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    "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...45645796,d.dmg

    Good/Bad....you decide.

    (the article is from a Whiteville paper, but will affect ALL of NC)
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    Pointless

    I live outside of city limits where people can fire guns all they want.....and they do.
    The noise is not an issue.

    Never once found being in the forest with hunters to be overly noisy either and to be quite honest, I kind of like knowing their proximity to me.

    I am against current proposed gun legislation/bans but why our idiotic gubberment would even entertain trying to ease up on restrictions like this is beyond me.

    I mean seriously, "lets ban a certain type of gun stock but allow silencers".
    What utter idiocy.

    BTW, I don't hunt nor do I fire a gun outside my house ever.
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    I support the proposed legislation.

    Why suppressors are regulated as a Class 3 weapon is beyond me. They do not change the functionality of the firearm, nor do the "silence" the weapon like you hear in the movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    I support the proposed legislation.

    Why suppressors are regulated as a Class 3 weapon is beyond me. They do not change the functionality of the firearm, nor do the "silence" the weapon like you hear in the movies.
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    In addition to the fact that "silencers" do NOT silence the sound of a shot fired like the movies lead you to believe, I don't think hunters are going to be flocking to hunt in areas where we ride a lot so it's a moot point.

    I recently had to go help an acquaintance reign in his expectations of what his suppressor should sound like. Even a .22, which is relatively quiet to begin with, is tricky to make "movie quiet", and it's simply not going to happen with a pistol. In addition .22 is not legal to use for hunting in most cases so even a suppressed hunting rifle will be loud, the sound will just be muffled/different.

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    I grew up in a rural town in New England. Hunting was a norm. So was snowmobile racing and ice racing (cars on a frozen pond). Over the years more and more people moved into the town from the Boston area. They started complaining and the racing was stopped. Decades of doing it gone. The same crowd complains about the rifle shots during hunting season. The only public (on state land) rifle range was shut. Things like this just piss me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    I support the proposed legislation.

    Why suppressors are regulated as a Class 3 weapon is beyond me. They do not change the functionality of the firearm, nor do the "silence" the weapon like you hear in the movies.
    Granted this is a home built silencer but allowing silencers will allow this.



    People really need to research things when it comes to passing any gun legislation.

    There is no reason to allow silencers for hunting.
    I ride right past hunters while biking and a riffle in the forest is not that loud.
    My next door neighbor who is about 100 yards away target practices regularly and it is not that loud either.

    There just is no need for it and it is pure silliness.
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    And here is a pistol silenced......yeah, not real quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Granted this is a home built silencer but allowing silencers will allow this.



    People really need to research things when it comes to passing any gun legislation.

    There is no reason to allow silencers for hunting.
    I ride right past hunters while biking and a riffle in the forest is not that loud.
    My next door neighbor who is about 100 yards away target practices regularly and it is not that loud either.

    There just is no need for it and it is pure silliness.
    I would hazard a guess and say that you don't have a lot of trigger time.

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    I have had plenty of "trigger time" but I don't know how you could make an assumption from my opinion of how loud a riffle shot is through all the trees that separate me and my neighbor. Making a statement like that from what I wrote is lunacy. Of course, I expect that since you already made the statement suggesting that silencers can not be that quiet.


    Now if you meant I don't hunt, you are correct.
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    Find me a video of a hunting caliber with a suppressor being as quiet as a .22 with suppressor.

    I'll wait.

    And my point on "it's not that loud" and you not having a lot of trigger time has nothing to do with how loud YOU think a rifle shot at your neighbor's house is.

    It has everything to do with how loud the SHOOTER thinks the shot is, and what THEY want to do to mitigate the sound.

    Some folks wear plugs and muffs, some like to use suppressors.

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    And BTW -

    You don't need a suppressor to make a .22 quieter than a BB gun. CB Caps do that all on their own.

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    If your trigger time comment had nothing to do with my not that loud comment then why did you bold face my not that loud comment?


    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    Find me a video of a hunting caliber with a suppressor being as quiet as a .22 with suppressor.

    I'll wait.
    Is a 308 a large enough caliber?




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    Not bad, but still louder than a .22 with suppressor.

