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    Pinks Beds status?

    Is Pink Beds rideable from 276 to 476? Never been on it and wanted to try it out this weekend.

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    I'm not sure what 476 is, but I rode Pink Beds trail from 276 to Buckhorn Gap to Clawhammer Rd last Sat and it was fine. Buckhorn Gap continues to be wet and sloppy for no apparent reason near the river, even though the rest of the trail was dry.

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    update anyone?

    Anyone ridden black mountain, butter gap, or farlow gap recently. If conditions arent too nasty, my buddies and I are tryin to go next weekend

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    Why would they be too nasty?

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    I've been told that around this time of year a lot of the trails become unridable due to downed trees and stuff from rain/snow. Is that correct?

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    Lies.

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    Haha well alright then, that's what I like to hear

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    Sometimes this time of the year can make for less than ideal riding due to freeze/thaw cycles as well as blow down from winter storms, not to mention snow and ice on the trails themselves. We've had a few winters recently where riding a bicycle in Pisgah was very challenging if not impossible.

    This year has not been like that. It has been very mild and the trails are fine*. Nothing much to speak of at all. Come ride and have fun!



    (* a lot of trails in the PRD are in dire need of maintenance so 'fine' is a relative term. What I mean is there is nothing out of the ordinary.)
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    Awesome, thanks for the tip, and yes we will come and ride!

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    Butter gap and Cat Gap are pretty sloppy, but they usually are. Nothing really out of the ordinary there. Daniel Ridge is good to go. The gravel roads around the hatchery are smooth and hardpacked right now which is really nice too.

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    I am heading to Asheville around the 28th through the 31st. How are the trails there now? Any must hit trail suggestions are also welcomed. Looking for a few 20-30 mile ride, climbing and moderate technical aren't an issue. I am from CO heading to the mid west for the holidays. I think, I'll need a side trip to get away from the family for a few days and have been reading about your area for years.
    Thanks for your reply's!

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    The trails right now are damp/wet. It is still too far out to say how they will be on the 28th. Unless the weather changes drastically (which it very well could) the trails should be fine for when you are here.

    Must hit trail suggestion: Laurel Mountain to Pilot Rock

    Search the forum for tons of trail suggestions and then stop at a local bike store when you get here, buy a map and some other stuff and get more recommendations from the shop employees.
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    I'll be in Pisgah this weekend. The forecast is rain on Friday night. Riding on Saturday is iffy, but we are riding somewhere on Sunday. Our preferred ride is Pink Beds/ S. Mills/ Squirrel ending at Turkey Pen. Is this a bad idea? If so, what would you recommend? Driving to DuPont is okay.
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    Bent Creek Trails Report 12/31/2012: Trails are in pretty bad shape. I would advise staying off at least the following: Hardtimes Connector, Deer Lake Lodge (Powerline in particular is a sloppy mess), Homestead/Small Creek, Lower Pine Tree.

    In other words... just about everywhere the most people go. :-(

    I did not ride all these, evaluated some based on trailhead conditions and prior experience. I am assuming that Wolf Branch and Ledford are just as bad. Higher up/further out the trails are in better shape but still marginal. Explorer Loop was pretty good except for the usual spots between Pine Tree Connector and Sleepy Gap.

    More rain is forecast New Year's Day/Night. Hopefully the warm, dry spell in the 10 day forecast will happen and dry things out a bit.
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    Yep, we have entered a more traditional winter weather pattern with plenty of moisture on the ground and the freeze/thaw cycle in full effect. I'd say the trails are in poor shape at this time. I cut my run short yesterday because it was so muddy and slippery.

    If you ride when the ground is still frozen it is all good but once it thaws it gets rather soft and muddy. Pick your time and trails carefully and it is all fairly good.

    Also, recent high winds have left isolated pockets of deadfall on the trails. Do your part and help clear the trails when you encounter debris
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    Here's a good wet weather route we did last weekend:

    Fish Hatchery>475B>Seinard Ridge (the double track, not the illegal singletrack to the parkway)>gravel road/double track up to the connector at the top of Daniel Ridge...like in SWANK> Daniel Ridge counterclockwise>double track that goes past the waterfall ?>Daniel ridge clockwise>475A>Davidson River>Hatchery.

    It was a pretty route w/ great views of John's Rock, LookingGlass, several waterfalls, and we didn't get into muddy/delicate trail areas except a little bit on Daniel ridge going clockwise between the double track and the creek. And that part is pretty much rutted to hell anyway. The rocky part of Daniel ridge was a river, but not muddy or damaged. It's interesting how the rocky trails protect themselves.

