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    Milk...Do I Really Need it?

    Is the regular or no fat milk preferred before a ride?

    How about the almond milk?

    I'm assuming the body prefers low or no fat foods.

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    Do you have a weight problem? Are you lactose intolerant?

    If no, then drink whole milk.

    If you need to control calories then switch to low- or no fat. The body needs some dietary fat.

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    i'd skip milk before, and pound it afterward. if i drink much beforehand, i burp a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    i'd skip milk before, and pound it afterward. if i drink much beforehand, i burp a lot.
    Thanks, Yeah, not that I'm lactose intolerant but I figured there'd be some side affects drinking it beforehand, I burp as it is with water possibly from swallowing air & water while I ride.

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    No. You never need cow milk. No one does. I like almond milk, soy if I have to, never tried rice milk.
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    ha, ha, noone ever needs almond, soy, or rice milk either. i knew this thread would end up here.

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    Haha, I know you don't need those milks either but they're better for you and a decent substitute if you must have a milk like drink.
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    You do not need to drink milk.
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    Vanilla almond milk because it taste great, and makes a good protein shake also.
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    Almond milk all the way... and your body DOES need fat. Low and non-fat stuff is horrible for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    No. You never need cow milk. No one does. I like almond milk, soy if I have to, never tried rice milk.
    This. Humans are the only animals that drink milk after adolescence. If you need dairy, drink some kefir or eat some yogurt.

    Almond milk is awesome for smoothies, so is rice milk or soy milk. Soy tends to be fattier.

    Your body needs fat, vitamins and minerals bond to fatty oils and make them easier to digest and enter your system. You can get good fatty oils from coconut oil, nut butter (do better than peanut butter, try almond, cashew, or sunflower seed butter), avocado, etc.

    It's really good to mix a tablespoon of nut butter and coconut oil in with your protein shakes. The fatty oils help the nutrients get into your system more efficiently on the back end and the oils also give the powder something to bind to in your drink so you get less chalky/powdery texture.

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    I just drink either almond milk or soy milk. MUCH more healthy than cow milk!!!

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    What is your purpose here? Are you looking for a protein boost before a ride?

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    Milk before a ride? Sounds like the worst thing possible too me, it will give you cramps like nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    I just drink either almond milk or soy milk. MUCH more healthy than cow milk!!!
    It is true humans are the only mammals that drink milk as an adult. We also are the only mammals that eat foods imported from other regions of the world, have a year around selection of a wide variety of foods, the only animal that cooks their food, and converts plants into milk substitutes. Because we have a choice and the technology.

    Human milk would be preferred, but as adults it is rather hard to come by. So cow and goat milk are common substitutes. By careful selective breeding cow milk is actually closer in composition to human milk than it was a century ago, but it is still not a perfect replacement.

    Many adults cannot digest milk. Our genes are programmed to turn off production of the lactase enzyme sometime after puberty, so lactose intolerance is common in adults. Also common is a genetic mutation that does NOT turn off lactase so those with the mutation are able to consume milk all their lives. I am one of those lucky people. Others just have the lactase enzyme production reduced, so they can still drink milk in reduced amounts if they are careful.

    Milk is considered one of the most nutrient dense of foods. It is not only a protein source, but also an excellent source of calcium, magnesium, B vitamins, and carbs. All in the ideal ratios. As you may or may not be aware, nutrients do not work alone in the body, they work in synergy with other nutrients, and optimum function comes when the nutrients are in proper ratios to each other (which is why supplements seldom work – they deliver massive amounts of a single nutrient without the corresponding synergists). Real foods have the proper ratios, our bodies evolved to need the nutrient amounts, combinations, and ratios found in nature. Processed foods usually do not. The milk substitutes are by definition processed foods.

    Public health specialists were puzzled in recent years by the increase in the U.S. of the disease called Kwashiorkor – relatively common in third world countries and historically rare in the U.S. It is a protein deficiency. After many studies one of the contributing factors was identified as the increase of soy, rice and almond milk by children. Although these milk substitutes have adequate protein by previous understandings of nutrition, they lack the enzymes found in animal milk. Switch the kids back to real milk and the disease went away. Since then, the various manufacturers began fortifying their milk substitutes with additives to make it more like real milk. High protein consumption also spill calcium and magnesium in the urine (read: bone density loss). These minerals are found in milk, so the ca/mg loss is counteracted. To be fair with all inclusion, the increase of soda pop and processed fruit juices were also identified as contributing factors to kwashiorkor. (Ignore the wild claims about trans-fat and HFCS – soda pop, especially colas, is the real ‘poison’ in the American diet, even those with real sugar).

