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    Quote Originally Posted by Orthoguy View Post
    That's awesome Pequin, good luck on your goals!
    Thanks, Orthoguy; I appreciate that.

    Got my bike today and went for a ride. Wow, it's been a looong time! I had just about forgotten how, though conventional wisdom has it that that's theoretically impossible.

    Scrolling back to post #366 I see you're my kind of doc. If my doc talked and acted like you do I'd probably still be going to him. Alas, he's basically a liaison between "big pharma," expensive specialists, and the patient though.

    A Granny Smith apple and a carrot in the mix tone down dog butt tremendously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCraft View Post
    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?
    To be honest I switched about 4 years ago and I haven't noticed any change at all. You could look at that one of two ways -

    a) my perforce hasn't magically increased since becoming a twig muncher (Except i never get sick any more.) but more importantly....

    b) it HASN'T DECREASED in any way either.

    Purely anecdotal but take it how you will.


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    OK, on topic here:

    Masoor Dal - Red Lentil Soup

    1 cup red lentils, rinsed
    4 cups water or vegetable stock
    1/4 tsp turmeric
    1 1/2 tsp cumin powder (comino)
    2 medium tomatoes, peeled & chopped (I used Ro-tel for the extra chili peppers, but fresh is always healthier than canned)
    2 tsp salt (I reduced this to 1 tsp, and it still tasted great)
    1 serrano pepper, chopped
    1/4 cup cilantro (fresh coriander leaves), chopped
    2 tsp lemon juice
    10 curry leaves (I chopped them slightly, but the recipe does not specify this)

    Fry curry leaves in a Tb. of oil until fragrant, about 1 minute
    Add water/stock and lentils; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer 20 mins.
    Add turmeric, cumin, and tomatoes
    Cook 10 mins. more
    Add salt, chilis, lemon juice, and cilantro, and mix well

    Goes great with rice, quinoa, or just by itself. This is the best tasting thing I've eaten since "going veggie," I believe.

    Note: Only thing is, the curry leaves might be hard to find, I have no idea. My neighbor provided them; I don't know where she got them. I'm guessing Whole Foods has them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceCraft View Post
    Anyone been carnivore and turned veg and seen a change in their performance? Or vice versa?
    Vice versa. A college experiment years ago. 54 non-jock students went vegan for six weeks. Everything we ate was supplied by the study. The majority saw a decrease in the battery of physical tests given. When meat was re-introduced into our diet test scores improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Vice versa. A college experiment years ago. 54 non-jock students went vegan for six weeks. Everything we ate was supplied by the study. The majority saw a decrease in the battery of physical tests given. When meat was re-introduced into our diet test scores improved.
    Interesting......6 weeks isn't a very long time though. It takes longer than that for most people to "de-tox" so to speak with a massive change in diet like going straight from standard omni diet to vegan there would be a fairly large shock on the body as it adjusts. Not really ideal conditions for testing - but I'm sure your not claiming otherwise. Do you know what the purpose of the study was, or who was conducting it by any chance? You've piqued my interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1kk0 View Post
    Interesting......6 weeks isn't a very long time though. It takes longer than that for most people to "de-tox" so to speak with a massive change in diet like going straight from standard omni diet to vegan there would be a fairly large shock on the body as it adjusts. Not really ideal conditions for testing - but I'm sure your not claiming otherwise. Do you know what the purpose of the study was, or who was conducting it by any chance? You've piqued my interest
    Complete BS science. Your body doesn't detox mostly for 7 years! I 3 weeks I felt better but it was years before I started really knowing some of the advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    Complete BS science. Your body doesn't detox mostly for 7 years! I 3 weeks I felt better but it was years before I started really knowing some of the advantages.
    Yeah, I didn't really go through any kind of de-tox, I feel great having been veg for 4+ years though.


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    One of the big things you'll notice when you change to a greener diet is the changes to your skin. It's been my experience that when somebody commits to a green diet they will notice improvements in their skin in three to six weeks. The skin is the largest organ in the body so it may be that it is a general representation of general systemic improvement.
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

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    I lost 150lbs in 2 years when I went vegetarian, then vegan. I gained back 50 over 3 years when I went back to omni, but it seems like the majority will never come back.

    I need to get back on track with it. I felt better than I had my entire life! I also had a lot of flexibility in my life that I don't have now. There certainly is a complexity that is added, mostly related to planning. The cost is really only upfront stocking the pantry (and I have kept the pantry stocked with healthy vegan essentials as an after affect, which is why I didn't gain everything back).

