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    PMBAR 2010 Results

    To the racers, volunteers, U.S. Forest Service, and especially to my beautiful wife, THANK YOU for making the 2010 Pisgah Mountain Bike Adventure Race the best one yet.

    To finish teams needed to reach 4 out of 5 checkpoints including two mandatory points. Teams that reached all 5 checkpoints received a three hour time bonus.

    Without further ado, Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2010 PMBAR finishers:

    1st ~ Sam Koerber / Bob Koerber / 5CP / 8hr 17min.
    Please note: Sam and Bob were the first finishers AND they got all 5 checkpoints. Wow.
    2nd ~ Dave Simpson / Tal Ingram / 5CP / 9hr 14min.
    3rd ~ Matt Rice / Ben Poss / 5CP / 9hr 23min.


    4 ~ Ross Clark / Bruce Steinfurth / 5CP/ 9hr 48min.
    5 ~ Dave Anderson / Charlie Roberts / 5CP / 9hr 57min.
    6 ~ Chris Bennett / Derek Gentry / 5CP / 9hr 58min.
    7 ~ Ryan Allen / Alex Ransom / 5CP / 10hr 11min
    8 ~ David Cook / Yuri Eliashevsky / 5CP / 10hr 26min.
    9 ~ Clay Faine / Toby Porter / 5CP / 10hr 34min.
    10 ~ Brent Leister / Greg Leister / 5CP / 10hr 41min.
    11 ~ Rich Dillen / Thad Hoffman / 5CP/ 11hr 14min.
    12 ~ Brad Welch / Steve Bennet / 4CP / 8hr 26min.
    13 ~ Rob Roberts / Michael Kanning / 5CP / 11hr 34min.
    14 ~ Ryan Bell / Nathan Helms / 5CP / 12hr 6min.
    15 ~ Eddie Odea / Namrita Odea / 4CP / 9hr 6min.
    16 ~ Kip Clyburn / Paul Stahlschmidt / 5CP / 12hr 11 min
    17 ~ Ed Moreadith / Rob Kranz / 4CP / 9hr 26min.
    18 ~ Zack H8 Broussard / Dennis ****z / 4CP / 9hr 40min.
    19 ~ Joe Pelton / Jonathan LeRoy / 4CP / 9hr 46min.
    20 ~ Jim Stranix / David Parsons-Foresi / 4CP / 9hr 53min.
    21 ~ JD Powers / Ben Swadley / 4CP / 10hr 1min.
    22 ~ Bruce Dale / Innes Wright / 4CP / 10hr 6min.
    23 ~ Kelly Bond / Chad Banner / 4CP / 10hr 7min.
    24 ~ Kelly Klett / Jeff Dennison / 4CP / 10hr 9min.
    25 ~ Eric Christian / Mike Rischitelli / 5CP / 13hr 23 min.
    26 ~ Daniel Wren / Chris Young / 4CP / 10hr 40min.
    27 ~ Ed Merritt / Brandon Merritt / 4CP / 10hr 48min.
    28 ~ Richard Stem / Marshall Thompson / 4CP / 10hr 50min.
    29 ~ Mike Brown / Ian Baldwin / 4CP / 10hr 50min.
    30 ~ Luther Papenfus (solo unofficial) / 4CP / 10hr 54min
    30 ~ Tom Hartenstein / Jeff Williams / 4CP / 11hr 2min.
    31 ~ Patrick McMahon / Michael Bucking / 4CP / 11hr 4min.
    32 ~ Ben Appleby / Bob Lambertson / 4CP / 11hr 6min.
    33 ~ James Carlisle / James Johnson / 4CP / 11hr 10min.
    34 ~ Cissy Fowler / Jennifer Rinderle / 4CP / 11hr 13min.
    35 ~ Denise Sauerbrey / Rob Keener / 4CP / 11hr 15min.
    36 ~ Richard Auerwick / Rob Gosline / 4CP / 11hr 18min.
    37 ~ Camye Womble / Tim Bedard / 4CP / 11hr 26min.
    38 ~ Mike Brown / Asa MArshall / 4CP / 11hr 28min.
    39 ~ James Haskins / Jay Lundi / 4CP / 11hr 36min.
    40 ~ Andy Etters / Mert Dunne / 4CP / 11hr 43min.
    41 ~ Randy King / Randy Lewis / 4CP / 11hr 52min.
    42 ~ LeAnne McCann / Jon Carmack / 4CP / 11hr 54min.
    43 ~ Paul Diemer / Gordon Jenks / 4CP/ 11hr 55min.
    44 ~ Luis Calderon / Karlos Rodriguez / 4CP / 12hr 2min.
    45 ~ LG Porter / Erik Caldwell / 4CP / 12hr 17min.
    46 ~ Shanna Powell / Laura Goetz / 4CP /12hr 22min.
    47 ~ Curtis Burge / Robert Peerson / 4CP / 12hr 25min *edit* 5CP 16th place
    48 ~ Cameron Frasier / Francis Corbin / 4CP / 12hr 27min.
    49 ~ Rob Coulter / Rich Davis / 4CP / 12hr 34min.
    50 ~ Emily Brock / Amanda Wisell / 4CP 12hr 57min.
    51 ~ Beau Bethel / Clifton Schmitt / 4CP / 13hr 3 min.
    52 ~ Anne Bringuier / Randal Tuttel / 4CP / 13hr 10min.
    53 ~ Eric Bannan / Tim Julian / 4CP / 13hr 23min.
    54 ~ Eric Gadlage / Bryon Horn / 4CP / 13hr 42min
    55 ~ Samual Props / Chris Hansen / 4CP / 13hr 47 min.

