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    Hi

    I'm running the same setup on mine & I have never dropped a chain.

    Just fit the standard BB & fit the XX1 cranks, No guide needed.


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    Does this setup drop the chain on the front ring at all? I had a 1x10 and it always dropped on techy stuff. Do I need a special BB adaptor for the xx1 crank or will this bolt right up to the Niner frame with xx1 BB?
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    Hey muzzanic, how many miles you have your XX1? Any rear derailleur clunking/creaking issue when your rear suspension cycles? Thanks!

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    Another white XX1 RDO

    Finally got mine built up and ready to roll. Well, after the snow melts. A bit under 24lbs.Jet 9 RDO XX1 Build...this one goes to eleven-image.jpg

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    Where can I buy a wheel prebuilt with xx1 Hub? I am still not clear if I need that pf30 adaptor with the XX1 crank. When I look at xx1 group for sale on ebay what one do I need to get to fit the niner jet RDO? DLINE how much she weigh?

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    You can buy a new freehub body for SRAM and DT 240 hubs right now - for about 50 bucks. The swap took maybe 5 minutes. As for the BB - I ordered a PF30 BB and 156Q cranks, and they went on without a problem.

    Only issue I have is that the factory threaded lines running through the frame may have been crossed to my head tube. As I look at everyone else's cable routing the right hand shifter cable crosses to the left hand side of the head tube badge, and mine doesn't, but I was just following the lines as they came from Niner.

    It's at 24 lbs now, with some heavy tubes and a heavy saddle. Both on my list to change.

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    Nice looking build DLine! I just finished orderring all the parts for my own Jet9RDO XX1 build today. Hope to have everything in and bike built by next week. First race of the year is March 16, so I'm cutting it close now.

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    Where did you buy xx1 group? I also need a carbon stem and seatpost. Deciding on fox ctd or the xx or even theloop from white bros. What cane creek headset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    Where did you buy xx1 group? I also need a carbon stem and seatpost. Deciding on fox ctd or the xx or even theloop from white bros. What cane creek headset?
    My LBS was able to roughly match the prices at UniversalCycles on the XX1. XX1 is in high demand and many parts are starting to get backordered, so order soon.

    I have spent _far_ too much time in the past weeks considering what parts to order. Ended up ordering the Syntace HiFlex P6 carbon post (amazing engineering and warranty) and Ritchey WCS Carbon C260 90mm stem (gorgeous!) and Enve sweep bars. Went with the Fox CTD 100mm fork in black.
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    Over 1000 km & not missed a beat,

    I have a couple of friends that have XX1 on Rip9's & not had any problems either.

    I think the Niner CVA is very friendly on clutch type derailieurs.

    Quote Originally Posted by cytoe View Post
    Hey muzzanic, how many miles you have your XX1? Any rear derailleur clunking/creaking issue when your rear suspension cycles? Thanks!
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    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

    Ok in truth I've had this for a little while, but didn't want to steal anyone's thunder. I actually had it set up 2x10, but had so much flex when I was mashing real hard I couldn't keep the chain on the big ring. Anyway, swapped over to XX1 and am hooked. Definitely going to be expensive trying to convert the other horses in my stable.

    XL White Jet 9 RDO
    Fox Float 120mm, Maxle
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    Shimano XTR 988 Trail Brakeset
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    Niner Flat Top Bar, ESI Chunky Grips
    Niner RDO Stem 110mm
    Kind Shock Supernatural Seatpost 150mm drop, 435mm overall
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    I just called Universal and they said I need
    SRAM XX1 Trigger Shift Kit-In-A-Box 175mm 166Q 32T BB30 Crankset 10-42 11 speed; Bottom Bracket Not Included
    for the niner jet RDO
    Not the Q168, I am confused what to order

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    You can use the 168Q, but are probably better off with the 156Q (narrower) for better pedaling efficiency. Jet9RDO accommodates both. You need to order the Truvativ PF30 Bottom Bracket and you are all set.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    I just called Universal and they said I need
    SRAM XX1 Trigger Shift Kit-In-A-Box 175mm 166Q 32T BB30 Crankset 10-42 11 speed; Bottom Bracket Not Included
    for the niner jet RDO
    Not the Q168, I am confused what to order

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodoljake View Post
    Ok in truth I've had this for a little while, but didn't want to steal anyone's thunder...
    26lbs (includes pedals, tubes, pump & cage)
    Nice looking steed! I'm with you on the imitation thing. I'm totally trying to copy some of the goodness I've seen in this thread. That is one of the nicer looking white RDO builds I've seen. Looks like you've gone for more of a "trail/AM" build. I bet your bike will be more fun to ride than the "XC racer" build I'm going for. BTW, what bottle cage is that? Does it hold your bottles firmly enough while still being able to pull them out on the trail?