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    OTR/HB Conditions

    Anyone ridden the OTR/Heartbreak route yet this year. Thinking about making the trek tomorrow, just curious as to the conditions?
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    I went to bent creek today before work and the trails were sloppy. I don't know if this helps.

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    bd- that will be as fine as anything you can do. OTR= a road. Heartbreak= relatively well-built ST.
    Might be snow in the tops sections, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown View Post
    bd- that will be as fine as anything you can do. OTR= a road. Heartbreak= relatively well-built ST.
    Might be snow in the tops sections, though.
    Yeah I figured so....thought some locals usually rode that on the 1st every year when it opened, so thought I'd ask. Expecting a few downed trees and such.

    I'll post conditions after the ride tomorrow. Looking forward to my Pisgah fix tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd279 View Post
    Yeah I figured so....thought some locals usually rode that on the 1st every year when it opened, so thought I'd ask. Expecting a few downed trees and such.
    A few friends did ride OTR/Heartbreak on New Year's Day. I saw brief posts on Facebook that they survived and had a good time, but did not get details as to the trail conditions. I definitely would expect ice/snow up top, very wet/muddy down lower (especially switchbacks) and downed trees.

    In other words, sounds awesome! Have fun!
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    Cold day in the mountains, but clear blue skies and sunshine all day. Toll road as expected, except really icy in a few sections. HB is decent shape. more than the normal amount of trees down. Two on upper section. One nasty difficult tree to pass in the mid section, the rest is good but leafy.

    ps - I hate Rattlesnake trail.
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    Bent Creek-NO.. Spencer and Trace good to go today.

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    It was sloppy on my run last night. Today it is raining. It is a good time to pick your routes carefully.

    The good news is the highs are going to be in the high 60's this weekend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood View Post
    It was sloppy on my run last night. Today it is raining. It is a good time to pick your routes carefully.

    The good news is the highs are going to be in the high 60's this weekend!
    Where did you run that was still sloppy? Bent Creek/N. Mills had pretty much dried out everywhere except the most chronic spots. That will have changed today already so it's a bit of a moot point. Just curious.
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    I rode Greenslick on... Tuesday and it was pretty muddy. Figured it would be okay since it had been 4 days or so with no rain. I was wrong. Rode Trace Ridge last night and it was completely dry. Probably a little different now though...

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    Ahh.. I forgot about Greenslick. I rode it on Wednesday and it was still fairly muddy. Where I said "everywhere except the most chronic spots", unfortunately chronic includes pretty much all of GL.
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    So I am assuming it is all a mess today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    So I am assuming it is all a mess today?
    Thats affirmative. I just did a morning hike in Pisgah, pretty sploogie. I'd either give it a day to drain or hit the sandy trails at Dupont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Thats affirmative. I just did a morning hike in Pisgah, pretty sploogie. I'd either give it a day to drain or hit the sandy trails at Dupont.
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    Laurel and Pilot were not too bad this morning.
    They were wet of course, but for the most part they were not sloppy.

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    North Mills River

    Bear Branch: muddy in places on the lower section. Not too bad though.

    Spencer Gap: good.

    Trace: good.

    Spencer Branch: VERY sloppy from the Never Ending Road to Fletcher Creek intersection. I would recommend not riding that section.

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    And the rains came. There is a lot of moisture in the ground right now and with freezing temperatures on the way freeze/thaw will likely be an issue this coming weekend. Ride when it is still frozen and it is all good.
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    Anybody know if Laurel Mtn/Pilot Rock will be in decent enough shape to ride Sunday or is there a better option for a similar ride?
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    I would expect there to still be snow at the top of Laurel, especially on Pilot Rock Connector.
    That said, if I'm over this cold, that's the loop I'll probably try to do myself. Nothing else gets more sun, drains better, and has more rock.

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    I rode Bear Branch and Fletcher Creek today and even though it was sunny and warm the trails were wet with the freeze/thaw effect. Laurel > Pilot would have been a better choice.
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    Any other trail reports? I'm thinking about riding North Shore/Sycamore/Black-Thrift on Monday. I'll be solo so I'll probably avoid anything backcountry unless its a fire road ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbeach View Post
    Any other trail reports? I'm thinking about riding North Shore/Sycamore/Black-Thrift on Monday. I'll be solo so I'll probably avoid anything backcountry unless its a fire road ride.
    I rode most of that today. I started at 7:30am to catch it before it thawed out. It was good but I am going to attribute that to the ground being mostly frozen. Personally, I wouldn't want to ride it later in the day.
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    I rode Maxwell Cove to Black yesterday with a bit of an out an back to to the Turkey Pen intersection. Everything but the bottom section of Black and a few places on Maxwell Cove were completely dry. I would have never guessed that it had been raining for the last week straight.

