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    Jet 9 RDO vs. RIP 9 RDO

    I am going to put this on muzzanic

    I am in play for a FS bike. Was considering the Jet9 RDO until muzzanic got me thinking whether I would like to have a RIP 9 RDO.

    Kinda looking for some advise - e.g. pro vs. cons.

    I am 253lbs planning on getting to 220lbs and below.

    Appreciate your opinion,
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    Not Muzz, but I have been working on making this same decision. What it should come down to is your intended use. For myself, I picked the Jet because I want climbing ability over all else. I'll still have a Mojo SL and a 29er SS hard tail, so the Jet seems to expand my bike choices more. Will this be your only MTB? If you have others will it be a replacement, or compliment other bikes?

    Something else I see Muzz say a lot is how the Rip will really help skill wise on downhill sections. I don't need any help in that area (my SS times are nearly as good as on my Mojo) which is another nod towards the Jet for me. How does this apply for you?

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    I have an Air 9 RDO and I am keeping it. The Jet 9 RDO would be my second bike. So it is all about choices as pointed out.

    I am not looking to jump with the bike or going nuts on the descents...
    That said, I thought on a 120mm up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalamath View Post
    Not Muzz, but I have been working on making this same decision. What it should come down to is your intended use. For myself, I picked the Jet because I want climbing ability over all else. I'll still have a Mojo SL and a 29er SS hard tail, so the Jet seems to expand my bike choices more. Will this be your only MTB? If you have others will it be a replacement, or compliment other bikes?

    Something else I see Muzz say a lot is how the Rip will really help skill wise on downhill sections. I don't need any help in that area (my SS times are nearly as good as on my Mojo) which is another nod towards the Jet for me. How does this apply for you?

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    Jet 9 RDO vs. RIP 9 RDO

    IMO, the uses for the JET and AIR overlap a lot. If you're going to have two bikes, my thought is that they should cover as much of the spectrum as possible without leaving a gap, if that makes sense.

    The RIP pedals quite well, but will also likely lift your desire to descend. It's super versatile: you can set it up to be a little more XC if you'd like, keeping it lighter and shorter, or you could go more AM with your setup, should your riding progress in that direction. Just my personal experience, but I've always found myself doing the type of riding that I didn't think I'd be doing a year or two prior. If you go that direction, you're set with the RIP. If you don't, keep the RIP short, run XC tires, and you have a bike that pedals nearly as well as a JET set up at 120.

    Just my two cents!

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    I own both and it kinda boils down to what your riding intentions are... My JET RDO is full on XC'd out complete with Carbon wheels/XTR drive train. I run the 120mm SID up front. My RIP RDO can handle just about anything I throw at. XT drive train with a Pike up front at 140mm. Reverb post and Carbon wheels. For here in AZ, the JET RDO is my weapon for any major climbing routes and long endurance type of riding. My RIP is my go to bike whenever technical descents and "chunk" are involved. Pick the bike that fits your riding style and terrain. Both are excellent for their purpose.
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    My reply under your Scalpel 29 vs. Tallboy 2 vs. Jet 9 RDO post.

    Have to agree with those recommending one of the Rip 9s. I have owned a Jet 9 RDO and just replaced with a Rip 9 RDO. I ride mostly single track, rocky & very rooty trails with some climbs with nasty downhills-no big jumps though. I LOVE the new Rip RDO! I think I may have given up less than 10% Flickability(a totally mountain bike term) but in every other way the Rip just rocks! Feel more like I'm "In the bike" rather than "On the bike" compared to my Jet. Also, just traded bikes with a friend who has the new Jet 9 RDO with a carbon wheel set. After having not ridden a Jet RDO since getting rid of mine and only riding my Rip RDO for the last month, even with his carbon wheels (my Rip has Stans Arch EX's) I easily noticed how much smoother my Rip was compared to riding his Jet. We were riding on a familiar fast trail with LOTS of technical rocks & roots. The RIP just flys thru that stuff while, even thought the Jet is a Great bike, on a long day you will not feel as beat up after riding a RIP. As Muzz has mentioned in the past, if money becomes an issue, and you are trying to decide on the Rip 9 Alum vs the Rip 9 RDO, go for the Alum Rip and spend the extra money on a set of carbon rims. I got a Rip RDO in an even trade because of a cracked frame on my Jet RDO otherwise I would have done this. I did demo the Alum Rip and was super impressed! At your weight, and I ride with 2 friends in your weight class, both have the Rips and are loving them. I think you will too. Good luck with your choice.
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    HouseNotes, it is interesting you say that you "think you may have given up less than 10% flickability" in choosing the Rip 9 RDO. I was just talking with a niner demo guy and a Niner dealer and they were in consensus that the RIP is more "flickable" due to the shorter top tube. They felt the you can really throw it around and kick out the rear. I kind of felt the same where as the Jet 9 RDO seem to be more planted and that may be due to the longer top tube on it. Giving you that leaning over the bike feeling and the Rip is more upright as you call it "in the bike" feeling. I personally like that as do you. I do feel the Jet can ride a bit harsh though so I see what you are saying about the Rip compared to the Jet, but man that Jet can really climb impressively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    HouseNotes, it is interesting you say that you "think you may have given up less than 10% flickability" in choosing the Rip 9 RDO. I was just talking with a niner demo guy and a Niner dealer and they were in consensus that the RIP is more "flickable" due to the shorter top tube. They felt the you can really throw it around and kick out the rear. I kind of felt the same where as the Jet 9 RDO seem to be more planted and that may be due to the longer top tube on it. Giving you that leaning over the bike feeling and the Rip is more upright as you call it "in the bike" feeling. I personally like that as do you. I do feel the Jet can ride a bit harsh though so I see what you are saying about the Rip compared to the Jet, but man that Jet can really climb impressively.
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    Since you already have the AIR 9 another +1 for the RIP. I have more fun than I thought I ever could on the downs with mine while still being able to earn that part with long climbs that can get techy (So Cal). Really impressed with how it pedals up and have a 140 Pike upfront as well. I find myself popping off every little bump along the trail and my confidence on drops has improved a great deal so don't be too quick to say you won't be looking to jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    Since you already have the AIR 9 another +1 for the RIP. I have more fun than I thought I ever could on the downs with mine while still being able to earn that part with long climbs that can get techy (So Cal). Really impressed with how it pedals up and have a 140 Pike upfront as well. I find myself popping off every little bump along the trail and my confidence on drops has improved a great deal so don't be too quick to say you won't be looking to jump.
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    I really like both the Jet9 RDO & Rip9 RDO, For that matter I like my alloy 2014 Rip9 a lot as well.

    I have always been more of a Rip9 rider, I only ever brought the Jet9 RDO to hold me over until they made a Rip9 carbon.