    So you can get by without drinking cow or goat milk. Drink the milk substitutes, take a calcium and magnesium supplement, add some store bought whey protein powder, eat lots of cruciferous vegetables (not a bad idea anyway), and you will be OK. Or you can throw a glass or two of real milk into your daily diet a lot cheaper and a lot easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    It is true humans are the only mammals that drink milk as an adult. We also are the only mammals ...
    We are also the only mammals that RIDE BIKES. Woo hoo!

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    Well said.

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    Can't remember the last time I've had milk. It tastes vile and nasty to me. I do like Ice cream though.

    Rarely drink plain water either.

    Coke Zero, a smooth root-beer, or red bull are my drinks of choice....

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    For many years I led an unhealthy lifestyle of poor diet and lack of exercise. Six years ago I discovered mtnbiking and every year since has been a progression of better fitness,diet and lifestyle. Over the last 2 yearsa I've significantly increased my time in the gym and on the bike and I find myself drinking more and more milk. It's great fuel. Also as has been documented many times its a perfect recovery drink. I have a nice big glass of chocolate milk post ride and I swear it has made a difference in my bodies ability to recover.

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    Raw, organic milk is healthy. Otherwise, it's absolutely disgusting stuff.

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    I drink raw (whole) milk from the farm down the road. It's good for ME. I'm not sure what is good for you.

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    Drink chocolate milk. Helps with muscle recovery and taste good. Stay away from the soy milk.

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    yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfhausen View Post
    Drink chocolate milk. Helps with muscle recovery and taste good. Stay away from the soy milk.
    A growing body of medical literature suggests men should limit their soy consumption. No problems reported for women, just men.

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    i have not physically drank milk since i was about 10. im 24, i hate the taste of milk. the only time i have milk is if its mixed with something like ice cream. if i have cereal i literally pour my milk out of my spoon between each bite. i really should drill a hole in my spoons -_-


    anyways. it is my personal opinion that u do not need milk because i am healthy. granted, i eat tons of cheese
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    now, you take my gf who drinks almond milk, soy milk, regular milk and she is also about as healthy as i am
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    who said anything about taking your girlfriend? that is just wrong. we would not do that.

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    Yeah, don't do Dairy at home at all!! (I do eat eggs at home, which most people think ARE Dairy, but they are not)-----I drink Silk 'Unsweetened Vanilla' Almond Milk at home for the Calcium..

    But when I eat out (burgers, Philly Cheesesteaks in 'Philly' I always get Xtra Cheese------)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    who said anything about taking your girlfriend? that is just wrong. we would not do that.
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    As Lewis Black said "There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. But they couldn't sell soy juice, so they called it soy milk. Because anytime you say soy juice, you actually... start to gag. And they put Soy Milk in with my Moo-Cow **** milk, and it doesn't belong there, because we all know there's no such thing as Soy milk 'cause there's no soy titty, is there?"

    Soy Juice?
    Almond Juice?
    Rice Juice?

    None sound so good now eh?..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbussiere View Post
    As Lewis Black said "There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. But they couldn't sell soy juice, so they called it soy milk. Because anytime you say soy juice, you actually... start to gag. And they put Soy Milk in with my Moo-Cow **** milk, and it doesn't belong there, because we all know there's no such thing as Soy milk 'cause there's no soy titty, is there?"

    Soy Juice?
    Almond Juice?
    Rice Juice?

    None sound so good now eh?..
    It's not really juice. It really is the milk that comes off the grains when they soak and begin to sprout. Juice is what you get when you remove the fibers from fruits, or crush them to oblivion and drain the liquid out.

    Soy consumption is a myth, the worry is phytoestrogens mimicking estrogen cells and blocking hormone receptors but the amount of soy you would have to consume to have an effect is way above the amount that any rational person would eat.

    Milk is whack, yogurt is great. Kefir (drinkable yogurt) is best.

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    Soy consumption is a myth, the worry is phytoestrogens mimicking estrogen cells and blocking hormone receptors but the amount of soy you would have to consume to have an effect is way above the amount that any rational person would eat.
    --Don't know about this one.. I read this article in Men's Health a little while ago, this guy was an Army Intelligence Captain (something like that)---he drank a glass a day and turned into a woman!!

