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    So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?

    I set up a meeting with the local USFS brass to discuss these "new and more excellent trails". They want me to bring a list of possible connector trails to make loops and access outstanding features.

    So I put it to you, where do you want new trails in PNF? Keep it short and sweet.

    The Trail strategy meetings concluded that a new trail providing a loop opportunity off the top of Laurel Mtn toward Big Creek. We know what is already there, so let's move on.

    I would like to see a single track connector off the top of Bracken Mtn heading toward Cedar Rock(ish). They also mentioned a connector from 475c to the Northslope Trail.

    This not meant to be a long winded argument about trail types, user groups, or logging. Its really more of a wish list.

    Where do you want new trail in Pisgah.
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    You asked for it, so here it is off the top of my head:

    Any and all new trail construction that is narrow, tight, technical, and not flow-y, pump track style-although some of that is fine too, just NOT ALL OF IT.

    That said:

    The entire already approved Baldwin Gap project.
    Green's Lick to Lower Sidehill.
    Explorer to Lower Sidehill.
    Lower sidehill to Spencer Branch.
    Lower Trace to Laurel Mountain.
    Pilot Rock to Squirrel.
    Laurel Mountain to Laurel Creek.
    Cove Creek to 276 to Club Gap.
    Daniel to Long Branch.
    The entire Davidson River corridor.
    Kuykendall campground to Butter Gap.
    Daniel Ridge to Flat Laurel.
    Flat Laurel to Farlow.

    Personally, though, I'd rather see the money and effort spent on quality re-routes of some of the mega-blown-out trails like Black or upper avery. That's more important environmentally and has just as much potential fun factor if done right.

    How's that for a start?

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    Re: So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?

    That's a great start. Reroutes, reclassifications, and the blown out sections are important but for a different conversion at a different time.

    Thanks for your input, it's appreciated.
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    Route Kitzuma into an all singletrack loop
    and ditto all of Mike's suggestions.

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    Wishlist?

    I'd like to see more trails on the north/west side of the BRP around Old Fort, Little Switzerland area.
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    Greens lick to lower sidehill would be great!
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    A legal single track descent off of Bent Creek Gap into Mills River.
    My one says BRAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Wishlist?

    I'd like to see more trails on the north/west side of the BRP around Old Fort, Little Switzerland area.
    Agreed, I'm guessing this is the Ranger District we're talking about though. For a true back woods Pisgah experience - the Old Fort area is now closer for me than the Ranger District.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plume View Post
    A legal single track descent off of Bent Creek Gap into Mills River.
    Excellent!
    ...and a legal single track descent into Bent Creek from Bent Creek Gap.

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    don't know the area well enough to contribute much, but fwiw two of my favorite descents in PNF are the "mega blown out" sections of upper avery and black. and yes, i've ridden them within the past month so i am aware of their current condition.

    that being said, there's oodles of potential around kitsuma/heartbreak area that's much less built than the ranger area. might also be nice to see some things go in SW of brevard . . . again, lots of untapped potential.

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    I agree with the Green's Lick to Lower Sidehill and Bent Creek to Mills River. Every time I ride down Green's Lick, I feel like I left a lot of descending on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plume View Post
    Agreed, I'm guessing this is the Ranger District we're talking about though. For a true back woods Pisgah experience - the Old Fort area is now closer for me than the Ranger District.
    Oh, that makes a difference then. Thanks for clearing that up. I haven't been that far west in some time either. All of our trips have been to the central mtn. area. Would love to hit the trails around Brevard though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carverboy View Post
    Greens lick to lower sidehill would be great!

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    As Mike says building new trails does not make logical sense when we have such a huge backlog of needed maintenance on our existing trail inventory, unless, of course, you are a trail contractor or a special interest group . Maintaining and repairing what we already have should be more of a priority than building anything new.

    That being said, we need the Baldwin Gap project to be completed by the FS as agreed on.

    Lots of connectors were mentioned at the Trail Strategy meetings. Several people stressed the importance of the Summey Cove connector (access to Courthouse Falls when FR140 is closed) and since that trail is being closed I'd say we need a new connector to from 215 to the top of 140.