    edit Jeremy Hargroves / Katherine Miller / 4 CP / 11hr 51 min /40th Place
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    To the racers, volunteers, U.S. Forest Service, and especially to my beautiful wife, THANK YOU for making the 2010 Pisgah Mountain Bike Adventure Race the best one yet.

    Hooray, we won the race for 11th place.
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    Does that mean that 45 teams either didn't show or DNFed? Dang! But, hey, we managed 3 checkpoints before our 7pm Turkey Pen extraction. The cramping was only getting worse and had to make a collective decision. As usual, though, I'm glad I was able to make the attempt and regret nothing but the lack of riding time over the winter.

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    Way to go everyone! Especially Ben Poss....3rd place, 10 months after literally blowing up a lower leg and ankle on the trail!

    I had a blast working the 5000/Spencer CP.....see y'all next year!
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    You can answer me now or listen to me later....

    Did the majority of the top teams go counter clockwise? Make me kick myself in the ass a little harder.
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    Major props to the top three, all great people, locals, dropping it down...

    It blows my mind that Poss crushed it like that. He should do a P90x promo.....

    Great race as always, E. plume, sorry again for explodin'....

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    You can answer me now or listen to me later....

    Did the majority of the top teams go counter clockwise? Make me kick myself in the ass a little harder.
    The top 10 was split half and half, I believe. Top 3 all went counter clockwise.
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    What a great event. Big Kudos to the organizers and volunteers. Every Volunteer at the four checkpoints we hit were super friendly and most riders were willing to help a couple of newbs with map help/directional advice.
    If there was a category for: First Timers, 40+, on Single Speeds, I am pretty sure we made top five!

    By the way, I twice ran into a guy riding with a busted top tube...did he actually finish the even???
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    The top 10 was split half and half, I believe. Top 3 all went counter clockwise.

    I'm hiring a consultant next year....





    as I'm sure the only thing that separated us from the Koerbers was route selection.
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    Clockwise more or less for us. Black>Maxwell>Claw>Buckhorn>SM river> 476>1206>hiked pilot>Laurel>then hit 5000 CP back to Bradley Creek Rd.> LC/Bradley CP> Cantrell>up Horse cove and then whatever that double track is down to 476> 1206 then headed to 225 CP back 477 to Clawhammer> Maxwell> Black to the finish. I think what sucked the life from us was Laurel Creek all the way to the top of Horse Cove. Not complaining though, could not think of a better way to spend a day than riding with so many fine folks on the best trails in the land.

    Huge thanks to Eric and his Pisgah Productions for putting this event on. Also a huge thank you to all the volunteers that helped make it happen. Totally stellar event. See you next year. Greg L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    Did the majority of the top teams go counter clockwise? Make me kick myself in the ass a little harder.
    Ross/Bruce and Charlie and I both went CW - 80 miles total. We were first to the FR 225 checkpoint so I suspect the top 3 teams took a different route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    Hooray, we won the race for 11th place.
    FAIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkjellquist
    Way to go everyone! Especially Ben Poss....3rd place, 10 months after literally blowing up a lower leg and ankle on the trail!