    In fact I sold my early Rip9 & brought a Gen 1 Tallboy to get a bike that was more alive, Lasted ( I really didn't like it )

    Anyway I couldn't believe how good the Jet9 RDO was, There wasn't a track that I do that Jet9 RDO wasn't faster than my old Rip9 was, No matter how ruff or steep down hill.

    On the flat & climbs the Jet9 RDO was so much quicker & more alive.

    You really can't go wrong with any of these bikes, But think hard about what you want out of a bike & what your budget is.

    My Rip9 RDO is my best & go to bike for sure, but here is the thing.

    The new Alloy Rip9 is so good that I would give up my carbon frame before I would give up my Pike.

    Also I own a few wheel sets & get to do lots of back to back & good stiff & strong wheels sets make a bike.

    The Thing I really like about my Rip9's is you can do a really good job no matter what tracks you take them on, There wide range of were they go well is just such an asset, Up, Down or flat

    I'm off to bed now, I will add more info when I get up.
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    So - I am looking to this thread for thoughts/feedback.

    In the arsenal currently... Jet 9 RDO, EMD 9, SIR 9, (un-built ROS 9). What I'm wondering is the following:

    a) Do I build up the ROS as a trail bike... or keep the frame as nostalgia (on the DL, all I'll say is - it's pretty cool to have a frame that you helped name). The argument I get in with myself here is, "do I really want to own 3 hard tails ???"
    or,
    b) Build a WFO 9 to complement my Jet 9 - as it is built as a heavy duty XC/trail bike.
    or,
    c) Build a heavy duty RIP to complement my Jet 9.

    The bike that I use all over the country is my Jet 9. I'm a bigger rider and need more assistance going up than down.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qanuk View Post
    So - I am looking to this thread for thoughts/feedback.

    In the arsenal currently... Jet 9 RDO, EMD 9, SIR 9, (un-built ROS 9). What I'm wondering is the following:

    a) Do I build up the ROS as a trail bike... or keep the frame as nostalgia (on the DL, all I'll say is - it's pretty cool to have a frame that you helped name). The argument I get in with myself here is, "do I really want to own 3 hard tails ???"
    or,
    b) Build a WFO 9 to complement my Jet 9 - as it is built as a heavy duty XC/trail bike.
    or,
    c) Build a heavy duty RIP to complement my Jet 9.

    The bike that I use all over the country is my Jet 9. I'm a bigger rider and need more assistance going up than down.

    Thoughts?
    I'd look at it in terms of capability. I'm willing to bet your JET handles most of the terrain you throw at it. I see the RIP as sort of a do-it-all, and I think it'll overlap your heavy duty JET. The ROS will put you on the same terrain as the RIP with a completely different ride.

    My vote would probably go to the WFO, which will open up terrain than no other bike you own has any business being on. It pedals decently enough to get you to the top of anything, but will allow you to open it up a bit downhill. If you have any inclination toward drops, jumps, or serious chunk, go WFO. If you don't currently, but decide to go WFO, you may find yourself seeking out the limits of the bike.

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    I have always said if you have to ask Rip9 or WFO then there is a very good chance you are a Rip9 type rider & not a WFO type rider.

    How ever, With you already owning a Jet9 RDO then there is more scope to spread the bikes apart with a WFO.

    The thing is that Jet9 RDO,s really climb well & even a good climber will come up feeling lacking next to the Jet9 RDO.

    I just got a WFO that I should have built up by Saturday< So will be abel to Ride Jet9 RDO,Rip9 RDO,2014 Rip9 & 2014 WFO back to back so will be able to tell you how big a hit you will take on climbing..



    Quote Originally Posted by Qanuk View Post
    So - I am looking to this thread for thoughts/feedback.

    In the arsenal currently... Jet 9 RDO, EMD 9, SIR 9, (un-built ROS 9). What I'm wondering is the following:

    a) Do I build up the ROS as a trail bike... or keep the frame as nostalgia (on the DL, all I'll say is - it's pretty cool to have a frame that you helped name). The argument I get in with myself here is, "do I really want to own 3 hard tails ???"
    or,
    b) Build a WFO 9 to complement my Jet 9 - as it is built as a heavy duty XC/trail bike.
    or,
    c) Build a heavy duty RIP to complement my Jet 9.

    The bike that I use all over the country is my Jet 9. I'm a bigger rider and need more assistance going up than down.

    Thoughts?
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    I may be in this same boat. My v1.1 jet9 RDO has what may be some cracking in the usual spot, and I was looking into replacement options. I may be able to get a new rip rdo or a jet rdo but have not decided which I would rather have. My jet is built with a 120 fork and American classic wheels. It's a great do it all bike but sometimes I would like a little extra travel. I don't race often but I am starting to get into endurance racing a bit more and usually do a couple xterra events every year.
    Will I suffer too much on the rip when race day comes? Like I said I race only a few times a year but love to do the big rides occasionally. Want a fun go to bike.
    I currently have the jet9 and a canfield yelli that I just built up.
    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    Also, anyone know actual weights on equivalent sized jet9 rdo to rip9rdo? Been struggling to find actual weights. I ride a large.

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    My Rip9 RDO was just on 1 Ib more than my Jet9 RDO, Both were large.

    I really liked my Jet9 RDO's ( never had any problems with either of them ) But I like my Rip9 RDO more.

    I found that there was very little between the Rip9 RDO & Jet9 RDO in climbing with much the same build, A slight edge to the Jet9 RDO but I do mean Slight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeast View Post
    I may be in this same boat. My v1.1 jet9 RDO has what may be some cracking in the usual spot, and I was looking into replacement options. I may be able to get a new rip rdo or a jet rdo but have not decided which I would rather have. My jet is built with a 120 fork and American classic wheels. Iip9t's a great do it all bike but sometimes I would like a little extra travel. I don't race often but I am starting to get into endurance racing a bit more and usually do a couple xterra events every year.
    Will I suffer too much on the rip when race day comes? Like I said I race only a few times a year but love to do the big rides occasionally. Want a fun go to bike.
    I currently have the jet9 and a canfield yelli that I just built up.
    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    Also, anyone know actual weights on equivalent sized jet9 rdo to rip9rdo? Been struggling to find actual weights. I ride a large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeast View Post
    I may be in this same boat. My v1.1 jet9 RDO has what may be some cracking in the usual spot, and I was looking into replacement options. I may be able to get a new rip rdo or a jet rdo but have not decided which I would rather have. My jet is built with a 120 fork and American classic wheels. It's a great do it all bike but sometimes I would like a little extra travel. I don't race often but I am starting to get into endurance racing a bit more and usually do a couple xterra events every year.
    Will I suffer too much on the rip when race day comes? Like I said I race only a few times a year but love to do the big rides occasionally. Want a fun go to bike.
    I currently have the jet9 and a canfield yelli that I just built up.
    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    Also, anyone know actual weights on equivalent sized jet9 rdo to rip9rdo? Been struggling to find actual weights. I ride a large.
    Well if you are only doing a couple/few racing events a year then you should take into consideration what you are doing the rest of the year. If you end up getting more serious about racing then you will be building a race bike and not an occasional race bike. I kept my Stumpy hardtail after I built up my RIP rdo and am glad I did. It's a good bike for the mellow race series I participate in.