    Reopening the Courthouse Creek trail #128 was also mentioned at the Trail Strategy. Interestingly enough the FS questioned whether that trail was ever in the inventory at all
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    Did you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood View Post
    As Mike says building new trails does not make logical sense when we have such a huge backlog of needed maintenance on our existing trail inventory, unless, of course, you are a trail contractor or a special interest group . Maintaining and repairing what we already have should be more of a priority than building anything new.
    Speaking of nothing new... did you know that Summey Cove is one of the 'original' trails in Pisgah? Yes, it's on maps as far back as 1905 (oldest I know off) and is part of the network of trails that connected the early settlers of the upper Davidson River and Balsam Grove areas. Back then the cartpath stopped near the urrent day trout farm before you get to #140.

    So basically, the FS is recommending to close a part of one of the original foot-paths through Pisgah.
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    It would be an interesting fight to argue the trail is a cultural resource (over 50 years) old. Cultural resources are protected by lay, thus why we sometimes have to move new trails away from something the archaeologist find in a flagline review.

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    I got the maps to prove it too... shown on EVERY SINGLE NFS/USGS map available dating back to the 1905 maps in the historical archive.
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    That information should have been included in comment letters during the scoping and EA timeframe of the project. Once the line officer has submitted and Decision Notice and FONSI, it is really hard to reverse that decision. Some folks mentioned trying to appeal the decision, which is hard work and the chances are slim. Arguing that the FS did not properly consider the impacts on recreation would be the talking point, and siting the maps you have would serve as back up.

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    Interestingly, the FS (or perhaps some other group), has gone so far as to visibly mark a half dozen or so archeological sites around Newberry Creek. Normally they do not try to draw attention to these sort of sites but since Newberry Creek is going to be logged I'm guessing they wanted them marked so the loggers know what areas not to touch. It sure does not appear that the NFinNC is nearly as interested in historical and cultural resources or recreation as they are in making things as easy as possible for industry. As crazy as it sounds Fracking could be a real threat to our forests....

    I'm curious to hear more about 2bfluid's upcoming meeting. Brass makes is sound like he is meeting with the supervisors office. I hope that he continues to stress the impact that the Brushy Ridge and Courthouse Creek timber sales will have on recreation and I hope that he reminds them of the promise for new trails (including the ever important "connector" trails) as part of the Baldwin Gap timber sale.
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    " It sure does not appear that the NFinNC is nearly as interested in historical and cultural resources or recreation as they are in making things as easy as possible for industry. "

    That is always the case with the USFS nationwide.

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    Now, with the federal government shutdown and resulting closure of front-country developed trail systems like FATS and Tsali, while remote trails in Pisgah like Summey Cove remain open, we can see another good reason why this closure is a *bad thing*. A vacation for the bureaucrats seems like no good reason for me not to be able to enjoy a trip through the forest (law enforcement is still working so be quiet about public safety).

    They're compartmentalizing recreation so they can have more control over it. The cynical side of me says it's a political tool or power play; the practical side says it's just true budget constraints and maybe some laziness. Maybe it's some of both?

    Regardless, we still need to appeal this, even if it has no practical chance at changing anything. I'm pretty sure this line of reasoning should not be cited, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwnc View Post
    Regardless, we still need to appeal this, even if it has no practical chance at changing anything. I'm pretty sure this line of reasoning should not be cited, though.
    Yes, we need to appeal this. Even if nothing becomes of the appeal we need to ensure that our voices are truly heard.

    I'm willing to put in work on it. Who else is interested in a fruitless appeal?
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    So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood View Post
    Yes, we need to appeal this. Even if nothing becomes of the appeal we need to ensure that our voices are truly heard.

    I'm willing to put in work on it. Who else is interested in a fruitless appeal?
    What sort of work is involved in an appeal?

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    I feel like doing this in the open is the best way to encourage participation.

    So, I've created a document in which we can start on an appeal:
    https://**************************/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    Anyone can view this and comment on it. Anyone interested in helping to write it, let me know (pm?) and I'll add you as an editor. (You'll need a Google account). We'll see where it goes, and if it's worth submitting we'll do it.

    At this point, I don't know who the representative party would be - but it needs to be someone who "provided comments or otherwise expressed interest in a particular proposed action by the close of the formal notice and comment period".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    What sort of work is involved in an appeal?
    According to the document:
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    Those who provided comments or otherwise expressed interest in a particular proposed action by the close of the formal notice and comment period may appeal this decision pursuant to 36 CFR 215.13. Appeals must meet content requirements of 36 CFR 215.14.
    So, we need to find someone who commented or "expressed interest" to submit the appeal. Also, we must look up the requirements in that code and adhere to those. Let's get researching!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwnc View Post
    According to the document:


    So, we need to find someone who commented or "expressed interest" to submit the appeal. Also, we must look up the requirements in that code and adhere to those. Let's get researching!
    I commented and expressed interest many times.