    I had a blast working the 5000/Spencer CP.....see y'all next year!
    Thanks for the beer! It was ice cold and the best thing I've ever tasted!

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    Great job Eric and crew!!

    What a long fun day in the woods. First time finisher!! If I only would have known what finishing 5 min. later would have done for us!! I didn't think we were going to make the time cut off the whole way down black.

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    FWIW from 5000/Spencer....probably 80% of teams were headed to Laurel/Pilot next.
    "Big Gulps huh?...Allllriggghhht....Welp, See ya later!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions

    10 ~ Brent Leister / Greg Leister / 5CP / 10hr 41min.

    Damn, I get on the board and my name isn't even correct! Now, Greg's the man on the SS and I've known him forever-sure, we could be brothers...but mine doesn't have an i...it's LESTER.

    Great race, I'm still ill but man that was a freaking BLAST!! I even dreamed a little dream of cold stream crossings and knarly descents last night! THANK YOU! Pisgah Productions, et al!

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    Tales from the 44th place...

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    Thanks Eric, you're the man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    Thanks for the beer! It was ice cold and the best thing I've ever tasted!

    YEAH TOBY!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ingluis
    Tales from the 44th place...

    http://mucaromtb.blogspot.com/
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    Thanks Eric, you're the man!

    Thanks Eric, as always, We appreciate your hardwork.

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    So yeah, that was pretty awesome. Why are your races on the hottest days of the month. . . geeeeeez.

    Thanks for all the hard work, especially the volunteers that had to bushwack their way out of the checkpoints!!

    So inquiring minds want to know, are there still some free Cannondales hiding in the forest? Was the SAR team we saw going up 477 past White Pines Saturday night deployed for racers?

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    Thanks for the great race again Eric. I missed it last year due to surgery, but came back and had my best team showing yet (my 3rd PMBAR)... even after thinking about quitting at mile 27 due to a hamstring cramp and general lack of readiness, I hung in there for the full 65 (4 CPs). I just kept thinking "keep pedaling, keep pedaling..." Unfortunately I was the weak link on the team, but that's probably what kept me going... just trying to catch up

    I'm curious to know what routes the top teams took. I know some went up and down Pilot Rock and avoided Laurel Mountain... hmmm, is that faster than going up LM and down PR, or vice versa? I'm sure it depends on who's doing it, but for the average rider which is faster?

    FWIW, here's my route... http://connect.garmin.com/activity/31998813
    We did the CCW loop and avoided the CP on 5000 and what I thought would be too much extra climbing.
    I read that on the internet.

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    The VAST majority of teams headed over to Pilot were planning on doing the up & down on Pilot. Maybe one team I spoke to said they were riding Laurel. With a "brisk" pace teams were getting up Pilot in less than an hour. It is/was a much faster route vs. the traditional Laurel/Pilot loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkjellquist
    The VAST majority of teams headed over to Pilot were planning on doing the up & down on Pilot. Maybe one team I spoke to said they were riding Laurel. With a "brisk" pace teams were getting up Pilot in less than an hour. It is/was a much faster route vs. the traditional Laurel/Pilot loop.

    And because of things like this. . . For the first time ever I might agree with TeamDicky. A proposal to close all FS roads except for where we have to cross them.

    Can you imagine? A PMBAR with less than 20 miles on gravel roads? Maybe its insane.
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    That was a great race. Had a blast. Anything I can do to help Eric add another one of his races in the mix let me know. Eric's format for races has got to be my favorite type. Good Times keep them coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by extrmtao
    And because of things like this. . . For the first time ever I might agree with TeamDicky. A proposal to close all FS roads except for where we have to cross them.

    Can you imagine? A PMBAR with less than 20 miles on gravel roads? Maybe its insane.
    Can you imagine the clusterfcuk of trying to police that?
    You can ride 1206 from Pilot to 476 but not 476 to 276 and not 1206 from pilot to laurel 1206 but laurel to 5015 is OK...... non-local racers would be saying WTF is he talking aboot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by extrmtao
    Can you imagine? A PMBAR with less than 20 miles on gravel roads? Maybe its insane.
    I will say that by the time we made it back to 1206 after going up 5015 and then out to 5000 and back, I didn't want any more gravel!

