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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard View Post
    I am currently taking andro gel however it has no effects at all. nada nothing at all.
    I have read posts about people getting an instant improvement. I guess some do but the doctors I have talked with say you might feel some improvement in about a week or two but it takes one to two months to realize full benefit. I have been on gel for a month and have noticed an improvement in overall energy level but that is about it - so far it has done little to help me scratch porn star off my bucket list. You need to get tested after 30-60 days to see if it is actually raising your levels - you may need a larger dose.

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    I'm actually going in weekly for injections. Just starting second month. I live in the Phoenix, AZ area. And with temps hitting 110-115 daily lately what I've really noticed is recovery has really gotten a lot better. Before starting injections I could barely ride with 2 days off. This week I'm gonna try 2 days in a row. For reference I'm 43 and my tes levels were 186 before injections. Last blood test showed levels at 810. What a difference it's made in my riding lately. I'm a happy camper.

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    Since this thread was awakened by a spammy post I figured I'd update my experience. Got in with a good Endocrinologist. When he saw my old blood work from when this all started with my Primary Doc, he said with numbers that low, I should have had a Brain Scan (MRI). He handed me a script to go get a scan and more blood work up. The scan was negative, no pituitary tumor. He kept me on the max dose of Androgel for a period and retested me after 1 month. No bueno, I was too low for being on such a high dose. Androgel just loses effectiveness. Now, I'm on 1mL of injectable Testosterone Cyprionate every 2 weeks. Had my 5th shot today. I'll do my first blood test in a few weeks to see where I'm at. He's had me come in for the injections and I'm hoping I can get on a "self injected" program soon to reduce my cost. The difference in my attitude, drive, and energy has been positively significant. I ride 3 to 4 times a week, on average about 12 miles / 1500' each ride. Going bigger is much easier, now. I'm always ready to go again when I get done with a ride. Before, I could easily talk myself out of a ride. So far, win-win.

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    No need for T-booster, which only nets more INACTIVE Testosterone. Guess what is the best semi-natural way to secrete ACTIVE serum T levels? Cholesterol....not really the killer, bad guy Big Pharma always makes it out to be. I had two friends who both lived over 90 and they had cholesterol levels that would make most physicians gasp(over 300!).

    They both ate whatever they liked(butter, steak, shellfish, pastries, etc)....however, all in moderation - they never went apesh*t with the decadent food....and, they always exercised. One of them was still having sex, up until he died!!!

    **Waiting to get flamed**
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    Re: Has anyone taken testosterone booster like A-HD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    No need for T-booster, which only nets more INACTIVE Testosterone. Guess what is the best semi-natural way to secrete ACTIVE serum T levels? Cholesterol....not really the killer, bad guy Big Pharma always makes it out to be. I had two friends who both lived over 90 and they had cholesterol levels that would make most physicians gasp(over 300!).

    They both ate whatever they liked(butter, steak, shellfish, pastries, etc)....however, all in moderation - they never went apesh*t with the decadent food....and, they always exercised. One of them was still having sex, up until he died!!!

    **Waiting to get flamed**
    No flaming here. I think you're right on.

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    I would tend to agree, as well, with one caveat. Food now, is not like what our aged elders were eating. I'm not of family lineage of very old elders. My wife, however, is. Old school Swiss-Italian Immigrant Dairy Farmers. Both her Noni's lived to be over 100, Gampa's in their 90's, the oldest was 104. Heavyset men/women that worked very hard. Lived well up to the very end with cheeses, butters, salamis, and wine at every single meal. Sh!t that modern medicine would say guarantees an early death. Today? Processed sh!t is what America eats. A Big Mac, fries, coke, and a Lipitor is the norm.

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    Thanks for the update Sack. Glad the MRI came back clean.

    I'm surprised that you are getting such good results so quickly. It will only improve. Be sure to take 50mg zinc, 2mg copper, and a DIM every day to slow estrogen conversion.

    I hope you can get self-injection going. Just going to the doctor every two weeks is a big expense in time and gas even if he didn't charge for the visit. Plus, you can inject .5 cc every week, which will work a lot better. After two weeks, your levels are getting low. Some guys even inject twice a week. I noticed some fluctuation at first, but weekly is fine now.

    BTW, that is the same dose my doctor started me at. I am at .6 or .7 cc weekly now.

    Costco is the cheapest place I have found for the Testosterone Cypionate. Sam's club is about the same. You don't have to be members to use the pharmacy at either place. But Costco has a program for members that gives you $4 off your prescription if insurance doesn't cover it. My wife and I each have two prescriptions, so that more than pays for the membership.

    I get the syringes and needles mail-order from allegromedical.com. No prescription is needed. I draw out of the vial with 20 gauge, then switch to 25 ga to inject.

    Another thing I have been taking is L-Citrulline. It gets converted to L-Arginine, which is converted to Nitrous Oxide. Sort of like a natural Viagra. I don't really have any erectile problems thanks to the testosterone, but it helps me a little. Some guys swear by it. But what I have noticed is that it practically eliminates muscle soreness from biking.

