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    Jet RDO New Cable Routing

    23.13lbs as shown, minus another 0.29lbs when I get my new wheels! Finally got the thru axle end caps I needed for the back wheel. Check out the new cable routing! Also notice anything about the brake rotors?

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    Can't open the link. Is this new routing on the 2013 model?

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    Nice looking build and nice low weight! The new cable routing is similar to what I rigged up on my own for my 2012 Jet RDO build, or at least it looks similar because I only had one cable to route.

    Quote Originally Posted by herothedog View Post
    23.13lbs as shown, minus another 0.29lbs when I get my new wheels! Finally got the thru axle end caps I needed for the back wheel. Check out the new cable routing! Also notice anything about the brake rotors?

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    It is the latest Jet RDO just shipping, Niner doesn't use model years though. Here are is a different link: Jet RDO II

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    Wow...that routing is soooo much better. Makes me want the new frame just for that!!

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    The old routing is working out fine for me, but it took some trial and error to get it trouble free. The new approach does simplify installation and maintenance quite a bit. I am however a bit surprised they went full external on the rear triangle section as it seems like that section could have went back into the frame easily. The other models that route in that way go unshielded in that section.

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    I have it externally routed in a very similar way to this

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    As much as I love my Jet9 RDO, and Niner Bikes in general, I have to say it kind of angers me that the first generation frames ever came with the original routing in the first place. Hard to believe they tested extensively. If they did, I can't understand how they ever thought it was good. This new set up looks like a major improvement. Wish I was buying a frame now and not last year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlanB View Post
    As much as I love my Jet9 RDO, and Niner Bikes in general, I have to say it kind of angers me that the first generation frames ever came with the original routing in the first place. Hard to believe they tested extensively. If they did, I can't understand how they ever thought it was good. This new set up looks like a major improvement. Wish I was buying a frame now and not last year...
    I just bought one a month ago (Green 2013?). Took it out for the first time last weekend and just had shifting troubles all ride. I'm kicking myself now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlanB View Post
    As much as I love my Jet9 RDO, and Niner Bikes in general, I have to say it kind of angers me that the first generation frames ever came with the original routing in the first place. Hard to believe they tested extensively. If they did, I can't understand how they ever thought it was good. This new set up looks like a major improvement. Wish I was buying a frame now and not last year...
    I feel the same way. I am a huge Ninerd but wasnt too happy about spending what I did and then having to do the cable externally. When I get home tonight I'll take some pics of how I have it setup so people can give it a try if they want.

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    Just got off the phone with Niner. Check out pages 45/46 of their new manual:

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerDocs/N...RS_UNIVERS.pdf

    There's a new kit being released to run full housing on all existing Jet 9 RDO's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1PHAM View Post
    Just got off the phone with Niner. Check out pages 45/46 of their new manual:

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerDocs/N...RS_UNIVERS.pdf

    There's a new kit being released to run full housing on all existing Jet 9 RDO's.
    I have a headbadge with cable stops. So, if I'm reading this correctly, I still go without housing until the BB and then use full housing through the chainstay instead of the most recent solution which required a 110m housing piece between the BB and swingarm, but then no housing until it exits the swingarm.

    If I'm not mistaken, didn't the 1st gen initial routing use housing from the BB to the rear der as they are now suggesting?

    Confused.

    Is there some new plastic thing ferrule/stop at the BB and chain stay to make this most recent fix work? Any idea when and how to get it from Niner?

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    I'm in the same situation as you -- headbadge with cable stops. I'll either drill it out or get a new headbadge when this kit becomes available.

    I think you're right in your understanding of the encyclopedia -- full housing run from the BB to r.der -- however this looks different from the first gen set up. This has the "housing" shims that should keep the housing in place (thus preventing ghost shifting and sawing of the frame) and also this "plastic tube" which is presumably more flexible than regular shift housing (jamming super stiff housing into that tight space often caused kinks.)

    I'm excited for this and also glad to see that Niner didn't leave the guinea pigs, I mean early customers, hanging.

    Any word on when it will be available?

