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    Rocky Knob Park- Boone NC

    Trail Dynamics was selected for a design/build contract for this new mountain bike facility in Boone. http://booneareaoutdoors.com/2010/07...ays-of-summer/

    Phase 1 is currently under contract, this will be the beginners’ loop trail which is just under 2 miles.

    The design team (Kristian, Chuck and Bob) have been working for 2 weeks on the design and that is now complete. Volunteers began clearing corridor on July 22 and will work again this weekend. Trail Dynamics will begin machine rough in of the trail on Monday July 26. There are several very burly rock gardens to get through on this first loop.

    Plans for the whole park include:

    - More mountain bike loops including moderate and more difficult loops
    - A flow trail with jumps
    - An adventure playground at the trailhead
    - Skills areas of different difficulty levels (beginners and more advanced)

    This is a hybrid contract with TD staff responsible for the trail design and rough and finished grading with machines, while volunteers are responsible for corridor clearing and finish work.

    This coming week is a great opportunity to get involved in the project. We have a kick off meeting at the Broyhill at 6PM on Thursday July 29. This will be a 1.5 hr general overview of what the project is all about. We will show some photos of what the landscape on Rocky Knob looks like, but also some images of visions for the complete trail system (all loops) and what we want the trails to look like.

    On Sat. July 31 we will be presenting a Sustainable Trails Design workshop at the Best Western and out at the park. Indoor session will be 9-12 and then lunch, followed by a field session for crew leaders and volunteers from 2-6 at the park.

    For more info, check out the Boone Area Cyclist website:
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    This is a very exciting project and TD is super excited about the potential for this park to have a great trail system. We look forward to working with many of the locals up there in the high country to develop the park and trails to the fullest potential.

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    The first loop is designed, Construction started on Monday.

    Here is a great blog with stories and photos each day of progress, challenges, and rewards:
    http://rockyknob.wordpress.com/

    Rocky Knob will become a destination mountain bike park when complete. Ed and 5 other TD crew members are in Boulder CO helping to build Valmont Bike Park:
    http://www.bma-mtb.org/valmontbikepark/

    Busy times for the entire Trail Dynamics team.

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    Thanks for the update.

    I'll be at the Broyhill this evening. Should the volunteers attend the workshop or just be at the park at two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule
    Thanks for the update.

    I'll be at the Broyhill this evening. Should the volunteers attend the workshop or just be at the park at two?
    We will give details at the Kick-Off presentation tonight at the Broyhill. If you want to learn about sustainable trail planning and design, come to the indoor presentation on Sat. AM. If you just want to be grunt labor, blow off the indoor session and show up at the park at 2PM.

    See you there.

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    Always awesome news to hear of a new bike park opening, thanks for posting this and the links to the park...I know I'll be a customer.
    Although I live in Mills River I travel to Boone frequently to visit my nephew and load up on his Boone Barr food bars.

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    Great presentation last night on the park process and progress. Woody and his team seem competent and capable. I'm stoked to live in a town with such a keen focus on outdoor recreation.

    Thanks to all who are making this happen.

    Trail work 2-6 pm Saturday. The more volunteer hours, the faster this will happen.

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    I don't live in the area, but travel there twice a year. When is the projected completion date?
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    First loop should be ready to ride Septemberish.

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    Here are a few maps of the first loop (rated Blue- Moderate):
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    awesome guys can't thank you enough for the hard work!

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    The construction kicked off this past week and we had a great week. The Kick Off presentation on Thur. was a packed room of folks eager to learn of the vision for the Park. Sat. morning was an indoor trail school with 15 or so folks learning the basics of sustainable trail design, and the afternoon was digging in the dirt with 23 volunteers. Thanks to everyone who participated.

    Trail Dynamics gets to work on a lot of cool projects each and every year. Rocky Knob is however a very special project to me as we moved away from the area (lived in Boone and Blowing Rock for 24 years) partly due to the lack of good mountain biking close-by. We found ourselves driving down to Wilson's Creek, Woods Mountain, or Mt. Rogers area to ride, all of those are 1hr + from Boone.

    It was great to re-connect with some old mountain bike friends from the High Country Mountain Bile Association (HCMBA) days, and also meet some new friends. I served as President for HCMBA for 4 years, and it just did not continue after we moved away. There is great new leadership and energy in the new Boone Area Cyclist and without this club Rocky Knob would not be happening.

