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    DuPont trail conditions

    Trail conditions in DuPont have been awesome this fall, hard packed, dry and rolling nicely. Having been gone for 5+ months I was eager to get out on the trails in the past few weeks and see how well they held up to the 100+" of rain we have had this year. The trails held up great, I saw almost no signs of a summer of heavy rain on all the purpose built singletrack (fall line old roads certainly eroded).

    Weather events this past week was a ****estorm for trail conditions: 2+" of rain followed by 1" of snow and then really cold (a few nights of 18 degrees). All that in just a couple days time and the wet with cold has set up freeze/thaw and muddy conditions on some trails in DuPont. Problem trails are those with clay based soils, sandier soil trails should be fine.

    Reasonover was bad today (11/29), so bad that I will recommend closure to forest management to protect trail tread and all the good work that happened on that trail this spring. Other suspects: Airstrip, Mine Mountain, Laurel Ridge. This means parking at Fawn Lake right now will be the worst choice, consider other parking areas and ride trails in other sections of DuPont (or ride early while ground is frozen). I will continue to offer updates based on my inspections and others are encouraged to offer trail condition reports here as well.
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    Today we rode Cascade, Pine Tree, Longside, Twixt, Wilkie and Micajah
    ...all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Today we rode Cascade, Pine Tree, Longside, Twixt, Wilkie and Micajah
    ...all good.
    All those are on the sandy side. I would also expect Ridgeline and Jim Branch to be good to go, will check them out over the weekend and report back. Thanks for your post and report on these trails.

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    Yup, thats why we rode that side and only found a spot or two holding moisture. The biggest hazzard was the ice on slab at the top of Cascade and top of Micajah, always makes for interesting traction.

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    Jim Branch and Ridgeline are fine. I rode then Thanksgiving.

    Three and that side of Pitch Pine need some work.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Rode out of Lake Imaging yesterday 12-7. Jim Branch,Hilltop,& Ridgline were great.... Even after hard rains from night before.

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    All of DuPont is cold and wet today.

    I didn't see it first hand, just call it an intuition.
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    Highly advisable that Reasonover should probably be avoided during the winter months. Rode it last week before the rains returned and after 4 days of sun and still a sploogy slop-fest. The red clay composit there just can't handle bike traffic on top of the freeze-thaw effect.

    Like Jim Lauderdale and Donna the Buffalo says ..."Wait til spring".

    Now you got that song in yer head, don't ya.

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    Reasonover Creek Trail is now closed due to freeze/thaw and mud conditions. The trail will reopen when the weather stabilizes. Please respect this closure and help protect this trail during winter months and help spread the word. I will keep all posted and up to date when the trail re-opens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Reasonover Creek Trail is now closed due to freeze/thaw and mud conditions. The trail will reopen when the weather stabilizes. Please respect this closure and help protect this trail during winter months and help spread the word. I will keep all posted and up to date when the trail re-opens.
    Funny thing is, I said to my buddy today that I wish they would close that trail during the winter and make it a seasonal trail. Great trail but it just shouldn't be used by any user group this time of year.
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    Glad we could make your wish come true. It will not be an always closed in the winter type of thing, always winter and weather dependent. So far, the winter this weather has been a perfect recipe for bad trail conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Glad we could make your wish come true. It will not be an always closed in the winter type of thing, always winter and weather dependent. So far, the winter this weather has been a perfect recipe for bad trail conditions.
    It doesn't take much for reasonover to get bad.
    My real wish would be it wouldn't need closing but I just don't soil conditions will allow that.
    It is a great trail but I pretty much avoid it all winter regardless. Maybe I will ride it if there is a good solid freeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Maybe I will ride it if there is a good solid freeze.
    Umm, not if its closed.

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    Thanks Woody!! Glad to see it happen, maybe now all the recent work won't be destroyed.
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    That is the idea, protect the recent work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Umm, not if its closed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Umm, not if its closed.
    Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious.

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    Is all of Reasonover closed? Hopefully it is open to the Turkey Knob trail junction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahrider View Post
    Is all of Reasonover closed? Hopefully it is open to the Turkey Knob trail junction.
    Sorry, but all of Reasonover is closed. You can use Pinnacle Mountain Road to climb up to gain access to the new Turkey Knob Connector. That is a nice uphill gravel road with good views.

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    Funny how the trails with the most recent work are the ones that get closed first.I'm wondering if this "work" has been done correctly.From the boastful typing's of these supposed trail experts it seems odd that a trail they worked on would need to be closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Funny how the trails with the most recent work are the ones that get closed first.I'm wondering if this "work" has been done correctly.From the boastful typing's of these supposed trail experts it seems odd that a trail they worked on would need to be closed.

