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    Dave Trumpore used a shot of my WFO 9 in his 2012 Year Review Slideshow on Pinkbike. Nice!

    Life Lesson? If you're way too slow to be pro, wear bright colors to get in pics. Lol.

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    Who says WFOs are overkill for trail riding?!!

    Who says WFO9s are overkill for normal trails?? I built this up over Christmas and have been enjoying it on all the semi-technical trails around my area. Longest ride so far was 25 miles with lots of short steep climbs and this thing just eats them up. 28lbs as is.
    Some of the build highlights: Fox 34 Float, RS Monarch RT3, 2x10 XO carbon cranks, Stans Arch w/Hope Evo hubs & (tubeless), XTR trail brakes, and so on. This thing replaced a Trek Rumblefish and I have no regrets. Climbs better than the Trek could ever hope to.
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    It was love at first sight.... she had alloy nipples after all!

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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/91694861@N00/8430421932/" title="DropInWFO by hukee, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8430421932_2e26e57e1a_b.jpg" width="1024" height="698" alt="DropInWFO"></a>
    Practice Loop - Slickrock - Late 2011 ©MichaelDarter


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    From the Colorado Freeride Festival Enduro. All pics by Vast Action. (vastaction.com)

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    Stage 1 - Chainless DH - Search and Seizure ©VastAction

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    Stage1 - Chainless DH - Boulevard ©VastAction

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    Stage 3 - Rain Maker ©VastAction

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    Stage 4 - No Quarter ©VastAction

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    Stage 4 - Boot Camp ©VastAction


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    2012 large WFO. 33+ pounds.

    X9 drivetrain
    2012 Fox 34 Talas (replaced Reba)
    Blacklite post w/Kind Shock remote (less obtrusive)
    Stan's Flows with Stan's hubs
    Blackspire Stinger 2X chain guide
    Formula RX brakes w/185 rotors

    I plan to do a couple enduro races on it, and I'm taking it to Peru in a few months.
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    Forgive the ever-so-slightly off-topic post... reply to earlier request for photos of the pumptrack and bonus photo of the Pumpjet.

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    That is awesome.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    Forgive the ever-so-slightly off-topic post... reply to earlier request for photos of the pumptrack and bonus photo of the Pumpjet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    This was a great race, if you have the chance it's well worth it. WFO was a bit much for the pedally stages but was great in the DH and jump line stages.

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    Very cool pics JMH!

    Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "bit much on the pedally stages"?

    I'm still debating on whether to buy the WFO or Yeti SB66. I already have a jet9 RDO and absolutely love it for XC racing and medium/light trail riding. However I want something that's more capable on technical downhill /rocky terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racinghk View Post
    Very cool pics JMH!

    Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "bit much on the pedally stages"?

    I'm still debating on whether to buy the WFO or Yeti SB66. I already have a jet9 RDO and absolutely love it for XC racing and medium/light trail riding. However I want something that's more capable on technical downhill /rocky terrain.
    The first two stages used sections of the Trestle DH trail, the WFO was confidence-inspiring and fast. The next two stages were more "park" oriented with jump trails and flatter pedaling portions. The guys on lighter bikes with less suspension were probably a bit quicker there, although the WFO was a heck of a lot of fun. The WFO is also a great Whistler bike where the Jet would be a bit terrifying (I have one of those too and I like it but it would simply be outmatched for lift-assisted riding at most parks). The WFO is going to be similar to the Yeti SB95 (another awesome bike) and in my opinion both will be faster for you than the SB66.

    My WFO is a Medium where I normally ride a Large Niner for a more efficient XC fit. I think if my WFO were a large it would be more comfortable for long rides but perhaps not as fun on the jump trails? Hard to say. One of my riding buddies uses his WFO as his "do it all" bike when he doesn't ride his Tallboy. He claims the WFO pedals better than his Tallboy, but that he obviously notices the extra pounds when he's climbing.