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    Do I order the GXP or BB30 version?, I will also order the Truvativ PF30

    Quote Originally Posted by wheel-addict View Post
    You can use the 168Q, but are probably better off with the 156Q (narrower) for better pedaling efficiency. Jet9RDO accommodates both. You need to order the Truvativ PF30 Bottom Bracket and you are all set.

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    Order the BB30 version.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    Do I order the GXP or BB30 version?, I will also order the Truvativ PF30

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel-addict View Post
    Nice looking steed! BTW, what bottle cage is that? Does it hold your bottles firmly enough while still being able to pull them out on the trail?
    Thanks! Bottle cage is a Profile Design Kage (yes with a K). They aren't the prettiest, but they are cheap and fairly light (56g). They also have a rubber ring to help hold the bottles in. I did remove the rubber ring on this one and always on the seat tube to give them more flex when removing the bottles. For reference I have never lost a bottle and use them on all my rides. (See now I'm gonna lose one cuz of this. lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel-addict View Post
    You can use the 168Q, but are probably better off with the 156Q (narrower) for better pedaling efficiency. Jet9RDO accommodates both. You need to order the Truvativ PF30 Bottom Bracket and you are all set.
    I second wheel addict with the narrow Q benefit, but If you have big feet and/or are prone to tuck in your heels striking the chain stay or even seat stay on this frame will be very common. I fall into the big foot category so I went with the wider to be safe and still hit the stays once in a while with my Q168.

    For reference the new XX1 is either Q158 or Q168 where the traditional XX is Q156 or Q166. I've seen some shops incorrectly label the new XX1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    Do I order the GXP or BB30 version?, I will also order the Truvativ PF30
    Yes the only reason you would order the GXP is if you were thinking of swaping bits over to the Rip9 RDO or something like that at a later stage.
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    ordered the 156, I have not had the heel problem. I am size 11. Now I just need to pick out a fork??

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    DLine, nice looking rig. Are those the sram Rise 60 wheels? If so, how do you like them?

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    Dline, is that a medium frame or large at 24 lbs?

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    It's a Large. Put a lighter saddle and new Ashima rotors last night and shed a few grams.

    Today was the first ride, though just a commute. Nothing like a new bike to amp up the mundane. The wheels are the Rise 60's, and they seem good so far, but I haven't really had them in a situation where I can tell just yet. I haven't converted to tubeless, which is the drawback. Most other wheels in their price category are tubeless ready. But I got a good deal on them, so it's hard to complain.

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    Is it correct that traditional Q-factor is 166 (with non-XX1 cranks)? If so, what specifically has many of you going with the Q156? I'm in the process of ordering an XX1 crank to use with 1x10 drivetrain, but I was thinking Q168 since that's closest to traditional, and I've never felt too "wide" before on pedals?

    Is there a noticeable advantage with Q156? Also, can anyone confirm it wouldn't cause a clearance issue on an Air9 RDO frame?

    Thanks

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    I put my 156 Q XX1 cranks on my wifes bike to try before I ordered hers.

    With clip in shoes she had no problems, but she also some times iust usws running shoes & found with the wide heal they would often rub the frame.

    She has chosen to go with 168 Q for this reason.

    both my bikes run 156 Q & I tell myself it's better for pedaling in deep ruts & less likely to get caught on tree stumps & better for pedaling on corners when the bike is layed over.

    However this to the greater part is all in my head, Because 6mm each side isn't much & there will be pedals out there with spindal lengths that will be a greater difference.

    156 Q isn't a magic bullet to anything, I would be just as happy with 168 Q but then I'm 6 ft maybe a shorter peorson might notice it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfb66 View Post
    Is it correct that traditional Q-factor is 166 (with non-XX1 cranks)? If so, what specifically has many of you going with the Q156? I'm in the process of ordering an XX1 crank to use with 1x10 drivetrain, but I was thinking Q168 since that's closest to traditional, and I've never felt too "wide" before on pedals?

    Is there a noticeable advantage with Q156? Also, can anyone confirm it wouldn't cause a clearance issue on an Air9 RDO frame?

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    I'm only 5'9" so not sure which Q would fit me best? I'll have to measure my current bikes and see what they are. I know my Jet9 is 166Q, but no idea on cyclocross or rigid bike? I like the idea of narrower cranks during turns as we have a lot of tight, twisty sections on our race courses.



    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I put my 156 Q XX1 cranks on my wifes bike to try before I ordered hers.

    With clip in shoes she had no problems, but she also some times iust usws running shoes & found with the wide heal they would often rub the frame.

    She has chosen to go with 168 Q for this reason.

    both my bikes run 156 Q & I tell myself it's better for pedaling in deep ruts & less likely to get caught on tree stumps & better for pedaling on corners when the bike is layed over.