    What I really love about my RIP is I can damn near climb as fast on it as I can my Stumpy HT. I smash all my old times on loops with my RIP because I can climb almost as quick then descend wayyy faster.

    So IMHO I think you need to ask yourself if this will be a race bike or an every day bike that you might enter a couple of races with. If you are looking for more of an all day 'have fun' bike then the RIP will suite your needs.

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    Long story short I want that fun every day bike i just want to be able to race that same bike if needed. Sounds like the Rip is still going to be a good race bike if set up to do so. Thanks for the help
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    A little bit late to this thread but thought I'd add a few comments.

    I have a:

    Jet 9 RDO (first gen) with a 120 mm White Bros Loop, XX1, Thomson Elite Dropper and Enve AM wheels

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    RIP 9 RDO with 140mm Pike, XX1, Enve AM and Reverb dropper

    Both are set up tubeless.

    So definitely some overlap between the two bikes yet they do feel quite different on the trail. Locally (Ohio) I ride Mohican a lot, a 25 mile loop of single track (Home of the Mohican 100) with plenty of roots, some rocks, but mostly nice single track with about 3000 feet of climbing. Lots of people ride hard tails here but also see a lot of FS. On this trail I prefer the Jet 9 RDO. It feels a little quicker and more nimble and I handle the tight switchbacks a little better on it. The dropper brought so much life to the Jet 9 RDO and I'm constantly raising and lowering the saddle. It's just such a lively feeling bike and it constantly brings a smile to my face while riding it.

    However the RIP 9 RDO is great on the trail too, but it is a little bit of over kill for the terrain. It still climbs really well but not quite as well as the Jet 9 RDO. It is very stable and extremely comfortable. When it gets rocky, the Pike really shines and is a nice stabilizing force, but the 120mm Loop is no slouch either. I've never washed out the front tire on the RIP 9 RDO, something I have managed to do on the Jet 9 RDO on a couple of occasions (likely poor technique but speaks to the forgiveness of the RIP 9 RDO).

    That being said, the real reason I got the RIP is for my trips out West. In less than two weeks I'm heading out to Steamboat and Vail/Beaver Creek areas and the RIP 9 RDO will be the bike I'm taking and I'm expecting it to shine. This will be my first trip with it and I'm looking forward to testing it on some long epic rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuttermax View Post
    I've never washed out the front tire on the RIP 9 RDO, something I have managed to do on the Jet 9 RDO on a couple of occasions (likely poor technique but speaks to the forgiveness of the RIP 9 RDO).
    Is this because you run a bigger tire on the Rip?

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    Re: Jet 9 RDO vs. RIP 9 RDO

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    Is this because you run a bigger tire on the Rip?
    Good question but suspect it's multifactorial. I've had the Jet 9 RDO for a lot longer and ridden it far more, so potentially a lot more time for problems. However the most recent time I washed out the front tire was when I was running a 2.35 Nobby Nic on the front in somewhat dry dusty conditions with a Racing Ralph on the rear. I was sitting on the saddle (first mistake) coming around a corner and likely had too much weight over the rear tire. Before I could blink the front tire washed out and I was on my butt. The Nobby Nic was probably not the best tire for the conditions at the time but I probably had lost a little focus while riding.

    I'm now running a 2.25 Rocket Ron on the front of the Jet 9 RDO and in our local trail conditions I like it a lot more than the Nobby Nic. No washouts with the Rocket Ron.

    I ran the 2.35 front and rear Nobby Nics on the RIP 9 RDO that it came with initially. They were good in the late fall conditions when I first got my bike. The trails were heavily leaf littered at the time and the Nobby Nics punch through the leaves well. This year I've run a 2.20 Ikon rear and 2.35 Ikon front on the RIP, both in 3C EXO config, and have liked the combo on our local trails. However for the trip out West I'm putting an Ardent rear and High Roller II up front, which should provide a much different feel.

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    If you are going to be doing a lot of down hill try the Minions front & rear They have so much more grip than the likes of an Ardent.

    I'm running a 2.3 DHR 2 on the rear & have both the 2.3 & 2.5 DHF that I use depending on how much climbing I'm going to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kuttermax View Post
    Good question but suspect it's multifactorial. I've had the Jet 9 RDO for a lot longer and ridden it far more, so potentially a lot more time for problems. However the most recent time I washed out the front tire was when I was running a 2.35 Nobby Nic on the front in somewhat dry dusty conditions with a Racing Ralph on the rear. I was sitting on the saddle (first mistake) coming around a corner and likely had too much weight over the rear tire. Before I could blink the front tire washed out and I was on my butt. The Nobby Nic was probably not the best tire for the conditions at the time but I probably had lost a little focus while riding.

    I'm now running a 2.25 Rocket Ron on the front of the Jet 9 RDO and in our local trail conditions I like it a lot more than the Nobby Nic. No washouts with the Rocket Ron.

    I ran the 2.35 front and rear Nobby Nics on the RIP 9 RDO that it came with initially. They were good in the late fall conditions when I first got my bike. The trails were heavily leaf littered at the time and the Nobby Nics punch through the leaves well. This year I've run a 2.20 Ikon rear and 2.35 Ikon front on the RIP, both in 3C EXO config, and have liked the combo on our local trails. However for the trip out West I'm putting an Ardent rear and High Roller II up front, which should provide a much different feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    If you are going to be doing a lot of down hill try the Minions front & rear They have so much more grip than the likes of an Ardent.

    I'm running a 2.3 DHR 2 on the rear & have both the 2.3 & 2.5 DHF that I use depending on how much climbing I'm going to do.
    Hmmm, got me thinking. I'm definitely planning on hitting some nice XC type trails. For example I plan on hitting this ride:

    Riding Steamboat’s Crown Jewel: Rabbit Ears Continental Divide Shuttle | Singletracks Mountain Bike Blog

    but if I start to burn my legs out after a few days I may spend some time riding the lift served areas as well. I was thinking the Ardent Rear/High Roller II Front would be good compromise, but maybe I should be going with a bit more tire?

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    I would, If it is a trip away, making a climb 2 min faster isn't what you will remember, How fast you bombed down the fast bits is something you will have for a long time.

    They really don't roll that bad ( sure I wouldn't choose them for an XC race ) But man the grip on the corners is awesome.