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    EKT shredding at the Photo Spot, Thunder Thunder Thunder Mountain
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    Waterfall at Little Creek
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    The first two stages used sections of the Trestle DH trail, the WFO was confidence-inspiring and fast. The next two stages were more "park" oriented with jump trails and flatter pedaling portions. The guys on lighter bikes with less suspension were probably a bit quicker there, although the WFO was a heck of a lot of fun. The WFO is also a great Whistler bike where the Jet would be a bit terrifying (I have one of those too and I like it but it would simply be outmatched for lift-assisted riding at most parks). The WFO is going to be similar to the Yeti SB95 (another awesome bike) and in my opinion both will be faster for you than the SB66.

    My WFO is a Medium where I normally ride a Large Niner for a more efficient XC fit. I think if my WFO were a large it would be more comfortable for long rides but perhaps not as fun on the jump trails? Hard to say. One of my riding buddies uses his WFO as his "do it all" bike when he doesn't ride his Tallboy. He claims the WFO pedals better than his Tallboy, but that he obviously notices the extra pounds when he's climbing.

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    How tall are you?
    I'm 6'0", I currently ride a Giant AnthemX29er, size large.
    I'm running a 70mm stem and uncut RaceFace Atlus bars.
    I've heard that the Rip and WFO run a bit larger in size than say my AX29.
    So the med may be the correct size for me.? Keep in mind I like the short stem/wide bars feel and handeling.
    Thanks for any feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy V View Post
    How tall are you?
    I'm 6'0", I currently ride a Giant AnthemX29er, size large.
    I'm running a 70mm stem and uncut RaceFace Atlus bars.
    I've heard that the Rip and WFO run a bit larger in size than say my AX29.
    So the med may be the correct size for me.? Keep in mind I like the short stem/wide bars feel and handeling.
    Thanks for any feedback.
    i'm 6'3" on a Med WFO, 50mm stem, 780mm bars.. it rides like an AM 26er on steroids..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalSpine View Post
    i'm 6'3" on a Med WFO, 50mm stem, 780mm bars.. it rides like an AM 26er on steroids..
    Thank you, this is good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy V View Post
    How tall are you?
    I'm 6'0", I currently ride a Giant AnthemX29er, size large.
    I'm running a 70mm stem and uncut RaceFace Atlus bars.
    I've heard that the Rip and WFO run a bit larger in size than say my AX29.
    So the med may be the correct size for me.? Keep in mind I like the short stem/wide bars feel and handeling.
    Thanks for any feedback.
    6' tall, long inseam. WFO is a Medium with 50mm stem and 780mm Raceface SIXC DH bars. My "XC" fit is typically a Large frame with a 60mm or 70mm stem.
    I have a 6'4" friend on a Large WFO with a 70mm stem and 780mm bars. 6'3" on a Medium sounds extremely unusual, but personal preference trumps all.

    You are right on the line between M and L. Check out the REACH and STACK of the two frames compared to your Anthem X, that's where you are going to get the best idea of how the two brands translate. Top tube lengths can get you close, but simply changing fork height or any number of tiny things can change reach significantly.

    If you're keeping the Giant and building up the WFO as another bike, then I say get the Medium for sure and turn it into a shuttle/lift bike like mine. If you plan to use it for everything, then M vs L is obviously a much bigger concern.

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    [QUOTE=JMH;10188886]6' tall, long inseam. WFO is a Medium with 50mm stem and 780mm Raceface SIXC DH bars. My "XC" fit is typically a Large frame with a 60mm or 70mm stem.
    I have a 6'4" friend on a Large WFO with a 70mm stem and 780mm bars. 6'3" on a Medium sounds extremely unusual, but personal preference trumps all.

    You are right on the line between M and L. Check out the REACH and STACK of the two frames compared to your Anthem X, that's where you are going to get the best idea of how the two brands translate. Top tube lengths can get you close, but simply changing fork height or any number of tiny things can change reach significantly.

    If you're keeping the Giant and building up the WFO as another bike, then I say get the Medium for sure and turn it into a shuttle/lift bike like mine. If you plan to use it for everything, then M vs L is obviously a much bigger concern.

    JMH[/QUOTE
    Thank you.
    I will try to get up close and personal with a lg or a med to see for myself.
    But in Oklahoma a WFO will be hard to get close to. Do you know how similar the Rip and WFO are?