    However this to the greater part is all in my head, Because 6mm each side isn't much & there will be pedals out there with spindal lengths that will be a greater difference.

    156 Q isn't a magic bullet to anything, I would be just as happy with 168 Q but then I'm 6 ft maybe a shorter peorson might notice it more.

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    If you did go 156q you can get 1mm back with a pedal washer & up to 3mm out of your cleats anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by kfb66 View Post
    I'm only 5'9" so not sure which Q would fit me best? I'll have to measure my current bikes and see what they are. I know my Jet9 is 166Q, but no idea on cyclocross or rigid bike? I like the idea of narrower cranks during turns as we have a lot of tight, twisty sections on our race courses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfb66 View Post
    I'm only 5'9" so not sure which Q would fit me best? I'll have to measure my current bikes and see what they are. I know my Jet9 is 166Q, but no idea on cyclocross or rigid bike? I like the idea of narrower cranks during turns as we have a lot of tight, twisty sections on our race courses.
    I'm running 156Q as well and like the narrower Q-factor compared to my XT cranks I removed. I've had zero heal clearance issues with size 45 shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodoljake View Post
    Ok in truth I've had this for a little while, but didn't want to steal anyone's thunder. I actually had it set up 2x10, but had so much flex when I was mashing real hard I couldn't keep the chain on the big ring. Anyway, swapped over to XX1 and am hooked. Definitely going to be expensive trying to convert the other horses in my stable.

    XL White Jet 9 RDO
    Fox Float 120mm, Maxle
    SRAM XX1 Drivetrain (BB30 Q168 & trigger shift)
    Shimano XTR 988 Trail Brakeset
    American Classic MTB Wheelset
    Schwalbe Ron & Ralph
    Niner Flat Top Bar, ESI Chunky Grips
    Niner RDO Stem 110mm
    Kind Shock Supernatural Seatpost 150mm drop, 435mm overall
    Forte Pro SL Saddle
    Shimano XT Pedals
    26lbs (includes pedals, tubes, pump & cage)
    Sick build homie! Youre not stealing anyone's thunder - you just have damn fine taste.

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    So, I now have to say Ive officially had an issue with xx1. When I balled up my wheels on a big drop, turns out i broke my cassette as well. When my mechanic removed it to rebuild my trashed rim, it came off in two pieces. The shop said sram would warranty it...but they are backordered through the end of april. Just so happens a local guy had an extra, which he is giving me in return for the other when it comes.

    I will be interested to see if this is an issue more people run into, or if it was a self contained case of stupidity. If the cassettes are prone to breaking, it is nice of sram to warranty that.

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    That it crazy. I've had two XX cassettes and never came close to breaking anything on them. I can say that I've broken an XTR cassettes though, but that was due to the thin titanium cogs. Anyway, wonder if you hit it on a rock and/or they broke it removing it from the wheel???

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    Palmares, where did it break? Any pics of it?
    I was going to go with the xx1 group for my new Jet RDO build but I am patiently waiting to hear more ride reports and/or issues. I am not in too big a hurry to build the bike up hence the waiting and to see if Shimano comes out with a similar group.
    It's perplexing to wonder that by manufacturing parts to be lightweight that durability becomes an issue, as is the challenge in most manufacturing arenas.

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    Jet 9 RDO XX1 Build...this one goes to eleven

    Quote Originally Posted by goodoljake View Post
    Ok in truth I've had this for a little while, but didn't want to steal anyone's thunder. I actually had it set up 2x10, but had so much flex when I was mashing real hard I couldn't keep the chain on the big ring. Anyway, swapped over to XX1 and am hooked. Definitely going to be expensive trying to convert the other horses in my stable.

    XL White Jet 9 RDO
    Fox Float 120mm, Maxle
    SRAM XX1 Drivetrain (BB30 Q168 & trigger shift)
    Shimano XTR 988 Trail Brakeset
    American Classic MTB Wheelset
    Schwalbe Ron & Ralph
    Niner Flat Top Bar, ESI Chunky Grips
    Niner RDO Stem 110mm
    Kind Shock Supernatural Seatpost 150mm drop, 435mm overall
    Forte Pro SL Saddle
    Shimano XT Pedals
    26lbs (includes pedals, tubes, pump & cage)
    Goodoljake - how tall are you? I'm 6'7" wondering if the XL was gonna work for me. I ride a XXL HT right now...

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    Flex?

    Quote Originally Posted by goodoljake View Post
    Ok in truth I've had this for a little while, but didn't want to steal anyone's thunder. I actually had it set up 2x10, but had so much flex when I was mashing real hard I couldn't keep the chain on the big ring. Anyway, swapped over to XX1 and am hooked. Definitely going to be expensive trying to convert the other horses in my stable.

