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    If it came in Green I would be selling mine right now!

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    No

    I'm sorry, but no,no, NO !
    Call me a old retro grouch, but bent down tubes have no place on a steel frame, IMHO
    And why Maxle in the rear and not Syntace X-12 ? It's lighter, better looking and more versatile then Maxle.
    Was that 1 € per frame royalty fee that Syntace asks really that much for Niner to consider ?

    I waited a long time (even repaired my current steel frame which cracked to hold on knowing that new steel Niner is coming), but now it's not going to happen.
    I'm sure it's a great bike, though.

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    i love it, wish it were available 2 months ago

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    Looks great! I wish for sliders!

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    Dissapointed

    Too little, too late. It needed a geometry update (slacker HA and longer fork compatibility). I agree with all other opinions listed above also. They are missing out on a huge bike market by not making it more aggressive like so many people have been asking for. Niner says they listen to customer input but I think they are listening to the customers that are asking for what Niner wants to do. Another year and another bike from another manufacturer for me!

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    Call me a old retro grouch, but bent down tubes have no place on a steel frame, IMHO
    Would you rather the fork hit the down tube then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
    Call me a old retro grouch, but bent down tubes have no place on a steel frame, IMHO

    I'm sure it's a great bike, though.
    I am getting the impression you're a...how do you say?....hmmmmm....oh I know! "Old retro grouch". I don't know why it took me so long to think of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Would you rather the fork hit the down tube then?
    Let's see...

    Salsa El Mariachi, Cotic Simple/Solaris, Gas Ventinove Stambek, Soulcraft The Tradesman (just to name a few XC ones and not going to mention bunch of AM steel hardtails)
    They all have 44 headtube paired with straight downtube and no problems with front stiffness or fork clearence.
    I wander how they managed to do that ?

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    I wander how they managed to do that ?
    retro grouch power i guess?
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    Just put my order in for Arctic white.

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    I love it, nay sayers are always out there and have the biggest mouths, if they don't like it then go somewhere else. The bike looks great and I love the bent tubes. All the details like Maxle are fine with me.

    I wonder if the MCR is dead now or getting upgraded as well? Suspect its dead. Not whining, just asking.

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    So that means I gotta buy a new wheelset just to get this frame? Dangit I'm gonna ride my Canfield N9 for now. Maybe I am better off getting the 2011 SIR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FASTK View Post
    I love it, nay sayers are always out there and have the biggest mouths, if they don't like it then go somewhere else.
    Exactly. If you don't like it, move along. People just love burning calories being negative butt-holes for some reason. It is what forums are made for.

    Oh, and I think it is pretty sweet. They added some great improvements. I was hoping that they would release a Bio-Centric 2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnachos View Post
    So that means I gotta buy a new wheelset just to get this frame? Dangit I'm gonna ride my Canfield N9 for now. Maybe I am better off getting the 2011 SIR.
    Was planning on setting up a 1x9 SIR in October for the UK winter. In the same boat as you, another wheelset (got 2 already), bugger that I'll buy someone else's Steel 29er...

    Then again, if Niner make a replacement Jet rear triangle thats 145x12 & do a VERY nice trade in offer, then I might be interested again. Otherwise, my £££ are going to someone.

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    It seems like the seat tube and head tube angles are mixed up on the niner site. Unless the steering angle is 73.3 and the seat tube is 71.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djw View Post
    It seems like the seat tube and head tube angles are mixed up on the niner site. Unless the steering angle is 73.3 and the seat tube is 71.3.
    Whoops. Will see if we can't get that fixed. Thanks!

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    Soooooo.... how soon until the MCR follows this new build? I may have to change plans of bikes.....
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    yet another good reason to buy hadley hubs, I'm glad i did
    easily and cheaply convert to any standard

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    Don't get me wrong here & I absolutely love what I see.

    I currently own the SIR and love it to bits. Niner must have done their homework and upgraded IMO, the best value frame in their entire range. I'm sure there are some improvements to the ride quality but will I upgrade my current SIR to the new SIR? Look below:-

    You will need to replace the following:-

    Headset
    Fork
    142 Maxle conversion (In the worst case scenario, the hub)

    I'm sure there will be arguments that you can use back the 1-1/8 fork but that'll defeat the purpose of having the new frame. We're no longer looking at just the price of a pricey frame but also the components that will enable one to swap to the new SIR from the old.

    To make things worse (for me personally), I have just bought a new rear hub (The pricey Extralite HyperRear), a new 1-1/8 fork this month (My Niner carbon fork is still being used for 90% of my rides) and my CK headset is barely 2 months old.

