Just dopping by

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  • 01-15-2013
    deeptroller123
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    Just dopping by
    Been riding totally downhill - 10,000% more fun than pedaling up hill all day .
    If anyone has the balls come race Sunday (Jaynes......No it;s not too late to start training for this)

    Motobutane out:thumbsup:
  • 01-15-2013
    mbmb65
    I'll be damned. Welcome back. Pusquit. 😄
  • 01-16-2013
    slackHA
    They aren't nearly as ban-happy over here as they used to be. Maybe they noticed how they have run everyone off?
  • 01-17-2013
    mbmb65
    I reckon. It's pretty slow around here.
  • 01-17-2013
    jerry68
    I would love to own a downhill bike. It looks fun as hell!... but I already have, per my wife, too many bikes and too many hobbies. I imagine it would be a lot like motocross, without the throttle to get you out of trouble.
  • 01-17-2013
    mbmb65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jerry68 View Post
    I would love to own a downhill bike. It looks fun as hell!... but I already have, per my wife, too many bikes and too many hobbies. I imagine it would be a lot like motocross, without the throttle to get you out of trouble.

    Me too. But I'd probably kill myself.
  • 01-17-2013
    jerry68
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Me too. But I'd probably kill myself.

    I would wear ALL of my MX gear... and probably still end up in an ambulance :D
  • 01-17-2013
    Woodman
    7 lives (MTBR wise)? You might need them (riding wise), did you look closely at the deck boards on the take off ramp, they look under 1/2".:eek: Cool jump, but I would like to see 2" board for longevity/durability.
  • 01-17-2013
    mbmb65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    7 lives (MTBR wise)? You might need them (riding wise), did you look closely at the deck boards on the take off ramp, they look under 1/2".:eek: Cool jump, but I would like to see 2" board for longevity/durability.

    1/2"? I don't think so. They look like store bought 5/4 deck boards, which are an inch.
  • 01-17-2013
    driftwood
    Ever the contrarian, I'm going to say those are 1x boards which measure 3/4". That isn't necessarily a bad thing but I am more concerned about the 2x stringer material that is being run on the flat - those boards should really be on edge. The bracing looks a little suspect and I don't see any bolts.

    That is what I would use as my excuse for not hitting that jump. It has nothing to do with being too chicken ;)

    Welcome back, deeptroller123, you were very sadly missed. Do you know where Samford is? We could really use him back.
  • 01-17-2013
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jerry68 View Post
    I would love to own a downhill bike. It looks fun as hell!... but I already have, per my wife, too many bikes and too many hobbies. I imagine it would be a lot like motocross, without the throttle to get you out of trouble.

    You could kill two birds with one stone: Upgrade to a new wife and buy a new bike!
  • 01-17-2013
    jerry68
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    Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    You could kill two birds with one stone: Upgrade to a new wife and buy a new bike!

    My wife rides mountain bikes, dirt bikes, and has a Triumph 675 Daytona SE. She'd be pretty damn hard to upgrade. I really cannot complain because a dedicated DH bike is about the only form of bicycle I do not currently have in my garage :cool:
  • 01-17-2013
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jerry68 View Post
    My wife rides mountain bikes, dirt bikes, and has a Triumph 675 Daytona SE. She'd be pretty damn hard to upgrade. I really cannot complain because a dedicated DH bike is about the only form of bicycle I do not currently have in my garage :cool:

    Dang, it sounds like you have a fun one! I'd own a DH bike if I lived close to a ski resort and I could use it all summer. But, I don't, so I don't see the point of owning one.
  • 01-17-2013
    slackHA
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    Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    I reckon. It's pretty slow around here.

    I see you still have the wealth of wisdom on making trails as boring as possible.
  • 01-17-2013
    mbmb65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by driftwood View Post
    Ever the contrarian, I'm going to say those are 1x boards which measure 3/4". That isn't necessarily a bad thing but I am more concerned about the 2x stringer material that is being run on the flat - those boards should really be on edge. The bracing looks a little suspect and I don't see any bolts.

    That is what I would use as my excuse for not hitting that jump. It has nothing to do with being too chicken ;)

    Welcome back, deeptroller123, you were very sadly missed. Do you know where Samford is? We could really use him back.

    I'm sticking with 5/4 boards. I don't see a 2x stringer. They gotta have a couple of joists in there somewhere. Hopefully 2x6 at least. Hard to tell from a picture, but I don't see any bolts either. Still don't think I'd hit it.
  • 01-17-2013
    deeptroller123
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    A few more....me hitting said under built jump and they are fence planks.
  • 01-17-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    1/2"? I don't think so. They look like store bought 5/4 deck boards, which are an inch.


    Maybe I just need to clean my computor glasses

    :cool:
  • 01-17-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slackHA View Post
    I see you still have the wealth of wisdom on making trails as boring as possible.

    I hear good things about Windrock, and yes they get to build what they want becuse it is private.
  • 01-17-2013
    slackHA
    Why didn't you post this one? Best one Brett has done so far imho.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zi4d680S4qw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
  • 01-18-2013
    mbmb65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deeptroller123 View Post
    A few more....me hitting said under built jump and they are fence planks.

    Cool. I'd like to try that sort of thing one of these days. Are all those pics from windrock?
  • 01-18-2013
    driftwood
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deeptroller123 View Post
    they are fence planks.

    Some fence planks measure 5/8" which would mean we are all wrong :lol:
  • 01-18-2013
    mbmb65
    Will somebody please dc that decking and confirm the size?!?!😁
  • 01-18-2013
    Woodman
    Is this all from Snowshoe, or a comilation of Snowshoe and Windrock?