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    [/QUOTE Do you know how similar the Rip and WFO are?[/QUOTE]

    If you get a chance to ride a RIP 9, the fit is pretty much identical. You can compare the few Geo differences on the niner site!

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    With a 140 fork, the WFO has a steeper seat angle. The cockpit will be a little shorter. This is one of the reasons I switched over to a WFO. FYI, I am 6'1", 34" inseam, and ride a large with 50-70mm stems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    [/QUOTE Do you know how similar the Rip and WFO are?
    If you get a chance to ride a RIP 9, the fit is pretty much identical. You can compare the few Geo differences on the niner site![/QUOTE]

    I made a few mods to my WFO over winter.
    I shortened the fork to ~100mm and ran road tyres. That thing FLEW. I even took it riding with road clubs and could easily keep up. It felt like a fast XC bike. Today I MTB'd it up, dorado back at full length.
    The whole geometry of the bike changed from feeling like an XC to a full on downhill machine. Weird thing though, it still peddled like an xc bike.

    This frame is brilliant, the build is what pins it to it riding style!

    Even managed to impress some teenage boys with a huck. Any rider who doesn't get a little smile when that happens is lying.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    this was my first day on my WFO 9 last summer. i've since put a double barrel on it but she rides amazing.

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    Version 3.0

    So I got sick of riding a 40+lb WFO and decided to lighten her up. Replaced the Dorado and Elka with a CCDB air tuned for her and a 2012 fox 34
    Talas with new 2014 Fox Float 150mm internals, along with a cartridge for a clyde. Put in XX1 drivetrain and I had to machine a new axle for the
    150mm Hope hub. Hadley hasn't made an xx1 conversion yet so I had to make this build work by using my backup wheel, an old Hope pro2 150mm.
    We just made the axle thicker, from 15mm to 17mm on the cassette side like the new Hope evo hub and added a Hope xx1 freehub which was already
    out. Had to machine out the xx1 quick release to 12mm to fit the maxle and get a bigger diameter spacer for the bearing as well. I never did get to
    take a pic of it, just threw it in the wheel because I had to know if it worked. Also the axle is made form 4041 steel and weights 150g alone.

    Went form 41lbs to 34lbs and thats with the heavier wheel and very heavy wtb Dissents with tubes. When the Minnion dhf's come out I'll be setting
    them up tubless and by swapping out the wheels when Hadley gets the conversion done. With that maybe get to save another pound or 2. Also put
    on some xtr trail brakes which are amazing! The rock plate from coyote is great and got to use it a lot so far.

    3 rides on her so far and it is the most impressive version so far for me. The suspension is super plush and the xx1 is just as quiet and responsive as I
    could have ever expected. Super fun to ride and much easier to throw around after the weight loss.

    -Nolan
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    were are all WFO 9s?

    That Hadley driver is the last thing my buddy is waiting on for his Chilcotin build, and they've been telling him "another week or two" since the end of February. He probably would have just bought another wheelset by now if they'd given him a realistic estimate at any point.
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    evasive: they have been telling me the same thing and I call them every week. I get this week, next week and in 2 weeks every time I call. Just tell me that your not going to have them done and give me a realistic date. Oh well. For me to build a new wheel in 150mm would be too expensive with a I9 or DT when I already have a Hope and Hadley built up, so to machine a new axle and buy the free hub was a much cheaper option and now I'll eventually have a backup.

    I'd like to say that the CCDB air may be the best rear shock I've ever used. The ability to absorb high speed hits is unreal. I used cane creeks base tune from the lounge and it seems dead on!

    -Nolan

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    Niner sent me a new shock for my WFO,

    One of these

    Monarch Plus RC3 | SRAM

    As I already have a shock I really like for this bike, is anyone interested?

    It is a HUGE upgrade from the RP23, not worth it if you have a manitou ISX6.

    Very similar to the ISX6, but the ISX matches better with a Dorado (same damper). This would probably match a fox/RS fork better.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    wfo

    Had mine for a couple of months and im loving it so far, waiting for new rs pike to come out but shouldnt be too long now.
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    Makes for a nice pit bike around Laguna Seca ;-)

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    My WFO

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    My first build, finished a couple weeks ago. Love it so far, but need to do some serious work to the shock or find a new one, as I can't seem to make it feel good over fast rough sections.

