That is a big problem with this country is that everyone wants to blame somebody else for their problems and then sue them.
I find it kind of ridiculous that people go out do a sport realizing it can be dangerous then when they get injured they decide to sue. If you can't take falling and getting hurt, then stay home and ride a stationary bike.
Barring anything like catastrophic failure such as a bridge falling, you should not be able to sue.
Nice vid BTW
Maybe I should go into the wooden elevated trail feature business.
Who needs a ladder bridge?
One for three, two for five!
^ And signing a waiver of liability means nothing.
Yup, waivers are pretty much useless.
Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn
Originally Posted by kjlued
I was a consultant in a case against a ski mountain bike park in Canada in which there was a waiver signed and a video of the mom signing such for a kid before sending the kid out with brother and friends. After lunch (with mom) kids switched bikes and rode the same trail they had been riding all morning. This was a jump trail and first run after lunch kid misses the jump and gets injured. Lawsuit.
Originally Posted by deeptroller123
Sorry to assume you did not build this or other structures there at Windrock. Sounds like you have found a trail system you love and are giving back to same, cool.
No, I don't have an engineering degree (Outdoor Recreation Management from Happy App State). We do engage engineers if/when needed, mostly for major structures (USFS rule is bridges over 20' need to be stamped and most land managers play by that same rule).
We over build all of our wood structures. Ladder bridges use 6-8" round poles for stringers (super beefy) and deck boards are typically rough cut treated 2x6 which means they are a full 2" (beefier than store bought) and have good texture.
Rick management for trails and bike parks is much more than well built structures. Other important aspects: signage, options and progression, mandatory features vs. optional features (time and place for both), trail filters or qualifiers if needed etc.....
"I find it kind of ridiculous that people go out do a sport realizing it can be dangerous then when they get injured they decide to sue. If you can't take falling and getting hurt, then stay home and ride a stationary bike.
Barring anything like catastrophic failure such as a bridge falling, you should not be able to sue."
Sorry, but that is not the way it works in the US (or Canada). I am under retainer for a case where a rider hit his head on a low hanging limb. Perhaps he could not properly see the limb due to the full face helmet he was wearing (on a XC trail). Crazy.
Some followers of this post may want to review info here:
Optional Trail Features and risk management
Apologies to MotoB for the hijack of his thread.
A derailment of epic proportions. Party pooper.
Perfect example of why this place is dead.
Originally Posted by mbmb65
Whenever you tire of this, you know where we are.
This place fell all to pieces after you gents left, total chaos. Maybe you could volunteer to become the Moderators and get us all back on track
Originally Posted by slackHA
Seriously, do any of these treads stay focused on just one topic, I certainly have not witnessed that.
And now we return you to the previously scheduled topic:
Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Just Dropped In - YouTube
Damn, and the whole time I didn't realize he left the "r" off "dropping" and thought he just added an extra "p" in "doping".
The whole time I though this was just another Lance Armstrong thread.
Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.
Originally Posted by slackHA