    If I could only take the 1 set of wheels & tires away it would be the 2.3 DHR2 for the rear & the 2.3 DHF for the front.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kuttermax View Post
    Hmmm, got me thinking. I'm definitely planning on hitting some nice XC type trails. For example I plan on hitting this ride:

    Riding Steamboat’s Crown Jewel: Rabbit Ears Continental Divide Shuttle | Singletracks Mountain Bike Blog

    but if I start to burn my legs out after a few days I may spend some time riding the lift served areas as well. I was thinking the Ardent Rear/High Roller II Front would be good compromise, but maybe I should be going with a bit more tire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I would, If it is a trip away, making a climb 2 min faster isn't what you will remember, How fast you bombed down the fast bits is something you will have for a long time.

    They really don't roll that bad ( sure I wouldn't choose them for an XC race ) But man the grip on the corners is awesome.

    If I could only take the 1 set of wheels & tires away it would be the 2.3 DHR2 for the rear & the 2.3 DHF for the front.
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    Jenson has some decent deals going on with Niners right nwo
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    I was just up that area, and heard great things about Steamboat, although I've never ridden there. I did 4 lift days - one at Sol Vista, one at Winter Park, one at Breckenridge, and one at Keystone. Sol Vista was a short day and i got there early and was just fartin' around - and I'd pass on that place if up there again. Winter Park has some incredible lift riding, although it is a ways from where you'll be (btw, i was up there a week before the EWS, and saw a Yeti truck over on the Mary Jane side, so there may have been some scouting going on before that race...) Breckenridge lift riding is pretty weak, but Keystone is totally rad if you're looking to ride the lifts.

    So yeah, if you're thinking of hitting lifts in Summit county, i can attest to Keystone probably having the best lift-accessible trails in the area. There are plenty of trails that are used in the Breck epic too, but i didnt feel like slogging uphill at altitude so i just cheated and rode lifts all day.

    I agree with Muzz too with respect to tires that are a little more aggressive - i beefed up before i went and it was the right choice. The cool thing was being able to practice extended fast downhill runs and getting better and better. You're going to have a ton of fun.

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    Thanks for all the advice and riding tips. I got the DHR II and DHF tires mounted last night on the Enve AMs. They mounted and sealed up very easily. Their reported weights are really not much different than the Ardent and High Roller II.

    Now I've got to pack the Rip 9 RDO safely in my BIKND helium air-cushioned case and will work on that today and tomorrow. I head off to Colorado Friday and will try and post some pics next week.

    Really looking forward to trying out the Rip on some terrain that it was really built for.

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    I ride mostly XC, with the occasional trip to the mountains. I'm not looking for overkill but I'm certainly not looking for incapable either. Wondering if a Jet RDO on a 120mm fork could handle the occasional trail when the going gets tough?

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    Yes. It'll handle it well. 120/100 is a great fast, responsive XC/trail setup.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Yes you would be surprised just how well a Well set up Jet9RDO will go in the ruff.

    I really was surprised what it could soak up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jubei30 View Post
    I ride mostly XC, with the occasional trip to the mountains. I'm not looking for overkill but I'm certainly not looking for incapable either. Wondering if a Jet RDO on a 120mm fork could handle the occasional trail when the going gets tough?
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    Don't think twice about taking this bike thru the rough stuff. Setup right and dialed in with a 120 fork makes this bike very capable. You will be amazed how smooth it feels going thru some fast technical terrain. When I first rode mine, smiles all over my face. And I imagine, with the new Pike fork, this bike would kill!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jubei30 View Post
    I ride mostly XC, with the occasional trip to the mountains. I'm not looking for overkill but I'm certainly not looking for incapable either. Wondering if a Jet RDO on a 120mm fork could handle the occasional trail when the going gets tough?
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    I rode these 2 bikes back to back at a recent demo day at our local trails. I was surprised at how well the JET took some of the rough stuff. I could climb very well and still cruise through some of the tougher sections.

    That said, I'm picking up a RIP 9 this weekend. I don't race anymore and like the HA and got a price I couldn't pass up.

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    Just a follow up. I have the RIP 9 RDO out in Colorado now with the Minions installed. Rode Beaver Creek today but there is currently no lift access, so it was a bit of a slog climbing up. I then crisscrossed the mountain for a while and then descended. The bike was ridiculously good and I was actively seeking out rougher, rockier parts of the trail, but it just soaked it all up. The Jet 9 RDO would have been fine on the climb and the cross-country bits, but it was sure nice having the RIP for the downhill and rougher sections.

    Muzz - thanks for the tire recommendation.

    Tomorrow should be a bit more of a test. Hitting Vail Pass for this ride:

    Bowmans Shortcut To Vail Mountain Bike Trail, Red Cliff, CO

    Here's a shot from up on the Village to Village trail after a lot of climbing. Notice the gear selection...

    Jet 9 RDO vs. RIP 9 RDO-rip-9-rdo-beaver-creek.jpg

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    That a sweet looking bike.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kuttermax View Post
    Just a follow up. I have the RIP 9 RDO out in Colorado now with the Minions installed. Rode Beaver Creek today but there is currently no lift access, so it was a bit of a slog climbing up. I then crisscrossed the mountain for a while and then descended. The bike was ridiculously good and I was actively seeking out rougher, rockier parts of the trail, but it just soaked it all up. The Jet 9 RDO would have been fine on the climb and the cross-country bits, but it was sure nice having the RIP for the downhill and rougher sections.

    Muzz - thanks for the tire recommendation.

    Tomorrow should be a bit more of a test. Hitting Vail Pass for this ride:

    Bowmans Shortcut To Vail Mountain Bike Trail, Red Cliff, CO

    Here's a shot from up on the Village to Village trail after a lot of climbing. Notice the gear selection...

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    Would anyone who has moved from a J9 RDO to RIP 9 RDO give pause using it in a 50mi race or a stage race like the Pisgah Stage race or BC Bike race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    Would anyone who has moved from a J9 RDO to RIP 9 RDO give pause using it in a 50mi race or a stage race like the Pisgah Stage race or BC Bike race?
    You may even find that in a 50 mile race the Rip9 RDO will look after your body more & be faster over all because of it.
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    i remember seeing that one of the niner sponsored races just did the bc bike stage race and finished really high. He was on a rip9 rdo
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    Music to my aging body.

    Thinking of dropping my Med J9 RDO to a Small RIP 9 RDO. I'm 5'7" and was always on the fence of what size I should be riding.

    I'm starting to think I'd get a more maneuverable bike, more travel and better tech performance dropping down a size with a RIP 9 than I have now with the bigger racier J9 which is a rocket on the UPs and undulating terrain, but I struggle with it when I head to the BIG Mtns or really fast, tight downs.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    Music to my aging body.

