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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpus View Post
    Want! Anyone have advice on sizing? This wi be my first road-ish bike.

    I'm 5'10, 31" inseam.
    I'm the same height with slightly longer legs and went with the 56cm. Niner recommends the 56 for folks 5'8" to 6'. Fortunately, or unfortunately, the next size down is a 53cm which seems too small for our height unless you have a very short reach.

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    Trumpus, 53cm sounds ideal for you. But I would go to your LBS to properly size.
    I am 6'1" with 34" inseam, I will be running a 56cm.

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    LBS called and the RLT is in! I got the 105 version--can't wait to pick it up tomorrow!

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    The frame is in but I am still waiting on a few things to come in before it can be put together.

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    Bah, I'm jealous! Mine was supposed to be at the shop on the 15th, but hasn't come in yet. Hoping to get it before a mid march gravel ride.

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    Just picked up the 2-star; 53cm RLT9 today! I think it's awesome--but it's pouring here and didn't feel like riding today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Just picked up the 2-star; 53cm RLT9 today! I think it's awesome--but it's pouring here and didn't feel like riding today.

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    Looks awesome! Want one so bad!

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    The bike looks beautiful. How are the wheels? The 2 star build looked like pretty good quality, but I wondered if they cut corners on the wheels a bit to get to that fairly attractive price point. Looking forward to ride reports.

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    Unfortunately, I am relatively new and can't tell the nuances of different wheel qualities. Any specific thing I should be looking for when on/off a ride?

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    We built this RLT up last week.

    Really happy with how it came together! The full cable routing is nice and with Shimano PTFE cables there is no perceivable drag. The tire clearance is MASSIVE.

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    As you ride more you will see that wheels are one of the things that greatly influence the performance of a bike. Some roll better, some feel more solid, some are more durable. I would be most interested to hear how these wheels compare to the Stan's that are on the 4 star build. You shouldn't worry about that and just go out and ride that sweet bike! Are you taking it on gravel or are you in a place where the weather let's you get on some trails? Enjoy! It is beautiful!

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    Picked mine up and was able to ride yesterday. Mostly on the road due to rain, but hit a few neighborhood park paths. Awesome ride, and very comfortable. The Sammy Slicks aren't bad, but I'll probably get some beefier tires once I set up my Crest wheelset on it (tubeless, obviously).

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    Dang!!!! 18 week delivery date for the 62cm from Jenson (for the mint). 18 weeks!!!! That removes this season from the equation...

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    Bruce, was that for the complete or just the frameset. Looking to pickup just the frameset..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelgunz View Post
    Bruce, was that for the complete or just the frameset. Looking to pickup just the frameset..
    Both say "Usually ships in 17-18 weeks"...

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    So you waited until one of the most talked about bikes of the year was shipping to start the order process? I bet they are sold out until late 2016! They look awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    So you waited until one of the most talked about bikes of the year was shipping to start the order process? I bet they are sold out until late 2016! They look awesome!
    Eh, we've all been burned by that. It's why ordered mine in September.

    Speaking of which here she is in her final form. Now only if the rain would let up and I could shake this cold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    So you waited until one of the most talked about bikes of the year was shipping to start the order process? I bet they are sold out until late 2016! They look awesome!
    No, I was just commenting. The size HUGE is available in the full build of the grey frame, but I'm not eyeing that one. I don't know if they have even produced the mint in size HUGE yet. It was scheduled to be coming later in an earlier report I read about it, and now I know when that "later" is....18 weeks from now.

    There are other "talked about" bikes for gravel grinding I'm looking at as well. We size HUGE's have very little to pick from these days.

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    Got 2 star build size 53 today (21.0 lbs w/o pedals)! I've been looking at this bike since it was announced. As soon as I took it for a test ride, I knew it was to be mine. BB5's got to go. I am thinking TRP HY/RD.

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    Niner RLT9-image.jpgThe build on my 47cm is coming along. Two snags so far. The BB was very, very difficult to press in. Not sure if anyone else has had that issue. 2nd one that really stumps me is that there is a sticker right in the frame that says it uses a 31.8 front derailleur. Well it does not fit, but a 34.9 does.

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    I put the first 30 miles on last Sunday. It's the first time I've ridden a 'skinny' tire bike since the early 1990's. It took a bit of time to adjust to drop bars and steering, but after a few miles, I felt very comfortable in the saddle. Although my mountain/fat bikes will still be my go-to bikes, the RLT will be nice to have this during the Spring & Fall months when the trails are unridable. I plan on some gravel treks very soon.
    I bought a two star complete, and the only change I made was to move from a 90mm to 110 stem.