    Great new posts in the Rocky Knob blog by Kristian Jackson:
    http://rockyknob.wordpress.com/

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    Hey guys looks great...

    I live im wilkes and love the trails here but am always excitec about new trails..

    How far up 421 is this park??

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    Looks like a great project! We have some clients up in the Boone area and they have been talking about building some trails for over a year now. I am going to be up in the Boone area soon and would like to schedule it with one of their afternoon workdays. Are they meeting every Thursday afternoon at 6pm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4life
    Hey guys looks great...

    I live im wilkes and love the trails here but am always excitec about new trails..

    How far up 421 is this park??

    Coming from down off the mountain, Rocky Knob is just before the Nissan dealership and on your left. Hope to have the first loop (2.6 miles moderate) completed in Oct.

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    [QUOTE=. Are they meeting every Thursday afternoon at 6pm?[/QUOTE]

    R,

    Yup, I think the plan is for Dirty Thursdays for the next while. They will also be scheduling some weekend days for work. Stay tuned to the blog and here for any updates.

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    Some photos from the planning/design phase.........

    1. My first visit to the property back in June, still on crutches.

    2.Chuck and Bob designing the first loop, looking for cool landscape features.

    3. MotoMike explores the potential of the property and enjoys the beauty of the land.
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    Can't wait to take a two wheeler down the new trailz !!! Thanx for the hard work & efforts.
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    Those boulders are everywhere. 'Rocky' it most definitely is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule
    Those boulders are everywhere. 'Rocky' it most definitely is.

    Indeed, Rocky Knob was well named. This will provide for a really cool trail with lots of things to look at while riding, and lots of rock for trail tread. Also provides for very challenging trail building.
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    Here are some more photos showing just how rocky Rocky Knob is and some finished trail photos.
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    Sweet attachments on your mobility scooter!

    This looks like a very cool project. A very smart move by folks up in Boone.

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    [QUOTE=D.F.L.]Sweet attachments on your mobility scooter!

    It is a bit slow (crawl speed of 1.5 mph), but if there is something you can't reach on the top shelf........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman



    2.Chuck and Bob designing the first loop, looking for cool landscape features.

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    I'm pretty sure Chuck is talking about how to fell that tree so it will fall in the opposite direction than it's leaning, and he is wagering money that he can do it with a plunge cut...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman
    Here are some more photos showing just how rocky Rocky Knob is and some finished trail photos.
    NICE! I'm stoked about this addition to the high country!

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    Construction on the first loop of Rocky Knob park has cranked back up this week. TD staff Bob Karriker is back after 2 weeks of trail education work in Dayton OH and is excited to again be working in the high country.

    Volunteers had a great work session on Thur. evening and are staying caught up behind Bob and the machine work. We will be there through the end of Sept. this go round machine building and giving lots of work for the volunteers. The goal would be to have the first loop finished are ready to ride late fall with more to come in spring 2011.

    Thanks to everyone who has worked to make this new bike park and trail system happen. Spring 2011 will also see the development of a skills area in the main park and one up on the hill incorporated into the trails. Lots of TTFs and optional lines will also be part of the trails at Rocky Knob

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    Update

    Close to a mile of trail has been roughed in by machine by TD's Bob Karriker. BAC volunteers remain highly motivated and are working on corridor clearing and finish work behind the mini-ex.

    I have attached a map that shows a progress report. Work will continue for the rest of Sept, and then mid Oct on (with a short break from Bob on the project. Stay tuned to the BAC website for updates and volunteer days which are happening on a regular basis.
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    Trail apparently now open. Hope to check it out next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcxmbfj View Post
    Trail apparently now open. Hope to check it out next week.
    2 loops are now open, enjoy.

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    Had a chance to ride here last weekend, very nice. If I had to compare it to anything local (Asheville),
    It's as though Ridgeline has been recreated using material from Farlow. Flowy/rocky at it's best.
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    You ain't seen nothin' yet!

    The upper section is coming along nicely and is going to be incredible. Wait until you see the bridges that have been built.

