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    Ok thanks
    Just got back from a night ride
    A buddy of mine said he got nailed there a couple days ago

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    Anyone ridden Butter Gap since it opened for the season?

    Rode Cove Creek and Daniel Ridge a few weeks back and was shocked by the erosion and mud left over from the summer rains.

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    FYI butter is not seasonal just cat gap at the bottom. You can always take longbranch out. I rode them all last week and they are fine including Daniels and cove creek so I'm not sure what you are referring to.

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    I rode Butter Wednesday night (10/23/13) with lights
    The top part of butter is worse this year from the huge rains in July and August but no difference on the lower flatter sections
    The roots are more exposed on the top of Butter when you first drop in

    It's been really dry lately, so no real mud issues on any of the trails in this part of Pisgah that I have ridden
    That's including the pink beds and pink beds connector over to the gauging station (476), which I rode on Sunday
    And also North slope and all the trails across the road, which I did a night ride on recently

    The trails are in excellent condition as of 10/26/13
    The paved roads are choked with leaf lookers, but off road is fine

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    All the trails are cold and frozen. Just in case anyone was wondering....
    many gears, some pies

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    LOL, yes, it was 1 at my house this morning in Pisgah so everything is rock hard out there in the forest

    Climbing up clawhammer feels like you are riding on a concrete surface.

    Most of the trails are dry right now though because of the very low humidity air we have had for a week or so

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    Frozen dirt = good traction
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Some fun sheets of ice when barreling down lower black mtn...just keep the bike pointed straight

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    yeah, I rode up from the parking lot on wednesday. Lots of ice sheets on the lower part of Blk Mtn.

    The back side of North slope along the river had some major ice sheets

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    It is muddy in Bent Creek already.
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    Last week both Alexander Park and Richmond Hill were mud fests. Alexander was actually the better of the two by just a little. With the colder weather setting in trails will of course freeze, but as soon it starts to heave again I believe all trails will need some time to heal. Ride accordingly.
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    Looking to head up to Pisgah to take advantage of the warmish weather this weekend (2/1-2/2). Anybody know how much precipitation they got up there and what trail conditions to expect?

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    Couple inches of snow laying on Brevard now. I'd expect slop for trails

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    The trails will be soft once the snow melts, which it started to do today on the sunny spots. shady areas will take a couple days to melt

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    Thanks everyone. Looks like it's skatepark for me then this weekend.

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    I still go out in loose conditions. I just go slower so as to not rip up the trails or fling mud. Or I will do loops that have way more gravel road than trails.

    Also Dupont is probably way less muddy than Pisgah since it is way sandier at Dupont

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    Yeah, there will be trails that are ok to ride but if you are coming from out of town there is probably a better choice of weekends to choose.

    Also, if you really want to choose a great time to ride up here this time of year, I highly recommend picking a weekend that it will be in the mid 20's to low 30's and the trails stay frozen. Traction is unbelievable, you have the trails mostly to yourself and there will be little wear no matter what the previous days brought.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    I went running at bent creek yesterday and it was an over run mess. are there any dry trails? how's mills river or squirrel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallpaul View Post
    I went running at bent creek yesterday and it was an over run mess. are there any dry trails? how's mills river or squirrel?
    No nothing is dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallpaul View Post
    I went running at bent creek yesterday and it was an over run mess. are there any dry trails? how's mills river or squirrel?
    I am pretty sure it snowed everywhere in the area.
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    Just got back from a fish hatchery area ride.

    Stayed on gravel roads as much as possible.

    Started at 8:45 and it was in the 30's and so the roads were still hard packed and rolling uphill was very fast, but you could see deep muddy bike tracks on 475B from when the road thaws and are soft later in the day.

    475B up to Seniard gate
    left on Seniard, down seniard to 225
    right on 225
    225 connector
    A secret bypass trail down to the gravel road that divides Daniel ridge trail in half
    left down to cove creek campground
    Davidson river back to hatchery
    By the time I got to Davidson river trail it was thawed and complete slop

    had my two dogs with me and so, had to make it a good length that they can handle
    needles to say their bellies were coated in mud

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    I recall someone saying "Tracks on wet trails are not a problem! They don't cause or escalate tread erosion. The soil remains on the tread. It's the trail that causes the problem, not users and definitely not a single day of(maybe) heavier than average use!"