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    Got my HUGE (62cm) 2 star build up and running last week. Still haven't wrapped the bars as I'm playing with hood/bar positioning. First road/CX/gravel bike ever so its gonna take some getting used to. Build came in right under 24 lbs. I sometimes just like to sit in my garage and stare at it.
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    ^ Lookin good. Are you planning to keep that amount if spacers on steerer tube below the stem? How tall are you? I would likely get that size as well. Thanks
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    Yes, I'm 6'4" with a gut so a lot of handlebar drop gets uncomfortable. Thats a full steerer. In that pic I hand't adjusted the seat height yet, bars are about an inch below my seat now.

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    Test rode 2-star builds of the 53 and 56 today. The 56 was much more comfortable than the 53, I am 5'9 with a 30" inseam. My initial thought - I really like the bike, but Niner should be embarrassed speccing this with BB5s. Also, the downshift lever on the 105s had some seriously sharp edges...felt odd.

    The Campy cantilever brakes on my mid 90's Bianchi road bike (which I rode to the shop) had better stopping power. BB7s aren't a huge leap in cost but are way better brakes (I've got them on both my Sir9 singlespeed as well as my Comotion Americano).

    I've got the local shop building up the 4* 56 they had in stock and will try that out this week. I don't have the time right now to build a complete bike up myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Test rode 2-star builds of the 53 and 56 today. The 56 was much more comfortable than the 53, I am 5'9 with a 30" inseam. My initial thought - I really like the bike, but Niner should be embarrassed speccing this with BB5s. Also, the downshift lever on the 105s had some seriously sharp edges...felt odd.

    The Campy cantilever brakes on my mid 90's Bianchi road bike (which I rode to the shop) had better stopping power. BB7s aren't a huge leap in cost but are way better brakes (I've got them on both my Sir9 singlespeed as well as my Comotion Americano).

    I've got the local shop building up the 4* 56 they had in stock and will try that out this week. I don't have the time right now to build a complete bike up myself.
    Not sure they should be "embarrassed". It's a $2k build with lots of other great parts.

    How do you know the BB5s were even set up properly? Pads bedded? A test ride on a new bike is hardly adequate to declare something a complete failure.

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    So I'm considering ordering an RLT. It would be my first road-style bike. If plan to use it for gravel rides, some around town stuff, and road rides and on a trainer.

    As a complete newb, I was planning on ordering the 2 star build but was thinking of some upgrades (brakes, carbon post and bars). Does this make sense or would I be better off spending a few hundred more and stepping up to the 4 star?

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    Ok, embarrassed was probably a little strong. But it is the weakest component on the 2* build, at least for me.

    As for the setup of the BB5s, the shop does good work, but I also (having had some before) adjusted them a bit. Yes, there is a break in period that helps, but BB5s compared to BB7s are night and day (and performing worse than my campy cantilevers... )

    That said, assuming no surprises on my taxes, I will be getting picking one of these bikes up.

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    I am very used to my XT hydros, and BB7s on my mountain bikes...they both stop great. And you are spot on, the BB5s are terrible. I'll deal with them for now... But I will likely swap these out at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    I am very used to my XT hydros, and BB7s on my mountain bikes...they both stop great. And you are spot on, the BB5s are terrible. I'll deal with them for now... But I will likely swap these out at some point.
    This is interesting, huh? I have two bikes that came factory spec with BB7's and both have msrp less than this bike. Oh well...never used BB5, are they that bad?
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    They just don't seem to grip the way the BB7's do. You've got to pull harder to stop and modulation is meh at best. They aren't terrible, just not that great.

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    I bet they are rather embarrassed about this, they should probably just stop selling the bikes altogether. The BB5 road and BB5 MTN are different brakes, mine work great!

    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Ok, embarrassed was probably a little strong. But it is the weakest component on the 2* build, at least for me.

    As for the setup of the BB5s, the shop does good work, but I also (having had some before) adjusted them a bit. Yes, there is a break in period that helps, but BB5s compared to BB7s are night and day (and performing worse than my campy cantilevers... )

    That said, assuming no surprises on my taxes, I will be getting picking one of these bikes up.
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    The good news is BB7's are a dime a dozen (and cheap) on the used market. I will be keeping my eye out for a decent set of 'mtns.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    The good news is BB7's are a dime a dozen (and cheap) on the used market. I will be keeping my eye out for a decent set of 'mtns.'
    Brings up a good point - so I guess there's no major issue using the mtb version on a road bike?

