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    The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    Jun 15th.

    Mark your calendars.

    Put on by Pisgah Productions... I think they know how to throw a party.

    Pisgah Enduro | Old Fort, North Carolina 28762 | Saturday, June 22, 2013

    Keep in mind that the date is JUNE 15th, NOT JUNE 22nd. The Active link will be updated soon.
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    Oooooowwwww!

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    Registered! stoked!

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    That's right, Everybody!

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    Sorry but TRBL trail selection those are some lame dhs for our area

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    Hey SDC,

    It's an ENDURO race.

    Not a downhill race.

    You are TRBL.
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    Let's call this the 'sequester' course. 2014 will include one favorite in particular that we couldn't use this year because of permit issues.... permit pending

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    But the racing is done on dhs no? I guess I had extra high hopes for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercusty View Post
    But the racing is done on dhs no? I guess I had extra high hopes for this.
    I know you have some concept of what an enduro race is, SDC. Mostly DH, most definitely not DH bike specific, most definitely an all day ride with some climbing between stages, and not pure DH courses.

    Keep in mind, this is the first PERMITTED enduro race in Pisgah ever. Is there a chance it will get bigger/better after the USFS sees that it can be done?
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    Then I am still very excited

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    Where is Rattlesnake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Where is Rattlesnake?
    I don't have a trace of the trail but it's on Ridgecrest's property (trail map here).

    General location of the trail is here.

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    Thought I was posting an old link to a friend who is leaving the flow trails soon and you slackers popped up. Thank you. This was a great mistake.
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    The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    Any idea on total milage? Length of climbs and downs? What about a course description?

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    I'll go ahead and plead ignorance here. I have heard of enduro races and have a general understanding of the format, but am a little sketchy on the specifics. Does everyone start together and ride to the first timed section and then they do like an individual time trial on that section?

    This sounds like good fun.
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    Stoke level = high.

    I'm also interested in the format exactly. No racing on the uphills I'm assuming, so basically, it's a slow ride from the start up the first hill and then race downhill, right? Are there any benefits to climbing well, or is 100% of the focus exactly on the downhill?

    Guess I should put that Lyrik fork on the Remedy for this one.

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    Here is the format:
    There will be a neutral roll-out from Old Fort under police escort to Old 70.
    Once on Old 70 you will be following course tape.
    We'll go to Ridgecrest first. The climb to the Helipad from the bottom of Old 70 is like, 100 miles. Just kidding, except, it will NOT be easy or big bike friendly.
    Rattlesnake to the ballfields is first up.
    If you get to the downhill section first, you get to descend first. Racers will descend in 1 min. intervals.
    If you don't want to wait in line, get in line first.
    Then we'll go to Kitsuma. Same as before. FIFO.
    Please remember there is a relatively significant climb on Kitsuma (during the timed section), again, not big bike friendly.
    Then we'll ride allllllllllll the way to the bottom of Heartbreak, climb up the switchbacks, then the third timed section will be Star Gap to Jarred Creek.

    Course map/milage/elevations will be available very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    I'll go ahead and plead ignorance here. I have heard of enduro races and have a general understanding of the format, but am a little sketchy on the specifics. Does everyone start together and ride to the first timed section and then they do like an individual time trial on that section?

    This sounds like good fun.
    I'm not sure I understand what "enduro" racing is. Just read an article in Dirt Rag and they said it's the same riding I'm already doing with my friends.??? I thought that was XC, lol. For some it would be ride at max speed for about a mile and take a 5 minute break. What kind of bike set-up are we talking about? What is a "big bike?" Man, I'm lost.
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    Enduro.
    Timed downhill sections. Untimed, social pace, everything else. So, it's a lot like a ride with your buddies in that you can talk about the weather or whatever in between downhills. You don't have to kill it the entire time on course. If you've ever been on a ride with me or my friends this is exactly the format we follow. Climbing is what needs to happen so we can go downhill as fast as humanly possible. The only difference with an Enduro is there will be timing systems, stocked rest areas, and EMS personnel on course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Here is the format:
    There will be a neutral roll-out from Old Fort under police escort to Old 70.
    Once on Old 70 you will be following course tape.
    We'll go to Ridgecrest first. The climb to the Helipad from the bottom of Old 70 is like, 100 miles. Just kidding, except, it will NOT be easy or big bike friendly.
    Rattlesnake to the ballfields is first up.
    If you get to the downhill section first, you get to descend first. Racers will descend in 1 min. intervals.
    If you don't want to wait in line, get in line first.
    Then we'll go to Kitsuma. Same as before. FIFO.
    Please remember there is a relatively significant climb on Kitsuma (during the timed section), again, not big bike friendly.
    Then we'll ride allllllllllll the way to the bottom of Heartbreak, climb up the switchbacks, then the third timed section will be Star Gap to Jarred Creek.