    140mm RS revelation dual air
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    wolftooth components chainring, no guide
    Zee derailleur, saint shifter
    740 mm flat bar
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    Deity compound pedals
    Currently using hans dampf front, panaracer rampage rear

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    WFO + Dorado

    quick question to those with a Manitou Dorado on their WFO9's..

    i am looking to replace my Fox 34 Float with a 2013 Dorado.. it is to my understanding from the Manitou website that the 2013 Dorado released a 29er specific fork..? or just adjust the travel from 203mm to 175mm to fit a 29" wheel?

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    The Dorado is available in a 29er version already adjusted to 175 mm travel. I purchased a new one last year and it is a great fork.

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    thanks.. but would the 2013 Dorado 26er version fit just fine? just adjust the travel?

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    When I was checking it out it seemed like the 26er version went from 200 mm to 180 mm. I was buying new so I got the 29er version which was advertised as 175 mm. I don't know what the difference is. Perhaps a quick call to Manitou would clear it up.

    I just got back from a 17 mile loop ride this morning with my WFO/Dorado which was 3,000 vertical up and 3,000 vertical down. The combination of bike and fork is great, especially in the chunk.

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    Broken WFO

    I just snapped the rear triangle of my gen1 WFO and this was only fourth summer for this frame.

    Riding I normally do is not so extreme and my riding weight is around 200lbs. Only few park days per summer and the rest is just normal trail riding with lots of rocks and roots we have here in Finland.

    I will probably try to get it welded even though it might not last so long after that. I have already asked the price for the replacement rear triangle but it will probably be so high that it would be better to buy a new frame instead (might not be a Niner due to short warranty periods for the alu frames). I really considered that this frame would last a bit longer...


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    Hi Mme,

    I would not worry too much, Niner has very good customer service.

    As for the replacement parts cost, it might not be as much as you expect.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    Hi Mme,

    I would not worry too much, Niner has very good customer service.

    As for the replacement parts cost, it might not be as much as you expect.
    Hopefully I'll be positively surprised. I just need to wait for the response. Maybe I now have time to rebuild the Marzocchi fork that is leaking both air and oil (I just put new seals before starting this season).

    In a meantime I'll ride my old 26er Inbred with even older Fox Vanilla. That combo is always working like a dream

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    I got the price for the new rear triangle and I was not positively surprised at all. 499€ (~660$) without shipping :madman

    I'll try get it welded but I do not believe it will last long. This was probably my first and last Niner...

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    Hey WFO owners,
    I visited my first bike park the other weekend, and I'd like to do some more, but I'm not keen on spending €€ on renting a (****ty) bike every time I want to ride there.
    Since I just bought a 29er ht this summer as my first bike, I'd rather not spend a large sum again to buy a complete new full suspension so I was looking around for 29er full suspension frames that are fit for riding downhill and bike parks. The WFO seems to be the only 29er full suspension I found that matches those requirements, what are your experiences with it?
    Since I'm only a beginner I don't think I need the most burly bike out there? What are the limits of a bike like the WFO?
    I've got a Shimano Zee derailleur and brakes, Chromag OSX bars, Flow rims on my current ht, so I think they are fit for transferring to a park bike, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Hey WFO owners,
    I visited my first bike park the other weekend, and I'd like to do some more, but I'm not keen on spending €€ on renting a (****ty) bike every time I want to ride there.
    Since I just bought a 29er ht this summer as my first bike, I'd rather not spend a large sum again to buy a complete new full suspension so I was looking around for 29er full suspension frames that are fit for riding downhill and bike parks. The WFO seems to be the only 29er full suspension I found that matches those requirements, what are your experiences with it?
    Since I'm only a beginner I don't think I need the most burly bike out there? What are the limits of a bike like the WFO?
    I've got a Shimano Zee derailleur and brakes, Chromag OSX bars, Flow rims on my current ht, so I think they are fit for transferring to a park bike, no?
    Wfo is a good bike for what you want, It comes dow to how much money you want to spend.

    If you can spend the money for a New 160mm Pike fork I would get the new WFO.