    So, tell me again why this would be a bad thing to be allowed to hunt with?

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    LOL, did you actually listen to it?
    Not bad? lol
    The sound of the bolt was louder than the sound of the shot.

    You would not hear hear that being fired if in your back yard if you were standing in the front.

    I never said it would be a bad thing to be allowed to hunt with these.
    I just said it was pointless. The sounds of shots are not that bothersome and personally I like to know when weapons are being discharged around me and their proximity along with their general direction.

    Now, tell me why it would be a good thing to hunt with?
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    This should be legal without all the paperwork but not be forced on everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    LOL, did you actually listen to it?
    Not bad? lol
    The sound of the bolt was louder than the sound of the shot.

    You would not hear hear that being fired if in your back yard if you were standing in the front.

    I never said it would be a bad thing to be allowed to hunt with these.
    I just said it was pointless. The sounds of shots are not that bothersome and personally I like to know when weapons are being discharged around me and their proximity along with their general direction.

    Now, tell me why it would be a good thing to hunt with?
    As I mentioned, and as you so aptly demonstrated with the post of the suppressed rifle - to protect the hearing of the shooter.

    And you wonder why I think you don't have a lot of trigger time?

    Or maybe the issue is you have too much, and I need to talk louder so you can actually hear me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    As I mentioned, and as you so aptly demonstrated with the post of the suppressed rifle - to protect the hearing of the shooter.

    And you wonder why I think you don't have a lot of trigger time?

    Or maybe the issue is you have too much, and I need to talk louder so you can actually hear me?
    Why would I care about protecting the hearing of the shooter more that my own personal safety? If the shooter is concerned with his/her hearing they can wear noise suppressing ear protection. It is what I do.

    I am beginning to wonder if you have ever fired a gun.

    As far as you talking louder, I don't know if you realize this but you are on the internet. You can talk as loud as you want and nobody here will hear you. Also, if you read the article, the proposed legislation has nothing to do with protecting the shooters ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Why would I care about protecting the hearing of the shooter more that my own personal safety? If the shooter is concerned with his/her hearing they can wear noise suppressing ear protection. It is what I do.

    I am beginning to wonder if you have ever fired a gun.

    As far as you talking louder, I don't know if you realize this but you are on the internet. You can talk as loud as you want and nobody here will hear you. Also, if you read the article, the proposed legislation has nothing to do with protecting the shooters ears.
    I think I have determined one of the causes of our disagreement. You see this issue as about YOU and YOUR ears. I ma concerned with offering the HUNTERS the CHOICE of how they protect their ears.

    As for me "never firing a gun before", I will put it this way. My screen name is a tribute to my first unit - the A Co Jaguars 5/87 INF. I think I have fired quite a few weapons.

    And I propose you read more than the first 2 paragraphs.

    "Suppression devices would also help with one of the most common problems suffered by hunters—hearing loss. Conventional hearing protectors make it difficult to hear approaching game or other members of a hunting party, and even ear plugs can be an annoyance for hunters. Hearing damage from gunfire can be measured even in young hunters."

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    No, it isn't about me and my ears. Hunters already have a choice.

    "ear plugs can be an annoyance"

    LOL, forgive me for not giving a sh!t if a hunter who chooses to hunt is annoyed by their earplugs.

    I find it annoying not knowing where the guys near by with fire arms are firing their weapons.

    If ear plugs are too annoying and you are worried about hearing loss, than get bow.

    And before you make an assumption that I am against hunting, don't. I am all for hunting and well aware of the benefits to it. I will also be happy to eat any of the spoils. I just don't do it because I think it would be boring.
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    Seeing as how you are on an mtb forum, let me see if I can equate this to something you may be able to relate to.

    Should you have the choice of brakes on your mtb? Or should your neighbor, who rides a Wal-Mart bike around the neighborhood once a year dictate to you that you can't use disc brakes, you can only use canti's? After all, he doesn't care that discs are safer for YOU, he is concerned over his idea of what you should use.

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    That is a stupid analogy as the brakes that I use affect nobody.

    Actually correction, if I have safer brakes it could mean I don't crash in to you.