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    Nope. Talked with the tech at my LBS about this very topic yesterday. He runs BB7 mtns on his X-bike and said the RLT would be nicely suited for them.

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    Got my 2 star build last week. I installed TRP HY/RD on Friday. Awesome brakes,easy to set-up!The TRP's did require new brake cables as the BB5 cables were too short.

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    BB7 Mtns are designed for V-brake levers - using them with standard road levers means you'll have to set your pads closer (because of less cable pull) and they'll feel spongier (higher leverage). Yes, they'll work, but they'd work better with a V-brake drop bar lever. If you're running single speed or barcons, the Tektro RL 520 would do the job, or there's also the option of Retroshift CXVs.

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    I've got a question about the RLT geometry (stack height specifically). I'm looking at the size 53 and it is showing a stack height of 574. I've been riding a Cannondale CAADX size 51, which has similar geometry numbers as the RLT size 53 (145 HT length and 71 degree HT angle), but the stack height for the CAADX is listed as 541, which seems much lower. Not sure why the big difference. The RLT fork actually has a shorter A2C of 400 vs. 410 for the CAADX. The BB drops are close, 70 for the RLT vs. 67 for the CAADX. What am I missing? It's not a big deal, but I'm considering a test ride and was trying to get a sense of how it would compare to the CAADX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    I bet they are rather embarrassed about this, they should probably just stop selling the bikes altogether. The BB5 road and BB5 MTN are different brakes, mine work great!
    As I mentioned, "embarrassed" was too strong, I was jet lagged at the time. Probably best to not post then. That said, even adjusted the BB5s were no comparison to worn in campy cantilever or BB7s which I had ridden the same day. Thankfully, here in Santa Cruz I could take it on a short loop that had some hills, shitty roads, and other fun near by the shop.

    I will be testing out a 4* build tomorrow, and if it works out, will be buying the bike. If not, I will put it on my list of "get frame, build up, have fun"...which requires time I don't have right now.

    I've got mountain covered, I have touring (and road, with concessions) covered...gravel, not so much.

    I live in a place where if I want to do long rides either a good touring bike (CoMotion Americano in my case) or more of a cross/gravel bike really is useful for the condition of the mountain roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgold73 View Post
    I've got a question about the RLT geometry (stack height specifically). I'm looking at the size 53 and it is showing a stack height of 574. I've been riding a Cannondale CAADX size 51, which has similar geometry numbers as the RLT size 53 (145 HT length and 71 degree HT angle), but the stack height for the CAADX is listed as 541, which seems much lower. Not sure why the big difference. The RLT fork actually has a shorter A2C of 400 vs. 410 for the CAADX. The BB drops are close, 70 for the RLT vs. 67 for the CAADX. What am I missing? It's not a big deal, but I'm considering a test ride and was trying to get a sense of how it would compare to the CAADX.
    What are the two head tube lengths?

    Bikes designed more for touring riding often have taller head tubes to make the riding position more upright.

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    Plenty of Mtn BB7s running non-VBrake configurations. Not sure where you get the "designed for vibrates" I have the mtn version on both my touring bike and singlespeed build Sir9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgold73 View Post
    I've got a question about the RLT geometry (stack height specifically). I'm looking at the size 53 and it is showing a stack height of 574. I've been riding a Cannondale CAADX size 51, which has similar geometry numbers as the RLT size 53 (145 HT length and 71 degree HT angle), but the stack height for the CAADX is listed as 541, which seems much lower. Not sure why the big difference. The RLT fork actually has a shorter A2C of 400 vs. 410 for the CAADX. The BB drops are close, 70 for the RLT vs. 67 for the CAADX. What am I missing? It's not a big deal, but I'm considering a test ride and was trying to get a sense of how it would compare to the CAADX.
    I can't speak to stack height. I am 5'9 and thought a 53cm would fit me. I tried both a 53 and 56cm 2* build and the 56 was much more comfortable (short inseam 30")/less compact.

    If you get the chance to test multiple sizes, do so. I'm double checking a 56cm 4* build before pulling the trigger this week. I'm not concerned about size, but verifying components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Plenty of Mtn BB7s running non-VBrake configurations.
    Like I said, it will work.