    Soy's Negative Effects | Men's Health

    --5 years ago I drank Silk Soy milk, and it did something!! I have an extremely dry scalp and had a dermatologist tell me years ago the only cure for that was to take female hormone's!! And All I know is that my scalp was fine while drinking soymilk years ago!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    --Don't know about this one.. I read this article in Men's Health a little while ago, this guy was an Army Intelligence Captain (something like that)---he drank a glass a day and turned into a woman!!

    Soy's Negative Effects | Men's Health

    --5 years ago I drank Silk Soy milk, and it did something!! I have an extremely dry scalp and had a dermatologist tell me years ago the only cure for that was to take female hormone's!! And All I know is that my scalp was fine while drinking soymilk years ago!!
    Did you even read the article? It complies with what I said, in moderate doses soy does not cause any risk. Every symptom that they describe is for the population that eats the most amount of soy a day. That military officer claimed to drink 3 quarts of soy milk a day, thats a ton. Other claims involve individuals eating a pound of tofu regularly each day. Again, more tofu than the you should consume. Everything in moderation.

    Large scale intake of lactose can wreak havoc on the intestines too, since our body is not designed to process it outside of childhood development. This is why a lot of people are ditching soy and whey proteins when trying to bulk up.

    If you're really worried about your soy intake, you'd better be on a complete free-range organic diet with no processed or canned foods. You'd be really surprised how often food companies slip in TVP (essentially dried tofu) in as a meat filler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Did you even read the article? It complies with what I said, in moderate doses soy does not cause any risk. Every symptom that they describe is for the population that eats the most amount of soy a day. That military officer claimed to drink 3 quarts of soy milk a day, thats a ton. Other claims involve individuals eating a pound of tofu regularly each day. Again, more tofu than the you should consume. Everything in moderation.

    Large scale intake of lactose can wreak havoc on the intestines too, since our body is not designed to process it outside of childhood development. This is why a lot of people are ditching soy and whey proteins when trying to bulk up.

    If you're really worried about your soy intake, you'd better be on a complete free-range organic diet with no processed or canned foods. You'd be really surprised how often food companies slip in TVP (essentially dried tofu) in as a meat filler.
    Protein Bars?
    I had this same discussion with 247 a few months ago. Good responses on your part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    I just drink either almond milk or soy milk. MUCH more healthy than cow milk!!!
    Well, it depends on what you and other mean by healthy. Humans don't "need" milk from other animals to thrive. Nice to have though.

    Both product categories are on average processed beyond nutritional recognition and in some cases supplemented, so IMHO, it's fair to call both pretty low in a range of nutritional density.

    Calories? sure. Plenty in both. Look at the sugar/fat content in the non-dairy beverages sometime. Lots of both in many of them.

    Enjoying both categories in moderation is going to lead to good results. Change the diet up a little and try sticking to one or the other for a while and see what happens.

    I enjoy raw cow's milk and goat's milk when I take the time to get it. The flavor varies and is intense compared to homogenized/pasteurized milk but I'm not kidding myself that it is nutritious. Better still, raw cream. Raw cream is unbelievable.... It's worth finding. Straus Dairy used to sell raw cream through Whole Foods. It was a tiny bottle, but the flavor is so intense no one needs much. Worth every penny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbussiere View Post
    As Lewis Black said "There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. But they couldn't sell soy juice, so they called it soy milk....
    Soy Juice?
    Almond Juice?
    Rice Juice?

    None sound so good now eh?..
    I find it interesting when people say they are going vegetarian and avoiding those evil processed foods, and then put tvp and soy "milk" into their diets.

    That said, if I suddenly couldn't process lactose, I'd put soy or almond juice on my milk without a second thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    A growing body of medical literature suggests men should limit their soy consumption. No problems reported for women, just men.
    I've read that soy products are considered to be slightly anti-thyroid so I avoid it. I don't have thyroid problems but hypothyroidism runs in my family. My digestive system does not like soy either, another reason to stay away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    I find it interesting when people say they are going vegetarian and avoiding those evil processed foods, and then put tvp and soy "milk" into their diets.

    That said, if I suddenly couldn't process lactose, I'd put soy or almond juice on my milk without a second thought.
    Soy milk and TVP are not heavily processed. Look up the procedure for making tofu and nut milks. Tofu is no more processed than homemade cheese or yogurt, it's just bean curd, the same as you have cheese/dairy curds that are nutrient rich in cottage cheese or whole cheese curd form. TVP is just shredded/dehydrated tofu.