    No worries everyone the rain will wash it all away tonight and tomorrow.


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    The rain moves loose soil from all sort of sources and it also compacts soil!

    Frost heave is a natural force and there is lots of it everywhere
    Frost heave moves soil upward in a way wider tract than a bike tire.

    So soil moves all the time.
    If a trail is that soft and it collects water, then it will be subject to frost heave, footprints, bike tracks, horses, you name it.

    A hard packed, well drained trail does not have all these issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    The rain moves loose soil from all sort of sources and it also compacts soil!

    Frost heave is a natural force and there is lots of it everywhere
    Frost heave moves soil upward in a way wider tract than a bike tire.

    So soil moves all the time.
    If a trail is that soft and it collects water, then it will be subject to frost heave, footprints, bike tracks, horses, you name it.

    A hard packed, well drained trail does not have all these issues


    You are correct about the effects of natural soil movement, it happens. But if you knew trails were going thru this process, with the conditions the way it was this weekend, would you still feel good about riding said trails?

    Those are pictures of climb up(is not flat so it does not collect water) Hardtimes connector, it does not get any more hard packed than that.

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    I don't know about riding wherever those pictures were taken, but each trail and each trail section has it's own character.
    If there's plenty of organic matter on the trail surface, it will be subject to becoming muck whether you ride over it or not.
    The best solution is to make sure wet spots get drained and do not become collection ponds

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    It's probably better to discuss this stuff in another board

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    It's probably better to discuss this stuff in another board
    True but this is about a trail(s) in Pisgah.

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    Yes, but current trail conditions, not trail impact or trail building

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    I'll be in the area for the next couple of days and was wondering what shape the Pisgah gravel roads (479, 5000, 1208) are in? Still a lot of snow?

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    With the warm weather coming, and the rain, there will probably be no snow, but everything will be sloppy wet.
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    The snow is still present in many places and still deep in the places that get no sun

    In the mornings it has a hard frozen top
    In the afternoons when it warms up is is slushy

    I rode/pushed up 475b from the fish hatchery yesterday
    It was an adventure
    No one had been there yet and it was very tough riding

    I turned around up near 225 gate and rode back down 475b

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    The snow is still present in many places and still deep in the places that get no sun

    In the mornings it has a hard frozen top
    In the afternoons when it warms up is is slushy

    I rode/pushed up 475b from the fish hatchery yesterday
    It was an adventure
    No one had been there yet and it was very tough riding

    I turned around up near 225 gate and rode back down 475b
    Similar story for me this morning.

    I got out early enuf to fool the Freeze-Thaw Gods, or so I thought. I rode the 'little m' in Pisgah and it was everything from frozen slush to muddled yuck to crunchy splooge. I got in maybe one or two whoo-hoo's coming down Thrift but that was it. Gonna be awhile 'fore any of it is ride-able again. Dupont's probably the same.
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    Yeah, yesterday I was trying to figure out what the heck would be rideable. The best I could come up with was gravel roads. NOPE!!!!

    On 475B in the shady areas, there is still up to 6 inches of snow with a crust on top

    But it was a good workout for sure and my two dogs had a blast

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    How are things looking up there for a potential ride tomorrow for someone coming from Charlotte?

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    How are things looking up there for a potential ride tomorrow for someone coming from Charlotte?

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    From what I hear Bent Creek is still a muddy mess.
    Pisgah I imagine it depends on the trails.
    DuPont is pretty good on the Lake Imaging side but can't speak for the rest.

    Where are you wanting to ride?
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    I was out Wednesday and it was fine.

    A bit soupy where there was allot of rotting leaves and such on the trail and the water could not drain well, but not horrible at all.

    I just did a short route with my dogs, all I had time for

    Up black mountain from parking lot, thrift cove, grassy, upper sycamore, back to parking lot.

    It rained Friday night, so the trails have had some more water since I was out Wednesday

    I'm heading out in the morning anyway.

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    hoping to ride pisgah tomorrow. any updates?
    My one says BRAP!

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    Did plenty riding from clawhammer to S Mills and squirrel. For the most part it was great. A couple sloppy spots but few and far between. Enjoy the trails

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    thanks! squirrel is on the list!
    My one says BRAP!