    Would you like to try again and come up with something that actually makes sense?
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    The entire point is why do YOU get to dictate what somebody else uses? It's their ears, it should be their choice how they protect them.

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    Hunters have options for ear safety.
    So forgive me for not caring about their "ear safety comfort" over my "life safety" while on the trails.

    And FYI the government does get to dictate things in the best interest of the people.
    For instance...
    I feel I can drive down many interstates at triple digit speeds.
    Why should anyone be able to dictate that I can not travel at the rate I want to travel at?

    Or should we just have a lawless country because somebody out there may not like the way the law limits their "rights"?
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    To add, if hunters had no other options or if people on the trails that had nothing to do with hunting were suffering hearing damage then I would support this.

    However, this proposal is not based on the safety of anyone in any way. It is based on the fact that a few people who don't hunt hear shots fired and it interrupts their perfect little silent world.
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    Now we're starting to get somewhere!!!

    Personally, there is NO WAY I would be riding on hunting land during hunting season. That's just stupid for many, many reasons. So where WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY down that list would be if I could hear the report of a shot or not.

    RE: speeding, driving on a public road is a privilege, not a right. So, yes, the gov can regulate what happens on them. Guess what, though? You can drive as fast as you want to on private land! You don't even have to have a driver's license to do it! Nor do you have to have license plates nor registration on the vehicle!!!

    Please, keep going. This is fun.

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    You are right, now we are getting somewhere.

    Where I live in Western NC (Asheville area) hunting is allowed on most of the trails.

    So should mountain bikers, hikers and equestrians give up the trails that they most likely helped to build just so hunters can bag a deer?

    Sorry, but there really isn't a mountain bike park in my area. The "mountain bike park" is national forest where hunting is often allowed.

    Even if there options for hunting free zones near by, why should I limit myself to the trails I ride so a hunter doesn't have to be inconvenienced with ear plugs?

    And what hunters want to shoot with on private land is their business as far as I am concerned. I am riding on public land.

    You are right it is fun watching you continually shoot yourself in the foot. (pardon the pun)
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    The noise of a gun is like a safety thing for me . Just like an electric car is dangerous for pedestrians because they can't hear it coming, hearing a "report" from a shot is enough to know I should find a different trail to ride that day. I have stood on the dirt rd at Ginger cake & heard 25 or 30 rounds & new I was in the wrong area that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    You are right, now we are getting somewhere.

    Where I live in Western NC (Asheville area) hunting is allowed on most of the trails.

    So should mountain bikers, hikers and equestrians give up the trails that they most likely helped to build just so hunters can bag a deer?

    Sorry, but there really isn't a mountain bike park in my area. The "mountain bike park" is national forest where hunting is often allowed.

    Even if there options for hunting free zones near by, why should I limit myself to the trails I ride so a hunter doesn't have to be inconvenienced with ear plugs?

    And what hunters want to shoot with on private land is their business as far as I am concerned. I am riding on public land.

    You are right it is fun watching you continually shoot yourself in the foot. (pardon the pun)
    So, you have more "right" to the public lands than a hunter?

    Interesting.

    I wonder - how many fees do you pay to have a place to ride your mountain bike? Are there imbedded taxes in every piece of cycling gear you buy to fund the trails? Do you have to go take a special class to get a license to ride on those trails? Do you have to buy a yearly license to continue to ride? Do you have to buy a different stamp for that license for each trail you want to ride on?

    And I still can't get over how you get to dictate to the hunter what gear he uses to hunt with, and what safety gear he can/cannot use.

    Sounds very...big bother-ish to me.

    So, do you also ride a road bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    So, you have more "right" to the public lands than a hunter?

    Interesting.
    Where on earth did I even say that or hint to that?

    Did I say "hunters should not be allowed to hunt public land because I bike there"?

    No, I did not.

    I fully acknowledged their right to be there.
    However, I have the right to know where shots are being fired.

    You are expecting me to ignore my rights of physical safety in order so a hunter does not have to wear earplugs for his hearing safety. Now that is ridiculous.

    I am willing to share the trails safely for everyone's use.

    Also, this proposal IS dictating what safety gear a hunter must use.
    It proposes a MANDATORY use of silencers.

