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    There is such thing is packing trail too close for the sake of mileage that draws away from the experience. I don't feel it particularly appealing when I see multiple riders crisscrossing back and forth for a few miles throughout the trail. Often these over stacked trails have sections where they ran out of space and are building within unsuitable terrain like drainage areas and low flat spots that stay muddy throughout fall winter and spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    There is such thing is packing trail too close for the sake of mileage that draws away from the experience. I don't feel it particularly appealing when I see multiple riders crisscrossing back and forth for a few miles throughout the trail. Often these over stacked trails have sections where they ran out of space and are building within unsuitable terrain like drainage areas and low flat spots that stay muddy throughout fall winter and spring.
    That's a good point, but isn't that also a function of the amount of traffic ( local population) ? If I don't see another rider, it doesn't bother me if the trails are stacked.
    Sounds like the skills park is the big draw which should further reduce the pressure on the trails. As far as unsuitable terrain, well all I can say is the
    RKP trails are currently closed anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikesrock View Post
    My names Will Vandenberg. Lets ride sometime
    You're on! Just as soon as the weather mellows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    That's a good point, but isn't that also a function of the amount of traffic ( local population) ? If I don't see another rider, it doesn't bother me if the trails are stacked.
    Sounds like the skills park is the big draw which should further reduce the pressure on the trails. As far as unsuitable terrain, well all I can say is the
    RKP trails are currently closed anyway.
    I was more talking about leaving a buffer between trail. Here in Raleigh, the population is much denser than the available trail systems. So you are definitely going to see traffic on a trail such as Lake Crabtree County Park but at least there is some growth and forest buffer between the trail you are on and another loop or the switchback trail. There is at least one trail in my area that I still enjoy riding, drain\dries very well and has made great use of the terrain and features but you can almost touch the other riders on other trails. There is a high percentage of mileage per acreage but you lose some of the remoteness when you want to 'get away' from it all. Other examples are non-legit trails where no thought has been given for resource management of the property and they've squeezed trail down in the drainage areas and low spots for the sake of mileage. These sections never drain and dry until prolonged periods of no rain and sunlight. Closing trails after some rain\snow doesn't bother me. I imagine RKP drains extremely well and opens quickly. I think it's a small price for long term less maintenance needed trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    It is a quality over quanity situation. The park is the first of it's kind in NC and has a jump trail, hucks off of rocks, and log skinnies leading to rock hucks. And yes, I have seen folks from all over riding there including kids who live in Brevard.
    We have had trails like that for nearly 20 years in clt

    First of its kind in what way? Not 100% volunteer built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    I was more talking about leaving a buffer between trail. Here in Raleigh, the population is much denser than the available trail systems. So you are definitely going to see traffic on a trail such as Lake Crabtree County Park but at least there is some growth and forest buffer between the trail you are on and another loop or the switchback trail. There is at least one trail in my area that I still enjoy riding, drain\dries very well and has made great use of the terrain and features but you can almost touch the other riders on other trails. There is a high percentage of mileage per acreage but you lose some of the remoteness when you want to 'get away' from it all. Other examples are non-legit trails where no thought has been given for resource management of the property and they've squeezed trail down in the drainage areas and low spots for the sake of mileage. These sections never drain and dry until prolonged periods of no rain and sunlight. Closing trails after some rain\snow doesn't bother me. I imagine RKP drains extremely well and opens quickly. I think it's a small price for long term less maintenance needed trails.
    "Remoteness"? In Raleigh? I would think y'all would be thankful to just see some dirt.

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    The flaw in this whole discussion over the past two days is separating quantity from quality. For most people in most circumstances, quality and quantity are synonyms, not antonyms- at least in regards to trails. Think about it this way- if all we had was 8 miles of awesome trail in Pisgah district, nobody would travel here to ride. Instead, we have about 170 miles of open trail and many many more miles of road/ two track, a small% of which matches the "quality" definition from a sustainable trails perspective. It's the quantity that makes this a destination. The trend, intentional or not, to separate quality from quantity is detrimental to me (and many others I know) as a mountain biker.

    EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack. If I go Wilkesboro to camp/ride for the weekend some time this summer, I also intend to check out Rocky Knob. It does look like something fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown View Post
    The flaw in this whole discussion over the past two days is seperating quantity from quality. For most people in most circumstances, quality and quantity are synonyms, not antonyms- at least in regards to trails. Think about it this way- if all we had was 8 miles of awesome trail in Pisgah district, nobody would travel here to ride. Instead, we have about 170 miles of open trail and many many more miles of road/ two track, a small% of which matches the "quality" definition from a sustainable trails perspective. It's the quantity that makes this a destination. The trend, intentional or not, to seperate quality from quantity is detrimental to me (and many others I know) as a mountain biker.

    EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack. If I go Wilkesboro to camp/ride for the weekend some time this summer, I also intend to check out Rocky Knob. It does look like somethinf fun!
    Well said. The best thing the Boone TDA could do would be to market RKP as the hub of the wheel, with Wilkesboro,Damascus & Wilson's Creek all within striking distance. That's the only possible way to tout Rocky Knob as a destination.
    I also find it ironic that I rode Wilsons Creek (upper creek/barkhouse/ripshin/headleys) three days ago and the trails were in perfect shape, while the "sustainable" trails at RKP were closed.
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    I could definitely spend all day out there. Two loops for 16 miles, spending time in the skills area and 4-5 sessions on PB and J then to Mellow Mushroom would be a grand single day. Two different bikes would be ideal.

    However, since I am driving from Raleigh, I would need to add Kerr Scott or Wilson's Creek into the destination. Or even Sugar if it was summer. Last time I went there was in the summer and we stayed at Kerr Scott, next time I will camp in Boone where it's much cooler.

    Any way, back to 'destination'. I looked through the previous remarks and didn't see anybody referencing destination until we starting talking about mileage per acreage.

    Ultimately, RKP is a great addition to that portion of the mountains. It would be great to see more mileage in the Boone area and hopefully Beech, Sugar, RKP will influence more doors to open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    Any way, back to 'destination'. I looked through the previous remarks and didn't see anybody referencing destination until we starting talking about mileage per acreage.
    Destination has been the mantra from the get go...page 1 second post. You have to understand that any good contractor needs to meet the objectives of his employer and the foremost objective of the TDA is to enhance lodging in Boone.

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    I have traveled to ride Rocky Knob before and i'll travel to ride there again. Its not the same as Pisgah and that's part of the reason to go there. I do travel to ride allot, way more than most people especially non racers. Besides being top notch trails unlike anything else around, Rocky Knob is in a good spot between several other riding destinations; Wilson's, Pisgah, Bannerelk resorts, Damascus etc... its very easy to spend a day at Rocky Knob and get a full plate, enjoy Boone (possibly my favorite town in the South East) and hit another nearby destination the next day. As a tip, the trip from Boone to Damascus passing by the Grayson Highlands is one of the most scenic areas in our part of the country. Not every destination has to have hundreds of miles of trail to be worthwhile.

    Keep it up Boone!

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    Yeah, I don't want to sound like I'm being critical of Rocky Knob itself; it sounds like an awesome development and I hope to see it myself soon. Please understand that. My comment was more a general observation of new trail developments/ advocacy efforts- which is why I called it a semi-hijack.

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    I live in Boone, and its worth mentioning that about a month or two ago we received one of the heaviest rains this area has seen in a long time. There was a lot of flooding, picnic tables from around the greenway are still several hundred yards away from where they started. The weather hasn't allowed a trail work day since, and its my understanding that the temporary closure has a lot to do with washouts caused by the flooding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I also find it ironic that I rode Wilsons Creek (upper creek/barkhouse/ripshin/headleys) three days ago and the trails were in perfect shape, while the "sustainable" trails at RKP were closed.
    A few notes... RKP was covered in snow at the time that you rode in Wilson Creek. Its much higher up. The trails that you rode in WC are all south-facing. RKP is mostly north facing and the majority of the trails remain shaded this time of year. I also rode in WC over the weekend and it was in prime shape!

    Edit: Everyone in this latest discussion... Let's all meet up at RKP and have this same discussion in the parking lot! Its pointless if you have never even been there and seen for your own eyes what its like!

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    Mike's comment about the north facing aspect of Rocky Knob is so true. The northern exposure is what keeps snow lover's coming here to the High Country. Anyone that lives around here can tell you that a north facing area gets way more snow than any south facing slopes, mostly due to the prevailing wind direction. While this benefits Rocky knob in the summer with cooler temperatures, it also hinders riding in the winter. Rocky Knob is at it's location because that's where the land purchase was available. Any north facing slopes above 3000 feet have been quite wet this winter and RKP is no exception. It is a unique area with unique challenges. Let's enjoy what we've got!

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    Hey!

    Well, the knob is now open! There is still heavy equipment on site at the kiddie park but the trails are open. We did have a severe storm last night that dumped a bunch of rain but should be reasonably dry this weekend. I like the dirt/clay a little tacky myself.

    Now if I can just finish getting my Blur assembled...

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    Great new promo video:

    Rocky Knob Park // Promo - YouTube

    Grand Opening celebration this Sat:
    Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park | North Carolina's Mountain Bike Park

    See you there.

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    I cannot wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikesrock View Post
    I cannot wait.
    ...for it to quit raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    ...for it to quit raining.
    You can say that again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Great new promo video:

    Rocky Knob Park // Promo - YouTube

    Grand Opening celebration this Sat:
    Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park | North Carolina's Mountain Bike Park

    See you there.
    Hey woodman, we (Boone Bike) have been planning for Sunday the 5th. Is that the right day?

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    Going to sell my bike and get one of these instead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    Hey woodman, we (Boone Bike) have been planning for Sunday the 5th. Is that the right day?
    Cinco de mayo, yes that is what I am seeing.. My anniversary as well, and I will be spending it riding with you good folk instead of with my wife. Needless to say, she is awesome and very understanding.

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    It is going to be so fun.

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    Boone Bike will not be taking demos Sunday.Going to rain...a lot.

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