    Thinking of dropping my Med J9 RDO to a Small RIP 9 RDO. I'm 5'7" and was always on the fence of what size I should be riding.

    I'm starting to think I'd get a more maneuverable bike, more travel and better tech performance dropping down a size with a RIP 9 than I have now with the bigger racier J9 which is a rocket on the UPs and undulating terrain, but I struggle with it when I head to the BIG Mtns or really fast, tight downs.

    Thanks
    I have Med J9 RDO, and got a small RIP 9 RDO. I'm also 5'7". No regrets about getting the small. While not current (changed to a Pike 150 and wider rims now), here's a pic:


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    Quote Originally Posted by cytoe View Post
    I have Med J9 RDO, and got a small RIP 9 RDO. I'm also 5'7". No regrets about getting the small. While not current (changed to a Pike 150 and wider rims now), here's a pic:

    Nice.

    A little off topic, but how do you like that Trailmaster LTD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Nice.

    A little off topic, but how do you like that Trailmaster LTD?
    The seat is very comfortable. I did have an issue with it making creak/squeaking noises though. I figured out the noises were coming from 2 areas; the nose and one of the rear rail/seat junctions. The rear rail/seat shell connection had movement, so I fixed it by applying some Rhino glue. The noise at the nose was caused by the plastic plate covering the rail/shell connection rubbing the leather. I fixed that by trimming the plate with a dremel so it did not make contact with the seat rail (so it would not be pushed into the leather). My arse is happy and I have silence now

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    All this talk about the 2 bikes + my riding style is more along RIP these days; has me thinking strongly about selling my Jet 9 RDO. I have an early 2014 Licorice XL frame with very low mileage - I don't think this frame has more than 300 miles on it. I was going to sell it with the Fox 34 Float (140mm with a 20mm reducer in it). Was thinking about $2850 for the frame, fork, reverb (R. handed top/L. handed bottom mount) and shock. Does that sound about a fair price?
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    I present the current state of my Jet9RDO "Evo" build... LB 27mm hookless wheelset was literally tensioned and trued this evening...

    1499g, 27mm hookless LB/AM Classic/BHS-Bitex wheelset
    740mm Renthal Fatbar Carbon handlebar
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    120mm Fox 32 CTD FIT Adj Kashima
    RockShox Reverb 100mm dropper
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    2.3 Purgatory Control (front)
    2.3 Ground Control (rear)
    XO/X9 drivetrain
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    XT brakes (180/160 or 180/180, haven't decided yet)
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    Nice bike.

    I always ran a 180mm rear disc on the rear of my RDO's, I just think you get a little more control than with the 160mm rotor.

    I really like the green but have always wished that the green & the black on the frame were the other way around.



    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    I present the current state of my Jet9RDO "Evo" build... LB 27mm hookless wheelset was literally tensioned and trued this evening...

    1499g, 27mm hookless LB/AM Classic/BHS-Bitex wheelset
    740mm Renthal Fatbar Carbon handlebar
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    120mm Fox 32 CTD FIT Adj Kashima
    RockShox Reverb 100mm dropper
    Bontrager Evoke RXL Carbon rail saddle
    2.3 Purgatory Control (front)
    2.3 Ground Control (rear)
    XO/X9 drivetrain
    XO crankset
    XT brakes (180/160 or 180/180, haven't decided yet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Nice bike.

    I always ran a 180mm rear disc on the rear of my RDO's, I just think you get a little more control than with the 160mm rotor.

    I really like the green but have always wished that the green & the black on the frame were the other way around.

    I am getting rid of my 160 rear on my RIP rdo for a 180 and might swap out the front 180 for a 203.

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    Thanks. This is the most labor intensive build I've ever done. From pressing in a PF30 BB to hand building wheels, I learned A LOT on this build.

    I was literally debating back and forth between the J9RDO and R9RDO when I bought this... Ultimately, I got a better deal on the J9RDO and already had a 31.6 Reverb dropper that needed a home. (Odd the Jet and Rip use different seatpost diameters... Most other Niner's are 31.6)

    I liked the idea of a 120mm XC bike, but have a 1x10, 150/140 650b AM/trail bike. So I felt I needed to keep this biker closer to XC (purpose built for the chunky and steep XC trails of CO).

    This is pretty much a dream build for me. I got married in June and were just now combining finances and all of that stuff, so I had to get this thing bought and paid for before everything was 'our' $$$$ B)
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I really like the green but have always wished that the green & the black on the frame were the other way around.
    I agree. Having the black "inside" and green "outside" would add nice contrast to back wheels/tires, stem and seat post.

    Oh well, just glad it's not all black. I'm bored with the stealth/murdered look.

    Love, love, LOVE the R9RDO blue!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    I am getting rid of my 160 rear on my RIP rdo for a 180 and might swap out the front 180 for a 203.
    (record scratch) Wait a minute.. while I should be able to go 180 on the rear it looks like the max a Pike will take is 200. Isn't 203mm the 'standard' size in the 200 realm? Is this just a case of Rock Shox/Sram rounding the number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    (record scratch) Wait a minute.. while I should be able to go 180 on the rear it looks like the max a Pike will take is 200. Isn't 203mm the 'standard' size in the 200 realm? Is this just a case of Rock Shox/Sram rounding the number?
    Yes, you'll be fine with any 8" rotor... 203 mm = 7.9921"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubei30 View Post
    I ride mostly XC, with the occasional trip to the mountains. I'm not looking for overkill but I'm certainly not looking for incapable either. Wondering if a Jet RDO on a 120mm fork could handle the occasional trail when the going gets tough?
    The J9RDO turns into a really capable trail bike with a 120 up front. I moved to WA from TX and swapped the sid XX WC 100 for a 120 revelation and love what it did to the geometry and ride feel. Just completed the Breck Epic on it and there was nothing that it couldn't handle. There were some very rough sections of the Colorado Trail we rode over that were surprisingly fun and fast on this set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdelbusto View Post
    The J9RDO turns into a really capable trail bike with a 120 up front. I moved to WA from TX and swapped the sid XX WC 100 for a 120 revelation and love what it did to the geometry and ride feel. Just completed the Breck Epic on it and there was nothing that it couldn't handle. There were some very rough sections of the Colorado Trail we rode over that were surprisingly fun and fast on this set up.
    Was your J9RDO green? I was watching the pics and daily feeds on mtbr and saw a nice green/black J9RDO like mine.

    I, too, feel a 120/100 XC bike is a fun & fast ride. (But also have a burlier, 150mm 650b slayer in the stable). I also run a dropper, which it seemed was the case with many of the bikes at the Breck Epic.

    More bike porn, just completed the build tonight:
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    For me, two things split the difference. 1. I kept second guessing my choice of a Jet on the terrain of my favorite trails and 2. I couldn't get the Jet in the color I wanted! Vanity...