    You keep shooting holes in your own argument.

    BTW, your assumptions on what I donate as far as time and money are ignorant. I won't get in to it, but I guarantee it is more than the cost of a hunting license. After that there are no "imbedded taxes" in every piece of hunting gear either.
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    LOL

    Please, go find me the portion of the article in the OP that says use of a suppressor is MANDATORY under this proposed law.

    I did not ask what you donate, I asked very specific question with regards to what you HAVE to pay to go mtb on those trails.

    And you may want to brush up on the imbedded taxes in firearms and ammo that go to fund those exact same national forests you love to ride in.

    But of course, you already know that because you go shooting all the time.

    Suffice it to say, I support the lifting of this ridiculous ban, just as I support the lifting of almost every firearms law.

    YMM(and I am sure will)V

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    Hunting license in the state is not expensive.
    Any imbedded costs in the taxes of ammo is equal to the recreational shooter as it is to the hunter.

    Lifting of every fire arm law?
    Now that is a hoot.
    So people should be able walk around wit Uzi's and Bazookas. Riiiiiiiiiight

    I see no point in continue this as it is quite obvious that you have no common sense.
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    BTW, please do not infringe on my right to hunt with land mines. lol
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    You do know you have people walking around you armed every day, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    BTW, please do not infringe on my right to hunt with land mines. lol
    Do you know that I can legally own a land mine right now?

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    But you can't legally go plant it on public land.
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    Maybe not, but that's not my point.

    You seem to have issues with inanimate objects. Why?

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    I have a problem with not knowing where shots are being fired around me.

    If a hunter has or has access to private land then I am ok with them firing a silenced weapon all they want. If a hunter chooses to hunt public land where other people have a right to be also, I am not ok with them using silencers as I believe that infringes on the right of other people to know where shots are being fired. It also lowers the awareness of the use of the land by hunters to non-hunters which proposes safety issues.

    Either way, I stand by my original statement that was proposing to allow this while trying to ban things like certain types of stocks is ass backwards.
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    So, how many folks would use the type of specialty ammo that the gentleman in your video used?

    Or do you think they would use their regular super sonic hunting rounds?

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    Re: "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    No object that breaks the speed of sound can be silenced and that is why they are called suppressors not silencers. Silencer is a Hollywood and politician created term. Suppressors drop the sound pressure by a certain db level which is far from silent. Carry on with this strange argument just wanted to put the facts in place.

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    I am more curious on knowing why we should drop all gun legislation.
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    Get ready to laugh at me.

    See, there's this thing called the Second Amendment. I believe it means what it say is means, and the federal government has no authority to regulate firearms.

    I know, crazy, right?

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    Since you are uber concerned over noise - or the lack thereof - from hunters, am I safe to assume that you stay out of the woods during bow season?

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    I do not laugh, but I do think you are misguided. I do believe in the 2nd amendment but I also do not believe that it is a free for all either. If it was, we would be allowed to own personal nukes too. I believe that second amendment is there to give us reasonable means to protect ourselves from both people who would harm us and our own government. I do not nor does anyone need a suppressor to do this.

    Someplace between protecting ourselves with butter knives and nuclear weapons lies the answer in what the 2nd amendment should allow.

    I have less concern with bow hunting for multiple reasons.
    1) there just are not as many bow hunters.
    2) You can not rapidly fire a bow
    3) Bows do not accidentally go off
    4) Bow hunters (although not always the case) are generally more skilled hunters. Rarely do first time hunters chose a bow as there weapon.

    That is just to just to name a few
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I do not laugh, but I do think you are misguided. I do believe in the 2nd amendment but I also do not believe that it is a free for all either. If it was, we would be allowed to own personal nukes too. I believe that second amendment is there to give us reasonable means to protect ourselves from both people who would harm us and our own government. I do not nor does anyone need a suppressor to do this.

    Someplace between protecting ourselves with butter knives and nuclear weapons lies the answer in what the 2nd amendment should allow.

    I have less concern with bow hunting for multiple reasons.
    1) there just are not as many bow hunters.
    2) You can not rapidly fire a bow
    3) Bows do not accidentally go off
    4) Bow hunters (although not always the case) are generally more skilled hunters. Rarely do first time hunters chose a bow as there weapon.