    Then I continued to bonk and cramp the whole way up Laurel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    Can you imagine the clusterfcuk of trying to police that?
    You can ride 1206 from Pilot to 476 but not 476 to 276 and not 1206 from pilot to laurel 1206 but laurel to 5015 is OK...... non-local racers would be saying WTF is he talking aboot?
    True true. . . Like I said, maybe it is insane and apparently it is. I would just end up DQ'd anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40hills
    Thanks for the great race again Eric. I missed it last year due to surgery, but came back and had my best team showing yet (my 3rd PMBAR)... even after thinking about quitting at mile 27 due to a hamstring cramp and general lack of readiness, I hung in there for the full 65 (4 CPs). I just kept thinking "keep pedaling, keep pedaling..." Unfortunately I was the weak link on the team, but that's probably what kept me going... just trying to catch up

    I'm curious to know what routes the top teams took. I know some went up and down Pilot Rock and avoided Laurel Mountain... hmmm, is that faster than going up LM and down PR, or vice versa? I'm sure it depends on who's doing it, but for the average rider which is faster?

    FWIW, here's my route... http://connect.garmin.com/activity/31998813
    We did the CCW loop and avoided the CP on 5000 and what I thought would be too much extra climbing.
    route:
    black>maxwell>477>276>5041>225>CP>back on 225 and 5041>1206>pilot>CP>laurel>1206>5000>CP>5000>1206>5 015>CP>laurel creek>squirrel>CP>finish squierrel>s mills>buckhorn>clawahhmer>maxwell>black

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    I'm still hoping to go back to having 7 checkpoints so there is more variety for when I'm feeling puny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extrmtao
    And because of things like this. . . For the first time ever I might agree with TeamDicky. A proposal to close all FS roads except for where we have to cross them.

    Can you imagine? A PMBAR with less than 20 miles on gravel roads? Maybe its insane.

    Another way to encourage the traditional laurel/pilot loop instead of gravel roads would be to move the checkpoint further down on Laurel. Ride the loop in both directions and place the checkpoint as close as possible to the "true center" (according to riding time) of that loop. Then the only decision that riders have to make is whether to ride it clockwise or counterclockwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikinghawk1
    Another way to encourage the traditional laurel/pilot loop instead of gravel roads would be to move the checkpoint further down on Laurel. Ride the loop in both directions and place the checkpoint as close as possible to the "true center" (according to riding time) of that loop. Then the only decision that riders have to make is whether to ride it clockwise or counterclockwise.
    Five years ago it was at Johnson Gap. Most teams seemed to be going out and back on Laurel....
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    Five years ago it was at Johnson Gap. Most teams seemed to be going out and back on Laurel....
    Gravel haters.

    Five years ago, we rode all the way down 1206 from Yellow Gap, walked up Pilot, then rode
    back down Laurel to Yellow Gap. For some reason.

    That big crazy guy who was working the CP on Laurel was riding with me that year.

    Note that he has the good sense not to do that anymore.
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    Amen to everything Yeti Rider says. this event is awesome. I have no suggestions for anything. I do appreciate the extra hour bonus this year...very nice twist to mix up things from last year even though the CP's were nearly the same. I'm sure there will be more twists next year. Looking forward to it. Well done, Pisgah Productions.

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    Hey everybody! Thanks for all the feedback. A couple of things to think about when talking about CP locations: 1. We are always listening to y'alls comments and take them into consideration. 2. When choosing CP locations we need to consider not only all the possible route choices but the ease/difficulty of setting/manning/tearingdown. Which CP was left unmanned this year? The one that was the furthest away from anything.... 3. If there is something big going on in our lives other than the race (like having a baby), you just may get about the same course as last year. 4. We have stared at the Pisgah map probably longer than anyone on the planet (at least much longer than the editors of the new map) and it can be hard to see something new in something you've seen 10 million times before.

    So, please post ideas for CP locations in this thread. So far I like Johnson Gap.... and a little birdie reminded me about the N.Mills CP from a few years ago where you couldn't use the 'fishermans trail'....What else should we reconsider?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    ... and a little birdie reminded me about the N.Mills CP from a few years ago where you couldn't use the 'fishermans trail'....What else should we reconsider?
    Oooooh, oooh, I was telling my partner this year about that CP from years past. Who is that birdie, I wanna kick'em in the nutz.