    Rip is on order and I'm going freakin bonkers waiting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Was your J9RDO green? I was watching the pics and daily feeds on mtbr and saw a nice green/black J9RDO like mine.

    I, too, feel a 120/100 XC bike is a fun & fast ride. (But also have a burlier, 150mm 650b slayer in the stable). I also run a dropper, which it seemed was the case with many of the bikes at the Breck Epic.

    More bike porn, just completed the build tonight:

    Yeah, mine is Green with a black 2012 revelation fork. No dropper post, though. I had been running a Sid XX WC in green. It's perfect for a quick 2 hr race, but not really for 5 hrs a day for 6 days. 2012 revelation is adjustable from 90-120 and super plush (single-air are not). So, it's perfect for extended tech climbs (90mm) and also for long fast descents (120mm). You can see a couple of my videos below. Neither of them are of the rough parts of the trail...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUyE...ZqF38k5K7cEq6g
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpn...ZqF38k5K7cEq6g

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    I might be pushing it here but has anyone tried to put a 130mm fork on a Jet9 RDO?

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    Rip9 RDO vs Jet9 RDO (and Yeti SB-95c)

    Quote Originally Posted by pdelbusto View Post
    The J9RDO turns into a really capable trail bike with a 120 up front. I moved to WA from TX and swapped the sid XX WC 100 for a 120 revelation and love what it did to the geometry and ride feel. Just completed the Breck Epic on it and there was nothing that it couldn't handle. There were some very rough sections of the Colorado Trail we rode over that were surprisingly fun and fast on this set up.
    Thanks, that is really helpful information. I am trying to decide... In any case fork is going to be 120 mm, so the rip and jet and the same geometry basically with that fork, so the only real difference being weight/frame stiffness and rear travel. Sounds like the suspension on the Jet RDO is really good for 100 mm, I like to set my suspension pretty soft, and ride the Colorado Front Range, and the high country, with many sections of the Colorado trail being among my favorite rides.
    I am leaning towards the new Jet9 RDO with a 120 fork, and bit a bigger front tire, seems like a great do all XC/trail bike for my riding style, I am not an "enduro" type rider, and prefer efficiency on long rides with big climbs, not planning on any more racing though... The slacker geometry of the Yeti also appeals to me, but it seems to be a bit more bike than I really need.

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    pdelbusto I did the same thing. The new Revelation 120 w/ 51 offset was very nice. It also changed my expectations of the bike too. The RDO was never going to be a race bike for me. No matter how much money I threw at it. Now it's a great trail bike that climbs well.

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    If Rockshox makes the 120mm Pike available, it could be a really interesting option on the Jet 9 RDO. I'm riding with a 120mm Loop on my Jet 9 RDO and it is very good, but I suspect the Pike would be even better.

    I recently had my RIP 9 RDO with 140mm Pike out in Colorado (Vail, Beavercreek, Steamboat) and after getting the suspension dialed (thanks Muzz for the tips), it was pretty incredible. It absolutely soaked up all the trail chatter, rocks, and ruts with ease and was super comfortable on some of the long rides. I was running Minions and struggled on some of the climbs, such a Bowmans Short to Vail (Bowmans Shortcut To Vail Mountain Bike Trail, Red Cliff, CO) but I think this may have had more to do with the altitude adjustment for me than the bike. Valley View at Steamboat (Valley View Mountain Bike Trail, Steamboat Springs, CO) was one of my favorite trails on this bike with a mix of descending and cross-country with some rocks and roots thrown in.

    After returning from Vail I jumped back on my Jet 9 RDO and the difference was really apparent. Quicker, snappier handling on the Jet but lacking the "soaking up the trail" feeling that the RIP 9 offered. This is where I wonder how good a Jet 9 RDO would be as a trail bike with the awesome Pike on the front?

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    The Jet9 RDO is still an awesome bike, Setup as a trail bike I have always been surprised at just how good it can be under a good rider.

    It has been very interesting among friends playing on down hill runs with the Jet9 RDO, Rip9 RDO & WFO & in short, If you have the Balls to ride the Hell out of the Jet9 RDO you can beat the Rip9 & WFO on the down's but it is a hell ride ( Fun )

    However the lesser riders are much faster on the bigger bikes because you can just keep pushing to your limit & not get punished.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kuttermax View Post
    If Rockshox makes the 120mm Pike available, it could be a really interesting option on the Jet 9 RDO. I'm riding with a 120mm Loop on my Jet 9 RDO and it is very good, but I suspect the Pike would be even better.
    I recently had my RIP 9 RDO with 140mm Pike out in Colorado (Vail, Beavercreek, Steamboat) and after getting the suspension dialed (thanks Muzz for the tips), it was pretty incredible. It absolutely soaked up all the trail chatter, rocks, and ruts with ease and was super comfortable on some of the long rides. I was running Minions and struggled on some of the climbs, such a Bowmans Short to Vail (Bowmans Shortcut To Vail Mountain Bike Trail, Red Cliff, CO) but I think this may have had more to do with the altitude adjustment for me than the bike. Valley View at Steamboat (Valley View Mountain Bike Trail, Steamboat Springs, CO) was one of my favorite trails on this bike with a mix of descending and cross-country with some rocks and roots thrown in.

    After returning from Vail I jumped back on my Jet 9 RDO and the difference was really apparent. Quicker, snappier handling on the Jet but lacking the "soaking up the trail" feeling that the RIP 9 offered. This is where I wonder how good a Jet 9 RDO would be as a trail bike with the awesome Pike on the front?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdelbusto View Post
    Yeah, mine is Green with a black 2012 revelation fork. No dropper post, though. I had been running a Sid XX WC in green. It's perfect for a quick 2 hr race, but not really for 5 hrs a day for 6 days. 2012 revelation is adjustable from 90-120 and super plush (single-air are not). So, it's perfect for extended tech climbs (90mm) and also for long fast descents (120mm). You can see a couple of my videos below. Neither of them are of the rough parts of the trail...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUyE...ZqF38k5K7cEq6g
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpn...ZqF38k5K7cEq6g

    Awesome vids...thx for sharing.

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    Hi guys!