    Not sure where you get the "designed for vibrates" I have the mtn version on both my touring bike and singlespeed build Sir9.
    <a href="http://cdn.sram.com/cdn/farfuture/6M91kGZmvluDNkXpl7PtOW0JiuYDnhsO0PvppSU-9R8/mtime:1372788152/sites/default/files/techdocs/95-5015-008-000.pdf">RTFM?</a>

    "<em>Only levers designated for side-pull brakes, such as Avid's Speed Dial and FR5 levers, can be used with mountain Ball Bearing Disc Brake....Failure to do so will reduce the performance of the system</em>"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    What are the two head tube lengths?

    Bikes designed more for touring riding often have taller head tubes to make the riding position more upright.

    The head tube lengths are actually the same, 145mm. The head tube angles are also the same, 71 degrees. This is why I'm confused. Seems like the stack numbers should be close, however there is a big difference. I'm wondering if either the Niner or the Cannondale stack value is simply wrong, Niner and Cannondale measure differently, or I'm missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgold73 View Post
    The head tube lengths are actually the same, 145mm. The head tube angles are also the same, 71 degrees. This is why I'm confused. Seems like the stack numbers should be close, however there is a big difference. I'm wondering if either the Niner or the Cannondale stack value is simply wrong, Niner and Cannondale measure differently, or I'm missing something.
    I'm dealing with similar decisions. Not sure about the HT angle on the CAADX, though. Web has it from 70.5 to 72.5 for sizes 48 to 58. RLT9 has it 70 - 72 for 47 - 59. But Stevens has it as 70-71.5 for 52 -58 (base model). So for gravel riding, and for size 58, the CAADX should theoretically be more responsive, but harsher. Yeah, I know that there are ton of other variables in this; rake, tires, etc. The tire width may be most telling, since I'm not sure the CAADX will be able to take anything near the size of RLT9's. Why the analysis? Big price point difference between these bikes at the 105 level.

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    4* RLT and I sure was annoying this week...

    People read the manual? I had a good week of being annoying, clearly. Also, I wasn't making the connection between vbrake being linear pull.

    Anyway, picked up my RLT this week, 56cm Fresh Mint, 4*. Took it on a short spin on the local trails. Rides well and I will spend some time dialing it in.

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    Mine is now all done, but skiing has been too god to pick it up from the shop and go on a ride. Good skiing will be gone soon enough, though and then I can post a ride report. Here is a photo of my twin brother's 2-star build and my parts build. Both are 47cm frames.

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    Well, I found a deal on eBay for a new TRP HY/RD so I thought I would give it a try. I fitted it to the rear (after a remarkably easy install) and I have got to say it is light years better than the BB5s. Butter smooth, quiet, great modulation and stopping power. I would have never thought a cable actuated hydro brake would work this nice. I now have an order coming to replace the front. bmajik, thanks for the recommendation!

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    Bar end shifters, nice addition. Red cable housings look good as well. Despite the butter smooth SRAM Force shifters, I still find myself reaching for the bar ends out of habit (my CoMotion has them).

    Enjoy the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Bar end shifters, nice addition. Red cable housings look good as well. Despite the butter smooth SRAM Force shifters, I still find myself reaching for the bar ends out of habit (my CoMotion has them).

    Enjoy the ride.
    It has been a long time since I rode bar end shifters, but I wanted the simplicity of those with the ability to get hydro brakes, TRP Hylex, in the future.

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    Anyone have issues getting the headset tightened properly on the RLT? There is just a tiny bit of play that I can't get sorted and I already have the top cap at 6 Nm. This is for the 4 star build kit.

    Another question - what is this bit that came in the parts baggie? Spacer for 10 sp?

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    Any updates on ride quality from those who have theirs? This bike is still high on my want list and I'm interested in how it rides on the road as well as gravel?

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    Niner RLT9

    Mine rides like butter...I have 43c rubber at 45 psi so I guess it should.

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    Forgive my ignorance but is the gearing ok for a road newbie? I don't want a true road bike. I like discs, want the versatility and love the way the RLT looks. Wondering, though if I'll be able to keep up with friends during a group ride.

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    That really depends on you and your friends. I have friends that crush it on ss road bikes. I don't know how they do it. If you put 23 or 25c road tires on a bike like the rlt then there is really no reason you couldn't keep up with most roadies. Even with a fun (40c) tire you should be fine.
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    Stock 4 * build.

    Had some creaking in the bottom bracket after about 120 mi. Had it in the shop yesterday and will check for recurrence.

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    If you want decent granny, stock may not work.

