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    FATS closed 'til ?

    cut an paste from sorba-csra. I will keep my opinion to myself.

    "FATS is officially closed during the government shutdown.

    Forks Area Trail System is considered a developed recreation area (toilets, water), so it is officially closed during the government shutdown. Since this is an official closure, you can be ticketed and/or fined if caught trespassing.

    Horn Creek Trail is closed too. Undeveloped trails like Modoc, Wine, and Turkey will remain open during the shutdown.

    Don't risk a ticket by poaching FATS. We'll update with new information as it comes our way.


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    Read more: http://sorbacsra.proboards.com/thread/3421/fats-trail-conditions-2013?page=13#ixzz2gYjmwxen"

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    Not that I was going there, but why would FATS be closed if Pisgah is still open?
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    Poach it!!! This is ridiculous, just don't use the toilet or water. Can't trespass on land that belongs to all US citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Not that I was going there, but why would FATS be closed if Pisgah is still open?
    As explained, it is considered a developed recreation area and since the bathrooms and water will be shut down, the rest of the park will be too. I know it sounds silly, but that is just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidener View Post
    Poach it!!! This is ridiculous, just don't use the toilet or water. Can't trespass on land that belongs to all US citizens.
    By this logic we should all be riding 4-wheelers out there. And everywhere else. Brilliant.
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    Yep state stuff not closed!

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    The logic does not extend to 4-wheelers, horses, cars, roller blades, or anything else the trails were not designed for. All I am saying is that this is no valid excuse to close the trails, the fact that the toilets may be locked and water off has nothing to do with anything practical. Closing FATS for this makes about as much sense as all the rest of it. I am just suggesting a little civil disobedience. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, do as you will.

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    I actually agree with civil disobedience if you are using it for its intended purposes. We are not getting a break on our tax dollars during this time of shutdown so therefore we should be allowed to go business as normal. The problem is, you will most likely get a ticket but do what you want.
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    If the employees have been furloughed, who will issue the citation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertdavid View Post
    If the employees have been furloughed, who will issue the citation?
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    I'm also a fan of civil disobedience, when it is used to effect change. Don't think poaching in this instance falls in that category. We're supposed to be in partnership with the land managers. Poaching is in direct conflict with that partnership.

    Putting it another way, I really don't think the amenities at FATS or elsewhere, the ones provided by the land managers and that are currently shut down, are all that useful. In fact, most of the time I don't really like my tax dollars going to trailhead amenities -- I'd rather they go to the trails. What the land managers do is provide enforcement, even when they aren't on site. If not for the USFS, FATS would be totally torn up by horses and 4-wheelers, regardless of whether it was a designated bike trail or not because there would be no one to stop it. So when the USFS asks me to stay off the trail, I listen, because if I don't, why should anyone else?
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    The Grand Canyon isn't bike legal, open or closed.

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