    I have just registered because i want to ask all of you(owners of RIPs and/or JETs) a question, and that is: JET 9 RDO or RIP 9 RDO?

    i know what you all are going to say(e.g. read the thread, check reviews, etc) but, bear with me for a little because things go deeper than it seems(or at least, this is what i want to believe)

    ex. bikes: only one, a 1300 USD(or whatever the currency) german brand Focus hT 29er bought at a sale with 900 USD -> really liked that bike; the sense of security, the rollover ability. All in all, a pretty poor spec but it got me back into MTB; i've done a couple of XC races, always being in the first 25-30% at the finish line.

    all good until here but, by the end of November, last year, being sucked into all this #ENDURO movement, i decided that i need to explore the mountains more and that i need at least 150 mm of travel; opportunity arise when someone from an automotive forum i'm currently following(the forum, not the person) had for sale a Specialized Pitch Pro - 2011 model; i sold the Focus and, after some complications due to the distance(diff countries, 3000 miles apart i think) btw me and the former owner, i got my Specialized. It was in almost brand new condition. The guys from my LBS couldn't believe that this is how a second-hand bike could look like. From talking with the former owner, he had done less than 300 miles on it.

    current bike: only one: a near impecable Specialized Pitch Pro, 140mm Pike on the front, 150 mm on the back with the help of one decent Fox RP2, SLX (36/22) + x9(11-34) + some weird Avid Elixir 4 with 203 mm on the front and 185 on the back.

    all this year, with this bike, i did all sorts of trails...with the 'old gang' i have done XC/marathon type of rides(where i was among the slowest of them on the up-hills but much faster on the downs) and with a 'new gang' - AM/Enduro-ish type of riders i have done all sorts of trails, from marathon to DH tracks(where again, i was the slowest on the ups and, this time around, slowest(almost) on the downs as well); that meant more training for me in order to be able to keep up with them at least on ups;on the downs, it is all about technique and experience IMO);

    my problem is...i miss the speed that came with 29" wheels...i miss the rollover ability and the secure feel that a big bike was offering me but also, being able to step on the pedals and crush all my riding mates in sprints, on flats or ups. The Pitch is a good bike but i do not dig the position on the bike, i hate that the 26" wheels get so much deflection by rocks, roots, etc and no matter how hard i try, it is really slow when pointing up; i must mention that, most of my rides are loops up to 40-45 miles or cross mountains up to 50-60 miles; bottom line is, i just want a tank with a decent cornering and power to get me on those ups without consuming a tone of energy.

    future bike(i hope): accidentally, i have discovered some good deals on:

    JET 9 RDO, RIP 9 RDO and SC Tallboy LTc

    in the meantime(aka, in 2 days) the SC seem to have depleted the 2013 stock so, i have only the option of a JET 9 RDO or a RIP 9 RDO.

    I have spoken with the representative from the shop and he recommended me the RIP.

    The thing is, I've read that the JET is a stiff bike with great climbing capabilities. In my mind, I was envisioning it as an XCM FS bike, with a mad trail bike build(AM wheels, 2.3/2.4 inch tires, 60-70 mm stem, 760 mm bar, reverb and a Saint group set - 32 or 34 ring, 11-34 cassette, medium cage + saint brakes(203mm front, 180mm rear)); this would be pretty much the build on the RIP, only difference being the fork which, in the case of RIP, it will be a 140 or 150 PIKE; by the way, it is ok to put 150 mm of front suspension on the RIP?

    what doesn't help is the fact that i like the way the JET frame looks, more than i like the RIP and that, from what i can tell, the reach of a RIP is really short; i hate that; the Pitch has a reach of 425 mm and i find it too short; i feel like i'm over the bike instead of 'in bike/one with the bike'. i like the plunged feel, stretched over the bike in an aggressive "attack" position.

    Now, because for me just the cost of the frame will be a lot to bear, i cannot make a mistake and sell the bike after i will finish building it(sometimes next april/may due to lack of funding); i need to choose the perfect bike from the start; the problem is, i can't seem to decide which one is best(for me) and also i couldn't incline the balance in one way or the other by researching the forums;

    that is why i need to ask, considering all written above, the type of trail i usually ride(30-40% XC, 30-40% AM/Enduro-ish, 15% big mountain and 5-10% DH) what is the best bike from the two?, it is the JET or the RIP?

    one more question, about sizing: on their website, Niner said that S frames are up to 5.9 and that M are from 5.8 and above; the shop have only S-size JETs and all available sizes for RIPs; which one is the one that fits my heigh?; i have an insem of 30-31(i guess, not really sure), a 5.8 sharp height and a weight of 180-185 lbs fully equipped.

    Looking forward for your advices and guidance if possible.

    With best regards,
    Eugen

    p.s. sorry for the long post but, i felt the need to try and explain everything clearly.

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    Hi

    I ride Jet9 RDO, Rip9 Alloy, Rip9 RDO & WFO9 all the time & from reading your post I think that Hands down the Rip9 is the bike for you.

    Not so clear is Rip9 Alloy or Rip9 RDO, I have both.

    On a big dollar build I would all ways go for the Rip9 RDO, However I would give up my Carbon frame before my Pike fork & carbon wheels.

    So what is your budget ?

    A Rip9 Alloy with Pike & Carbon wheels like Derby is a very good bike.

    I think you should go med frame.



    Quote Originally Posted by EugenM View Post
    Hi guys!

    I have just registered because i want to ask all of you(owners of RIPs and/or JETs) a question, and that is: JET 9 RDO or RIP 9 RDO?

    i know what you all are going to say(e.g. read the thread, check reviews, etc) but, bear with me for a little because things go deeper than it seems(or at least, this is what i want to believe)

    ex. bikes: only one, a 1300 USD(or whatever the currency) german brand Focus hT 29er bought at a sale with 900 USD -> really liked that bike; the sense of security, the rollover ability. All in all, a pretty poor spec but it got me back into MTB; i've done a couple of XC races, always being in the first 25-30% at the finish line.

    all good until here but, by the end of November, last year, being sucked into all this #ENDURO movement, i decided that i need to explore the mountains more and that i need at least 150 mm of travel; opportunity arise when someone from an automotive forum i'm currently following(the forum, not the person) had for sale a Specialized Pitch Pro - 2011 model; i sold the Focus and, after some complications due to the distance(diff countries, 3000 miles apart i think) btw me and the former owner, i got my Specialized. It was in almost brand new condition. The guys from my LBS couldn't believe that this is how a second-hand bike could look like. From talking with the former owner, he had done less than 300 miles on it.

    current bike: only one: a near impecable Specialized Pitch Pro, 140mm Pike on the front, 150 mm on the back with the help of one decent Fox RP2, SLX (36/22) + x9(11-34) + some weird Avid Elixir 4 with 203 mm on the front and 185 on the back.

    all this year, with this bike, i did all sorts of trails...with the 'old gang' i have done XC/marathon type of rides(where i was among the slowest of them on the up-hills but much faster on the downs) and with a 'new gang' - AM/Enduro-ish type of riders i have done all sorts of trails, from marathon to DH tracks(where again, i was the slowest on the ups and, this time around, slowest(almost) on the downs as well); that meant more training for me in order to be able to keep up with them at least on ups;on the downs, it is all about technique and experience IMO);

    my problem is...i miss the speed that came with 29" wheels...i miss the rollover ability and the secure feel that a big bike was offering me but also, being able to step on the pedals and crush all my riding mates in sprints, on flats or ups. The Pitch is a good bike but i do not dig the position on the bike, i hate that the 26" wheels get so much deflection by rocks, roots, etc and no matter how hard i try, it is really slow when pointing up; i must mention that, most of my rides are loops up to 40-45 miles or cross mountains up to 50-60 miles; bottom line is, i just want a tank with a decent cornering and power to get me on those ups without consuming a tone of energy.

    future bike(i hope): accidentally, i have discovered some good deals on:

    JET 9 RDO, RIP 9 RDO and SC Tallboy LTc

    in the meantime(aka, in 2 days) the SC seem to have depleted the 2013 stock so, i have only the option of a JET 9 RDO or a RIP 9 RDO.