    Beauty of a bike! Where were you getting all that flex? Are speaking of the frame/bb, or crank?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tall_bryce View Post
    Goodoljake - how tall are you? I'm 6'7" wondering if the XL was gonna work for me. I ride a XXL HT right now...
    OK, I am 6/4 with a 34" inseam. I normally ride 21" or XL frames and this fits me well. I have a buddy who is 6/7 and he won't go near any XL or 21". He is a hold out for XXL or 23". I must admit I like the Santa Cruz Tall Boy and almost bought a XXL carbon one but was advised directly by a Santa Cruz tech that I was too small for it. That was just prior to finding a sweet deal on the Jet. Anyway, the XXL Carbon Tallboy can still be had for a sweet price, if you like blue. check it: Santa Cruz Bicycles


    Quote Originally Posted by insighter View Post
    Beauty of a bike! Where were you getting all that flex? Are speaking of the frame/bb, or crank?
    According to Niner the flex is in the CVA and rear end. I'm a very big boy so when I mash on the steep stuff it would flex laterally enough to literally shift the chain off the side of the big ring. If I adjusted the front derailleur to compensate then it would rub on the chain in the smallest cogs under a more normal load. If I had to guess by the quickness of their diagnosis it wasn't the first time this has happened. All that said I don't notice the flex anymore than I do on my hardtails. The switch to 1x for me has not only solved it, but has me sold on the whole XX1 concept.

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    Opinions Please

    Looking at a wheel upgrade. please tell me your thoughts on the all black or red ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHS View Post
    Palmares, where did it break? Any pics of it?
    I was going to go with the xx1 group for my new Jet RDO build but I am patiently waiting to hear more ride reports and/or issues. I am not in too big a hurry to build the bike up hence the waiting and to see if Shimano comes out with a similar group.
    It's perplexing to wonder that by manufacturing parts to be lightweight that durability becomes an issue, as is the challenge in most manufacturing arenas.
    Not sure, as my bike shop is in Austin and I dont live there. After talking to a few people, it sounds like a very isolated issue, as no one has heard of an xx or xx1 cassette breaking like that.

    I took a pretty ill advised gnarly drop and landed on a non landing area (read: I f'ed it away) and am just glad nothing worse happened. I still dig my XX1 and dont think there are long lasting durability issues. We shall see.

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    my vote

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    Looking at a wheel upgrade. please tell me your thoughts on the all black or red ones.
    I say go with the black ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tall_bryce View Post
    I say go with the black ones.
    Ditto

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    +1 on the black ones. And send me the red ones-they'll look great on my black RDO!
    Single Track Rules!

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    Black ones on order. The red ones would look sick on a blacked out frame, but I don't have them in hand or we could work it out. thanks for the help.

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    I have the Trail 24's (weight came to exactly 1570 g with tape and valve stems) ready to put on my black RDO frame. I went for a slight custom order by getting black rim/hub, and red spokes. I'm just waiting for handlebars and stem to arrive and then I'll post a picture of the finished bike. I considered blacked out I9s as well. Should also look sick.

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    If anyone is looking for an XX1 / XD freehub body for a SRAM Rise 60 wheelset, I can trade you my just-about-new XX1 freehub for your standard 8/9/10 speed Shimano style freehub body. I've gotta move my wheelset to a triple ring setup for some XC stage racing.

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    rdo build

    I am building up new RDO 1x11. Do I run the rear deraileur cable housing through the frame or use the small plastic tubes for inside frame and housing on the outside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    I am building up new RDO 1x11. Do I run the rear deraileur cable housing through the frame or use the small plastic tubes for inside frame and housing on the outside?
    Check on Niner's web site. They have a video that shows how to do the internal cable routing.

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    According to that video it seems like the cable is bare inside the frame, wont that rub on carbon and create some wear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    According to that video it seems like the cable is bare inside the frame, wont that rub on carbon and create some wear?
    That is how it is designed by Niner to function. The cable is not just slack and flopping around inside the frame. It is under tension and runs in a straight line so it doesn't contact anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog100 View Post
    According to that video it seems like the cable is bare inside the frame, wont that rub on carbon and create some wear?
    It doesn't rub, but the nightmares that some others have documented with the internal cable routing on the RDO scared me. If you are going with an XX1, why not just run full length housing on the outside along with the rear brake line? This is what I did, and I think it looks just fine, perhaps even a bit more balanced than seeing a single cable enter one half of the head-badge. Here's some pictures I just posted: First Niner! Jet 9 RDO, XX1, I9 Torch 24 wheels, etc

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    With the XX1 chain length just run the chain through derailuer and big rings and size it that way? Or do I remove shock bolt and cycle suspention full range up and then size?

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    I used big ring + 3. Then I measured w suspension fully cycled and it came out almost identical. So, go with either.

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    pf30

    Did you guys use a tool to put the PF30 in the BB?

    this is what mine looks like

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