    That is just to just to name a few
    So, what do I need to protect myself? What limitations do you feel there should be?

    1. Immaterial to the discussion about noise levels.
    2. All it takes is one shot.
    3. You have never used a mechanical release, I see.
    4. Agree with the first sentence. Withhold judgement with the second since I have no information either way.

    It boils down to the noise level generated, since we are discussion suppressors in use for hunting. Both are quiet, both are capable of killing you. Yet, you are comfortable with one, and not the other.

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    I am familiar with mechanical release but no I am not an archer.
    Still with mechanical release and a compound draw, it still takes the action of a draw and release. I guarantee I can unload a clip before any archer can fire a second arrow.
    Also, archers do not walk around with a bow ready to fire.

    Yes, both bullets and arrows can kill but like I said there are a lot less bow hunters and they generally take more time with a shot because they rarely get a 2nd one. So there is less worry in needing to know where they are.

    Not to mention the fact that a 308 round or 30-06 which are probably two of the most common calibers of hunting rifles is much more powerful than arrow.

    If I saw a reasonable explanation for suppressors while hunting than I would entertain the necessity. However, noise pollution IMO is not great enough of a concern and there are other reasonable options for hearing protection.
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    What make is your Garand?

    You seem to be operating under a couple of inaccurate assumptions.

    1. Most hunter - regardless of weapon - take their time with a shot because they rarely get a second.

    2. You keep coming back to you getting to decide what the needs are of another. Let me ask you a question - do you ride a geared bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post

    2. You keep coming back to you getting to decide what the needs are of another. Let me ask you a question - do you ride a geared bike?
    How on earth does the gears or lack of gears on my bike affect the safety of anyone around me?
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    How on earth does the gears or lack of gears on my bike affect the safety of anyone around me?
    They allow you to go so much faster than the hikers and horseback riders that collisions are sure to happen.

    I just feel like you don't need to have more than one gear.

    For the safety of the hikers and horseback riders, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    They allow you to go so much faster than the hikers and horseback riders that collisions are sure to happen.

    I just feel like you don't need to have more than one gear.

    For the safety of the hikers and horseback riders, of course.
    Even with one gear, I can gear it however I want which means I can reach the same speeds.

    I also challenge you to go faster on a standard geared store bought mountain bike than an average horse at a consistent speed. Sure, maybe on a gravel road down hill you may hit speeds roughly equaling but average horses can do this on flat and consistently.
    So any day you want to race a horse on a bike, let me know. I can arrange it.

    That being said, some trails systems do have laws limiting the speeds of bicycles for the safety of other users. I guess that is infringing on the cyclists rights.

    Not to mention the number of people killed by all bicycles every year due to speed vs the number killed in hunting accidents is a lot lower.

    Your arguments are just ridiculous but entertaining nonetheless.
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    You sure that the number of cyclists killed in accidents per year is less than those killed in hunting accidents?

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    Excuse me, maybe I should reword that.

    The number of people cyclists kill each year is lower than those killed by hunters in hunting accidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    Seeing as how you are on an mtb forum, let me see if I can equate this to something you may be able to relate to.

    Should you have the choice of brakes on your mtb? Or should your neighbor, who rides a Wal-Mart bike around the neighborhood once a year dictate to you that you can't use disc brakes, you can only use canti's? After all, he doesn't care that discs are safer for YOU, he is concerned over his idea of what you should use.
    I'd sure like to a law passed requiring Avid to silence their f@%^# brakes. Talk about noise pollution!
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    I have not been able to find any data that shows how many people were killed by cyclists.

    However, does it count if 1/4 of all cyclist related fatalities involved alcohol above the legal limit? http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811743.pdf

    Just as I could not find a "killed by cyclists" number, I did not find a hard number for "killed by hunters". What I did find as a number was approximately 100 hunting related deaths per year. This includes folks who fell out of their tree stands.

    Some other interesting statistics I found. It seems that hunting is actually one of the safest outdoor activities you can partake in. Safer even than mountain biking. It also seems that $310,000,000 was raised from excise taxes on firearms and ammunition from 2006 - 2010. What was that you were saying earlier about taxes on those items?