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    From the Hatchery today. Cove Creek, Daniels Ridge, Long Branch and Butter...all good.
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    thanks for the update FTG. headed up early in the am for a nice sunny day on the bike in Pisgah

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    Dupont was darn near perfect today.

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    1st time for our group to hit squirrel gap as an out and back (parked at turkey pen lot, s mills to Mullinax to squirrel to turn around at horse cove). We had a great time. trail was in excellent shape. Weather was unreal for late feb. 70deg in short sleeves and shorts, can't beat that for wNC riding.

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    Yes, it was awesome out there yesterday.
    Saw lots of riders out and about

    Everything I rode was perfect.

    Horse stables, Clawhammer, down buckhorn, mills river to gauging station/476, pink beds connector, pink beds, back to horse stables via white pines road

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    This is good to see. I'm thinking about making a trip there the first week of April. It's cold and muddy here in KY, no trails will be ridable for quite a while.

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    It can change from sloppy to great here in just a few days.

    The snow had just melted and then it rained but three days later all was good again

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    I'm planning on heading to Bent Creek the first weekend of April (4-7). Please keep me updated on trail conditions for planning/packing.

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    So I'll be in Brevard Thursday night and Friday then heading over to Tsali Saturday - Monday morning. It's is supposed to be scattered rain everyday. I assume DuPont and Tsali are ok, but I probably shouldn't try to ride Pisgah? I'll be staying near the Walmart, so it looks there is a connector trail right up to the Black Mountain/Clawhammer area.

    Local advice welcome.

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    Heads up for the wknd

    South Mills River trail is in the worst shape it's been in years. The mud holes from Mullinax to the Cantrel Creek chimney are 8" deep, will suck yer wheel right in and the holes are so wide now you can not avoid them. Add to that someone is trimming the laurels and dropping the branches in the middle of the trail. Really sucky way to end a great ride on Squirrel. Suggest instead you out and back Squirrel or take Horse Cove to Funnel Top or go out Wolf Ford to Yellow Gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    South Mills River trail is in the worst shape it's been in years. The mud holes from Mullinax to the Cantrel Creek chimney are 8" deep, will suck yer wheel right in and the holes are so wide now you can not avoid them. Add to that someone is trimming the laurels and dropping the branches in the middle of the trail. Really sucky way to end a great ride on Squirrel. Suggest instead you out and back Squirrel or take Horse Cove to Funnel Top or go out Wolf Ford to Yellow Gap.
    That whole S. Mills stuff is getting toasted it seems. From the Fishermans Camp all the way down to TP. I guess it never gets time to recover and being so close to the river its perpetually wet.

    Thanks for the heads up Goose. Funnel Top to Horse is a good ride...just keep your eye out for rattlesnakes.

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    Vastly increased user #'s d/t the Mills River closure (still effectively closed to most non-mtb users) is the main issue with SMR right now.

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    How's Pisgah looking? I just arrived to visit wife's family. About 50 minute drive from Brevard.
    I brought my bike this time. Are the trails in good shape?

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    I believe all the trails have been taking the daily rains pretty well and this weekend's forecast is clear skies, woohoo.
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    Good to know as I will be in that area all week next week!

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    Yep, not bad in Pisgah right now.

    The new section of lower black has firmed up nicely since the re-working a few weeks ago

    Avery creek was nice this past weekend

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    We got slammed with rain in Spartanburg last night. How bad did it rain up there?
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    Not bad at all

    Less than 1 inch at my house here last night which backs up to Pisgah between Turkey Pen and the forest entrance where the Hub bike shop is.

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    Bracken is awesome right now. Never see it mentioned here much but what a sweet after work ride that is. Watch for sh!t-tons of acorns down tho, like marbles in the corners.
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    yeah, the acorns are thick on the ground right now. Like riding on marbles in some places

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    yeah, the acorns are thick on the ground right now.
    Indications say it's gonna be a tough winter. Thermal tights, ugh.
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    Got my Lake Winter riding boots ready to with a fresh coat of mink oil on the leather

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    Any updates if someone were to haul south for a couple days?

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    The trails are nice for the most part
    We have not had much rain at all.

    I go out 3 times a week and have not seen any really muddy sections

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    Well, it HAS been raining for the last 24 hours, so choose carefully!