    If nothing else, even going partially vegan teaches extremely good eating habits that will make even omni diets healthier. For those who can't go full vegan, I would still recommend doing 3 days a week vegan, for the health benefits and for teaching overall healthy eating habits. I have gotten my best friend into this as well, who is about to finish her degree in nutrition. She is omni, and has never gone full vegan, but spends a lot of time learning and creating vegan dishes. She hopes to start a small business with menu planning and cooking with a strong foundation in vegan foods to promote healthy lifestyles. I support her 100% and share all my recipes with her, and vice versa

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    Going Vegan and losing 50 pounds made m a hellava lot faster on the bike especially on hills.
    Losing 50 pounds reduced the wear and tear on my ankles, knees and feet where my aches and pains from my job literally went away in six months.

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    I don't know how I never checked out this part of the forums before!

    Just wanted to chime in...
    I've been vegan for over 15 years and veg for even longer.

    If anyone needs any recipes or has questions then please drop me a line.

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    Soon after eliminating animal products 20 years ago, my riding and mental endurance improved a lot, flues became rare, and after a couple years flues only have occurred every 2 or 3 years lasting for a few days to a week of symptoms and no more seasonal flu-like allergy symptoms. As if I became 20 years younger in energy.

    Previously since early childhood I had suffered a lifetime of frequent flues and colds 3 or 4 times per year, each lasting 6 weeks or longer, and increasing seasonal flu like allergies.

    Vegan at home, I'll accept occasional dairy or egg when served by others. But I get a flu like feeling for a day when I eat a larger portion of dairy or egg, or if there is a little meat hidden in a serving.

    Vegan sure is best for me. And there's so many more flavor options.

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    Could we start a thread that strictly talks about vegan/veggie recipes for on/off the bike. I get it, I use to make fun of vegans when I ate meat.

    For jokes I have numerous outlets, I'm actually just trying to find recipes or suggestions for on the bike eating, recovery, etc.

    I'll add something.....I tried hemp protein and compared to what I use to eat (whey) it's TERRIBLE. How do people like rice protein?
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    I actually switched to hemp protein from soy once I figured out how to make it tasty

    The base I use is vanilla almond milk (the sweetened stuff) and a banana, blend with the hemp powder and ice to make a shake or just shake with ice (but the texture is funky). You can add more flavor and sweetness with a couple tablespoons of that Torani syrup for cocktails and coffee. I tried other fruit with limited success... the banana was all I found that actually tasted alright with the hemp.

    Play with the recipe a bit using the base. I like it enough that I drink it just like that.

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    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
    It's not that bad, in fact I have come to like the taste. With that being said it is different and I would mix it with juice or put it into a smoothie. The cool thing with spirulina is that it is 60-65%% protein and unlike whey it's also considered a super food. Give it a shot Pequin, how bad could it be?

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    Re: Vegetarian and Vegan Passion

    Quote Originally Posted by pequin View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like I may stay away from the hemp protein for the time being - I can't add all that sweet stuff, for health reasons. I've been trying whey, and it seems OK. The one I'm using is 365 brand, sweetened with stevia. Not vegan of course, but I'm not too worried about that. Some day I might be, but not yet.

    What about spirulina for taste, etc.? I've yet to try it. I'd hate to buy a $20 drum of it just to find out it tastes like how I imagine pond scum would. It is something akin to pond scum, right? lol
    Tried spirulina and hated it. Spent almost $20 on the bottle, kept it in the fridge for months before tossing it. Wanted to like it but just couldn't.

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    Vegetarian and Vegan Passion

    Sprulina is hard to take in a smoothie unless you doctor it up a lot. I take it in pill form....chlorella and sprulina mixed.

    I have come to really enjoy the hemp protein. All I add is 1 banana, ice water and some cinnamon and it taste fine to me. I mix 2 tbsp of hemp and 2 tbsp of pea protein for my shakes. My post training shakes consist of a lot more stuff.

    I tried some whey I had in the cabinet not too long ago (after being vegan for 8 months) and I couldn't stand it. It tasted too man made, artificial I guess. I have found the longer and healthier I eat, the worse my old foods taste to me.