    But if the cost of that is a bit steep for you then I would go for the X Fusion Trace 140mm & try & pike up the 2012 WFO with a little less travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Hey WFO owners,
    I visited my first bike park the other weekend, and I'd like to do some more, but I'm not keen on spending €€ on renting a (****ty) bike every time I want to ride there.
    Since I just bought a 29er ht this summer as my first bike, I'd rather not spend a large sum again to buy a complete new full suspension so I was looking around for 29er full suspension frames that are fit for riding downhill and bike parks. The WFO seems to be the only 29er full suspension I found that matches those requirements, what are your experiences with it?
    Since I'm only a beginner I don't think I need the most burly bike out there? What are the limits of a bike like the WFO?
    I've got a Shimano Zee derailleur and brakes, Chromag OSX bars, Flow rims on my current ht, so I think they are fit for transferring to a park bike, no?
    There are more frames that will do it than just the WFO. There's the Lenz Lunchbox, Lenz PB&J, Specialized Enduro 29er, BMC Trailfox, Nicolai, Trek Remedy 29er and a few others with decent travel.

    Out of those, the Specialized and BMC have similar geometry with normal-sized chainstays, low-ish BBs, and my Enduro 29er rips at the ski-resort. I don't feel like I'm flighting the bike on the way down at all. It also rides great as an all-around bike. I wanted a bike that handles great, not like a truck. I notice this mostly at high-speeds and in high-speed turns/features. Turning a bike at slow speed is easy, but once you get momentum and acceleration forks working against you, that's where there's a difference IMO.

    The old WFO was an obtuse confused thing, heavy, with 140mm of travel and the ultra-long chainstays, it wasn't exactly sure what it was doing, but the new WFO seems to be at least a little more targeted, if not still a little long (IMO 29ers are already more stable, they don't need to be more more stable by being excessively long).

    The Lenz PB&J is probably the "most" DH bike out of all of these, with 7" of travel. It's a monster though. I love jumping my Enduro.

    If you are looking to do this on the cheap, I'd look for a used Lenz Lunchbox (I know of a small being sold, but she probably wants to sell the entire thing and not just the frame). The lunchbox is a good compromise of necessary features.
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    Thanks for the feedback.
    I run a Rockshox Revelation RCT3 Dual Air 140 atm on my Honzo, I'd like to reuse it but am not sure if 140 is enough travel in a bike park.
    I also would like the bike to be still usable for short xc stuff, we don't really have mountains in my area so climbs are always very short, but bike park-ability is priority n°1.

    I'll take a look at the other frames that were mentioned, I prefer not to buy Specialized or Trek (no real reason, I prefer supporting smaller brands and I don't like their color schemes).

    I'm 6'5" so a small isn't gonna cut it for me plus I live in Europe

    Not looking to troll, but one of my biggest concerns is if 29 rims are up to the task? Haven't seen any so far in our bike park (which is very small, about 40 riders on a busy day so not much comparison).

    edit: I just found out I'm gonna be dad of twins, so this will probably be a long-term project

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    Yeah I think the WFO is still the best contender. You can't run the new frame with a 140mm fork I guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post

    I'll take a look at the other frames that were mentioned, I prefer not to buy Specialized or Trek (no real reason, I prefer supporting smaller brands and I don't like their color schemes).
    I don't see any other 29ers at our ski resort. There are plenty of 29ers that I wouldn't mind doing a descent on out on trails, but I'd only ride my Enduro or that BMC at the ski resort downhill, due to their geometry. After riding it, it's obvious that it's intended to do that kind of stuff.
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    I checked the Specialized but it seems you can get only the carbon frame as frame-only, which is way to expensive, for that price I can buy a complete TR250.
    The BMC looked okay, also pricey though, and the reviews didn't seem to be as positive as for the WFO.
    You'd only ride your enduro or a bmc in the park, but do you also own a WFO or are you a lurker here just like me?

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    "The old WFO was an obtuse confused thing, heavy, with 140mm of travel and the ultra-long chainstays, it wasn't exactly sure what it was doing"

    What a load of "£$"£&"%

    My WFO was more than just OK when downhilling in the alps, it was amazing.
    It was exceptionally nimble and fast. The chainstays are a nice length, and 140 is not that different from 150! I can see why that guy loves his enduro, but the WFO is a stunning bike.