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    I've been riding my 2* build for about a month now, roughly 50 miles on dirt road and single track and about 150 on the road. I can maintain a 20 mph speed easily on the flats but I had never intended to use this bike for faster than that. The ride was harsh until I lowered tire pressure to 45/50 psi. Now its acceptable, I may switch to fatter tires.

    I do not like the bb5s and just last night installed a new Spyre on the front. It left only a little over a mm space between the caliper actuation arm and the spokes, at least it doesn't hit. The "feel" is much more solid than the bb5, it will take some time to bed in the pads so I'm not sure on ultimate power yet compared to hydros which I am used to. I hope the rear clears as well and will install it tonight.

    I'm liking the bike a lot and can't wait for more rides on it.
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    Follow up - after the shop looked at it, they thought they fixed the creaking, but it was still clicking/creaking on a short ride w/o much in the way of hills.

    It's back at the shop and they are scoping out the issue further.

    With taxes and a work trip next week, I've got time and will toodle around on the single speed instead.

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    I'm curious if anyone else is having creaking issues w/ the PF30 bottom bracket.

    I haven't gotten into the guts of the PF30, but for my local niner shop, the frame + kit (ala Santa Cruz bikes) is new to them, and from what I've seen some what new to niner. So, the shop has a bit of learning maybe.

    I've got two other niner's in addition to the RLT - a 2012 Jet 9 RDO, and an older Sir 9. So, I like the brand. I had persistent squeaking on my Sir9 that the new EBB (2 bold design) took care of. I'm just wondering if the RLT BB is something new or if the persistent creaks/squeaks are a lark.

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    I'm pretty sure it's just you. They use that bb on petty much everything they make. And I don't hear all my customers saying that it doesn't work. If suspect it's a setup issue.
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    As I said, it seems like it is new to the shop. They are exploring, but I was curious.

    My other niner rigs came from other paths, mostly self built up.

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    Turns out it was a faulty crank. Clicking between the crank arm and spindle. Happy it sounds like it will be fixed soon.

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    another ride done and I just need to get a post with some setback to tweak the position. My oldest likes the bike, but is about 6" too tall.Niner RLT9-rlt.jpg

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    How have the wheels been on the 2 build? I am strongly considering the purchase and overall like the build of the 2 for the price but wondering if the wheels are decent.

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    I'm the New Zealand Niner Distributor so I'm probably a bit biased, but for what it's worth I think that those Niner branded wheels in the 2 Star Kit look really nice. We just got a couple of complete bikes in and I was very pleasantly surprised at the weight, even spoke tension and bearing quality in the hubs. I haven't ridden them but they look pretty damn good. Before we got the 2 Star Kits we built up a couple of RLT's with custom wheels, Stan's Iron Cross rims on Shimano CX75 hubs and to be quite honest personally I'd be equally happy with the Niner wheels. One thing I did notice is that the free hub body has 11 speed printed on it, which assuming that it means what it says, is a nice bonus in terms of drivetrain upgrade options.

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    Everything on the 2-Star is solid, except the aforementioned BB5 brakes. Outside of them and a bit longer stem (I wanted a bit more length), that was the only changes I have made to mine.

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    Anyone try/or think these will fit on the RLT? I know it will depend on the rim as well, I would mount them to ZTR Crest rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offrhodes42 View Post
    Anyone try/or think these will fit on the RLT? I know it will depend on the rim as well, I would mount them to ZTR Crest rims.

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    Hope those fit. Wouldn't mind using them on my Crest wheels as a singletrack tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lycra View Post
    Anyone have issues getting the headset tightened properly on the RLT? There is just a tiny bit of play that I can't get sorted and I already have the top cap at 6 Nm. This is for the 4 star build kit.

    Another question - what is this bit that came in the parts baggie? Spacer for 10 sp?

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    I also have a problem with the head set. It appears that the spacers are a tad big for the stem so they move around and offset. That is what caused mine to loosen. I realigned them, tightened it down, and damn if it didn't happen again. Going to the shop on Monday (they want to take it for a spin. They can't get one in so they want to try it out) so they are going to look at it.

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    I have 200 miles of everything on this bike. Single track, gravel, road, and rain soaked gravel. I love this bike, maybe not the BB7s, but everything else. I have random riders gawk at it at the trail head and on the road. Which makes you know you got the cool bike.

