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    jrss13 - thanks mate, I try!

    BigwheelsRbest - yep, it's the UK. In the lake district, near staveley. The first is on the left hand side of the kentmere valley and the other 2 are on the green quarter on the right hand side - both as you look up the valley. Give us a shout if you're in the area...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanDobski View Post
    BigwheelsRbest - yep, it's the UK. In the lake district, near staveley. The first is on the left hand side of the kentmere valley and the other 2 are on the green quarter on the right hand side - both as you look up the valley. Give us a shout if you're in the area...
    Thanks mate - I wish I was in the area - that's a beautiful part of the world.

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    Still going hard on this frame nearly 3 years in and no thoughs of changing it anytime soon.

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    Ozzybmx; I have the exact frame with a Niner carbon fork and carbon rims, etc. Very close setup and I love it too.
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    EnlOOow; the beer components adapters (they make a pf30 and bb30 type) work with any frame, but not all frames can work with them. Niner RDO frames specifically won't work according to Niner since there is only enough carbon in the BB area to support true pf30 type cranks and the adapters might cause a breakdown. Also, on a related note, I have the Beer pf30 adapter and it works on an Air9 frame, but not with a 3 speed crank (in case you are wanting to convert back and forth). The inner chainring bolts interfere with the adapter so it is only going to work on a ss or possibly a double setup.
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    Just finished this One 9 build, hope to get out soon!!
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    ^^^ Holy cow! What is it and what does it weigh?

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    It looks like a One9 and I would guess 21.
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    Med one9 , 21 lbs by bathroom scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    It looks like a One9 and I would guess 21.
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    I like the One 9 geometry and they seem to be comfy the longer you ride vs. othe SS's ive ridden. I used to oly rid emy SS for under 2hrs now with my One9 i seem to be riding in the 2-3hr range and not beatenup.
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    I've read a few posts on this, but figured I'd try to ask for more opinions. I'm debating over the One 9 and Air 9 Carbon, which is almost double the cost. Anyone tried both and can share why they chose one or the other? I've owned an EMD with magic gear and never felt beat up, but always thought about a SS-specific Niner frame w/ the Biocentric 2.

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    I own an Air 9 C and an Air9 (the newest versions) and an older version One9. The older One9 is Scandium and has the 4 leaf clover chain stays. It is almost as light as the Air9C. It would be perfect if it had a tapered steer tube in the overall scheme of things.

    The Air9C and One9 are SS and I used light components on the Air9C and average components on the One9 and there is only 1 lb difference (shows how light that old scandium frame was). The Air9 is built up geared with not particularly light components. The latest Air9 is basically the same hydroformed frame as the latest One9 so I am basing my opinion on my Air9C vs my Air9 since my One9 is no longer relevant.


    The Air9 is amazing in every way and probably one of the best rigid aluminum frames made. The main advantage of the Air 9 C is that it is lighter, dampens lots of vibration, and is flexible as far as setup. In my case the price difference ended up being around $750 due to the way I bought them. The Air 9 C is much easier to scratch than my black anno Air9. If you can afford the Air 9 C and appreciate the advantages then I would go for it. If your overall budget is limited and money not spent on the frame would go toward say "carbon wheels" then I would definitely go with the One9 and the carbon wheels.

    I hope this makes sense with all the similar names and trying to use a new Air9 for comparison to a new One9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post

    I hope this makes sense with all the similar names and trying to use a new Air9 for comparison to a new One9.
    Thx! This definitely is helpful and makes plenty sense. Flexibility is really a non-issue for me since it would be solely for SS. When you mention the A9C scratches easier, it reminds me of one my biggest hesitations with not just carbon, but a relatively expensive frame in general. I'm not the most careful of riders, so it would be easier for me to swallow dinging/scratching up a lower cost One 9 than a $1600+ (depending on pricing i can find) frame. You also confirmed the weight difference is relatively minimal with the Niner aluminum frames compared to the A9C. My experience and belief is that the vibration can be minimized with high volume (2.4") tires and carbon goodies like handlebar, seatpost, etc., so the difference in that respect may also be minimal. That leaves one other area I'm curious about is the stiffness factor. Are the aluminum frames as stiff as the carbon? Will I get the same little to no flex feel while SS mashing and torquing down on those pedals. In other words, is the "power transfer" also minimal between the two frame materials? Sorry, if I'm probably getting really picky here.