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    East TN got a nasty ice storm today. how did it affect yall?

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    Hendersonville NC got ice too which isn't too far from Pisgah and it came from that direction. So Pisgah either got snow or ice.

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    I did a nice loop in the Cedar Rock area on foot yesterday and the trails were in surprisingly good shape. Not so much as even a puddle. I was so clean when I got back to the Hub that they questioned if I had even really been out in the woods.

    The gravel was actually in worse shape than the trails and had a lot of treacherous ice on it,
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    How's Kitsuma this weekend?

    No responses so I took a chance. Still pretty messy up there. The north face of the highway cut is still completely iced over. The southern face (switchbacks from the lot up) is pretty messy and the clay about half way up completely junks everything up. Had to hike a bike as the bikes were full of junk and it's tough to walk in some areas. On the down side it's still about 75% mud and 25% snow and ice. Add in a lot of leaves and it was pretty messy. Would recommend letting it dry out for a while. There were a bunch of cars in the lot so a fair amount of people were out but the trails didn't look bad compared to something like Pine Tree near Powhatan.
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    I rode Bear Pen and Staire Creek this morning. Both were on the wet side. There was still snow up on the top of Bear Pen. There was quite a bit of down branches on both trails and we did the best to clear things up. Staire Creek was it's usually self, I have never seen that trail be dry. Parts of it were solid ice and others were just very wet. There were an unusual number of hikers on Staire Creek today as well. As far as I can recall I have never seen anybody hiking that trail and I saw 10+ people out there today.

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    I ran the Big Nasty late yesterday and where the tread was frozen the trails were great but where they weren't it was rather soft with the freeze/thaw effect. It was snowing with about a half inch on the ground around the mountain tops but nothing down by the horse stables. There are also several pockets of heavy blow down that I didn't have time to clear (didn't make it down until after dark with no lights).

    Ride when it is still frozen and the trails are perfect
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    Plan on doing the Squirrel Gap / Turkey Pen (Advanced-Epic) ride tomorrow.
    Anyone know the conditions out there?

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    Anyone been on Kitsuma lately? I'll be up in AVL next weekend, planning on hitting up Bent Creek and Kitsuma while we're there...

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    how are the trails at pisgah? get snow? We were planning on driving down from Ohio, where the trails havent been rideable since December due to freeze/thaw conditions.

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    rode greenslick and trace ridge two weekends ago, they were fast, dry, and awesome. we hit the weather lotto and got 70+ and sunshine. Rode up in Boone too, much wetter and colder up there. Of course, with all the snow in the last week, these conditions have completely changed by now...

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    Visiting Asheville tomorrow and Friday for some riding. Anyone ridden Bent Creek the last couple days? How are the trails?

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    yes, also still looking for trail conditions. is there a hotline we can call?

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    It's really a mixed bag right now. Not the best answer, but hey, it's "spring" in the mountains.

    Observations: On Saturday, I did a Pilot Cove/Pilot Rock/Laurel Mountain Inner-Outer loop. Trails were pretty good then, except for up above 4000' where there had been some more recent snowmelt on the PR Connector and Laurel Mountain down to about Sassafras Gap.

    I then made the mistake of trying to ride N. Mills on Sunday. I knew it had rained on Sat. night but didn't realize just how much rain we got. My bad. Spencer Gap wasn't too bad going from 5000 to Trace but was a sloppy mess going down to NER on the other side. I hiked down most of it trying not to tear it up (or kill myself). After that I bailed on the trails idea and took NER back to the Trace parking lot. I stayed on gravel the rest of the day.

    Since Sunday we've had cold temps and snow flurries down in the lower elevations with no accumulation, but there is snow higher up.

    Did a run in Bent Creek Tuesday evening and the trails had actually dried out pretty well.

    All evidence to the contrary with cold temps and snow, we're moving into spring and the trees are getting thirsty.
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    Seeking condition updates on Bent Creek, Trace and Butter Gap.

    Trying to figure out where to ride today.