    Chris/Carla/Fuzzy - If you're reading this, you could consider my humble request to have a special upgrade program for current owners. Don't forget us cos we were there when Niner was in it's infancy stages. Like the saying goes "Leave no man behind", let alone customers who were there behind you some time back. Put my name in your list of customers who'll buy one if you do decide what I said makes sense.

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    If SIR9's geometry is already determined, why can't you make MCR more AM oriented then? Two bikes with same geo and material don't make sense. Expand your bike range with an AM hardtail frame. (I'll take one free sample for giving you idea, thank you. Size M, colour rootbeer)

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    Will the new S.I.R.9 replace both the models like the old S.I.R.9 and the M.C.R.9 or there'll show a new M.C.R.9 soon?

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    EDIT: I see it now. The SIR9 comes with everything needed to run gears too. Time to confuse the wife with a change of heart on bikes....

    Wait. On Singletrack's site that is linked in the OP, the rear has a derailleur hanger and is geared. I see no mention of this on Niner's site. Is there an option to run gears with this frame like Singletrack has?
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    I have a set of Stans Flow wheels with the SS specifc ZTR hub. Can it be refitted to work with the maxel rear end of the new SIR 9, and if so, what is involved in the conversion? Thanks.

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    It's unfortunate that when standards change, parts will need to be replaced or adapted. We're all riders who have to budget for new toys and make tough decisions the same as everyone. But Niner has never been a backward-looking brand - as long as time continues to move largely forward (), we will update our models with modern features that improve the precision and ride quality of our bikes.

    The Headset, Maxle, Bio-Centric II and parts for a geared drivetrain (cable guides, dropout) will all be included with the frame. You can use the Bio-Centric II with a front derailleur, or you have the option of using any of the CYA inserts we developed for the Air 9 Carbon (the ability to use CYA is new to this version of the SIR 9).

    The headset was specifically selected for use with a tapered steerer tube but if you wish to use a 1-1/8" fork, you can replace the included external lower cup with a Zero Stack (internal) cup/bearing/race.

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    Will the Bio-Centric II inserts fit the older SIR 9s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner Bikes View Post
    It's unfortunate that when standards change, parts will need to be replaced or adapted. We're all riders who have to budget for new toys and make tough decisions the same as everyone. But Niner has never been a backward-looking brand - as long as time continues to move largely forward (), we will update our models with modern features that improve the precision and ride quality of our bikes.

    The Headset, Maxle, Bio-Centric II and parts for a geared drivetrain (cable guides, dropout) will all be included with the frame. You can use the Bio-Centric II with a front derailleur, or you have the option of using any of the CYA inserts we developed for the Air 9 Carbon.

    The headset was specifically selected for use with a tapered steerer tube but if you wish to use a 1-1/8" fork, you can replace the included external lower cup with a Zero Stack (internal) cup/bearing/race.

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    So no more MCR9 in the future? SIR will be 2 bikes in one?

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    I like the idea of a few others of slacking the MCR. Shorten the stays while at it. I cant see the MCR being dropped. They have certainly sold well. Not everyone wants EBB or the ability to run SS.

    Also, Ritchey has a slopped DT and cost the same. Could'nt tell if the gussets were removed on the new SIR.

    The 142 rear is a turn off on a XC, theres just to many 135's out there at this time. A new wheelset and frame for someone swapping parts to a new frame might turn people towards something else.

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    This is a bike forum correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by gfs69 View Post
    Exactly. If you don't like it, move along. People just love burning calories being negative butt-holes for some reason. It is what forums are made for.

    Oh, and I think it is pretty sweet. They added some great improvements. I was hoping that they would release a Bio-Centric 2!
    I am just wondering because I voiced my opinion about a bike and you turned it into a personal attack on me and others. Please try to keep your comments directed toward bike discussion and not people. If you cant do this than maybe you should start a new forum somewhere else where you can insult people.

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    The 142 rear is a turn off on a XC, theres just to many 135's out there at this time. A new wheelset and frame for someone swapping parts to a new frame might turn people towards something else.[/QUOTE]

    Indeed. I just spoke with the tech department at Stans, and they tell me that my SS specific ZTR hub can't be converted to the 142 maxel. So if I want the new SIR 9, I'll need to buy a new wheel or rebuild my existing wheel with a new hub and spokes (and a $42 maxel conversion kit). Using a Hope Pro II or comparable hub, this would add an extra $400 to $500 to the cost of a new SIR 9. While the maxel rear end may be stiffer, not sure its worth the extra cost to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    The 142 rear is a turn off on a XC, theres just to many 135's out there at this time. A new wheelset and frame for someone swapping parts to a new frame might turn people towards something else.
    Indeed. I just spoke with the tech department at Stans, and they tell me that my SS specific ZTR hub can't be converted to the 142 maxel. So if I want the new SIR 9, I'll need to buy a new wheel or rebuild my existing wheel with a new hub and spokes (and a $42 maxel conversion kit). Using a Hope Pro II or comparable hub, this would add an extra $400 to $500 to the cost of a new SIR 9. While the maxel rear end may be stiffer, not sure its worth the extra cost to me.[/QUOTE]

    WORTH the investment. More pics and info posted to the Niner SS thread comparing old S.I.R.9 to new.