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    Edit: Upon going back and re-reading it, I get it. You're installing the entire housing starting from the derailleur then out through the head badge - so it does look like you can run full housing and yet still have it internally in the frame. I actually like that.

    I to would like to get this new kit since I am just building up my Jet 9 RDO now.

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    Read it again. Specifically pages 45/46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    I have a headbadge with cable stops. So, if I'm reading this correctly, I still go without housing until the BB and then use full housing through the chainstay instead of the most recent solution which required a 110m housing piece between the BB and swingarm, but then no housing until it exits the swingarm.

    If I'm not mistaken, didn't the 1st gen initial routing use housing from the BB to the rear der as they are now suggesting?

    Confused.

    Is there some new plastic thing ferrule/stop at the BB and chain stay to make this most recent fix work? Any idea when and how to get it from Niner?



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mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> As requested by a percentage of Niner Jet 9 RDO riders, we have developed a full cable routing option for the aluminum headbadge Jet 9 RDO. This option utilizes a simple PVC spacer to maintain the correct housing/cable placement under the bottom bracket, and eliminates issues of housing contamination for riders in challenging conditions.

    Riders with the magnesium headbadge Jet 9 RDO, first generation frames with the stop built into the badge, and all Jet 9 RDO riders who do not want to run full length housing (as listed above) will also see significant benefits from this cable routing update. The PVC spacer maintains proper housing length under the bottom bracket, lengthens housing life and improves the performance of certain drivetrain systems.

    This system is available to all owners of Jet 9 RDO frames for free from Niner Bikes. Email service@ninerbikes.com with the subject line Jet 9 Cable Routing update. Please include your serial number and mailing address in the body of the email and we will get it right out to you. You may also work with your local Niner dealer.

    Installation instructions for this system are available here on pages 45-47. Please call or email us with any questions.

    All future editions of the Jet 9 RDO and Jet 9 Carbon will move to the same cable routing as shown on the current RIP 9 RDO.






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    I emailed Niner my info this morning and had a response in under two hours that they were shipping out the new shift kit parts. This should work out perfectly with my XX1 conversion arriving next week.

    I've had zero issues with the internal routing but less maintenance and smoother shifting is always appreciated.

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    I have a V1 Niner Jet 9 RDO and hate the cable routing. It negatively impacts my shifting and it kind of suck. I found my shifting to be far more accurate on my Jet 9 alloy. I still maintain that internal cable routing a is a solution looking for a problem.

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    V1.1 owner here. Currently running cables internal with the first shift kit they offered. I have mixed feelings. When its dialed in perfectly, it is impressive. After about 3 months, I did have one of the headbadge ferrules break/fail during a ride, which pulled the housing through it...lost the front der for the remainder of the ride. Not a huge deal, running a 2x crank and wasn't stranded..no need to try and fix on the trail.

    Brought it to my lbs. They called niner (had them answer a few questions I had myself as well) who said it was just a faulty ferrule and wasn't a common problem. Replaced the ferrule and has worked fine so far. I still had to pay labor. Oddly enough, when I received the frame, the pre-installed internal cable liners were reversed, and the shop installed it the same way the liners were installed.

    Basically, my right side shifter cable runs into the right headbadge opening/ left runs to left side. The niner manual says it is the incorrect way to do it. But when my shop called niner, they were told that it makes no difference if the cables are crossed at the headbadge, or not, both perform exactly the same, its been tested. So I left it as is since it would have cost me $ to reverse them and the bike is actually shifting better then ever. XTR der's, chain, & shifters, XT cassette, x9 bb30 cranks.

    Normally, I would run all the cables myself. I've done it numerous times on hardtail and fs bikes, externally routed. After hearing how tedious this job would be, I just gave the business to the local shop. It sucks because this frame is awesome and easily one of the best available right now. They can be set up correctly...just involves some trial and error...and well worth it. They even have a new kit available to run full length housing. They obviously should have had this stuff figured out before launching the bikes, but at least they are sending us replacements without hassle.

    If the new ferrule holds up, I'll probably run it this way for now. If it happens again, I'll try the full length option. But it's working perfect at the moment.