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    Any idea if it will be swamped out tomorrow in pisgah/bent creek? We've gotten a ton of rain down here in Greenville but was hoping maybe yall got off lighter up there. Happen to have the day off and wanted to make the trip up but not if it'll be hub deep puddles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus044 View Post
    Any idea if it will be swamped out tomorrow in pisgah/bent creek? We've gotten a ton of rain down here in Greenville but was hoping maybe yall got off lighter up there. Happen to have the day off and wanted to make the trip up but not if it'll be hub deep puddles.
    Been plenty of rain here too.

    Bent Creek I am sure will be muddy.
    Pisgah depends greatly on the trails. I can't suggest any but I am sure much will be muddy.

    DuPont not mentioned drains fast and much of it has good soil condition for wet riding.
    After all this rain, I would look at that but stay off Laurel, Mine, Reasonover, and maybe Airstrip. Cedar Rock and Big Rock are mostly granite so wet conditions have little effect.
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    Yeah corn mill parking lot was my fall back for a ride tomorrow. Enough sand and rock to get away with a wet ride. Thanks

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    Lake Imaging side seems to hold up well too.
    Hooker Creek will get standing water towards the Ridgeline side but it has a sandy bottom so it holds up well.

    I just don't know if I would ride across the the park since I imagine the stream crossing will be sketchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Been plenty of rain here too.

    Bent Creek I am sure will be muddy.
    Pisgah depends greatly on the trails. I can't suggest any but I am sure much will be muddy.
    Yeah, it's been raining for about 36 hours here in Bent Creek, sometimes lightening up but mostly pretty steady. A quick glance at radar will tell you all you need to know... no end in sight. This time of year, the trees and foliage will be soaking up a lot of rain in a short amount of time, but it will still be pretty wet for a while. I've been trying to convince myself to go out and do a trail/gravel run - but I just don't wanna.
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    The right thing to do is not ride anything Monday. The entire area had two straight days of steady to heavy rain.

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    NWS Statement as of 4:27 PM EDT on April 28, 2013

    "... Record daily maximum rainfall set at Asheville NC...

    A new record daily rainfall of 1.35 inches was set at the Asheville
    regional Airport today. This breaks the old record of 1.2 inches set
    in 1966."

    We got another half an inch after that notice went up. The total for the entire day was 1.85 inches.
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    The next 4 weeks looks like a lot of the same stuff according to accuweather.
    I know that can easily change but it will be a wet month. Get your riding in where you can.
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    any body been out to the trails less traveled? - Coleman Boundary or Alexander Park? Alexander was in poor shape last time I was out there but that was a couple of months ago. I wonder if the trees drinking have helped? I was thinking of making a couple of runs out at Coleman today but it's probably a creek bed. Needing to not travel south to ride MTB for a bit!
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    What, you need to stay near home for some reason?

    Just go to Coleman. Those descents are always either a wet creek bed or a dry creek bed. The only thing you're hurting is your bike.

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    I went to Alexander earlier this week and it was good other than kinda overgrown and a few muddy spots that don't get sun

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    Looking to ride next weekend. Any news on the trails after all those storms?? Blowdowns, etc. Thanks

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    Have things dried up at all?

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    To a degree, yes.

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    We are still getting rain. Although not as much, it would be hard to say what things will be like this week.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Headed up with a small group from Charlotte to ride Bent Creek tomorrow 7/13. We will probably stick to the standard route up to Greenslick, down back up to 5 points and down Lower Sidehill to Wolf Laurel.

    Any thoughts on conditions would be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB_Rob_FL View Post
    Headed up with a small group from Charlotte to ride Bent Creek tomorrow 7/13. We will probably stick to the standard route up to Greenslick, down back up to 5 points and down Lower Sidehill to Wolf Laurel.

    Any thoughts on conditions would be helpful.
    My initial thought is that it's a long ride from bent creek to wolf laurel. Other than that, you're good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    My initial thought is that it's a long ride from bent creek to wolf laurel. Other than that, you're good.
    Sorry I always forget the name of the trail, Wolf Branch maybe? Once you descend Lower Sidehill turn right onto the gravel road and it veers off to the left. It starts with a log ride and rock kicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB_Rob_FL View Post
    Sorry I always forget the name of the trail, Wolf Branch maybe? Once you descend Lower Sidehill turn right onto the gravel road and it veers off to the left. It starts with a log ride and rock kicker.
    That's wolf branch and the last part before you turn back to the right may or may not be snot. You'll be fine. Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    You'll be fine. Have fun.
    +1. I did a relatively short loop in BC on Friday afternoon. Yeah, there are some muddy spots, but for the most part the trails are pretty dry. Here's what we hit aside from gravel: Ingles Connector & Upper Ingles are good. Little Hickory/Sidehill a bit muddy in the flatter sections. Lower part of Lower Sidehill down to Boyd Branch Rd. was surprisingly good.

