Rocky Knob Park- Boone NC

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  • 12-04-2012
    kdtanker
    This places sounds cool can hardly wait to try it.
  • 12-05-2012
    jayjudy13
    I got to ride a short loop last night, finished with the PB n J trail... Lot of fun. I'm going to try to get a little more in tomorrow morning before I head back (if I can stand the cold) great trail, glad I stopped by. Props to those who contributed!
  • 12-08-2012
    trap121
    How long does RN close in the winter?
  • 12-08-2012
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    How long does RN close in the winter?

    No specfic schedule. They close it when hard freezes begin and freeze/thaw action and bikes cuase tread damage. It would open the following spring when hard freezes seem to be over with. Needless to say, winters vary these days. I lived in Boone for 15 years stating back in the early 80s, back then the area would be under snow by now. Climate change has extended the riding season and the riding should still be good up there now, but I would guess the days are numbered for this year.
  • 12-10-2012
    motomike
    The trails are in great shape as of yesterday
  • 12-10-2012
    Lule
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by motomike View Post
    The trails are in great shape as of yesterday

    Yes they were! But...

    we're about to have some significant rain today with snow this evening followed by freeze/thaw for the foreseeable future.
  • 12-10-2012
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    Yes they were! But...

    we're about to have some significant rain today with snow this evening followed by freeze/thaw for the foreseeable future.


    That could be the game changer for trail conditions. When it gets cold but the tread soil is pretty dry, feeze does not have much effect. With rain and then weather gets cold, the freezing of soil and expansion is what breaks the soil apart. Best time to ride when those conditions set it is morning when things are still frozen.
  • 12-10-2012
    ncps
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carverboy View Post
    anyone Know why the pump track was removed?
    Are they going to build another?

    The PT was removed to build a bigger and better one; the previous two were temporary. You'll definitely see a new one by early spring. It will be at the "sunset skills area" as noted on this map.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    No specfic schedule. They close it when hard freezes begin and freeze/thaw action and bikes cuase tread damage.

    Yes, as Woodman says, there is no schedule for this. RKP is a Watauga County park, and last year a representative from the county made the call to close the trails and protect the resource. This could happen again. From what I hear, the long-range plan is to add more DGA to the lowest loop which will help the situation.

    If all or a portion of the trails close, it will be posted on the RKP blog and the Twitter site.
  • 12-10-2012
    Woodman
    The built up area where the Sunset Skills area is to be is not huge. Big enough for a pump track, but not much more. The steep edge drop off will mean there needs to be a setback for safety reasons. There is not a good way to get a roll in for the pump track.

    I would expect that this new 3 try pump track will be bigger but not by much. Some sunset watching benches outside of the PT would be a good addition.

    RKP is an awesome place. Kudos to Boone Area Cyclists for the dedication to make this happen, we really enjoyed working with the local riders. See you in spring when I have my scheduled site visit and risk management inspection.
  • 12-10-2012
    Let's Ride
    What is the current mileage?


    What's the timetable for opening new sections?
  • 12-11-2012
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Let's Ride View Post
    What is the current mileage?


    What's the timetable for opening new sections?

    Total mileage is around 8 now, with 4 skills areas. As far as I know, everything opened this year. No new sections to open.
  • 12-11-2012
    jayjudy13
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    I had a great ride last Thursday morning before heading back south to the flatlands. I didn't have a ton of time but it was well worth getting up extra early. It was about 28 degrees out, good times.
  • 03-14-2013
    Bikesrock
    I can't sit still. Must ride must ride must ride must ride......
  • 03-17-2013
    1-track-mind
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Total mileage is around 8 now, with 4 skills areas. As far as I know, everything opened this year. No new sections to open.

    So, a total of 8 miles of trails in a 185 acre park ??? I'm not sure I would call that a "destination"...
  • 03-18-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    So, a total of 8 miles of trails in a 185 acre park ??? I'm not sure I would call that a "destination"...