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    The weight difference in the newer non-scandium frames is probably around 1.5 lbs whereas the older scandium frame was almost as light as the Air9C (for round numbers let's say 4, 4.5, and 5.5 lbs as an example). The power transfer differences are small. I can't really notice them since both bikes have suspension forks. If I ran them both full rigid I might be able to notice? The main difference of the old Scandium frame is compared to the newer models with much more massive head tube areas and tapered steer tube forks is in steering precision. I would say that all my Niners have had excellent power transfer except my older (1st and 2nd generation) Sir's and I think that is one reason the newer Sirs have the wider rear triangle to address that issue on steel frames. Hope all this helps.
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    I agree the vibration issue is minimal. I recommend getting a Cannondale Save seatpost (you will have to shim it for either frame) it is the number one thing you can do for comfort on any MTB.
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    Good point about the older scandium frames being lighter than the newer AL frames. That makes the weight difference a little greater, but I'm not really a weight weenie either. Sub 20lbs would be the goal which I think is easily attainable with the AL frames. My EMD in SS with Niner Carbon fork was 20.2 lbs without really trying. Thanks for the tip on the Cannondale seatpost. I initially was thinking Niner carbon seatpost, or a Thomson masterpiece, but I'll consider that as well.

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    The Niner seat post would be my second choice. Cannondale patented the squished carbon idea and it really works. Niner shapes the inside of their tube to have some flex in the right direction, but they can't get as much. Thompson posts ride hard but they are excellent quality and great customer service. They are my first choice on my full suspension Jet.
    The reason they switched from scandium is that it is brittle and they can't get the shapes they can from hydroforming the current alloys. It would be very hard to get the head tube stiffness of the current bikes with scandium without adding a lot of the same weight and since scandium is an expensive rare element a whole lot of cost. Also, scandium frames tend to have a relatively high incidence of stress cracking over time since it is so stiff and brittle. Those scandium Niners were about as good as it got back in the day of straight steer tubes, but as the breed improves, they are no longer the cutting edge.
    You should have no problems with your weight goals. I have a 2nd gen Sir9 with Niner carbon fork SS and not particularly light parts that is 21.72 with everything but me on it. My Air9 C SS with a Sid fork and light parts weighs 20.92. If I put the carbon fork on that frame it would be down in the 18's with all those light parts. Since the One9 frame is not 2 pounds heavier you should land under 20. My Air9 is built up with not particularly light parts as a more of on road off road bike, although I still ride it on the trails sometimes, (it even has a bell) and a mid level RockShox fork 27 speed pf30 to BSA adapter, etc., Flow wheels 800 gram wide tires and it still only weighs 26.57.
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    Kona Big Unit

    Wanting to try the single speed 29er experience, I put a search on eBay for a Kona Unit. A Big Unit turned up last week, so put a small bid in to make it easy to find and follow.

    Much to my surprise no one else bid and here she is. Super condition, really enjoyed my first rides on this lightweight flyer.



    Fits me, 5' 10" and 18" frame, perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    Wanting to try the single speed 29er experience, I put a search on eBay for a Kona Unit. A Big Unit turned up last week, so put a small bid in to make it easy to find and follow.

    Much to my surprise no one else bid and here she is. Super condition, really enjoyed my first rides on this lightweight flyer.

    Fits me, 5' 10" and 18" frame, perfectly.

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    My apologies. Thought niner was short for 29 er. Put it down to my advanced age, 62 and not giving up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    My apologies. Thought niner was short for 29 er. Put it down to my advanced age, 62 and not giving up.