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    Should'nt the gentlemen in the first pic. With what looks like a flat bar and -17* stem be wearing lycra instead of knickers and grandpa socks? Is that leg hair I see?

    Kidding, Kidding..someone had to point it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo Troll View Post
    Should'nt the gentlemen in the first pic. With what looks like a flat bar and -17* stem be wearing lycra instead of knickers and grandpa socks? Is that leg hair I see?

    Kidding, Kidding..someone had to point it out
    I found it odd the rider was clean shaven...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnachos View Post
    So that means I gotta buy a new wheelset just to get this frame? Dangit I'm gonna ride my Canfield N9 for now. Maybe I am better off getting the 2011 SIR.
    Not necessarily, what kind of hubs are you running? Many of the hubs out there are "up-standardable".

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    Quote Originally Posted by simen View Post
    If SIR9's geometry is already determined, why can't you make MCR more AM oriented then?
    With the 44mm headset, in theory you could run an angleset (commence angleset bashing now)...and tweak the geo a bit on the SIR. I'm assuming by "AM" you are requesting a slacker HA?

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    However, I'm not sure if this would then be compatible with a tapered steerer tube fork, so this could be a deal breaker for the most aggressive and gnarly SIR riders out there?

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    Agreed. Man I love Niner but these changes through me over for a loop. I don't have $500-$1000 (frame not included) to throw around on upgrades and what not. It's too bad cuz I love the colors they chose this time around. I have to settle for earlier versions. This is definitely an advantage for riders who want to buy a whole 29er bike. I'll suck it up and ask myself later in the year if I want it.

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    I'm glad to see the movement forward on the headtube and maxle. Progress is good. If you don't like it then ride your old crap and shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner Bikes View Post
    But Niner has never been a backward-looking brand - as long as time continues to move largely forward

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    Thanks for taking your time to explain the fact that customers that have rendered their past love & support for the brand & the company is no longer worth any value. I guess it's time I look elsewhere too.

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    Man I'm so upset, Ford told me the 2013 engine and interior won't fit in my 2005. They are such *****. I'm super happy with how that bike looks. And I'll gladly upgrade to get all the new features.pretty sure you can still use a non tapered fork in this frame with the right headset and if your wheels can't upgrade to 142x12 them it was probably time for new ones anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    Man I'm so upset, Ford told me the 2013 engine and interior won't fit in my 2005. They are such *****. I'm super happy with how that bike looks. And I'll gladly upgrade to get all the new features.pretty sure you can still use a non tapered fork in this frame with the right headset and if your wheels can't upgrade to 142x12 them it was probably time for new ones anyways.
    This. Only I wanted the 2012 Accord engine in my 96 Accord with a 6 speed manual out of the 07 Civic Si.

    The cost of moving forward sometimes eliminates the past. Stiffer front... stiffer back... progress.
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    too much me-me-me in this thread. More Bike-Bike-bike please.
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    i notice the sticker on the brake side says "max 185" wouldn't not be "185 ONLY"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by murphyd View Post
    Looks great! I wish for sliders!
    Had me at new sir9, lost me with biocentric.
    Oh well.
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    I know it's been said that they didn't offer the Jet 9 RDO with a 142 as it made such a small difference. But with the TB now coming with a 142 and now niner making the new SIR9 with it, I wonder if the Jet9 RDO is going to be updated...
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    Will there be any plans to offer a build kit with a sinlge speed setup? All the current build kits include gears and what not. Would be nice to get the price break on the factory stufff insted of buying a frame and everything a part at a time or buying a geared build and tossing parts one doesn't want/need.

    Just a thought.
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    Given the fact that many buyers of the new SIR 9 will need wheels and a tapered fork, a full SS build kit might appeal to more buyers than usual. Not exactly the right thread, but does anyone know when the 2013 RockShox forks will be available?

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    The rear hubs are Spinergy Xyclone. The other rear is a Shimano LX.

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    Love the new frame but sure would like to see a new MCR. Any word from Niner???

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeco View Post
    Love the new frame but sure would like to see a new MCR. Any word from Niner???
    Wish they would say, I too am interested more in MCR.

    Anyone know the approximate weight of the new SIR9?

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    Well, I'm having my LBS price one of these up with a single speed build. We'll see what happens. I like the frame, hope the build falls somewhere in my price race.

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