    It is a quality over quanity situation. The park is the first of it's kind in NC and has a jump trail, hucks off of rocks, and log skinnies leading to rock hucks. And yes, I have seen folks from all over riding there including kids who live in Brevard.
  • 03-18-2013
    Lule
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    So, a total of 8 miles of trails in a 185 acre park ??? I'm not sure I would call that a "destination"...

    Don't be so "Walmart-y" about the distance.

    That 8 miles require skill, finesse, confidence, and a reasonable level of fitness.

    Come to our park and ride up to the top and back down without dabbing or clear all of the technical features on the trails or in the skills areas.

    After you've mastered the trails, roll into town and have a delicious beer at our new brewery! Shoot, I'll buy you one if you clear the skinny-rock-skinny-rock-drop in the advanced skills area.

    Come and enjoy what we've built!

    Lule
  • 03-18-2013
    Lule
    RKP video
    If you haven't seen this...

    http://vimeo.com/tommypenick/rockyknobpark

    Lule
  • 03-18-2013
    Woodman
    :thumbsup:
  • 03-18-2013
    1-track-mind
    I rode the trails last fall and they are beyond great. I'm just wondering if there is room for expansion down the road, or will it always be 8 miles. I'm glad that the park is filling the free ride niche for younger riders, but my technical riding days are over. But hey, I'm all in when you guys come up with a declining skills park.
  • 03-18-2013
    Woodman
    There is not really much room for more trail at Rocky Knob and the building is very difficult and nearly impossible to build easy trail in due to all the rock. Boone Area Cyclist are working with TDA to identify a new location for additional trails, and hopefully some true beginer trail.

    From a contractors standpoint, BAC and TDA were great to work with. I have a scheduled risk management inspection coming up and I look forward to visiting the knob and get a ride in as well as my work.
  • 03-18-2013
    1-track-mind
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    There is not really much room for more trail at Rocky Knob and the building is very difficult and nearly impossible to build easy trail in due to all the rock. Boone Area Cyclist are working with TDA to identify a new location for additional trails, and hopefully some true beginer trail.

    From a contractors standpoint, BAC and TDA were great to work with. I have a scheduled risk management inspection coming up and I look forward to visiting the knob and get a ride in as well as my work.

    Thanks. I know it varies with the terrain, but how many acres do you typically need to get a mile of trail ? I guess I was expecting 185 acres to produce more mileage, but I recognize the terrain and rocks were a bear on this one.
  • 03-18-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    Thanks. I know it varies with the terrain, but how many acres do you typically need to get a mile of trail ? I guess I was expecting 185 acres to produce more mileage, but I recognize the terrain and rocks were a bear on this one.

    You answered your question with the opening statement, it varies greatly by terrian. There are many other variables to the question:

    -How much trail density is allowed, desired, and makes sense?
    -How much trail can be afforded by the land managing agency or private land owner?
    -Do you want to have a sense of "being out there" or are trails on top of trails OK?
    -Vegatation provides some barrier from one trail to the next, how thick is the under-story?
    -How steep is the land and is it possible to build many or only few turns and switchbacks?
  • 03-18-2013
    1-track-mind
    I was reading the reviews and one guy mentioned that the price tag on RKP was a million dollars ! Is that accurate ?
  • 03-18-2013
    Bikesrock
    I live in Boone. Lets ride when it opens.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    Don't be so "Walmart-y" about the distance.

    That 8 miles require skill, finesse, confidence, and a reasonable level of fitness.

    Come to our park and ride up to the top and back down without dabbing or clear all of the technical features on the trails or in the skills areas.

    After you've mastered the trails, roll into town and have a delicious beer at our new brewery! Shoot, I'll buy you one if you clear the skinny-rock-skinny-rock-drop in the advanced skills area.

    Come and enjoy what we've built!