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    Here's my '11 One 9. I absolutely love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrock_z71 View Post
    Here's my '11 One 9. I absolutely love it!
    This is an absolute beauty. Love everything about it.
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    redrock - you make me wish I had got green instead of silver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    redrock - you make me wish I had got green instead of silver!
    Silver?! I thought they were red or white at the mo. Are you referring to the Moondust Gray from a couple years back? That's a cool color - just got the RDO fork in that color for my Lynskey Ti SS frame. It's gonna look sick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    Silver?! I thought they were red or white at the mo. Are you referring to the Moondust Gray from a couple years back? That's a cool color - just got the RDO fork in that color for my Lynskey Ti SS frame. It's gonna look sick...
    I was talking about the last gen Scandium frames. Mine is actually raw.

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    I just noticed the crazy wheels on that thing. Check out the spokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redrock_z71 View Post

    Here's my '11 One 9. I absolutely love it!
    Definitely a nice build you got there but it's too clean! Haha.

    I was watching a similar used twisted spoke wheelset with King SS hubs on ebay a few weeks ago. Those don't happen to be them by chance?

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    I have one of those Scandium frames with the "cloverleaf" chainstays and it is still among my favorite all time frames. Also, I have to wonder how you put those twisted spokes into "spokecalc" when building a wheel?
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    I have surmised from talking to Niner that they got away from scandium because even thou the scandium frames were lighter, the newer hydroformed frames (scandium is too stiff and brittle to hydroform) have many other advantages the foremost of which is that because scandium is stiff and brittle it can stress crack over time and the new designs can last more or less forever. I have had 8 Niner frames and the only one that is better and not be a lot is my One9 Carbon and the weight difference of the frames is not much either, just under a pound. These frames were the apex of a now old technology since barely anyone makes scandium frames anymore. And to design such a perfect frame by just bending and butting tubes and welding them together is amazing-good job Niner! Sorry for the rant, but believe me, these frames were something special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Definitely a nice build you got there but it's too clean! Haha.

    I was watching a similar used twisted spoke wheelset with King SS hubs on ebay a few weeks ago. Those don't happen to be them by chance?
    I pretty much wipe it down after every ride to keep it clean. lol It looks too nice to leave it nasty.

    Yes these are them! Scored a very awesome deal on them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    Also, I have to wonder how you put those twisted spokes into "spokecalc" when building a wheel?

    These wheels were built by Arizona Bicycle Experts in Tucson, AZ. I'm not sure how they factored in the twists but they perform great and look fantastic! You may be able to contact them to find out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrock_z71 View Post
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    Here's my '11 One 9. I absolutely love it!
    Beautiful build. Crazy wheels too!

    I had me one of these last season (same color) and boy was it fun to ride. Couldn't justify having two SS Niners so I held on to my SIR 9 cause I'm old and slow.

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    Any chance of Niner ditching the EBB and going with sliders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Any chance of Niner ditching the EBB and going with sliders?
    I hope not.

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    Not a chance. The ebb is a better solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    Not a chance. The ebb is a better solution.
    +1

    Briefly owned a Vassago Jabber with sliders and it was a royal pain.

    I've had 2 Niners with the 1st Gen EBB and never had an issue using the Pipe Joint Compound application -- I've been running creak & slip free for over 2 years.

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    If like me you want to take your chain off occasionally to clean or lube it you can do so without adjusting anything. Just drop the wheel to the bottom of the dropouts, reflip the QR, back pedal the chain off the rings, unhook the quick link and you are good to go. When you reverse this process, the chain will be perfectly adjusted and you didn't even have to take the wheel all the way off. Also, one of my bikes is set up as a dingle speed and again I can change the gearing without even completely removing the back wheel. Just drop it down in the dropouts, backpedal the chain to the correct rings, let the frame slide back down to the axle, tighten the clamp and go.
    Both of my bikes are set up such that the difference of 1 tooth on the rear sprocket works out to the BB being at 5 o'clock or 7 o'clock so I don't even have to adjust my seat when I change to the next sprocket. Just loosen the one bolt (the newer version has 2 bolts) stick the allen wrench in the drive side hole and use the crank arm to spin the ebb, tighten up and go.
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    Want some new wheels and have an Uno ring to go on but almost done.