    Go researching. We should try and do this the best we can. Which means we probably need a new thread (I don't think this is what 2bfluid wanted to come out of this thread).

    If anyone knows anything about appealing these things we could sure use your help!

    I rode Summey Cove today and it is a truly excellent trail. I can't imagine a higher quality trail experience.
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    Re: So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?

    I think this is a great direction for this thread to be going.

    I agree that Summy Cove is a fantastic trail and hate to see it go. I've just been busy and haven't really needed to comment.

    I haven't read the statement by the USFS on their reasoning for the closure. Lack of use? Seems like great spot to create a loop opportunity. I had planned on discussing this at the meeting scheduled for what turned out to be the day after the shut down. I won't make that mistake again.

    I wonder if Woody has made one of these appeals before. Has anyone been successful in a similar situation.

    My guess is that the FS has been mandated to close some trails from the regional level. If that's the case, I doubt the head district ranger would challenge it. But this is complete speculation on my part.
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    "I wonder if Woody has made one of these appeals before. Has anyone been successful in a similar situation."

    Yes. I filed an official letter of appeal on the Linear Wildlife Opening decision (which closed some gated roads to mtn bikes and horses) many years ago. In a nutshell, we lost (Chuck filed an appeal and several of us filed one on behalf of Blue Ridge Bike Club).

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    AFAIK each person or party who submitted comment has standing to appeal. My opinion is we are better off each making individual appeals, if only to tie up NFS resources responding to all the appeals ( there were over 500 comments ) , they have to respond to every appeal individually so if we lump it all together then they can just say 'get the **** outta here' once and be done with us. I'd rather they have to tell a few hundred people to f-off one by one, and maybe one or two appeals squeak through. I commented and I plan on appealing the specific points of the decision about which I made comments about.
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    To answer the original question:

    First I'll say I agree with the others; maintenance is a much more immediate issue. I couldn't come up with a whole lot off the top of my head that hadn't been mentioned already. Once we fix all the messed up trails we currently have, I'd love some connectors in a few places:

    A bike legal connector directly from Squirrel Gap to Turkeypen gap trail

    Obviously Laurel/Big Creek is a nice potential link, especially a more uphill friendly route than the trail that doesn't exist up there. Even better would be a contouring trail from the top of Laurel to the top of big creek, to keep you off hiking trails or the parkway.

    Singletrack from the stables to the rangers station would be awesome to get bikers doing black mountain loops off the road.

    Road to trail conversions on many of the old roads already open to bikes.

    Bike-legal routes from 475c to Butter Gap and Bracken to North Slope would really make that trail system a lot more practical as the "link to pisgah" they want it to be.

    Bike-legal and more contouring link between Pilot Cove/Slate rock and Laurel Mountain would be great.



    I'm sure some of these are easier said than done but its just what I could think of without looking at a map. Great points on Summey too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridn29s View Post
    AFAIK each person or party who submitted comment has standing to appeal. My opinion is we are better off each making individual appeals, if only to tie up NFS resources responding to all the appeals ( there were over 500 comments ) , they have to respond to every appeal individually so if we lump it all together then they can just say 'get the **** outta here' once and be done with us. I'd rather they have to tell a few hundred people to f-off one by one, and maybe one or two appeals squeak through. I commented and I plan on appealing the specific points of the decision about which I made comments about.
    You are correct, it is better to have many appeals as to one say filed by PAS. The more appeals they get, the more controversial the decision looks. And yes, they have to deal with each person who files an appeal. You are not at all likely to win an appeal. To do so you have to convince the regional office (in Hotlanta) that the local FS line officer (the one responsible for the decision) did not consider something in making the decision, or something of that sorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    You are correct, it is better to have many appeals as to one say filed by PAS.
    These appeals are required to be quite specific - almost on the order of a legal brief - and so for each individual to write one seems kind of daunting, does it not? I was thinking a good appeal might even need help from an environmental lawyer.