    And just FYI, the trail down from 5 points is Ingles Field. No biggie... as long as ya know yer route. :-)
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    Anyone out there this morning? Either BC or DuPont?

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    Coming in for the weekend - how are the trails? I'm hoping at least Dupont is rideable. Maybe BC?

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    Everything's good. Have fun.

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    I dont know if I would say that everything is good.

    Road North Mills River today. It was awful. I had to post-hole through the mud. My wheels were getting sucked down into it.

    Bent Creek on Thursday was a little sloppy. Ingles Field had thick clay mud in several places. Im sure the lower trails were in no better shape.

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    Your good to go! You may as well have fun, half of Asheville is, besides if you wait for a dry day you will never be able to ride.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Jnthomps08 View Post
    I dont know if I would say that everything is good.

    Road North Mills River today. It was awful. I had to post-hole through the mud. My wheels were getting sucked down into it.

    Bent Creek on Thursday was a little sloppy. Ingles Field had thick clay mud in several places. Im sure the lower trails were in no better shape.
    We bagged our ride in N MILLS due to weather. Rained like a mofo out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snototter View Post
    Your good to go! You may as well have fun, half of Asheville is, besides if you wait for a dry day you will never be able to ride.





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    Cool story bro. Nice rainy day pics too.

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    If you go out, you are going to hit some bad spots. So either decide to ride or hang your bike up for the next month or two.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Bent Creek should be closed to all trail users. I encountered the muddiest trails I've ever seen there, at least in full summer yesterday. It wasn't fun. Mills River has to be equally as bad.

    Anyone seen any decent trail conditions in Pisgah any where? I'd love to become reacquainted with my mountain bike properly but I'm thinking the trails need some TLC after this year.

    Side note: parkway is closed to cars, opened to bicycles past Bull Gap heading north towards Mitchell for those who hate riding on the road, this is a pretty rare opportunity. Might be a good idea to try something new this year!
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    The current info concerning the section of the parkway closed because of the water damage is that this weekend may be the last weekend for non-motorist use. Starting on Monday it will be closed to all users.

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    Making a trip to Asheville next week. Was hoping to bring the bike. Looking at Black Mountain and Sycamore Cove. How are things?

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    Right now things are ok.
    Next week could be a different story.

    Better play it safe and leave your bike home.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Hehe nice try you dirty local you! Thanks for the info

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    Rained the entire time I was there

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    I tried to tell you to leave your bike. You just didn't listen.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Pisgah over Brevard way had around 25 inches of rain in July and August 2013 combined
    There was some serious erosion in some places.

    October has been great so far
    Nice cool temps, plenty of Sunshine
    I don't think there is gonna be much of a leaf show this year but the riding is great and the trails are in good condition

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    AVOID BENT CREEK FOR AT LEAST 2 hours

    There is a huge wagon train going through bent creek right now. We sat for an hour and didnt move. Rice Pinnacle is completely full. They have some police escorts and are apparently going over the ridge into N. Mills. I'm riding tomorrow. If you or friends are heading there I would change plans.

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    I have gotten stuck behind those guys before at N. Mills. Who the heck are they?

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    This is an annual wagon/tractor train that has been occurring in early October for years. It is quite a sight for someone that is not expecting it!

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    Yellow Jackets on Sycamore about 200yrs up from Starnes Branch. I was hiking with my dog, he got popped a couple times while they swarmed us but never got me. We ran like hell so I never saw the hives location.

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    I will be hiking Sycamore with my dogs this week

    Not exactly sure where you are describing?
    Is this the stream on lower sycamore with the dual log bridge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    I will be hiking Sycamore with my dogs this week

    Not exactly sure where you are describing?
    Is this the stream on lower sycamore with the dual log bridge?
    Yes but down near the bottom of that side of Sycamore where it intersects with Starnes Branch or whatever they renamed Mtn to Sea there recently.

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    Ah, ok, near the junction of Sycamore and Mtn to sea, the short connector that goes back up to Grassy road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34 View Post
    Ah, ok, near the junction of Sycamore and Mtn to sea, the short connector that goes back up to Grassy road?
    Correct, about 200yrds up Syc from that junction.

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