    Now for the little problems that popped up. The headset spacers move around, the front deraileir is a little finicky, the front wheel (Stan's Ironcross) are tricky to remove and put back on, and the full length housing is a little loose and hits the frame. Each in its self is minor, but all together it's annoying. So Monday I'll get new spacers, put something between the housing and get the front D straightened out. As far as the wheel I don't know, I might have to file off the lawyer tabs or get a longer quick release, I'll get some other options at the shop.

    Anyone else have anything?

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    I am at a little over 275 miles on mine now, mixed between street commuting, road miles getting to dirt and roughly 50 miles on dirt. I've only had two or three minor issues on my 2* bike:

    The front bb5 brake did not bed in well and resulted in a grumbling noise when applied. I did not like the bb5s anyway and have since installed Spyres, which are working out nicely. There is about 1-2 mm clearance between the front Spyre caliper and the spokes, kind of close.

    My front wheel is also difficult to remove and install. I've measured the distance between dropout faces on the fork is about 99 mm, not the proper 100 mm. On top of this there are depression seats formed on the inside faces of the dropouts which act like the lawyer tabs on the outside faces, so you need to apply a slight spreading force to the fork to remove the wheel. Maybe this feature is intentional? Not a big deal but a little annoying. You'd have to file both the inside and outside of the tabs to address this.

    Oh, and reading the serial number off the frame is next to impossible to get accurate confidently due to the thick paint obscuring some of the digits.

    Other than those minor issues I think the components are well chosen and work well, the wheels are good quality and light, and I am enjoying the bike for a variety of uses, which is what I bought it for.

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    A couple questions for both 2 & 4* builds. Can you put road tires with tubes on these rims? And, can the hubs be converted to use DT Swiss through axels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    A couple questions for both 2 & 4* builds. Can you put road tires with tubes on these rims? And, can the hubs be converted to use DT Swiss through axels?
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    Either can be run with tubes. Road tires shouldn't be a problem either, though I'm not sure how they'd behave with less than 28mm.

    Unsure of any tubeless behavior on the 2 star. I'm using tubes with removeable valve cores and will add some sealant to that as soon as I remember to pick some up.

    Road tubeless might be an issue on the 4 star, based on Stan's site ("If you wish to use both Cyclocross and Road Tubeless tires, we recommend the Alpha Disc wheelsets").

    Unsure on your DT Swiss question, sorry.

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    I'd probably build up another set for road, with H Plus Son Archetype rims and CK hubs. I'd still like to know if I could run DT throughs.

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    Check it out. A little expensive for an Al frame!
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    Quote Originally Posted by offrhodes42 View Post
    Anyone try/or think these will fit on the RLT? I know it will depend on the rim as well, I would mount them to ZTR Crest rims.

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    Can't actually answer your question, as I don't have my RLT yet, but I have experience running this tire (in 45c width) on my current cross bike and it is a really solid tire. Heavy, as it is pretty meaty, but Having that much volume and aggressive tread make it almost like riding a mtb - let out the brakes and bomb!

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    Argh, the release of the new updates for RLT seem too soon. I just got my 2-star build in early March! The new 2-star build now comes with the full 105 11speed version. And the black/red paint job is nice! ARGH

    Curious, though. As I'm relatively new getting into cycling in general, is this a common occurrence where upgrades, etc. are released within months of official launches? I've been assuming it's an annual thing, not a cycle that occurs within months. It's reminiscent of the cell phone market in Asia where a new model HAS to be released every few months. Almost like planned obsolescence.

    http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs148/1101892244311/archive/1117193163370.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Check it out. A little expensive for an Al frame!
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    The top of the line Trek Boone has a similar build spec but is a carbon frame and is priced at $6,299. I think this seems expensive but the delta seems appropriate between a top end aluminum frame and a carbon frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Argh, the release of the new updates for RLT seem too soon. I just got my 2-star build in early March! The new 2-star build now comes with the full 105 11speed version. And the black/red paint job is nice! ARGH

    Curious, though. As I'm relatively new getting into cycling in general, is this a common occurrence where upgrades, etc. are released within months of official launches? I've been assuming it's an annual thing, not a cycle that occurs within months. It's reminiscent of the cell phone market in Asia where a new model HAS to be released every few months. Almost like planned obsolescence.

    http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs148/1101892244311/archive/1117193163370.html
    A lot of companies bring stuff out as soon as they can. That's the beauty of a smaller more flexible company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keifla123 View Post
    The top of the line Trek Boone has a similar build spec but is a carbon frame and is priced at $6,299. I think this seems expensive but the delta seems appropriate between a top end aluminum frame and a carbon frame.
    It does have a lot of great parts on it. I'll bet it's a couple pounds lighter then the 4* build.