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    Alright, guys. I'm considering making the drive from Hendersonville to Boone to ride this Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park. Is it free? Is it open all day every day? Are the bridges and stunts fun? Just looking for some more info. I've checked out rockyknob.wordpress.com, and it looks like fun. Is it worth the drive?

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    Geriatric mountain biker and trail maintainer... ...with digital braking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Alright, guys. I'm considering making the drive from Hendersonville to Boone to ride this Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park. Is it free? Is it open all day every day? Are the bridges and stunts fun? Just looking for some more info. I've checked out rockyknob.wordpress.com, and it looks like fun. Is it worth the drive?
    Free? Yes. 24/7? Yes. Bridge and stunts fun? Yes. It would take some time to hit every drop, jump, bridge, skinny and obstacle. Some come in to just to do the jump line. Some dig the techy climbs.

    Is it worth the drive? Probably at least once!

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    Thanks! Looks like I'll be driving up there on Monday.

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    More than worth the drive.

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    MTB24, hope you had a great ride!. Please take a minute and fill out the trail survey. This data will help show that RKP is being used by out-of-town visitors. Many of you on this board have visited also, and we could use your thoughts too. Thanks for this.

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    Just got back, and it was a good time! Not as technical as I was expecting, but more flowy! The downhill trail (PBJ?) was excellent (perfect for my mediocre jumping skills), and the skills areas were challenging. I highly recommend people get out to Rocky Knob at least once! I'll be going out there again

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    I was there for the first time this past Tuesday... excellent riding. I see there's a trail survey which I will fill out.
    I read that on the internet.

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    Haven't been there yet, but will hit it, weather permitting, in the next couple of months. BIG question though, I am a SS 29er guy, with a full rigid bike. Will I be able to handle the inclines in this park?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spistols View Post
    Haven't been there yet, but will hit it, weather permitting, in the next couple of months. BIG question though, I am a SS 29er guy, with a full rigid bike. Will I be able to handle the inclines in this park?
    IMHO if you are a strong rider, which you probably are, it shouldn't be too much of a problem for you.
    I read that on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spistols View Post
    Haven't been there yet, but will hit it, weather permitting, in the next couple of months. BIG question though, I am a SS 29er guy, with a full rigid bike. Will I be able to handle the inclines in this park?
    Ryan at Magic Cycles rides the same setup as you and seems to have no problems. I'll stop by and ask him if he's been to the top and how doable it is.

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    Is the park closing for the winter again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoPaper View Post
    Is the park closing for the winter again?
    It all depends on the weather.

    The frost/thaw cycle has begun and I saw some spots, during my walk of the lower two loops last Saturday, where the dirt sections had gone from tacky to gooey already.

    Really, there is no way to physically block anyone from riding there when it's closed. Good riders respect the 'closed' sign and understand why it's closed, although there will always be the egocentric types who will go in and damage the trails anyway.

    Just use your best judgement.

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    Man, I hope it stays warm a couple more weeks as I'll be renting a house the weekend of 12/8 that's only 4 miles away from the park.
    Didn't even know about Rocky Knob until stumbling upon this thread; so very cool!

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    Any current trail info?

    I just found out this morning that I will be heading to Boone tomorrow for the funeral of a family member. I'll probably be in town for 2-3 days... I figured I'd check out Rocky Knob while I'm in town to brighten an otherwise sad trip... (if the trails are in good shape.) Can someone local chime in? Thanks.
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    Messy and slippery in spots.

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    Weather is really warm for this time of year, should be a good day for a ride.

    Tons of folks were out over the weekend, reports are the parking lot was full. Enjoy.

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    Well hopefully not messy in too many spots... A full parking lot over the past weekend sounds promising. My hotel appears to be 4 miles from the trail, sounds like ill have to hit it...

    Thanks for the info...
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    Rode it Monday afternoon. lower section is indeed a little moist but not awful. Upper trails are fine and coming back down was dry and uneventful.
    Chance of rain late tomorrow so It should be good to go for early or afternoon ride,enjoy!
    On another note anyone Know why the pump track was removed?
    Are they going to build another?
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    In addition to warm, it has been very dry for quite some time. There may be a few soft spots due to humid nights and a bit of freeze/thaw, but it should be good riding conditions. If you ride early AM, just be aware of possible thin frost on any of the wood structures.