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    Anyone install the new kit yet. I just put my order in. I hope it smooths out my shifting.

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    What "new shift kit?" Haven't heard of this. Please post a link if you have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    Anyone install the new kit yet. I just put my order in. I hope it smooths out my shifting.
    Works great! Smooths out shifting, eliminates cable wear and tear at the headbadge and at the bottom bracket cable chuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel-addict View Post
    What "new shift kit?" Haven't heard of this. Please post a link if you have one.
    See above ^^^ it is all in the thread.

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    Stupid me! Thanks.

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    I emailed them 3 days ago and already received my kit today in Florida. Awesome service. Now I just need to build the thing.

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    Just finish the new kit install. I went with the full housing just in the CS. Not sure what the purpose of the clear tubing is, but noticeably crisper shift with less effort. I'll hit the trails tomorrow with a report.
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    So..maybe someone can confirm if I'm on the right page...looking at the niner routing diagram, the newest shift kit still runs the front der internally without housing...and the rear der runs a full length housing through the badge, inside the frame. Then once the housing comes out of the BB section, the housing stays externally routed to the rear der?

    Anyone have pics? For some reason I think I understand it in my head...but would really like a visual.

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    Look at page 45 to run it with a full housing
    Front to rear with the update kit, or just a full housing in the CS (page47)

    I doesn't stay externally on the rear triangle unless you have the latest frame.
    What frame do you have? If its the newest one you won't need the updaed shift kit.

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    Ok. Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. Mines the v1.1 and ran fine for 3 months till the ferrule broke and pulled the housing through the head badge. I used a new ferrule and it's shifting perfect again..but the new shift kit will definitely be my next method if something happens again.

    After reading other people's experiences, it's either very positive, or very negative...not really anything inbetween. Love hate relationship. If it were any other bike, it would probably be a deal breaker for me...but the j9 rdo is such a fast, nimble, and versatile bike...I don't think I'd be as happy on any other frame. I'd probably resort to ghetto rigging it with the shift cables run externally before looking for another bike.

    Look forward to hearing about the new shift options after guys put some decent mileage on it.

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    Three day turn around on my order also.
    I just need to get a long enough piece of housing to run the new kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azpoolguy View Post
    Three day turn around on my order also.
    I just need to get a long enough piece of housing to run the new kit.
    Did that snake bite you? Where was that?

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    it does not come with a cable housing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    it does not come with a cable housing?
    No, it does not. I just used a new Jagwire 4mm housing and the new kit - it worked pretty well. I won't be able to really trail test the bike/shifting for a few weeks though.

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    Just installed the new kit. I have the headbadge without stops but chose to only have the housing go from BB to chainstay anyway. I wasted a whole lot of time trying to get that housing through the 100mm tubing...but eventually figured out to simply unbolt the bottom swingarm for the installation to work. Bike won't be built until the end of the month so won't know how this shifting will work for a while still. Here are shots from both angles.


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    A bummer Niner needs to come up with these way after the fact fixes, but big props for not abandoning a past product. Lots of companies just move on and let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azpoolguy View Post
    Three day turn around on my order also.
    Three days? Did you call or email? I'm getting zero response.

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    Sheesh. No one listens to me.

    Forget running housing or pvc pipe or anything else between the BB chuck and the hole in the chainstay. It's a bad design. Fuggedaboudit.

    The answer is so easy, but for some reason everyone wants to do it the hard way. As I've written before, all you need to do is run full length housing from the BB chuck to the RD outside and along the top the chainstay . Use a chainstay protector to hold it loosely in place, so that this entire section of housing slides for and aft with the suspension oscillation. Results:

    1. Elimination of sharp bends
    2. Light shifting action
    3. No ghost shifting
    4. Easy installation

    I've been running my RDO this way for 6 months and have had NO- as in ZERO- problems. No, it won't interfere with your chainrings, although it looks like it might. Okay, it's not pretty, but neither is a PVC tube. Sheesh, that thing is heinous, and I reckon compressing it affects the suspension action.
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    That doesn't sound like such a bad idea right now. I have the "new" kit installed and although the shifting seems to work fine, it is very stiff shifting! I used a brand new Jagwire housing and lubed the cable prior to installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appendage View Post
    It's all so easy, but for some everyone wants to make a fatally flawed design work. As I've written before, all you need to do is run full length housing outside and along the top the chainstay from the BB chuck to the RD. Use a chainstay protector to hold it loosely in place, so that this entire section of housing moves with the suspension oscillation. Results:
    1. Elimination of sharp bends
    2. Light shifting action
    3. No ghost shifting
    4. Easy installation