    Source: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811743.pdf



    So, I will posit this: Your opinion is not based on facts or statistics, just your feelings.

    That being the case, I have one more fact for you to chew on. Because suppressors are a Class 3 item, owners go through a six month background check by the ATF before they are allowed to purchase one. I would have to hazard a guess and say that a suppressor owner is even more dedicated that the bow hunters you feel safe around.

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    However, does it count if 1/4 of all cyclist related fatalities involved alcohol above the legal limit?
    Yes if we can include all gun related accidents that involve alcohol.

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    You are safer in the woods during hunting season then you are in most communities. 100 deaths compared to 30,000 deaths. I bet a lot of those are either hunter shooting themselves or somoen in their party. I have a feeling it is more fear from negative stories of hunters then reality. During hunting season wear orange. Talk to hunters like you talk to other trail users. Respectful. Ask them where the are hunting and if possible leave them in peace to hunt. Respect goes a long way.

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    Ummm. . . . . mountain biking is fun, even in the rain.

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    Ummm. . . . . mountain biking is fun, even in the rain.
    And clearly it's raining.

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    Like somebody mentioned earlier, it's kinda nice to know where the hunters are when on the trails. It makes me jump a bit and scares my dog, but at least I know to be alert when I hear shots. On the other hand, my neighbor shoots guns in his yard, and that annoys me. There's nothing pleasant about a gunshot. It's unsettling to the nerves and makes me edgy. If that can be minimized, then I'm all for it. If you don't understand how gunshots can have a negative impact on somebody else's experience, whatever that may be, then you need to realize that there are others that have just as much rights as you do on this planet.

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    I don't think people should be allowed to own guns, especially guns with a silencer. I also find it insane that we would let them shoot guns on public land, my god there are CHILDREN there!!! I also don't think people should be allowed to kill innocent animals, this is barbaric and cruel*






















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    I don't think people should be allowed to own guns, especially guns with a silencer. I also find it insane that we would let them shoot guns on public land, my god there are CHILDREN there!!! I also don't think people should be allowed to kill innocent animals, this is barbaric and cruel*























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    Maybe the FS should mandate noise cancelling headphones for evryone in the forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianW. View Post
    You are safer in the woods during hunting season then you are in most communities.
    ... or driving to work on any given day. That's what's so funny about this discussion. So much time and energy spent worrying and arguing over things that statistically aren't worth worrying or arguing about. Carry on though; I'm enjoying the banter.
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    "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    I dunno, to me it's just a giant gray area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yes if we can include all gun related accidents that involve alcohol.

    We will never agree no matter how wrong you are.
    You're right for once.

    You may say all you like how I am wrong, but you have yet to post a single statistic - even if it's a made up one - that can refute anything I have said.

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    Interesting of you to say that.
    You said shots couldn't be made silent.
    I posted proof.
    You then said it couldn't be done with a hunting caliber.
    I posted proof.

    What more do you want?

    But thanks, I will enjoy the trails when it stops raining.
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    I want hunters to be as loud as possible. And I do the same come hunting season.
    Silencers are for hitman IMO.

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    "Hitman"

    LOL

    You should probably stop watching so many gangster movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Interesting of you to say that.
    You said shots couldn't be made silent.
    I posted proof.
    You then said it couldn't be done with a hunting caliber.
    I posted proof.

    What more do you want?

    But thanks, I will enjoy the trails when it stops raining.
    I would like you to post any facts and/or statistics that will lend credence to your position that hunters having the choice of using suppressors endangers you.

    Suppressors are legal for use when hunting in many other states already. If they are so dangerous, there must be incidents of people being accidentally shot by now.

    Or admit that you have nothing more than your opinion with no facts to back up your claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    I would like you to post any facts and/or statistics that will lend credence to your position that hunters having the choice of using suppressors endangers you.

    Suppressors are legal for use when hunting in many other states already. If they are so dangerous, there must be incidents of people being accidentally shot by now.

    Or admit that you have nothing more than your opinion with no facts to back up your claims.
    Since you are so concerned about proving something, proof can go both ways so where are the statistics proving your position?