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    This places sounds cool can hardly wait to try it.

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    I got to ride a short loop last night, finished with the PB n J trail... Lot of fun. I'm going to try to get a little more in tomorrow morning before I head back (if I can stand the cold) great trail, glad I stopped by. Props to those who contributed!
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    How long does RN close in the winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    How long does RN close in the winter?
    No specfic schedule. They close it when hard freezes begin and freeze/thaw action and bikes cuase tread damage. It would open the following spring when hard freezes seem to be over with. Needless to say, winters vary these days. I lived in Boone for 15 years stating back in the early 80s, back then the area would be under snow by now. Climate change has extended the riding season and the riding should still be good up there now, but I would guess the days are numbered for this year.

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    The trails are in great shape as of yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by motomike View Post
    The trails are in great shape as of yesterday
    Yes they were! But...

    we're about to have some significant rain today with snow this evening followed by freeze/thaw for the foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    Yes they were! But...

    we're about to have some significant rain today with snow this evening followed by freeze/thaw for the foreseeable future.

    That could be the game changer for trail conditions. When it gets cold but the tread soil is pretty dry, feeze does not have much effect. With rain and then weather gets cold, the freezing of soil and expansion is what breaks the soil apart. Best time to ride when those conditions set it is morning when things are still frozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carverboy View Post
    anyone Know why the pump track was removed?
    Are they going to build another?
    The PT was removed to build a bigger and better one; the previous two were temporary. You'll definitely see a new one by early spring. It will be at the "sunset skills area" as noted on this map.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    No specfic schedule. They close it when hard freezes begin and freeze/thaw action and bikes cuase tread damage.
    Yes, as Woodman says, there is no schedule for this. RKP is a Watauga County park, and last year a representative from the county made the call to close the trails and protect the resource. This could happen again. From what I hear, the long-range plan is to add more DGA to the lowest loop which will help the situation.

    If all or a portion of the trails close, it will be posted on the RKP blog and the Twitter site.

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    The built up area where the Sunset Skills area is to be is not huge. Big enough for a pump track, but not much more. The steep edge drop off will mean there needs to be a setback for safety reasons. There is not a good way to get a roll in for the pump track.

    I would expect that this new 3 try pump track will be bigger but not by much. Some sunset watching benches outside of the PT would be a good addition.

    RKP is an awesome place. Kudos to Boone Area Cyclists for the dedication to make this happen, we really enjoyed working with the local riders. See you in spring when I have my scheduled site visit and risk management inspection.

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    What is the current mileage?


    What's the timetable for opening new sections?
    Zippity do dah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Ride View Post
    What is the current mileage?


    What's the timetable for opening new sections?
    Total mileage is around 8 now, with 4 skills areas. As far as I know, everything opened this year. No new sections to open.

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    I had a great ride last Thursday morning before heading back south to the flatlands. I didn't have a ton of time but it was well worth getting up extra early. It was about 28 degrees out, good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Total mileage is around 8 now, with 4 skills areas. As far as I know, everything opened this year. No new sections to open.
    So, a total of 8 miles of trails in a 185 acre park ??? I'm not sure I would call that a "destination"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    So, a total of 8 miles of trails in a 185 acre park ??? I'm not sure I would call that a "destination"...
    It is a quality over quanity situation. The park is the first of it's kind in NC and has a jump trail, hucks off of rocks, and log skinnies leading to rock hucks. And yes, I have seen folks from all over riding there including kids who live in Brevard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    So, a total of 8 miles of trails in a 185 acre park ??? I'm not sure I would call that a "destination"...
    Don't be so "Walmart-y" about the distance.

    That 8 miles require skill, finesse, confidence, and a reasonable level of fitness.

    Come to our park and ride up to the top and back down without dabbing or clear all of the technical features on the trails or in the skills areas.

    After you've mastered the trails, roll into town and have a delicious beer at our new brewery! Shoot, I'll buy you one if you clear the skinny-rock-skinny-rock-drop in the advanced skills area.

    Come and enjoy what we've built!

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    I rode the trails last fall and they are beyond great. I'm just wondering if there is room for expansion down the road, or will it always be 8 miles. I'm glad that the park is filling the free ride niche for younger riders, but my technical riding days are over. But hey, I'm all in when you guys come up with a declining skills park.