    I've been running my RDO this way for 6 months and have had NO- as in ZERO- shifting issues. Okay, it's not pretty, but neither is a PVC tube. Sheesh, that thing is heinous, and I reckon compressing it affects the suspension action.
    So, full housing in downtube? Then external to rear derailleur. I guess it depends on your head badge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim2none View Post
    That doesn't sound like such a bad idea right now. I have the "new" kit installed and although the shifting seems to work fine, it is very stiff shifting! I used a brand new Jagwire housing and lubed the cable prior to installation.
    Here is how it's done: First Niner! Jet 9 RDO, XX1, I9 Torch 24 wheels, etc

    I have perfect shifting with the external routing and I even think it looks good!

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    I'm not running full housing in the DT, but I suppose you could.
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    The sharp bends required between the BB chuck and the chainstay produce an unacceptable amount of drag. Much more tension is required on the cable to move the RD. I'll bet that's why people were breaking ferrules. I'll also speculate that it's hard on shifters.
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    I emailed them 5 days ago and am still waiting. Was hoping to get it by this weekend so I could perform this upgrade.

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    I'm really looking forward to this. I had all the same shifting issues others experienced with the first gen, then the "upgrade kiit" helped somewhat, but after a few months it was ghost shifting again.
    If this doesn't work out - will definitely go with what appendage and wheel-addict have done. Thanks for sharing.

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    waiting for the upgrade kit as well. the ghost shifting come here n there.
    sometime it quite annoying... i have been building a couple of bikes myself and so far
    the routing of the ver 1.2 is some how of a let down .i do know that there are some guys that dont have this problems so maybe it bad luck on my part .

    if it doesnt work out,i just dump this off and get another frame.

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    Ya external routing is only way to get silk smooth shifting on this frame. Spent way too much time screwing with bottom housing.

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    [/QUOTE]

    What is the black piece at the BB cable chuck end of the 100mm clear tubing? It almost looks like the piece has been inserted into the tubing. Did you use the "stopper washer" from the kit?

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    I'm not sure what you guys are doing but mine has always been silky smooth & no shifting problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    Ya external routing is only way to get silk smooth shifting on this frame. Spent way too much time screwing with bottom housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I'm not sure what you guys are doing but mine has always been silky smooth & no shifting problems.
    well it depend. Niner must had gotten alot of feedback from riders out there to come out with upgrade kits and that is also why they are changing the layout of the routing on the newer bikes, they must have realise that the current layout is creating some issue for some of the riders.. be it 1% of the rider out there. or 10% of the riders out there.. an issue will be an issue..and it good to see that they are working out some solutions to sort this out
    i seen people who had encounter problem with thier bike the first day on the shifting.. and i also encounter people who didnt get any issue with the shifting. for me. the shifting come n goes when it pleases. so i guess luck might play a part.

    my opinion wise... the Niner Jet 9 Rdo is a good bike but there can be more improvment done on it and i think Niner are working or had work on them already..


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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I'm not sure what you guys are doing but mine has always been silky smooth & no shifting problems.
    I guess this is a subjective thing... One man's "silky smooth" is another man's "high friction, high maintenance, unreliable headache." Put me in the second camp.

    It was good enough when everything was functioning properly but then everything failed when the ferrules gave up on working. This is purely down to a bad design (i.e. the tight bend between the BB chuck and chainstay and the ensuing stress on the ferrules.) Even Niner recognized this and made a drastic change on the new frames. The original design (and the "fix" for it) are full of problems that have nothing to do with people's mechanical abilities (as you imply.)

    As others have said, I'm glad they did not abandon the old design and I'm optimistic about the new kit.

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