    Lule

    My names Will Vandenberg. Lets ride sometime
  • 03-18-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I was reading the reviews and one guy mentioned that the price tag on RKP was a million dollars ! Is that accurate ?

    No!!!!!!! Not any where close to that large of a number. Don't believe enverything you hear (or read on the intertubes).
  • 03-18-2013
    dhouskee
    There is such thing is packing trail too close for the sake of mileage that draws away from the experience. I don't feel it particularly appealing when I see multiple riders crisscrossing back and forth for a few miles throughout the trail. Often these over stacked trails have sections where they ran out of space and are building within unsuitable terrain like drainage areas and low flat spots that stay muddy throughout fall winter and spring.
  • 03-18-2013
    1-track-mind
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    There is such thing is packing trail too close for the sake of mileage that draws away from the experience. I don't feel it particularly appealing when I see multiple riders crisscrossing back and forth for a few miles throughout the trail. Often these over stacked trails have sections where they ran out of space and are building within unsuitable terrain like drainage areas and low flat spots that stay muddy throughout fall winter and spring.

    That's a good point, but isn't that also a function of the amount of traffic ( local population) ? If I don't see another rider, it doesn't bother me if the trails are stacked.
    Sounds like the skills park is the big draw which should further reduce the pressure on the trails. As far as unsuitable terrain, well all I can say is the
    RKP trails are currently closed anyway.
  • 03-18-2013
    Lule
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikesrock View Post
    My names Will Vandenberg. Lets ride sometime

    You're on! Just as soon as the weather mellows...
  • 03-18-2013
    dhouskee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    That's a good point, but isn't that also a function of the amount of traffic ( local population) ? If I don't see another rider, it doesn't bother me if the trails are stacked.
    Sounds like the skills park is the big draw which should further reduce the pressure on the trails. As far as unsuitable terrain, well all I can say is the
    RKP trails are currently closed anyway.

    I was more talking about leaving a buffer between trail. Here in Raleigh, the population is much denser than the available trail systems. So you are definitely going to see traffic on a trail such as Lake Crabtree County Park but at least there is some growth and forest buffer between the trail you are on and another loop or the switchback trail. There is at least one trail in my area that I still enjoy riding, drain\dries very well and has made great use of the terrain and features but you can almost touch the other riders on other trails. There is a high percentage of mileage per acreage but you lose some of the remoteness when you want to 'get away' from it all. Other examples are non-legit trails where no thought has been given for resource management of the property and they've squeezed trail down in the drainage areas and low spots for the sake of mileage. These sections never drain and dry until prolonged periods of no rain and sunlight. Closing trails after some rain\snow doesn't bother me. I imagine RKP drains extremely well and opens quickly. I think it's a small price for long term less maintenance needed trails.
  • 03-18-2013
    supercusty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    It is a quality over quanity situation. The park is the first of it's kind in NC and has a jump trail, hucks off of rocks, and log skinnies leading to rock hucks. And yes, I have seen folks from all over riding there including kids who live in Brevard.

    We have had trails like that for nearly 20 years in clt

    First of its kind in what way? Not 100% volunteer built?
  • 03-18-2013
    mbmb65
    Rocky Knob Park- Boone NC
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    I was more talking about leaving a buffer between trail. Here in Raleigh, the population is much denser than the available trail systems. So you are definitely going to see traffic on a trail such as Lake Crabtree County Park but at least there is some growth and forest buffer between the trail you are on and another loop or the switchback trail. There is at least one trail in my area that I still enjoy riding, drain\dries very well and has made great use of the terrain and features but you can almost touch the other riders on other trails. There is a high percentage of mileage per acreage but you lose some of the remoteness when you want to 'get away' from it all. Other examples are non-legit trails where no thought has been given for resource management of the property and they've squeezed trail down in the drainage areas and low spots for the sake of mileage. These sections never drain and dry until prolonged periods of no rain and sunlight. Closing trails after some rain\snow doesn't bother me. I imagine RKP drains extremely well and opens quickly. I think it's a small price for long term less maintenance needed trails.