    My guess is you loved Whistler. Great riding at the bike park, but also good riding at Lost Lake and in the backcountry.
  • 01-18-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slackHA View Post
    I see you still have the wealth of wisdom on making trails as boring as possible.

    Rocky Knob Park Promotional on Vimeo

    Nothing to see here, just boring trail with jumps, ladder bridges, log skinnies, rock gardens and rock drops. No, not as extreme as as some of the videos you gents have been sharing. What makes Rocky Knob cool is a higher level of riding with proper risk management making it aceptable for a public land managing agency. Rocky knob will open doors and help land managers understand and acept bike parks on public lands as an acceptable risk.:thumbsup:
  • 01-18-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deeptroller123 View Post
    A few more....me hitting said under built jump and they are fence planks.

    We can joke all we want about "under built" but there is a harsh reality to under built structures (and yes I realize you did not build this). I had a phone call this AM from a defense attorney representing a local bike club being sued by someone who fell off a ladder bridge structure. I have served as an expert in a number of lawsuits and it looks as if I am signing up for another.

    A rider does not have to experience a total failure of a built structure in crash and injury situation to bring forth a lawsuit against the land manager (public or private) or bike club as the builder. Design, construction and maintenance will be always questioned no matter what.
  • 01-18-2013
    kjlued
    That is a big problem with this country is that everyone wants to blame somebody else for their problems and then sue them.

    I find it kind of ridiculous that people go out do a sport realizing it can be dangerous then when they get injured they decide to sue. If you can't take falling and getting hurt, then stay home and ride a stationary bike.

    Barring anything like catastrophic failure such as a bridge falling, you should not be able to sue.



    Nice vid BTW:thumbsup:
  • 01-18-2013
    driftwood
    Maybe I should go into the wooden elevated trail feature business.

    Who needs a ladder bridge?

    One for three, two for five!
  • 01-18-2013
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    ^ And signing a waiver of liability means nothing.
  • 01-18-2013
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    ^ And signing a waiver of liability means nothing.

    Yup, waivers are pretty much useless.
  • 01-19-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yup, waivers are pretty much useless.


    I was a consultant in a case against a ski mountain bike park in Canada in which there was a waiver signed and a video of the mom signing such for a kid before sending the kid out with brother and friends. After lunch (with mom) kids switched bikes and rode the same trail they had been riding all morning. This was a jump trail and first run after lunch kid misses the jump and gets injured. Lawsuit.
  • 01-19-2013
    Woodman
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    Originally Posted by deeptroller123 View Post
    In regards to these wooden structures you have to sign a waiver releasing the land owner from liability.There is no particular club and no one person responsible for all wooden structures at Windrock. Also don't assume I didn't build it,I have built and repaired wooden structures there.

    Woody do you have a Engineering degree? If your answer is no then do you get all the structures you build engineered? If your answer is no then you are setting yourself up for a lawsuit.

    Moto,

    Sorry to assume you did not build this or other structures there at Windrock. Sounds like you have found a trail system you love and are giving back to same, cool.

    No, I don't have an engineering degree (Outdoor Recreation Management from Happy App State). We do engage engineers if/when needed, mostly for major structures (USFS rule is bridges over 20' need to be stamped and most land managers play by that same rule).

    We over build all of our wood structures. Ladder bridges use 6-8" round poles for stringers (super beefy) and deck boards are typically rough cut treated 2x6 which means they are a full 2" (beefier than store bought) and have good texture.

    Rick management for trails and bike parks is much more than well built structures. Other important aspects: signage, options and progression, mandatory features vs. optional features (time and place for both), trail filters or qualifiers if needed etc.....
  • 01-19-2013
    Woodman
    "I find it kind of ridiculous that people go out do a sport realizing it can be dangerous then when they get injured they decide to sue. If you can't take falling and getting hurt, then stay home and ride a stationary bike.

    Barring anything like catastrophic failure such as a bridge falling, you should not be able to sue."

    Sorry, but that is not the way it works in the US (or Canada). I am under retainer for a case where a rider hit his head on a low hanging limb. Perhaps he could not properly see the limb due to the full face helmet he was wearing (on a XC trail). Crazy.
  • 01-19-2013
    Woodman
    Some followers of this post may want to review info here:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/north-south-c...nt-762852.html

    Apologies to MotoB for the hijack of his thread.
  • 01-19-2013
    mbmb65
    A derailment of epic proportions. Party pooper.
  • 01-19-2013
    slackHA
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    Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    A derailment of epic proportions. Party pooper.

    Perfect example of why this place is dead.

    Whenever you tire of this, you know where we are.
  • 01-19-2013
    Woodman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slackHA View Post
    Perfect example of why this place is dead.

    Whenever you tire of this, you know where we are.

    This place fell all to pieces after you gents left, total chaos. Maybe you could volunteer to become the Moderators and get us all back on track:D

    Seriously, do any of these treads stay focused on just one topic, I certainly have not witnessed that.

    And now we return you to the previously scheduled topic:
    Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Just Dropped In - YouTube
  • 01-19-2013
    kjlued
    Damn, and the whole time I didn't realize he left the "r" off "dropping" and thought he just added an extra "p" in "doping".

    The whole time I though this was just another Lance Armstrong thread.:madman:
  • 01-19-2013
    Broussard
    Dopper!
  • 01-20-2013
    mbmb65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slackHA View Post
    Perfect example of why this place is dead.

    Whenever you tire of this, you know where we are.

    Word.