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    There is not really much room for more trail at Rocky Knob and the building is very difficult and nearly impossible to build easy trail in due to all the rock. Boone Area Cyclist are working with TDA to identify a new location for additional trails, and hopefully some true beginer trail.

    From a contractors standpoint, BAC and TDA were great to work with. I have a scheduled risk management inspection coming up and I look forward to visiting the knob and get a ride in as well as my work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    There is not really much room for more trail at Rocky Knob and the building is very difficult and nearly impossible to build easy trail in due to all the rock. Boone Area Cyclist are working with TDA to identify a new location for additional trails, and hopefully some true beginer trail.

    From a contractors standpoint, BAC and TDA were great to work with. I have a scheduled risk management inspection coming up and I look forward to visiting the knob and get a ride in as well as my work.
    Thanks. I know it varies with the terrain, but how many acres do you typically need to get a mile of trail ? I guess I was expecting 185 acres to produce more mileage, but I recognize the terrain and rocks were a bear on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    Thanks. I know it varies with the terrain, but how many acres do you typically need to get a mile of trail ? I guess I was expecting 185 acres to produce more mileage, but I recognize the terrain and rocks were a bear on this one.
    You answered your question with the opening statement, it varies greatly by terrian. There are many other variables to the question:

    -How much trail density is allowed, desired, and makes sense?
    -How much trail can be afforded by the land managing agency or private land owner?
    -Do you want to have a sense of "being out there" or are trails on top of trails OK?
    -Vegatation provides some barrier from one trail to the next, how thick is the under-story?
    -How steep is the land and is it possible to build many or only few turns and switchbacks?

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    I was reading the reviews and one guy mentioned that the price tag on RKP was a million dollars ! Is that accurate ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    Don't be so "Walmart-y" about the distance.

    That 8 miles require skill, finesse, confidence, and a reasonable level of fitness.

    Come to our park and ride up to the top and back down without dabbing or clear all of the technical features on the trails or in the skills areas.

    After you've mastered the trails, roll into town and have a delicious beer at our new brewery! Shoot, I'll buy you one if you clear the skinny-rock-skinny-rock-drop in the advanced skills area.

    Come and enjoy what we've built!

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    My names Will Vandenberg. Lets ride sometime

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I was reading the reviews and one guy mentioned that the price tag on RKP was a million dollars ! Is that accurate ?
    No!!!!!!! Not any where close to that large of a number. Don't believe enverything you hear (or read on the intertubes).

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    There is such thing is packing trail too close for the sake of mileage that draws away from the experience. I don't feel it particularly appealing when I see multiple riders crisscrossing back and forth for a few miles throughout the trail. Often these over stacked trails have sections where they ran out of space and are building within unsuitable terrain like drainage areas and low flat spots that stay muddy throughout fall winter and spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    There is such thing is packing trail too close for the sake of mileage that draws away from the experience. I don't feel it particularly appealing when I see multiple riders crisscrossing back and forth for a few miles throughout the trail. Often these over stacked trails have sections where they ran out of space and are building within unsuitable terrain like drainage areas and low flat spots that stay muddy throughout fall winter and spring.
    That's a good point, but isn't that also a function of the amount of traffic ( local population) ? If I don't see another rider, it doesn't bother me if the trails are stacked.
    Sounds like the skills park is the big draw which should further reduce the pressure on the trails. As far as unsuitable terrain, well all I can say is the
    RKP trails are currently closed anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikesrock View Post
    My names Will Vandenberg. Lets ride sometime
    You're on! Just as soon as the weather mellows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    That's a good point, but isn't that also a function of the amount of traffic ( local population) ? If I don't see another rider, it doesn't bother me if the trails are stacked.
    Sounds like the skills park is the big draw which should further reduce the pressure on the trails. As far as unsuitable terrain, well all I can say is the
    RKP trails are currently closed anyway.
    I was more talking about leaving a buffer between trail. Here in Raleigh, the population is much denser than the available trail systems. So you are definitely going to see traffic on a trail such as Lake Crabtree County Park but at least there is some growth and forest buffer between the trail you are on and another loop or the switchback trail. There is at least one trail in my area that I still enjoy riding, drain\dries very well and has made great use of the terrain and features but you can almost touch the other riders on other trails. There is a high percentage of mileage per acreage but you lose some of the remoteness when you want to 'get away' from it all. Other examples are non-legit trails where no thought has been given for resource management of the property and they've squeezed trail down in the drainage areas and low spots for the sake of mileage. These sections never drain and dry until prolonged periods of no rain and sunlight. Closing trails after some rain\snow doesn't bother me. I imagine RKP drains extremely well and opens quickly. I think it's a small price for long term less maintenance needed trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    It is a quality over quanity situation. The park is the first of it's kind in NC and has a jump trail, hucks off of rocks, and log skinnies leading to rock hucks. And yes, I have seen folks from all over riding there including kids who live in Brevard.
    We have had trails like that for nearly 20 years in clt