    Nut milks, and soy byproducts are pretty easy to make in your own kitchen with basic appliances.

    So much misinformation floating in this thread . . . I'm not even big into tofu/soy products, just want to get correct information out.


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    I've read that soy products are considered to be slightly anti-thyroid so I avoid it. I don't have thyroid problems but hypothyroidism runs in my family. My digestive system does not like soy either, another reason to stay away from it.
    Here's a good reason to ditch the soy. The phytoestrogens can wreak havoc if you have an existing or potential hormonal imbalance due to a medical disorder, surgery, or medication.

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    Milk from cows is designed to turn a 60 lb calf into a 600 lb cow in the short window of 6 months. It is densely loaded with nutrients and hormones that are great for COWS, not people. Drink at your own risk.

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    Milk turned me from a 60 lb calf to a 600 lb cow. I'd be much happier turning into a soy stalk, too bad I didn't drink soy milk.
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    Drop the milk, drop all the dairy. Go Paleo!
    Don't drink soy either. Drink almond milk or coconut milk.
    Check out why by reading from Home or Mark's Daily Apple or www.chriskresser.com or Primal Body-Primal Mind | Beyond The Paleo Diet

    When you do the research you'll find that dairy & soy is really not good for your gut or liver, milk is really for infants and baby bovines to help them grow fast. Once a certain maturity is reached, dairy should be avoided all together.
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    People that have actually done the research know the paleo fad is just junk pseudoscience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    People that have actually done the research know the paleo fad is just junk pseudoscience.
    Uh, yeah that's funny. Only 2.5 million years of "pseudoscience". How do you think the human race made it this far?
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    If I'm going to drink rice, I prefer horchata. I had rice milk once and it didn't agree with my stomach. Horchata isn't great either, but it tastes so good!

    I'm allergic to soy, so no worries about eating too much of that. I might be allergic to almonds too.

    I can't remember the last time I drank a glass of plain milk, but I have milk in my cereal almost every morning.
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    horchata, for the win.

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    I know lots of old "healthy" people who have drank cow's milk virtually every day of their lives. I'm willing to bet they wouldn't be any better off had they drank soy or some type of nut milk instead. There are upsides and downsides to most everything we put in our bodies. We are always reading that "the latest study" says eat "this", "the latest study" says eat "that". It all just goes in circles. If you like cow milk then drink the stuff. Quit worrying and live your life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    People that have actually done the research know the paleo fad is just junk pseudoscience.
    I'm with Cutbert here.

    Starting the Paleo diet for my daughter and I was a life changing experience for both of us. Neither of us realized how shitty we actually felt before making the change.

    The rash on my back that I have had for years disappeared.
    The diagnosed "eczema" on my daughters arms and neck disappeared.
    My seasonal allergies have mostly disappeared.
    My blood pressure dropped.
    I ride faster, longer, taking in less fuel during rides.
    I dropped 7 lbs in the first 2 weeks of the diet

    I fell off the diet for a week while on vacation and the rash came back, the allergies came back, and 5 lbs came back (no, I didn't overeat 17500 kCal in a week).

    People who have actually given the diet a chance know it is not a fad or pseudoscience. You can bash it with research and statistics all you want, but I know for a fact, with data, that it is the dietary lifestyle that works best for my daughter and I. ...(added)... If it's a fad or pseudoscience, why does it work for us so well?

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    Drop the milk, drop all the dairy. Go Paleo!
    Don't drink soy either. Drink almond milk
    At Home, I do this Exactly!! But i do eat convntial processed food when I eat out (mostly wing nights though and beer)---

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    The diagnosed "eczema" on my daughters arms and neck disappeared
    99% of the Eczema I would get on my forehead and nose are gone now---since I started Paleo (and Organic Steel cut oats for weekly breakfast)--weekends its eggs only....

    ---It was cool when I started MTB'ing 3 years ago cause I would go to work and blame the Eczema on my bike helment making a rash!!!

    --I even put Organic Apple Cider Vinegar in my morning water on the weekdays---That is extremely helpful!!!! Along with my Organic Blackstaff Molases (which I out on my Natural Fruit bars---cause I had to cut out the Frozen Yogurt with all that sugar and chemicals)-----AGAIN that is at home.. If I go out I will have Rita's cones, etc... But that is about once a week only....

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