    Actually it makes perfect sense that a trail that had recent work or was recently built would be closed after heavy rains or in the winter when the freeze/thaws are happening and right now we are getting both.
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    Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe it has more to due with soil types, what direction the trail faces (north or south), elevation of trail in relation to other trails, ridgetops and other geography features, presence of hydrology (streams, rivers) holding moisture in low lying valleys etc?

    Many trails in DuPont got worked on under the same contract by the same contractor and with the same work prescription. Reasonover is the only one that needed to be closed, so maybe, just maybe it has nothing to do with whether the work was done correctly as you have suggested here. The decision to close one was based on real-time inspections on almost a weekly basis and monitoring conditions frequently and after different weather related events (rain, hard freezes etc.). For the record, most trails in DuPont are doing quite well this winter season despite a combination of winter related events that do have an effect on trail tread conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Actually it makes perfect sense that a trail that had recent work or was recently built would be closed after heavy rains or in the winter when the freeze/thaws are happening and right now we are getting both.
    BINGO! We are not the only area that deals with freeze/thaw, all you have to do is a bit of hunting around this here interwebs tool and find lots of places dealing with similar issues:
    2014 - Bend Area Trail Conditions & Blow Down Thread

    DuPont is known as one of the better draining trail systems in western NC. Winter however is a very different monster.

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    It has absolutely nothing to do with the trail work as Woody stated. Reasonover had these same issues, well before the recent trail work was performed.
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    Another point for Sassy
    He/she who works the trails does so in their own image.

    Speed just slows me down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Funny how the trails with the most recent work are the ones that get closed first.I'm wondering if this "work" has been done correctly.From the boastful typing's of these supposed trail experts it seems odd that a trail they worked on would need to be closed.
    When the weather is cold and wet and we try and plan a ride, the first ones we consider are the newest ones built. New trail builds have well engineered alignment, out-sloping, dips and drains. Old converted hiking trail and/or skid-paths, with the exception of maybe Laurel-Pilot and Farlow because of their rocky surface, are the last ones we want to tread on. I have ridden Bracken Mtn the minute after the rain stopped and it was perfect, same goes for Cascade, Ridgeline, Pinetree and others in DSF. Reasonover is unique because of its soil composite and southern facing slopes. Please check your facts before starting a smear campaign on those that try and bring us more riding opportunities.

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    Such a fine line between ignorance and stupidity.

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    DuPont trail conditions- winter 2013/2014

    Please good citizens, please do not feed the troll. Sassy pants will likely not be heard from again concerning this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snototter View Post
    Such a fine line between ignorance and stupidity.
    Not in her case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Not in her case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    It has absolutely nothing to do with the trail work as Woody stated. Reasonover had these same issues, well before the recent trail work was performed.
    Always good when folks are educated and remember past history of a trail as opposed to just blabbing cause they don't like any trail work regardless. Thank you for jumping in with that very important history lesson. You are correct, the problems were there on R-Creek trail last winter, and the one before and so on. The work done makes the trail drain much better now for 10+ months out of the year, as noted winter is just a fragile time. The USFS just announced a bunch of road closures of normally open to traffic roads due to freeze/thaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Please good citizens, please do not feed the troll. Sassy pants will likely not be heard from again concerning this thread.
    Look what I found

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    I guess he is known.
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    Boastful and sensitive.And as usual the d!ckheads chimed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Boastful and sensitive.And as usual the d!ckheads chimed in.
    Oh, come on. You say something beyond stupid, you are corrected and that is the best you can do?

    The only boastful and sensitive d!ckhead here is obviously you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Oh, come on. You say something beyond stupid, you are corrected and that is the best you can do?

    The only boastful and sensitive d!ckhead here is obviously you.


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    I'm the stupid one here, I wasn't paying attention to it actually being your post.
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    DuPont trail conditions- winter 2013/2014

    Sassycrotch returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Sassycrotch returns.
    We can always depend on A$$hat65 to chime in.

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    DuPont trail conditions- winter 2013/2014

    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    We can always depend on A$$hat65 to chime in.
    Amen sister. "We" really can.

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    Jan 31 conditions:

    Complete slopfest. Frozen ground under, 2-3" of melting slow on top. Conditions today went from ridable with no real tread damage (due to snow) to a complete slopfeast in a few hours.

    Please avoid all trails if possible for a while until things dry out a bit, go ride some gravel roads.