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    We definitely aren't planning obsolescence. There are a few things at work here:

    1. Component release calendars are not on the same schedule as frame release schedules. In this specific case, the 105 11 speed didn't release until well after we had the frame ready. We don't do model years, but you will often see manufacturers who do release 2014 1/2 models for this reason.

    2. Color option decisions vary from company to company. As a small manufacturer, if we keep a smaller color range when a bike is new, we can focus on getting bikes out to riders sooner. A simplistic way to explain this is: if we make 100 bikes in 1 color, chances are 1 in 5 (size XS thru XL) that we will have exactly what you want when you call to order. If we make 100 bikes in 2 colors, chances are 1 in 10 we will have what you want when you order (5 sizes x 2 colors), if we make 100 bikes in 3 colors, it is 1 in 15, etc. Obviously, we try to predict the number of frames we need in each size and we use our experience to order the right ratio of color options, but it isn't a perfect science. Once the product is well established, it is easier to fit a few extra colors into the mix.

    3. Finally, we also listen to our riders. We do take rider requests for specific colors, spec options and even entire products into account when we sit down in our product planning meetings. Sometime that means we decide to release a now color.

    I'm stoked you've got an RLT 9 - that bike, much like the ROS 9, was a bike that all of the staff of Niner wanted to make for themselves. The Mint paint was actually inspired by a bike shoe that, as a very poor bike shop mechanic 18 years ago, I couldn't afford but really, really wanted. They were oh so cool, and oh so French. :-) It's fun to be able to make a bike in those colors now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    A lot of companies bring stuff out as soon as they can. That's the beauty of a smaller more flexible company.
    Yeah, but I guess as an early adopter, I can't help but feel shafted since the official release date was February and I got mine first week of March. The two-star model gets somewhat of an upgrade with full 105 drivetrain in a couple of months. I understand that my purchase timing fell between the cracks--that's all.

    I mean, I like this bike a lot--but just kind of diminished because of the fast cycle of changes. But I guess I just need to check my privilege as I still have a good bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Yeah, but I guess as an early adopter, I can't help but feel shafted since the official release date was February and I got mine first week of March. The two-star model gets somewhat of an upgrade with full 105 drivetrain in a couple of months. I understand that my purchase timing fell between the cracks--that's all.

    I mean, I like this bike a lot--but just kind of diminished because of the fast cycle of changes. But I guess I just need to check my privilege as I still have a good bike.
    You know the first computer I ever bought was $2500. Every time I buy a new one I think about that first one that I spent a lot of money on. I look at it this way. I'm just glad that every time I buy a new one, I can get it cheaper and more powerful then the previous one. Same with bikes, new stuff comes out and they just keep getting better and better. And, you can upgrade as parts break or wear out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    You know the first computer I ever bought was $2500. Every time I buy a new one I think about that first one that I spent a lot of money on. I look at it this way. I'm just glad that every time I buy a new one, I can get it cheaper and more powerful then the previous one. Same with bikes, new stuff comes out and they just keep getting better and better. And, you can upgrade as parts break or wear out.
    Well, coming from the IT world, I know what you mean. There's always something newer and better no matter when your purchase point started.

    What kind of shocked me--and which is why I posed the question was that I didn't really expect that model to apply to the cycling world (But then again, I just jumped in to this late last year--so no experience yet). I assumed, like cars, that they usually have about a year between changes to product lines. (but what do I know, I'm in IT, not manufacturing/marketing)

    As I mentioned earlier, I understand that my timing of purchase was just not advantageous for me.

    And using the term "planned obsolescence" was a bit harsh as I know there's no ulterior motive to Niner's product release cycle--they just want to get it out quicker and they can since being nimble with decisions/releases is an advantage of smaller firms. That term really applies to iPhones/mobile devices since parts aren't replaceable--and with bicycles, they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Yeah, but I guess as an early adopter, I can't help but feel shafted since the official release date was February and I got mine first week of March. The two-star model gets somewhat of an upgrade with full 105 drivetrain in a couple of months. I understand that my purchase timing fell between the cracks--that's all.