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    I buy spirulina in tablet form and take 4 before rides. It and Wolfberries are the only health foods I've tried that actually make a difference in my energy level and how I feel.
    Didn't like trying to put it in capsules from powder form.
    Been a vege since 1973.
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    Adding more fuel to the fire. I have been vegetarian for over 12 years now. No meat, chicken fish etc. BUT I did eat a lot of cheese, milk, eggs and I love ice cream to no end! BUT I am going more "radical" in my diet now that I have spent some time researching diet.
    From what I have been reading we don't need that much protein in our diet. Our biggest problem is too much protein and protein affects our kidneys lowers our calcium levels and produces cancer.
    People are herbivores based upon their bodies, mouths, teeth and long intestinal track. Our long intestinal track filled with meat is not natural. It is designed to digest fruits and vegetables.
    People take calcium supplements but a new study has come out to say it is not effective. It appears that it is not effective because of the excess protein most people take in is stripping our bodies of calcium.
    The lowest lived people are those that consume a lot of meat like Eskimos. The longest lived people are those who are on a diet mostly of vegetables and fruit.
    Back in 1976 when queried one of the heads of a cancer institute said that diet probably contributed towards 50 percent of cancers. When asked why only 1% of his funding was going towards nutrition, he said I often wonder about that (or something to that effect) Too much money is going to be left on the table if they find a cure for cancer, which given our diet they will probably never do.
    Even given my imperfect diet to date, I hardly ever get sick unlike when I used to eat meat. I would get a cold that would leave me hacking for a month or more.
    I lost an eye to cancer around 30 years ago so I know what a bummer it is to get cancer.

    Here is a pretty good link on vegetarianism and vegan-ism including some recipes!
    This link I am giving you speaks about how doctors generally know little about nutrition and life expectancy of people with different diets.
    http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/...a.html#doctors

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    richwolf,

    there's a lot of emerging evidence that carbs accelerate aging, especially simple carbs or their dietary equivalent. One can't cut back on more than one macronutrient at a time. We can definitely be sure that there are lots of healthy plant fats out there that are not to be avoided.

    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved. It is a logical fallacy to argue that we must be best off eating the diet that we were eating during eons of evolution. This is exactly the argument made by the stone age diet followers who are definitely not vegetarian. It could be true, but b/c we evolved to eat it doesn't mean it's best for us by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    richwolf,

    there's a lot of emerging evidence that carbs accelerate aging, especially simple carbs or their dietary equivalent. One can't cut back on more than one macronutrient at a time. We can definitely be sure that there are lots of healthy plant fats out there that are not to be avoided.

    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved. It is a logical fallacy to argue that we must be best off eating the diet that we were eating during eons of evolution. This is exactly the argument made by the stone age diet followers who are definitely not vegetarian. It could be true, but b/c we evolved to eat it doesn't mean it's best for us by any means.
    PG,

    Interesting. Well I guess I shouldn't have said designed since that is a whole other can of worms!
    Since I am just in the first steps of doing diet research I would be interested in hearing more about this carb theory.

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    For those having issues with hemp protein, try hemp hearts instead. They have a nuttier flavor and more protein than the crushed hemp plant that makes up most powdered hemp protein. Texture is very similar to a smoothie with oatmeal ground into it or kinda like a strawberry smoothie with all of the little seeds in the mix. Not for fans of perfectly homogenous smoothies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    And our digestive tract wasn't designed, it evolved.
    your opinion is respected, but please don't present it as fact as it opens up a whole other can of worms for a host of reasons including but not limited to:


    • other people feel just as strongly about their beliefs/opinions as you do so it begs for reply/defense/confrontation.
    • some people may take offense to being bluntly told they're wrong just as you might were the situation reversed.
    • simply saying that our digestive tract is designed as herbivorous doesn't necessarily imply that one believes in intelligent design or evolution, so there's no need to start preaching/defending/ballyhooing the theory of evolution.
    • your statement is not fact as there is no concrete evidence to back it up.
    • it could be suggested and well argued that from the standpoints of both simple and complex science/research/logic (along with mathematical probability) that the intricately complex individual bodily systems (digestive, respiratory, lymphatic, renal, cardiovascular, etc.) combined with their requisite symbiotic nature actually suggest and give far more evidence to an intelligent design than random and/or gradual evolution.


    that being said, irrespective of the nature of design (I.D. or evolution) it is irrefutable that the human G.I. tract's functional construct design from lips to anus is herbivore.

    please don't view this as an invitation or attempt to debate the issue of I.D. vs. evolution. i'm not attacking your opinion nor should you feel the need to defend it. i'm merely pointing out that simply stating an opinion doesn't make it fact, and i'm suggesting it not be presented as such.

    as for carbs accelerating aging keep in mind that the body's functional design (irrespective of origin) is to use carbs as it's main energy source. however, all carbs are not created equal (pun intended) in that there are both "good" and "bad" carbs -- so i'd like to see that research as well. while there seems to be plenty of research over the last few decades that "bad" carbs have a detrimental impact on the human body i've yet to see any research that suggests "good" carbs (i.e. those from a plant based diet) that the body is designed to run on are simultaneously detrimental to it.
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