    You can't provide it.

    That being said, I am sure nobody has done any research to this and if somebody was shot in hunting accident by a gun with a suppressor I highly doubt you could prove or disprove the accident would not have happened if the gun did not have a suppressor.


    Yes, I have my opinion which is I like to know where shots are coming from and the proximity they are to me. Knowing doesn't automatically make it more or less safer. What it does do though is allow me to make a decision if I want to choose a different place to ride or leave a certain section of the park. It also brings awareness to others around that they need to be extra cautious because hunters are in the area.

    Now if you can give me a good reason to allow suppressors other than so a hunter does not have to be discomforted by earplugs than I will listen.
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    I have posted the statistics that show 677 cyclists killed vs 100 in hunting accidents, most of which are falling from trees.

    I have asked you for ANYTHING, other than your OPINION, to back up your claims that you are less safe, and you have provided NOTHING.

    Here - I will even give you a hand in trying to find some statistics. Texas allows hunting with suppressors. Go and see if you can find out how many people were shot in Texas in hunting accidents. At least than you might have something substantial to back up your opinion with.

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    "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    Texas. A fine example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    texas. A fine example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Texas. A fine example.
    I'm guessing Dick Chaneyz hunting partners would not have benefited from a silencer. It wouldn't help being shot in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    I have posted the statistics that show 677 cyclists killed vs 100 in hunting accidents, most of which are falling from trees.

    I have asked you for ANYTHING, other than your OPINION, to back up your claims that you are less safe, and you have provided NOTHING.

    Here - I will even give you a hand in trying to find some statistics. Texas allows hunting with suppressors. Go and see if you can find out how many people were shot in Texas in hunting accidents. At least than you might have something substantial to back up your opinion with.

    You are thick

    I am only saying I want to know that shots are being fired around me, how many shots, how close they are, etc. What is so hard to understand about that?


    Statistics are not going to change how I feel about that.

    If I start riding in a certain area and I hear several shots that are close by, I might want to choose a different area to ride. Where I live, hunting is allowed almost everywhere that people bike, hike and ride horses.


    Now give me one good reason I should give that comfort level up so a hunter does not have to wear ear plugs?
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    Well, basing laws off of your, or for that matter ANYONE's, opinion just makes for bad law.

    What are needed are facts and statistics to support your position.

    Which you do not have.

    You really should brush up on your debate and/or google skills if you wish to have a defensible position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    Well, basing laws off of your, or for that matter ANYONE's, opinion just makes for bad law.

    What are needed are facts and statistics to support your position.

    Which you do not have.

    You really should brush up on your debate and/or google skills if you wish to have a defensible position.
    What you are missing here is there already is a law.
    I am not trying to make a new one.
    You are.

    So it is ok to base a law off your opinion but not mine?

    So you are the one that needs to support your position otherwise you are just supporting a bad law.

    There is nothing supporting that hunting with suppressors makes it safer.
    It just makes it quieter. If it doesn't make it safer, there is no need to change it.

    As far as facts go, it is a fact that I along with many other people are more comfortable sharing the trails with hunters if we can hear gun shots better.
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    Not trying to make a new one, trying to get rid of an ineffective one.

    It's ineffective because there are many states that allow the use of suppressors, and there is no increase in accidents.

    The article that spawned this entire thread actually states many reasons why they are looking to get rid of this law. You are more than welcome to take your feelings to the State and lobby to keep the current law on the books.

    I make sure to keep in touch with the General Assembly on a regular basis so they know both my opinion and any additional facts I can bring to their attention on laws they are debating.

    I just contacted them this evening showing my support for HB937. As soon as I can find the actual bill number for this topic, I will be contacting them with my support on it as well.

    Seriously, though. You really should get you and your friends together and make your voices heard. Maybe your feelings will overcome facts and logic.

