off limits in my mind and that book is stacked. Now though, I keep it in reason. Additionally, if I'm hungry and someone is throwing out food I don't care really what it is, I'll eat it. I'd rather eat it than let any foodstuff go to waste. I dislike that some of my friends eat meat/dairy when we go out and I play clean-up crew but that's just my nerosis getting to me. I have this problem with our waste generation as a society too, so I generally try to dumpster as much of my food as possible. You'd be surprised how much ripe food is in there. And food that is ripe and still good; thrown out for no other reason than to make room for the new shipment of food. It kills me. I've been dumpstering since 2006 and there's never a time where I couldn't find enough food to feed myself and a houseful of people. We'd have leftovers most of the time from dinner plus unused veggies for the meals the next whole week. There was eight of us living in the house.

    Not sure where I was goin with this bushleaguery but yeah. Not too hard as long as you stay on your game.

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    Great thread, glad it's going strong. I was a veg for around 7 years then went off for a while, now I'm getting back to it.

    I'm not surprised to see the usual "people eating tasy animals" and "for every one you don't eat, I'll eat three". Same tired comments from the tired comment playbook.

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    Going vegan is like riding a bike. It looks scarier than it is lol!

    I think we can all remember when cycling was 'no way man!'.

    I remember when I was 8 and too scared to ride out of the saddle. I remember saying to myself 'riding in the saddle is fine, no need to stand up..' That was back in 1985 and I can even remember what street it was on.

    Funny how we change. When I learned how bad eating animals is for our health and the environment I went vegan over night.

    A quick google search will show literally a few hundred thousand vegan recipes. Not to mention all the vegan options at resturants thesedays. Heck even junk food places like Taco Bell serve vegan dishes! lol!

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    I don;t know what took me so long but I recently discovered Kale. I didn't know how to prepare it, so I've ignored this vitamin rich food
    This salad is currently one of my favs"

    Basic Recipe
    4-6 cups kale, loosely packed, leaves only remove stems and centre ribs
    - of the juice from 1 lemon OR 1/3 of the juice of a ruby red grapefruit
    cup tahini
    3-4 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
    2 cloves garlic, mashed (optional)
    salt & pepper, to taste
    hot red pepper flakes, to taste

    Instructions
    1. Whisk together lemon juice, tahini, olive oil, (garlic), salt, pepper, and a generous pinch (or more to taste) of hot red pepper flakes.
    2. Pour over kale in serving bowl and toss well.
    3. Let kale sit for at least 10 minutes * so that the lemon juice softens the leaves.

    * Note this salad can be made hours/day before eating so that the kale leaves will be soft and tender.

    Options for Salad
    add nuts, or avocado, shredded carrots, vegetarians may add parmesan Asiago cheese etc

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    Much of my diet focuses on all natural or organic foods. It's pretty shocking to me how disgusting commercial foods have become.
    I'm not so sure I'd fall into the vegetarian category (though I have significantly lowered my meat intake), but I will NOT eat chicken. Why? Because almost all chicken in the US contains arsenic, put into the feed so it will make them look "fatter" and "juicier" - and arsenic is used to pressure treat wood. The FDA recently admitted this, and they're actually encouraging you to eat more of it! Yeesh!!

    A staple drink in my diet is tea...not really green tea, but lots of black tea and other herbal blends. Black tea can lower triglyceride levels by 40%, greatly reducing risk of heart disease - just three cups a day . It can also prevent type 2 diabetes. And the kicker - just a cup of Black tea a day can dramatically reduce risk of Parkinson's disease by as much as 71%.
    Choice Organic Teas, Tazo, Twinings, and Celestial have incredible blends .
    The good news is that more people are switching to healthier diets than ever before, and the demand for all-natural and organic foods has increased considerably. More and more people are shopping at natural/health food stores and farmers' markets.
    We have a good future ahead of us .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    I don;t know what took me so long but I recently discovered Kale. I didn't know how to prepare it, so I've ignored this vitamin rich food
    I love kale and other greens. To me the best way to cook them is at a medium temperature at the end of stir frying other vegetables. Contrary to what so many people in the south say, I think the best way to make it tasty is to just barely cook it...maybe 5 min in a pot of steaming food. You can see the color change as it cooks, and you want to stop it while its still bright green. When its overcooked (i.e., the southern way) it turns a darker yellowish green and tastes bitter to me.

    Kale and chard are my favorite, we put them in pretty much any dish to add some texture and more nutrition.

    I'm also a huge fan of tempeh. Just sautee it on medium high in some oil until its golden. it works great on a grill too, and drop it in bbq sauce for a good veggie option at cook-outs.

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    I like kale chips. I made them once and it was heaven. Super prone to turning into a bunch of powdered kale but it's still tasty.

    When I get my apartment at the end of August I'm having a vegan biscuits and gravy cook-off. I have a banging idea for a recipe. It's on the hush for now just in case it sucks but I'll definitely post pictures when it happens.

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    Inspired by this thread, I tried making my own seitan.

    It came out well, but the resulting methane explosions were a serious biohazard. It is with regret that I take seitan off my menu.

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