    "Remoteness"? In Raleigh? I would think y'all would be thankful to just see some dirt.
  • 03-19-2013
    Mike Brown
    The flaw in this whole discussion over the past two days is separating quantity from quality. For most people in most circumstances, quality and quantity are synonyms, not antonyms- at least in regards to trails. Think about it this way- if all we had was 8 miles of awesome trail in Pisgah district, nobody would travel here to ride. Instead, we have about 170 miles of open trail and many many more miles of road/ two track, a small% of which matches the "quality" definition from a sustainable trails perspective. It's the quantity that makes this a destination. The trend, intentional or not, to separate quality from quantity is detrimental to me (and many others I know) as a mountain biker.

    EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack. If I go Wilkesboro to camp/ride for the weekend some time this summer, I also intend to check out Rocky Knob. It does look like something fun!
  • 03-19-2013
    1-track-mind
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike Brown View Post
    The flaw in this whole discussion over the past two days is seperating quantity from quality. For most people in most circumstances, quality and quantity are synonyms, not antonyms- at least in regards to trails. Think about it this way- if all we had was 8 miles of awesome trail in Pisgah district, nobody would travel here to ride. Instead, we have about 170 miles of open trail and many many more miles of road/ two track, a small% of which matches the "quality" definition from a sustainable trails perspective. It's the quantity that makes this a destination. The trend, intentional or not, to seperate quality from quantity is detrimental to me (and many others I know) as a mountain biker.

    EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack. If I go Wilkesboro to camp/ride for the weekend some time this summer, I also intend to check out Rocky Knob. It does look like somethinf fun!

    Well said. The best thing the Boone TDA could do would be to market RKP as the hub of the wheel, with Wilkesboro,Damascus & Wilson's Creek all within striking distance. That's the only possible way to tout Rocky Knob as a destination.
    I also find it ironic that I rode Wilsons Creek (upper creek/barkhouse/ripshin/headleys) three days ago and the trails were in perfect shape, while the "sustainable" trails at RKP were closed.
  • 03-19-2013
    dhouskee
    I could definitely spend all day out there. Two loops for 16 miles, spending time in the skills area and 4-5 sessions on PB and J then to Mellow Mushroom would be a grand single day. Two different bikes would be ideal.

    However, since I am driving from Raleigh, I would need to add Kerr Scott or Wilson's Creek into the destination. Or even Sugar if it was summer. Last time I went there was in the summer and we stayed at Kerr Scott, next time I will camp in Boone where it's much cooler.

    Any way, back to 'destination'. I looked through the previous remarks and didn't see anybody referencing destination until we starting talking about mileage per acreage.

    Ultimately, RKP is a great addition to that portion of the mountains. It would be great to see more mileage in the Boone area and hopefully Beech, Sugar, RKP will influence more doors to open.
  • 03-19-2013
    1-track-mind
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dhouskee View Post
    Any way, back to 'destination'. I looked through the previous remarks and didn't see anybody referencing destination until we starting talking about mileage per acreage.

    Destination has been the mantra from the get go...page 1 second post. You have to understand that any good contractor needs to meet the objectives of his employer and the foremost objective of the TDA is to enhance lodging in Boone.
  • 03-19-2013
    Endomaniac
    I have traveled to ride Rocky Knob before and i'll travel to ride there again. Its not the same as Pisgah and that's part of the reason to go there. I do travel to ride allot, way more than most people especially non racers. Besides being top notch trails unlike anything else around, Rocky Knob is in a good spot between several other riding destinations; Wilson's, Pisgah, Bannerelk resorts, Damascus etc... its very easy to spend a day at Rocky Knob and get a full plate, enjoy Boone (possibly my favorite town in the South East) and hit another nearby destination the next day. As a tip, the trip from Boone to Damascus passing by the Grayson Highlands is one of the most scenic areas in our part of the country. Not every destination has to have hundreds of miles of trail to be worthwhile.