    Course map/milage/elevations will be available very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Enduro.
    and EMS personnel on course.
    Can they assist me if my wife goes into labor while I am out on the course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by extrmtao View Post
    Daaaaaaaaannggg Dawg, This ain't your Momma's Enduro. This is MANDURO.
    Well, it will be a Pisgah Productions event, that's for certain....
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    Any way to link these downhills with a truck between??

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    Quote Originally Posted by r_evans View Post
    Any way to link these downhills with a truck between??
    During the event? No way. For practice beforehand? Kinda.
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    Thanks.

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    This actually sounds awesome. Of course I'm in a wedding that weekend. Maybe next time around.
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    Congratulations on putting this on! Been waiting for an enduro in Pisgah for a couple of years. Stoked about it and will be there!

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    Hey Everybody!
    Things just keep getting better and better for the 2013 Pisgah Enduro.

    Who likes to climb 10 miles of paved/gravel roads on a mountain bike during the hottest month of the year? Nobody... when there's a SHUTTLE available. We're putting everyone on buses.

    Who wants to stop before the end of the downhill when you could continue rocketing down the hill? Nobody... period. The end of stage 1 will now end at the pavilion rather than the benches above the ballfields.

    Even more good stuff to be announced soon.
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    Sounds GREAT! Headed up to preride it this weekend. When do you think the course maps and details will be available? Looking forward to it.

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    How many spaces available and how many have been filled?

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    The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    There will be a shuttle for all 3 stages?? We ride down and then shuttle to the next location? Is this correct? The description on the reg page sounds like there is only a shuttle to the first stage.

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    Good luck driving a truck to the top of Star Gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Mueller- View Post
    How many spaces available and how many have been filled?
    120 spots available. 58 filled as of 4/3
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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    There will be a shuttle for all 3 stages?? We ride down and then shuttle to the next location? Is this correct? The description on the reg page sounds like there is only a shuttle to the first stage.
    NOT correct.

    We will shuttle you (and your bike!) from Old Fort to Ridgecrest.
    You will ride up the paved road of death/adventure trail.
    Stage 1 Rattlesnake.
    You will ride from Ridgecrest to Kitsuma.
    Stage 2 Kitsuma from the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area
    You will ride from the picnic area to the bottom of Heartbreaker.
    Stage 3 Star Gap trail from Heartbreak to Jerrod Creek.
    You will ride the 10 miles back to the start/finish/party.
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    NOT correct.

    We will shuttle you (and your bike!) from Old Fort to Ridgecrest.
    You will ride up the paved road of death/adventure trail.
    Stage 1 Rattlesnake.
    You will ride from Ridgecrest to Kitsuma.
    Stage 2 Kitsuma from the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area
    You will ride from the picnic area to the bottom of Heartbreaker.
    Stage 3 Star Gap trail from Heartbreak to Jerrod Creek.
    You will ride the 10 miles back to the start/finish/party.
    Got it, thanks for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    120 spots available. 58 filled as of 4/3

    Make it 59! Registered. One of the few events i'm planning on attending this year so thanks a ton for making it happen.

    Guess I need to go ride the trails soon.

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    hey guys! my wife and i want to enter the race, but i've only ever done kitsuma. how does one access the other two? a little beta would be huge. sounds like rattlesnake is in ridgecrest? do you climb up the trail then turn around? how does one find the 3rd section? do you pedal out of the campground at the bottom of kitsuma? any and all help is a huge help as i'd like to ride these trails before the race. thx guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosercom View Post
    hey guys! my wife and i want to enter the race, but i've only ever done kitsuma. how does one access the other two? a little beta would be huge. sounds like rattlesnake is in ridgecrest? do you climb up the trail then turn around? how does one find the 3rd section? do you pedal out of the campground at the bottom of kitsuma? any and all help is a huge help as i'd like to ride these trails before the race. thx guys
    I'm definitely interest on how to get to Star Gap and Rattlesnake as well. Has anyone made a map with the race route on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarb View Post
    I'm definitely interest on how to get to Star Gap and Rattlesnake as well. Has anyone made a map with the race route on it?
    We are still working on the maps. Sorry. The best way to preride the course is to set up a shuttle. Drop one car in downtown Old Fort. Drop the other (and start the ride) at the Kitsuma parking lot.