    Thank you for your consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    I have ridden Bracken Mtn the minute after the rain stopped and it was perfect.
    just FYI, snow is apparently a different story from rain on Bracken. We tried to ride in from the fish hatchery gravel on Sat, and it was a nightmare as soon as we got to the newly worked section. Rode less than a 1/4 mile before we decided it was not going to improve and we needed to stop putting tracks in the red mud. Turned around. I'm at a loss where we can ride for the rest of the winter/spring besides gravel roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedchick View Post
    just FYI, snow is apparently a different story from rain on Bracken. We tried to ride in from the fish hatchery gravel on Sat, and it was a nightmare as soon as we got to the newly worked section. Rode less than a 1/4 mile before we decided it was not going to improve and we needed to stop putting tracks in the red mud. Turned around. I'm at a loss where we can ride for the rest of the winter/spring besides gravel roads.
    FYI that first section from the end of 475c, has just been reworked within the last few weeks. It hasn't had time to even get packed in yet, however the freeze thaw has hit several spots on the "Brevard" side of Bracken as well. I'd only ride it at temps where things will be frozen.

    Also even the gravel in Dupont is soft and slop right now. It appeared yesterday that most of the riders were staying on gravel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedchick View Post
    just FYI, snow is apparently a different story from rain on Bracken. We tried to ride in from the fish hatchery gravel on Sat, and it was a nightmare as soon as we got to the newly worked section. Rode less than a 1/4 mile before we decided it was not going to improve and we needed to stop putting tracks in the red mud. Turned around. I'm at a loss where we can ride for the rest of the winter/spring besides gravel roads.
    Not sure how Bracken conditions fits in here on the discussion of trail conditions in Dupont, but that is how these treads seem to evolve.

    Yes, snow is way different. Things at rest like to stay at rest. Melting snow is pretty lazy and does not really want to go anywhere. And this year, it is sitting on top of frozen ground underneath thanks to all the very cold weather. It is a bit rare for us to have frozen ground, but this year we have. Water now can not go vertical though the soil matrix (which it never does in clay, but the sandy loam soils of DuPont it does) as it hits the frozen ground pretty quick. Ground thaws from the top down, so the top layer thaws while the under layer is still frozen. All in all, that makes for very poor trail conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post

    Also even the gravel in Dupont is soft and slop right now. It appeared yesterday that most of the riders were staying on gravel.
    Yeah, we stayed on the gravel this weekend and I left DuPont the muddiest I had ever left DuPont.

    Not saying that mountain bikers are free from blame nor am I trying to push the blame on equestrian use however I did see quite a bit of horses out there and they seemed to be using the single track. I blame that more on the lack of education on trail maintenance when it comes to user group.

    Woody, don't know if it is possible or not but is it possible to put signs up at the trail heads requesting people don't use the trails when conditions are this horrible?
    You know something like forest fire danger signs. It would possibly educate the many who use the trails that gnomes don't come and fix the damage over night.
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    I am thinking of heading over to dupont/Pisgah from Raleigh for the weekend. It looks like there is no rain in the Dupont forecast through the weekend. Although, I have been reading & it seems that it has been pretty sloppy from all the rain/snow & freeze-thaw in the past.

    Do yall think conditions may be rideable by the weekend?

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    I plan to get out for a hike this afternoon to check on conditions, but would expect conditions to still be poor. We had a fair bit of rain last night, and that was on top of really poor conditions. I will post up observations later today. I don't think you are going to find anywhere dry and in good shape right now, it has been one of those winters (wet and extreme cold, snow melting, and too many folks wanting to get out causing tread damage).



    Quote Originally Posted by mkirby258 View Post
    I am thinking of heading over to dupont/Pisgah from Raleigh for the weekend. It looks like there is no rain in the Dupont forecast through the weekend. Although, I have been reading & it seems that it has been pretty sloppy from all the rain/snow & freeze-thaw in the past.

    Do yall think conditions may be rideable by the weekend?

    Thanks for the input
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    Any updates on conditions? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdvm View Post
    Any updates on conditions? Thanks.
    Thanks for asking. I have been a little preoccupied with the Black Mountain saga, sorry I have not posted anything here.

    I walked most of Ridgeline and Jim Branch on Wed. Worst conditions I think I have ever seen in DuPont. Tons of bike traffic on those 2 trails Fri and over the weekend when the tread was very fragile. Frozen ground underneath, and melting snow on top just in time for 50-60 degree days on a weekend. I would ask folks to stay off of those 2 trails until conditions improve, and when I check again on Monday if conditions have not improved and we are seeing new tread damage from bikes I will recommend forest management to do a temp closure on those. Go for a hike instead, as I really don't know of trails very ridable w/o tread damage right now anywhere.
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    Thanks Woody. Kids are itching to ride, didn't want to drive down there if it was a no-go.

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    We all are itching.......



    Quote Originally Posted by timdvm View Post
    Thanks Woody. Kids are itching to ride, didn't want to drive down there if it was a no-go.

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