    I didn't formally comment though so unless I can contribute with someone else who did, it's too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    You are correct, it is better to have many appeals as to one say filed by PAS. The more appeals they get, the more controversial the decision looks. And yes, they have to deal with each person who files an appeal. You are not at all likely to win an appeal. To do so you have to convince the regional office (in Hotlanta) that the local FS line officer (the one responsible for the decision) did not consider something in making the decision, or something of that sorts.
    Thank you Capt. Obvious, aren't you aware that Forest service reads this forum and will consider what you stated as evidence to dismiss appeals.

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    I'd love to see any new hand built trail, built by people...in the woods, working together with their hands who are passionate about trying to ride what the modern day trail bike is capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Thank you Capt. Obvious, aren't you aware that Forest service reads this forum and will consider what you stated as evidence to dismiss appeals.
    Hey Sasquatch- Woodman is a professional trail builder, former IMBA board member, and has more experience than any other 10 people on this forum combined when it comes to dealing with the USFS. He is well-known for voicing opposition to many local, regional, and national USFS actions over the past years, yet he (and they) are professional enough to do contract work both locally and basically everywhere else. .
    If they pay any attention to the forums, they are well aware of his "handle," as he often signs his name to his words.

    We are very lucky indeed to have him as a local resource and when he offers advice, we should listen (don't have to agree, but at least listen).

    Thanks as always for your dedication, Woody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    I wonder if Woody has made one of these appeals before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown View Post
    Hey Sasquatch- Woodman is a professional trail builder, former IMBA board member, and has more experience than any other 10 people on this forum combined when it comes to dealing with the USFS. He is well-known for voicing opposition to many local, regional, and national USFS actions over the past years, yet he (and they) are professional enough to do contract work both locally and basically everywhere else. .
    If they pay any attention to the forums, they are well aware of his "handle," as he often signs his name to his words.

    We are very lucky indeed to have him as a local resource and when he offers advice, we should listen (don't have to agree, but at least listen).

    Thanks as always for your dedication, Woody.
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    I too agree that the more appeals, the better, and as such I'll be submitting my own. mtbwnc - if you would like to help with my appeal I would welcome the assistance. I have limited time right now and would like to do it the best I can regardless of how fruitless it is.

    I encourage everyone who commented, or expressed interest to file their own appeal as this decision makes absolutely no sense. The decision essentially closes an entire quadrant of the forest to recreation and opens it to industry. I love Chestnut trees but we all know this has more to do with long term logging opportunities than it does with saving anything.

    I know of one specific USFS person who reads this forum. They already know my views and Woodman's views - they don't need this forum to know what we think (we tell them every chance we get) but they do need this forum to know what the masses of mountain bikers think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by park baker View Post
    I'd love to see any new hand built trail, built by people...in the woods, working together with their hands who are passionate about trying to ride what the modern day trail bike is capable of.
    You mean like the Lower Trace reroute?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    You mean like the Lower Trace reroute?
    Saying you want more hand built trail and actually showing up to help build said hand built trail, two very different things. Lower Trace is a good example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    You mean like the Lower Trace reroute?
    So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?-img_3701.jpg
    So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?-img_3703.jpg

    Speaking of Lower Trace, couple of shots from yesterdays workday. Can't get any more hand dug than this. Been having at least one workday every month since Sept 2012(minus the government shut down). We have more than a half mile HAND cut thru some of the densest rhodo tunnels and steepest side slope in the forest. Still have roughly 2000ft left to dig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Saying you want more hand built trail and actually showing up to help build said hand built trail, two very different things. Lower Trace is a good example of that.
    Come on Woody, you should know better than that.
    Instead people just say "I want" and expect it to be done without ever showing up to do anything. Then after the work is done, they b!tch about how it was done, cry about machine building and boo hoo about sanitation.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    So we lost Summey Cove. Now what?

    Hey Snototter I believe my buddy and I and my dog passed you while you guys were heading out to the trace ridge lot around noon? Regardless, looks like an awesome start and thank y'all for your time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrimm View Post
    Hey Snototter I believe my buddy and I and my dog passed you while you guys were heading out to the trace ridge lot around noon? Regardless, looks like an awesome start and thank y'all for your time!
    Right on! Yep that was me, one of our biggest turnouts yet….just kidding.

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    Nice work on the new Lower Trace Ridge.

    Too bad that whole area, including the old Lower Trace Ridge trail, is going to be logged in the near future.
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