    First of its kind in what way? Not 100% volunteer built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    I was more talking about leaving a buffer between trail. Here in Raleigh, the population is much denser than the available trail systems. So you are definitely going to see traffic on a trail such as Lake Crabtree County Park but at least there is some growth and forest buffer between the trail you are on and another loop or the switchback trail. There is at least one trail in my area that I still enjoy riding, drain\dries very well and has made great use of the terrain and features but you can almost touch the other riders on other trails. There is a high percentage of mileage per acreage but you lose some of the remoteness when you want to 'get away' from it all. Other examples are non-legit trails where no thought has been given for resource management of the property and they've squeezed trail down in the drainage areas and low spots for the sake of mileage. These sections never drain and dry until prolonged periods of no rain and sunlight. Closing trails after some rain\snow doesn't bother me. I imagine RKP drains extremely well and opens quickly. I think it's a small price for long term less maintenance needed trails.
    "Remoteness"? In Raleigh? I would think y'all would be thankful to just see some dirt.

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    The flaw in this whole discussion over the past two days is separating quantity from quality. For most people in most circumstances, quality and quantity are synonyms, not antonyms- at least in regards to trails. Think about it this way- if all we had was 8 miles of awesome trail in Pisgah district, nobody would travel here to ride. Instead, we have about 170 miles of open trail and many many more miles of road/ two track, a small% of which matches the "quality" definition from a sustainable trails perspective. It's the quantity that makes this a destination. The trend, intentional or not, to separate quality from quantity is detrimental to me (and many others I know) as a mountain biker.

    EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack. If I go Wilkesboro to camp/ride for the weekend some time this summer, I also intend to check out Rocky Knob. It does look like something fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown View Post
    The flaw in this whole discussion over the past two days is seperating quantity from quality. For most people in most circumstances, quality and quantity are synonyms, not antonyms- at least in regards to trails. Think about it this way- if all we had was 8 miles of awesome trail in Pisgah district, nobody would travel here to ride. Instead, we have about 170 miles of open trail and many many more miles of road/ two track, a small% of which matches the "quality" definition from a sustainable trails perspective. It's the quantity that makes this a destination. The trend, intentional or not, to seperate quality from quantity is detrimental to me (and many others I know) as a mountain biker.

    EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack. If I go Wilkesboro to camp/ride for the weekend some time this summer, I also intend to check out Rocky Knob. It does look like somethinf fun!
    Well said. The best thing the Boone TDA could do would be to market RKP as the hub of the wheel, with Wilkesboro,Damascus & Wilson's Creek all within striking distance. That's the only possible way to tout Rocky Knob as a destination.
    I also find it ironic that I rode Wilsons Creek (upper creek/barkhouse/ripshin/headleys) three days ago and the trails were in perfect shape, while the "sustainable" trails at RKP were closed.
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    I could definitely spend all day out there. Two loops for 16 miles, spending time in the skills area and 4-5 sessions on PB and J then to Mellow Mushroom would be a grand single day. Two different bikes would be ideal.

    However, since I am driving from Raleigh, I would need to add Kerr Scott or Wilson's Creek into the destination. Or even Sugar if it was summer. Last time I went there was in the summer and we stayed at Kerr Scott, next time I will camp in Boone where it's much cooler.

    Any way, back to 'destination'. I looked through the previous remarks and didn't see anybody referencing destination until we starting talking about mileage per acreage.