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    I have a hard time understanding why hunters are being singled out. I do not hunt, never have but grew up in a hunting friendly community. I have spoken to a number of hunters on the rail while riding, hiking, and trail running. During the hunting season I wear "hunter orange". No big deal. Many hunters have thanked me for doing it. It is all respect. I alway ask where they plan on hunting and if they have others in their party. They have every right to be in the woods as the rest of us. I would prefer to hear the shots so it can help me make the best and safest decisions. Suppressing the rifle IMO is just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    Not trying to make a new one, trying to get rid of an ineffective one.

    It's ineffective because there are many states that allow the use of suppressors, and there is no increase in accidents.

    The article that spawned this entire thread actually states many reasons why they are looking to get rid of this law. You are more than welcome to take your feelings to the State and lobby to keep the current law on the books.

    I make sure to keep in touch with the General Assembly on a regular basis so they know both my opinion and any additional facts I can bring to their attention on laws they are debating.

    I just contacted them this evening showing my support for HB937. As soon as I can find the actual bill number for this topic, I will be contacting them with my support on it as well.

    Seriously, though. You really should get you and your friends together and make your voices heard. Maybe your feelings will overcome facts and logic.
    I'm not sure i understand your position, so please explain to me what it is that you want from this legislation. What do you gain and what is the benefit to the public at large?

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    I'm guessing Dick Chaneyz hunting partners would not have benefited from a silencer. It wouldn't help being shot in the face.
    I'm pretty sure Texas is a shoot in the face at will state. Not many questions asked.

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    The gain is allowing people with legally owned items to use them when hunting.

    You know, a little thing called freedom?

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    "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    If you feel threatened by something, shoot it, especially if its a face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    The gain is allowing people with legally owned items to use them when hunting.

    You know, a little thing called freedom?
    You are right, we should throw all the rules out for hunting because they interfere with your freedoms.

    If you want to shoot deer year round in the name of freedom, do it.
    Want to shoot them with a bazooka, do it.
    Hell, if there is an endangered species soot it in the name of freedom.
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    The gain is allowing people with legally owned items to use them when hunting.

    You know, a little thing called freedom?
    But what's the advantage? What about my freedoms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    You are right, we should throw all the rules out for hunting because they interfere with your freedoms.

    If you want to shoot deer year round in the name of freedom, do it.
    Want to shoot them with a bazooka, do it.
    Hell, if there is an endangered species soot it in the name of freedom.
    You know how I know I won this debate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    But what's the advantage? What about my freedoms?
    The advantages have been covered.

    You are free to enter or not enter the woods during hunting season. It would be no more dangerous than it is right now.

    Or restrict your riding to Sundays when no hunting is allowed.

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    The gain is allowing people with legally owned items to use them when hunting.

    You know, a little thing called freedom?
    Speaking of freedom, please feel free to quote the post you're responding to, so we can at least understand that.

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    I rest my case.

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    The advantages have been covered.

    You are free to enter or not enter the woods during hunting season. It would be no more dangerous than it is right now.

    Or restrict your riding to Sundays when no hunting is allowed.
    I'm sorry, perhaps I missed the advantages and who they would be advantageous to. Entertain me. So you suggest that one user group takes precedence over all others? Why is that? Again, entertain me.

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    I believe the legislation has had its intended effect: Drive a wedge between otherwise agreeable people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    I'm sorry, perhaps I missed the advantages and who they would be advantageous to. Entertain me. So you suggest that one user group takes precedence over all others? Why is that? Again, entertain me.
    Already been posted.

    Go read the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphajaguars View Post
    I rest my case.
    Well, good.

    That means you don't need to say anything else about it.
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    Already been posted.

    Go read the thread.
    I read it. I'm still unclear of the point of all this. Are you a politician? Because you seem to pedal squares. Saying or answering nothing.

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    He rested his case already.
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    "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    Right. And what an awesome, persuasive case it was.

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    Re: "Noise suppression" coming to a trail near you, (endorsed by the FS)

    I think you both need a silencer....

    Since noise suppression on guns is illegal in NC, it seems like a mute point.

    Make some thing better happen.
    He/she who works the trails does so in their own image.

    Speed just slows me down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    I think you both need a silencer....

    Since noise suppression on guns is illegal in NC, it seems like a mute point.

    Make some thing better happen.
    Check that again.

    Suppressors are perfectly legal to own in NC. You just can't currently hunt with one on your weapon.

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