    I mean, I like this bike a lot--but just kind of diminished because of the fast cycle of changes. But I guess I just need to check my privilege as I still have a good bike.
    Honestly I'm glad I got mine when I did before they went to 11spd. I have replacements for 10spd parts, not so much for 11, and I imagine I'd need a new 11 spd driver for my hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Argh, the release of the new updates for RLT seem too soon. I just got my 2-star build in early March! The new 2-star build now comes with the full 105 11speed version. And the black/red paint job is nice! ARGH

    http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs148/1101892244311/archive/1117193163370.html
    My Industry Grey frameset that I ordered just showed up at my LBS and when I asked if I could get it swapped for the black they told me it would cost a 25% restock fee + shipping

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    I haven't purchased mine yet, but I certainly feel for those if you who did and now wish you had waited. This seemed incredibly fast to come out with changes and additional options. I understand several months later, but in this case there are still people waiting to take delivery if what they ordered months ago.
    This is the type of thing that usually causes me to stay a step behind on new releases, wether it be cars, electronics, bikes etc.
    The reward for early adopters is to be the "first on the block". That typically comes with an increased price, functionality issues, and fewer choices.
    All that said, I really like this bike, and I still think I would buy the industry grey. The build change seems like a positive move.
    I agree with others who have pointed out the price if just frame and fork. Feels pricey for mass produced aluminum.
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    This is actually the way I would expect things to go well into the future. This is about manufacturing calendars and the ability for more and more industries to stock less and less and the product companies to rapidly bring out new product to meet demand.

    Why not pass along a better product as it comes available? Sure it pisses off a few people, but that just means there never really is a good time to launch unless you take the product off the market for a period of time. Is it too soon? No. There is great interest in this bike which means Niner is smart of invest in making it better and more widely available in both volume and choices.

    This may not be the option you want to hear, but sell your frame/bike you got and I bet you can sell it for MORE than you paid. The demand and wait for this bike is enough that someone will probably pay a premium. Then you can get in line for the one you want. Do it now though before that option vanishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neb001 View Post
    My Industry Grey frameset that I ordered just showed up at my LBS and when I asked if I could get it swapped for the black they told me it would cost a 25% restock fee + shipping
    I'd call Niner and ask them. If you paid shipping both ways, I would think they would swap frames for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neb001 View Post
    My Industry Grey frameset that I ordered just showed up at my LBS and when I asked if I could get it swapped for the black they told me it would cost a 25% restock fee + shipping
    I'd be willing to bet that is the shop charging the restock and shipping. The shop probably doesn't want a grey frameset sitting on the floor.
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    If the 25% restock fee isn't standard procedure with Niner, then I'd bet Niner would be a little upset with the shop. Because, in my mind that means the shop is trying to rip you. That's why I said to call Niner and find out what the deal is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that is the shop charging the restock and shipping. The shop probably doesn't want a grey frameset sitting on the floor.
    Yeah, the shop already had a mint green in 53 (which I didn't like the color of) and had ordered the grey for me, so they'd have to send it back to Niner. I didn't ask if Niner was charging the restock or how it broke down. While I may have been willing to deal with a restock fee if I really wanted the black frame (which I don't want nearly that badly), the availability of the frame was also quite limited

    Either way, since it'd be some time before the LBS could get one of the black frames, I just went with what I already had. It's going to be built up with a Di2 Hydro build and HED c2+ rim/White Industry T11 hub wheelset. Only question remaining is what tire to go with

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    I just got a rear rack fitted to my 2 star RLT build. Went with the Topeak Super Tourist DX rack. I chose the disc break rack so that I could also use it on another bike I have. It turned out to be a PITA for the RLT though as the alumunum blocks that hold the screws for the bottom connection point were too large to fit on the mount point. I had to file them down. I also had to cut up and bend the metal strips that are used for the top connection point. It worked though with some modification. I think the non-disc rack would have worked better.
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    In my 7 years as a mechanic I have installed thousands of racks (lots of commuters). I have never installed a task that didn't need modification. From bending the stays to fit the dropouts or bending and cutting the metal braces. It's just normal rack stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    This may not be the option you want to hear, but sell your frame/bike you got and I bet you can sell it for MORE than you paid. The demand and wait for this bike is enough that someone will probably pay a premium. Then you can get in line for the one you want. Do it now though before that option vanishes.
    Doesnt appear that this is An option...there are two on Ebay right now, brand new, both less than retail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_tires_are_fun View Post
    Doesnt appear that this is An option...there are two on Ebay right now, brand new, both less than retail.
    I saw 1 on ebay for exactly what retail is and in a 47cm.
    I just bought a 53cm yesterday and from the looking around that I did it seems that the 56cm is what no one has in stock so if it is that size you may be able to get some loot for it

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