    I take four of these on an empty stomach daily:
    Amazon.com: NOW Foods L-Citrulline 750mg, 180 Capsules,: Health & Personal Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    ....and, they always exercised. One of them was still having sex, up until he died!!!
    That's how I want to go. That or riding my bike. Unless we can figure out a way to do both -- a recumbent maybe

    Take care!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    Since this thread was awakened by a spammy post I figured I'd update my experience. Got in with a good Endocrinologist. When he saw my old blood work from when this all started with my Primary Doc, he said with numbers that low, I should have had a Brain Scan (MRI). He handed me a script to go get a scan and more blood work up. The scan was negative, no pituitary tumor. He kept me on the max dose of Androgel for a period and retested me after 1 month. No bueno, I was too low for being on such a high dose. Androgel just loses effectiveness. Now, I'm on 1mL of injectable Testosterone Cyprionate every 2 weeks. Had my 5th shot today. I'll do my first blood test in a few weeks to see where I'm at. He's had me come in for the injections and I'm hoping I can get on a "self injected" program soon to reduce my cost. The difference in my attitude, drive, and energy has been positively significant. I ride 3 to 4 times a week, on average about 12 miles / 1500' each ride. Going bigger is much easier, now. I'm always ready to go again when I get done with a ride. Before, I could easily talk myself out of a ride. So far, win-win.
    Interesting. keep us posted! I agree with Dennis and have read that weekly will keep your levels more steady. You definitely need to become self sufficient with this and not need to visit the doc for every shot. How often will you need blood work done? Have you discussed HCG and anti estrogens to go with your regimin? Do you have a target T level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    No need for T-booster, which only nets more INACTIVE Testosterone. Guess what is the best semi-natural way to secrete ACTIVE serum T levels? Cholesterol....not really the killer, bad guy Big Pharma always makes it out to be. I had two friends who both lived over 90 and they had cholesterol levels that would make most physicians gasp(over 300!).

    They both ate whatever they liked(butter, steak, shellfish, pastries, etc)....however, all in moderation - they never went apesh*t with the decadent food....and, they always exercised. One of them was still having sex, up until he died!!!

    **Waiting to get flamed**

    Here's that flame you've been begging for

    Many of the natural T boosters on the market work by binding to SHBG which is the protein that grabs up testosterone and makes it inactive. So the T booster clogs the binding site of SHBG so test can't bind to it, thereby increasing free and active T.

    Cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone, but increasing cholesterol does not increase testosterone, and there is no correlation that I am aware, between T and C levels. It is regulated through other pathways, not by C levels.

    The stories about butter and egg eating fat people who live until 90 are no different than the guy who smokes all his life and lives until 90. Anecdotal stories like that have nothing to do with determining risk in a population.

    With that said, total cholesterol is not a good predictor of risk, but a look at a complete lipid profile gives a very good prediction of risk.
    People with poor diets, bad lipid profiles, who smoke, etc might live a long time, but they have lower odds of a long and or healthy life than those people without those risk factors.

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    Re: Has anyone taken testosterone booster like A-HD?

    Damn! I just went to Costco & my testosterone cypionate that normally costs about $65 went up to $102. Still cheaper than a divorce I guess : )

    My doctor shoots for 600 - 700 initially, but adjusts the dosage based on symptoms and performance. I got lab tests every 6 months at first, but now just as-needed. It's been about two years since my last tests.

    Thanks for the good info Steve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisF View Post
    Damn! I just went to Costco & my testosterone cypionate that normally costs about $65 went up to S102. Still cheaper than a divorce I guess : )

    My doctor shoots for 600 - 700 initially, but adjusts the dosage based on symptoms and performance. I got lab tests every 6 months at first, but now just as-needed. It's been aboit two years since my last tests.
    Are you taking an AI? Do you monitor blood lipids? Any problems with BPH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    I think my testosterone levels are falling as I get older. I no longer want to kill half the population and f#*k the rest. It's kind of nice. (Well, I don't want to kill half the population, anyway.)
    ROFL!! Epic! Thanks, made my day.
    People ask me all the time "who beat you up"? I tell them "a tree". They just look at me funny....

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Are you taking an AI? Do you monitor blood lipids? Any problems with BPH?
    Just DIM and Zinc to control estrogen conversion. I don't know if they actually function as an Aromatase Inhibitor or not. I take 2 mg copper per day since Zinc tends to deplete copper.

    Here is the DIM I use
    Nature's Way DIM-plus (Diindolylmethane) 120 Caps - Swanson Health Products
    I only take one capsule per day instead of the 2 capsules recommended on the bottle, as I was advised that the stuff is very effective, and could eliminate too much estrogen, which is necessary for morning erections.

    I had complete blood work done when I started testosterone, but no, I do not routinely monitor lipids, unless you count the free cholesterol screening they do when I donate blood, and it always comes back good.

    BPH: In my 40's, long before I started testosterone, things started not flowing as well, but never any problems, just part of aging. I take Beta Sitosterol, which helps. My doctor disagrees, but says it isn't hurting anything but my wallet. My PSA is low, about 4 as I recall, and actually went down a tad after I started testosterone. I don't think the testosterone actually affected it one way or the other. They're saying now that PSA isn't really a good indicator of prostate cancer, so I don't worry about it anymore.

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