    Keep it up Boone!
  • 03-19-2013
    Mike Brown
    Yeah, I don't want to sound like I'm being critical of Rocky Knob itself; it sounds like an awesome development and I hope to see it myself soon. Please understand that. My comment was more a general observation of new trail developments/ advocacy efforts- which is why I called it a semi-hijack.
  • 03-21-2013
    bettisbrandon
    I live in Boone, and its worth mentioning that about a month or two ago we received one of the heaviest rains this area has seen in a long time. There was a lot of flooding, picnic tables from around the greenway are still several hundred yards away from where they started. The weather hasn't allowed a trail work day since, and its my understanding that the temporary closure has a lot to do with washouts caused by the flooding.
  • 03-23-2013
    motomike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-track-mind View Post
    I also find it ironic that I rode Wilsons Creek (upper creek/barkhouse/ripshin/headleys) three days ago and the trails were in perfect shape, while the "sustainable" trails at RKP were closed.

    A few notes... RKP was covered in snow at the time that you rode in Wilson Creek. Its much higher up. The trails that you rode in WC are all south-facing. RKP is mostly north facing and the majority of the trails remain shaded this time of year. I also rode in WC over the weekend and it was in prime shape!

    Edit: Everyone in this latest discussion... Let's all meet up at RKP and have this same discussion in the parking lot! Its pointless if you have never even been there and seen for your own eyes what its like!
  • 03-24-2013
    headwaters
    Mike's comment about the north facing aspect of Rocky Knob is so true. The northern exposure is what keeps snow lover's coming here to the High Country. Anyone that lives around here can tell you that a north facing area gets way more snow than any south facing slopes, mostly due to the prevailing wind direction. While this benefits Rocky knob in the summer with cooler temperatures, it also hinders riding in the winter. Rocky Knob is at it's location because that's where the land purchase was available. Any north facing slopes above 3000 feet have been quite wet this winter and RKP is no exception. It is a unique area with unique challenges. Let's enjoy what we've got!
  • 04-12-2013
    Lule
    Hey!

    Well, the knob is now open! There is still heavy equipment on site at the kiddie park but the trails are open. We did have a severe storm last night that dumped a bunch of rain but should be reasonably dry this weekend. I like the dirt/clay a little tacky myself.

    Now if I can just finish getting my Blur assembled...
  • 05-02-2013
    Woodman
    Great new promo video:

    Rocky Knob Park // Promo - YouTube

    Grand Opening celebration this Sat:
    Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park | North Carolina's Mountain Bike Park

    See you there.
  • 05-02-2013
    Bikesrock
    I cannot wait.
  • 05-02-2013
    Lule
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikesrock View Post
    I cannot wait.

    ...for it to quit raining.
  • 05-02-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    ...for it to quit raining.

    You can say that again:madman:
  • 05-02-2013
    Sugar_Brad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Great new promo video:

    Rocky Knob Park // Promo - YouTube

    Grand Opening celebration this Sat:
    Rocky Knob Mountain Bike Park | North Carolina's Mountain Bike Park

    See you there.

    Hey woodman, we (Boone Bike) have been planning for Sunday the 5th. Is that the right day?
  • 05-02-2013
    Lule
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    Going to sell my bike and get one of these instead...

    Attachment 795506
  • 05-02-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    Hey woodman, we (Boone Bike) have been planning for Sunday the 5th. Is that the right day?

    Cinco de mayo, yes that is what I am seeing.. My anniversary as well, and I will be spending it riding with you good folk instead of with my wife. Needless to say, she is awesome and very understanding.
  • 05-02-2013
    Bikesrock
    It is going to be so fun.
  • 05-04-2013
    Sugar_Brad
    Boone Bike will not be taking demos Sunday.Going to rain...a lot.