    Ultimately, RKP is a great addition to that portion of the mountains. It would be great to see more mileage in the Boone area and hopefully Beech, Sugar, RKP will influence more doors to open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    Any way, back to 'destination'. I looked through the previous remarks and didn't see anybody referencing destination until we starting talking about mileage per acreage.
    Destination has been the mantra from the get go...page 1 second post. You have to understand that any good contractor needs to meet the objectives of his employer and the foremost objective of the TDA is to enhance lodging in Boone.

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    I have traveled to ride Rocky Knob before and i'll travel to ride there again. Its not the same as Pisgah and that's part of the reason to go there. I do travel to ride allot, way more than most people especially non racers. Besides being top notch trails unlike anything else around, Rocky Knob is in a good spot between several other riding destinations; Wilson's, Pisgah, Bannerelk resorts, Damascus etc... its very easy to spend a day at Rocky Knob and get a full plate, enjoy Boone (possibly my favorite town in the South East) and hit another nearby destination the next day. As a tip, the trip from Boone to Damascus passing by the Grayson Highlands is one of the most scenic areas in our part of the country. Not every destination has to have hundreds of miles of trail to be worthwhile.

    Keep it up Boone!

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    Yeah, I don't want to sound like I'm being critical of Rocky Knob itself; it sounds like an awesome development and I hope to see it myself soon. Please understand that. My comment was more a general observation of new trail developments/ advocacy efforts- which is why I called it a semi-hijack.

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    I live in Boone, and its worth mentioning that about a month or two ago we received one of the heaviest rains this area has seen in a long time. There was a lot of flooding, picnic tables from around the greenway are still several hundred yards away from where they started. The weather hasn't allowed a trail work day since, and its my understanding that the temporary closure has a lot to do with washouts caused by the flooding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I also find it ironic that I rode Wilsons Creek (upper creek/barkhouse/ripshin/headleys) three days ago and the trails were in perfect shape, while the "sustainable" trails at RKP were closed.
    A few notes... RKP was covered in snow at the time that you rode in Wilson Creek. Its much higher up. The trails that you rode in WC are all south-facing. RKP is mostly north facing and the majority of the trails remain shaded this time of year. I also rode in WC over the weekend and it was in prime shape!

    Edit: Everyone in this latest discussion... Let's all meet up at RKP and have this same discussion in the parking lot! Its pointless if you have never even been there and seen for your own eyes what its like!

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    Mike's comment about the north facing aspect of Rocky Knob is so true. The northern exposure is what keeps snow lover's coming here to the High Country. Anyone that lives around here can tell you that a north facing area gets way more snow than any south facing slopes, mostly due to the prevailing wind direction. While this benefits Rocky knob in the summer with cooler temperatures, it also hinders riding in the winter. Rocky Knob is at it's location because that's where the land purchase was available. Any north facing slopes above 3000 feet have been quite wet this winter and RKP is no exception. It is a unique area with unique challenges. Let's enjoy what we've got!

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    Hey!

    Well, the knob is now open! There is still heavy equipment on site at the kiddie park but the trails are open. We did have a severe storm last night that dumped a bunch of rain but should be reasonably dry this weekend. I like the dirt/clay a little tacky myself.

    Now if I can just finish getting my Blur assembled...

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    Great new promo video:

    Rocky Knob Park // Promo - YouTube

    Grand Opening celebration this Sat:
    Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park | North Carolina's Mountain Bike Park

    See you there.

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    I cannot wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikesrock View Post
    I cannot wait.
    ...for it to quit raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    ...for it to quit raining.
    You can say that again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Great new promo video:

    Rocky Knob Park // Promo - YouTube

    Grand Opening celebration this Sat:
    Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park | North Carolina's Mountain Bike Park

    See you there.
    Hey woodman, we (Boone Bike) have been planning for Sunday the 5th. Is that the right day?

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    Going to sell my bike and get one of these instead...

    Rocky Knob Park- Boone NC-toyo-octopus-o.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    Hey woodman, we (Boone Bike) have been planning for Sunday the 5th. Is that the right day?
    Cinco de mayo, yes that is what I am seeing.. My anniversary as well, and I will be spending it riding with you good folk instead of with my wife. Needless to say, she is awesome and very understanding.

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    It is going to be so fun.

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    Boone Bike will not be taking demos Sunday.Going to rain...a lot.

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