    If you are swapping yourself to a do everything bike, the WFO is great and I've only got one of those 1st gen ones (the one's that weigh only about 1lb more than the RIP9).

    The fork will probably hold you back if you are a big guy like me.
    There is no real point going for a strong frame with a weaker fork.

    With a pike (or an old modified dorado) up front, you will find yourself taking DHers quite easily.

    The Rev might be up for it, but i'm not sure. I have one sitting behind me, but not tried it on my bike yet.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    I'm not a big guy, I may be 1.96 (6'5") but I only weigh 90kg (200lbs). But won't the geometry be influenced in a bad way with a shorter fork? Steeper head tube angle?
    What rims do you have (had) on your WFO?
    Indeed, one do everything bike (I still have a Dialled Holeshot for some dj and pump stuff) would be awesome.

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    dfuse - We rode our last gen WFO test bike on some pretty heavy lines and it just killed. It actually went down (at speed) almost every line at Whistler for that matter and was a blast. I finally broke the headset on a hard landing on Crabapple but whatever, those are big ass jumps. I also raced it at the Winter Park enduro with great results. The frame and all it's dangly bits held up fine.

    » Review: Niner Bikes WFO 9 29er - Sick Lines ? mountain bike reviews, news, videos | Your comprehensive downhill and freeride mountain bike resource

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    I take my WFO to Highlands 2 times a month and have had no problems there. I don't hit the bigger stuff because my riding ability isn't there yet but I do hit the rest of it and the WFO handles it quite well. That being said I think the new WFO will be much more fun at a DH park than the previous version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    dfuse - We rode our last gen WFO test bike on some pretty heavy lines and it just killed. It actually went down (at speed) almost every line at Whistler for that matter and was a blast. I finally broke the headset on a hard landing on Crabapple but whatever, those are big ass jumps. I also raced it at the Winter Park enduro with great results. The frame and all it's dangly bits held up fine.

    » Review: Niner Bikes WFO 9 29er - Sick Lines ? mountain bike reviews, news, videos | Your comprehensive downhill and freeride mountain bike resource
    That's the one review (there seem to be only a few) that I keep re-watching and re-reading

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    The fact they have an xl size for my 6'5" is also a big advantage. My back hurt a week after riding the medium rental Solid M9.

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    CCDB Air mounting on WFO

    Was the orientation of the CCDB air the only way it would work on the frame? Did the Air can not fit at the bottom due to the seat tube ? Thanks for the pictures.


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    My WFO9 is so light I can't keep it on the dirt!!





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    I've made a few changes since that pic....new Fox Fork..CCDBair, new wheels, Schwalbe Hans Dampf tires.......great riding rig.



    I've gotta say...the thing climbs like a billy goat....





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    The CCDB coil nor Air will not fit the other way around(right side up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    "The old WFO was an obtuse confused thing, heavy, with 140mm of travel and the ultra-long chainstays, it wasn't exactly sure what it was doing"

    What a load of "£$"£&"%

    My WFO was more than just OK when downhilling in the alps, it was amazing.
    It was exceptionally nimble and fast. The chainstays are a nice length, and 140 is not that different from 150! I can see why that guy loves his enduro, but the WFO is a stunning bike.
    Please tell me why anyone would need 18" chainstays on a 29er. This is like saying we should go to 58° head tube angles.

    29ers are already more stable than 26ers due to the gyroscopic action. Why do they need to be more more stable? Most downhill bikes have around 17.3" stays, the new WFO is at least in that range, but the original was just obtuse and confused. 140 is not terrible, but I wouldn't match it with a 160 fork, then you start to get the ends feeling quite different. I've never believed 29ers rode "like they have more travel", they may roll over stuff easier IF you can hold on, much as if you had more travel, but that doesn't=control that more suspension gives you and it's more of a "if you can possibly hold on" type thing. The WFO at least got out there and had more travel for a couple years until a few others got on the scene, but it was a trickle-seller due in part to it's wacky geometry.
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