    And I've been waiting for the CP at five points in BC for years, but damn, that would be a haul.

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    E- remember that campsite way way down in turkey pen we saw on the ride two years ago? Still think that would make an awesome, easily accessible, totally different CP.

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    Eric, I think you made enough changes (Bradley/Laurel instead of S. Mills, 3 hour time bonus, further up 5000) this year to keep the race fresh and interesting. The Bradley/Laurel CP radically changed the route by not making Turkey Pen Gap the fast way and the three hour bonus meant if you were in it to win, or top 10, you had to get all five. Something like the swinging bridge on North Mills River Trail would make a fun cp but you would have to have someone at Fisherman's to stop teams from taking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    Hey everybody! Thanks for all the feedback. A couple of things to think about when talking about CP locations: 1. We are always listening to y'alls comments and take them into consideration. 2. When choosing CP locations we need to consider not only all the possible route choices but the ease/difficulty of setting/manning/tearingdown. Which CP was left unmanned this year? The one that was the furthest away from anything.... 3. If there is something big going on in our lives other than the race (like having a baby), you just may get about the same course as last year. 4. We have stared at the Pisgah map probably longer than anyone on the planet (at least much longer than the editors of the new map) and it can be hard to see something new in something you've seen 10 million times before.

    So, please post ideas for CP locations in this thread. So far I like Johnson Gap.... and a little birdie reminded me about the N.Mills CP from a few years ago where you couldn't use the 'fishermans trail'....What else should we reconsider?
    if you did a CP at Johnson Gap it would have to be manned, because of the temptation is too great to poach the fall-line connector down to Slate Rock Creek Tr. / Pilot Cove

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    CP ideas... 5CPs or DNF, go BIG or go home

    (would've died if we had gone for 5 this year, there's always next year...)

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    here ya go,
    cps at club gap, pink beds snd 476, swinging bridge at south mils and squirrel, turkey springs gap, yellow gap, bradley creek/laurel creek, chimney on cantrell for 7 total. make 5 mandatory and 2hr bonuses for each extra, with no mandatory... i think this would send people all over the map! we would be in a relatively small area and there would be plenty of out and back stuff so that people would see each other coming and going...
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    I was wishing that there was a checkpoint at Blue Ridge Pkwy and 5000 this year, since we passed the actual checkpoint and rode the whole way up.

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    How about instead of banning certain trails or roads, make some of them ONE WAY ONLY... that way, you could sort of dictate how people get somewhere or leave somewhere, but not both. Like in this year's race maybe Laurel Mtn could have been designated one way DOWN... making people hike up PR, but come down whichever way they want. I haven't thought through how well this would work on various other trails, but it's something to think about.
    I read that on the internet.

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    Race Report

    Great race as always. Best burritos eva!

    Shanna and Laura deserve an award for racing in costume!

    My rather long report is posted here:

    http://trianglemtb.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20334.45

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC_dirtsurfer
    Great race as always. Best burritos eva!

    Shanna and Laura deserve an award for racing in costume!

    My rather long report is posted here:

    http://trianglemtb.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20334.45

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    Rad Write up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by naked indian
    Rad Write up!
    Yeah, great write up! Good job on the finish!
    More Trails, Not Less

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    Another great PMBAR!

    ...unless you decided that Turkey Pen was a viable route choice...

    Anyway, it was still fun! And a huge "thank you" to whoever found and turned in my keys from the start/finish area! I would have hated to have to "retrace" our route looking for them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by rob
    Oooooh, oooh, I was telling my partner this year about that CP from years past. Who is that birdie, I wanna kick'em in the nutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC_dirtsurfer
    Great race as always. Best burritos eva!

    Shanna and Laura deserve an award for racing in costume!

    My rather long report is posted here:

    http://trianglemtb.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20334.45

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    Eric II,

    Great write-up. That was us that found you guys at the Maxwell gate. Glad I could save you from that fateful decision.

    -mike

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    Eric, thanks for the great race this year.

    And thanks to the guy who let me trade a pro bar for half his can of Dale's, yeah I know, you said just a sip but it was ssoooo tasty.

    I'd love to see some checkpoints over in the area Summey/Farlow/Danniel Ridge area. 140A and 5003? Butter Gap maybe?
    Abba Zaba, you my only friend....

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