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    Yeah, but it only shows 1/4 inch at my house in the last 24 hours
    My house backs up to Pisgah between forest entrance and turkey pen

    That's not too bad, but it's still raining, so have to see what the total is when it stops

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    Yeah, but it only shows 1/4 inch at my house in the last 24 hours
    My house backs up to Pisgah between forest entrance and turkey pen

    That's not too bad, but it's still raining, so have to see what the total is when it stops
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    No, not Emory , Doug

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    Pisgah Trail Conditions

    Ok, well hello Doug.

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    Howdy there

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    Great riding Sunday, but mostly because the tread was frozen solid. With several days of temps in the 40s and light precipitation, the District and DSRF will be well into the thaw side of the Freeze/Thaw cycle. Expect a slopfest until it's frozen again...

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    I was out Sunday as well in the Fish hatchery area

    It was hard packed nice because of the colder temps

    If it does get too sloppy I throw more gravel road/logging roads into the mix

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    Thanks guys. Just thinking about a quick sneak down south for the coming long weekend. Appreciate the info!

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    Check back closer to friday
    Things change overnight here

    Just post again here and I'll give you an upate

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    Headed over tomorrow from Tennessee - did y'all end up getting a lot of rain. Trying to make up my mind pisgah proper (big nasty loop) vs dupont (+/- resonover). Thanks

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    Rain is mostly gone. Supposed to be dry and sunny for a good long while. should be with fine either..

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    Nah, got .53 inches here at my house for the week in total.
    I did not get a chance to get out and ride on Wednesday, so I can't give a trails condition report

    I am going to try and get out this afternoon (Thursday the 15th)

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    Thanks guys, ended up riding claw, black, bennet, etc - was a little soft but not bad. I appreciate the help.

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    I went out this afternoon for a quickie. It was just soft in a few places, not bad at all

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    How is the trail around the end of March? Ride-able?

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    Pisgah Trail Conditions

    Depends on the weather.

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    Impossible to tell how March will be this far out
    Conditions change day to day

    In April 2001 we had 11 inches of snow and it was gone in 3 days
    It's the mountains and the weather is wacky sometimes

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    Due to freeze thaw conditions all roads in Greater Pisgah / Bent Creek are closed with the exception of the following. Catheys Creek, Davidson River and Avery Creek up to the stables and Bent creek road up to Ledford parking lot.
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    Is this coming from the Pisgah Ranger district?

    I was out riding yesterday afternoon and most of the trails were fine around the rangers station area.

    I have seen them way worse in past years than what I was seeing yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    Is this coming from the Pisgah Ranger district?

    I was out riding yesterday afternoon and most of the trails were fine around the rangers station area.

    I have seen them way worse in past years than what I was seeing yesterday
    Yes.
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    So gravel roads like 475, 475B, 477, Yellow gap and roads like clawhammer are included?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    So gravel roads like 475, 475B, 477, Yellow gap and roads like clawhammer are included?
    yes
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    Closed to just cars, or closed to bikes?

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    I ride the gravel roads when they are closed to cars

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    I assumed when roads are closed, that doesn't apply to bikes, but the last time I assumed something...

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    Just cars.

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    Thanks guys. Got some gravel rides planned this weekend!

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    It's way more pleasant when the roads are gated off

    No vehicles coming around the corner on the wrong side of the road

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    Any more info on how its looking this coming weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexk243 View Post
    Any more info on how its looking this coming weekend?
    Regardless of the wet/frozen precip we've had for weeks now, any time we have 3+ days of rain forecasted in the winter, when the trees aren't soaking it up, you can count an equal amount of time for the sun and wind to dry it out.
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    Last week end (03/07 and 0308) it was perfect conditions everywhere I rode in the fish hatchery area. Ran into a bunch of bikers and asked about the trails they had ridden, they said the same thing.

    It's hard to say about this coming weekend. As was noted above rain is forecast just about every day. Post something closer to Friday, I should know more by then.

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    Sounds good. Ill check back

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    No rain to speak of today.
    .01 inches at my house as of 5pm

    Did a quicky ride with my two dogs
    grassy, upper sycamore and north slope
    All trails in great condition

    A few gooey spots on the flat s of upper grassy, but they are always like that after wet periods

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