    Maiden ride tomorrow (just as the weather takes a turn for the worst boo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    Want some new wheels and have an Uno ring to go on but almost done.

    Maiden ride tomorrow (just as the weather takes a turn for the worst boo)
    Very nice indeed. Like those Ergon grips. Any thoughts on trying it rigid at some stage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    Very nice indeed. Like those Ergon grips. Any thoughts on trying it rigid at some stage?
    Cheers

    I did ride my 26er SS rigid for a while when in its full weight weenie build (15.7 lbs ) but I like doing 40 -60 mile rides and it takes it's toll on my wrists which are not bad by any stretch of the imagination but at 34 I am mindful of keeping myself (and especially my joints) in good shape.

    I love the look of the Niner rigid forks and I may get some for fun.

    The ergon grips are a first for me, they feel pretty good but still tweaking the angle of them, these are again to help my wrists on long rides. I am loving my current set up as after decades of riding I have finally found just the right saddle and layout which is comfortable even after 60 miles or 150+ miles in a few days.

    My first ride was marred by horrible wind (weather not personnel) so am going out in a bit now the sun is out. She rode silently with one creak turning out to be my packet of Jelly Babies and a click being my jacket zip (she was that quiet ), The shorter chain stays tucked the wheel in for climbing and the frame was very rigid slogging up the hills with no disk rubbing.

    I am a tiny bit disappointed with the finish of the head badge / CF interface as it is a bit scrappy and also the person who put the helicopter tape on the down tube had dirty fingers so I have trapped black marks in the tape, minor things but not on a £1750 frame it isn't as it should be perfect!

    The other niggle is the brake cable routing it sits to the side not under the top tube so on a SS where you slog side to side my knee kept rubbing the front cable clip causing a little scratch, I have rounded the sharp edges of the clip off so although it will still catch it should not be so sharp. Also the front cable clip is a bit far back from the head tube so the cable flaps about a little.

    Still a fantastic frame and something you buy for love rather than common sense/practicality

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    The secret to Ergon grips it to tilt them way more than you would think is correct. Somewhere around 30 degrees.
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    roybatty666: Oh, and by the way, I am 58 and in addition to having almost the exact set up you have on an Air9C I have a Sir9 with the Niner Carbon fork and once I got the Ergon setup figured out, I have ridden it 45 miles several times (that works out to 5 laps at the place I ride) with only minor complaint from my arms and wrists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    The secret to Ergon grips it to tilt them way more than you would think is correct. Somewhere around 30 degrees.
    Cheers I will try them lower, I have tilted them down maybe 5-8 degrees but I have gotten blisters on the insides of both my thumbs and on my palms at the bottom of my little fingers after 70 miles of riding in the last 24 hours

    Had a great ride today, I have really worked on my fitness recently and with the A9C I am really flying and hitting limits of traction in the corners (rather than my fitness) during my rides, and had my first off in years today as the back slid out and I held the drift almost rescuing it but ended on my butt with a big curved 29er tyre sized friction burn on one leg and a big old graze the length of the other after sliding for 6-7 meters, Importantly the bike was fine

    I have knocked 2.5 minutes off my 15 mile "short" ride loop from changing to this frame with my old times on my Scandal being very consistent (within a few seconds) maybe it was the excitement of getting an A9C but that was a big amount of time to drop in a relatively short distance. The odd thing was it didn't feel fast, the time I beat was me going hell for leather on my Scandal and I earned every second I shaved off my time, on the AC9 it was a fun ride and I wasn't even trying.

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    Tilting down; high at the rear by 30 degrees and they will be the best grips ever. Any other angles they are just like any other grips more or less.
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    Out in the wild and looking fast even when stationary

    138 miles in 48 hours even did 14.2mph average over 50 miles today, smashed all of my PBs at various distances as well

    Now to lose 1.5lbs off my wheels

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    my niner air 9


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