    Ride over to Ridgecrest. Stop by the guardshack. Tell them you're going to the Adventure trail. Ridgecrest is private property and this makes them happy.

    Climb the pavement to the new pavilion. Follow the STEEP road to the right of the big green building. At the top of the hill you will find the Adventure trail to the Left. Follow the Adventure trail until it intersects with Rattlesnake. Turn Left onto Rattlesnake and follow it all the way back down to the ballfields/new pavilion. The descent will be the first timed section.

    Descend back out of Ridgecrest. Head back to the Kitsuma parking lot. Climb/Descend Kitsuma to the Old Fort picnic area. From the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area will be the second timed section

    Next follow Mill Creek Road (paved) to just past the church (5 miles?) then turn Right on the (unmarked) trail to the railroad tracks. Cross the tracks then follow Heartbreak Ridge trail. Climb to past the switchbacks where Star Gap trail intersects Heartbreak Ridge trail (unmarked turn).

    Descend Star Gap. Turn Left on Jarred Creek Road. Descend to the bridge. This will be the third timed section.

    Climb Jarred Creek Road to a big reddish cliff with a huge view to the Left. The descent from that point to Curtis Creek Road will be the fourth timed section.

    Turn Right on Curtis Creek. Turn Right on Rt70. A few miles later you will be back in Old Fort.

    26.5 miles. 3840' climbing. 5270' descending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hosercom View Post
    hey guys! my wife and i want to enter the race, but i've only ever done kitsuma. how does one access the other two? a little beta would be huge. sounds like rattlesnake is in ridgecrest? do you climb up the trail then turn around? how does one find the 3rd section? do you pedal out of the campground at the bottom of kitsuma? any and all help is a huge help as i'd like to ride these trails before the race. thx guys
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    Here is a route that includes kitsuma and Star Gap. This will basically be the enduro route except rattlesnake was not a part of my ride.

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    Thanks a lot, Pisgahproductions for writing up the route description

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    We are still working on the maps. Sorry. The best way to preride the course is to set up a shuttle. Drop one car in downtown Old Fort. Drop the other (and start the ride) at the Kitsuma parking lot.

    Ride over to Ridgecrest. Stop by the guardshack. Tell them you're going to the Adventure trail. Ridgecrest is private property and this makes them happy.

    Climb the pavement to the new pavilion. Follow the STEEP road to the right of the big green building. At the top of the hill you will find the Adventure trail to the Left. Follow the Adventure trail until it intersects with Rattlesnake. Turn Left onto Rattlesnake and follow it all the way back down to the ballfields/new pavilion. The descent will be the first timed section.

    Descend back out of Ridgecrest. Head back to the Kitsuma parking lot. Climb/Descend Kitsuma to the Old Fort picnic area. From the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area will be the second timed section

    Next follow Mill Creek Road (paved) to just past the church (5 miles?) then turn Right on the (unmarked) trail to the railroad tracks. Cross the tracks then follow Heartbreak Ridge trail. Climb to past the switchbacks where Star Gap trail intersects Heartbreak Ridge trail (unmarked turn).

    Descend Star Gap. Turn Left on Jarred Creek Road. Descend to the bridge. This will be the third timed section.

    Climb Jarred Creek Road to a big reddish cliff with a huge view to the Left. The descent from that point to Curtis Creek Road will be the fourth timed section.

    Turn Right on Curtis Creek. Turn Right on Rt70. A few miles later you will be back in Old Fort.

    26.5 miles. 3840' climbing. 5270' descending.

    Sounds like a blast! Deffenitly going to need a map for us non locals to preride.

    4 stages now? Was it originally 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    26.5 miles. 3840' climbing. 5270' descending.

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    so 3 sections or 4? is there a good way to determine the turn for star gap off heartbreak? like how many miles past switchbacks? any defining features? thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosercom View Post
    so 3 sections or 4? is there a good way to determine the turn for star gap off heartbreak? like how many miles past switchbacks? any defining features? thx
    There will be 4 sections total.
    The turn for Star Gap is pretty easy to spot. Climb the switchbacks. Climb a few straight aways. You shouldn't miss it, on the right.
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    I have another question. What are the differences between the Expert, Sport, and Beginner categories? If I have done extensive riding around Pisgah, but have never raced enduro before, what level would you suggest entering in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarb View Post
    I have another question. What are the differences between the Expert, Sport, and Beginner categories? If I have done extensive riding around Pisgah, but have never raced enduro before, what level would you suggest entering in?
    Do you care what place you finish in or just doing it for fun/the experience?

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    Does anyone have a total GPS data or a map yet?

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