    I have spoken with the representative from the shop and he recommended me the RIP.

    The thing is, I've read that the JET is a stiff bike with great climbing capabilities. In my mind, I was envisioning it as an XCM FS bike, with a mad trail bike build(AM wheels, 2.3/2.4 inch tires, 60-70 mm stem, 760 mm bar, reverb and a Saint group set - 32 or 34 ring, 11-34 cassette, medium cage + saint brakes(203mm front, 180mm rear)); this would be pretty much the build on the RIP, only difference being the fork which, in the case of RIP, it will be a 140 or 150 PIKE; by the way, it is ok to put 150 mm of front suspension on the RIP?

    what doesn't help is the fact that i like the way the JET frame looks, more than i like the RIP and that, from what i can tell, the reach of a RIP is really short; i hate that; the Pitch has a reach of 425 mm and i find it too short; i feel like i'm over the bike instead of 'in bike/one with the bike'. i like the plunged feel, stretched over the bike in an aggressive "attack" position.

    Now, because for me just the cost of the frame will be a lot to bear, i cannot make a mistake and sell the bike after i will finish building it(sometimes next april/may due to lack of funding); i need to choose the perfect bike from the start; the problem is, i can't seem to decide which one is best(for me) and also i couldn't incline the balance in one way or the other by researching the forums;

    that is why i need to ask, considering all written above, the type of trail i usually ride(30-40% XC, 30-40% AM/Enduro-ish, 15% big mountain and 5-10% DH) what is the best bike from the two?, it is the JET or the RIP?

    one more question, about sizing: on their website, Niner said that S frames are up to 5.9 and that M are from 5.8 and above; the shop have only S-size JETs and all available sizes for RIPs; which one is the one that fits my heigh?; i have an insem of 30-31(i guess, not really sure), a 5.8 sharp height and a weight of 180-185 lbs fully equipped.

    Looking forward for your advices and guidance if possible.

    With best regards,
    Eugen

    p.s. sorry for the long post but, i felt the need to try and explain everything clearly.
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    I'm certain Muzz will jump in here but from what you describe to me there is no question that the RIP 9 RDO would be the best and most versatile option. You'll be able to tune the character of the bike to the type of trails you are setting up for. Just changing out to different tires will add a lot of flexibility.

    The 140 mm Pike is a great fit for the bike and works well both for xc/enduro/or some downhill.

    I would lead to a larger sized frame based on what you said. So if you are between S and M, go with the medium. Stem and handlebar choices will help you tune a ride position you feel comfortable with.



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    Hi guys and thank you for your fast responses.

    Basically, from what i can tell, you guys are matching the sales rep. reco. - RIP9 and M size.

    I will buy just the frame now and, slowly, i will get the other components -> sale hunting on EU discount bike/parts online-shops. Just getting the frame from US to EU it will be a hassle enough; i will not do the same thing with components.

    I am curious to know if anyone ever tried a longer fork on the RIP?; i wouldn't go further than 150 mm but, idk, i'm just being curious in case i want to have a slacken HT angle and get into some local Enduro races next year.

    probably, if you put a longer fork than Niner's reco, it voids the warranty and i'm sure that no one wants to be in that position but, maybe, 'someone heard from some friend's friend who knew some guy who did that' ...i'm curious about the behavior of the bike with a slacken angle and more front travel.

    edit. to be honest, i was hoping that someone who has experienced both to send me towards the JET; but i guess is not the case; if only that JET frame wouldn't look so damn fine, elegant but sportive/racing-ish

    p.s. also, you guys can assure me that, on the ups, if you have the legs, the diff btw JET and RIP is not that big; i really do want to be able to keep with my more XC race oriented friends and their 22-25 lbs HT bikes but, be able to follow on the downs my new found buddies that do AM/Enduro style rides.

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    There are plenty of people running a 150mm fork but I am more than satisfied with my 140mm Pike. You can probably find some posts from folks running the 150mm in the RIP setup thread (it's a sticky so it's at the top of the Niner forum page).

    I am 5'11" and ride a medium but it's all personal preference when you are on the fringe of 2 sizes.

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    I had a 150 Pike on my alu-RIP. I liked it, but it ultimately led to me getting a bike with more rear travel...the whole "fork writing checks the rear end can't cash" thing applied here.

    I did notice that it didn't climb as well as when I had a the 140 air shaft in. Front end wanted to flop a little bit.

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    I don't buy into the whole fork writhing checks the rear can't cash so much, There are plenty of people doing a great job of ridding hard tails with 140mm forks & that has to be a lot harder to ride than 150mm front & 125mm rear.

    I have noticed that all bikes react the same until someone gets on & rides them LOL.

    For what it is worth there are people that just buy the wrong bike Travel wise for them & just adding more fork won't fix that fact.

    However like fork to like fork going from 140mm to 150mm when taking sag into account only adds 7mm so it nether changes the Head angle that much or raises the front end all that much.

    I also don't buy into the buying a bike that only suits 10% of your ridding.

    It is true that the longer travel bikes have come along way & are not the slugs they once were, However there is the fact that the big travel bikes do suck the life out of most tracks that don't need a long travel.

    There are a heap of people that have fallen into the mistake of buying the short chain stay long travel 29ers that have had to have the seat tube moved so much further forward to get the rear wheel to clear it, That when you crunch the real numbers you are not anywhere near as far over the rear wheel as you would be on the likes of the Rip9.

    I often ride the Jet9 RDO, Rip9 Alloy, Rip9 RDO & WFO back to back & for sure you have to have your brain much more on the Job on the shorter travel bikes than the WFO, But it is suprising just how good a job you can do with less travel.

    On the Flip side of this I have also noticed that all the lesser riders find a big jump in what they can do on the longer travel bike as apposed to the shorter travel.

    So people need to be honest with them self at were there ridding is & were they can get it to.

    It is nice to have all options



    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    I had a 150 Pike on my alu-RIP. I liked it, but it ultimately led to me getting a bike with more rear travel...the whole "fork writing checks the rear end can't cash" thing applied here.

    I did notice that it didn't climb as well as when I had a the 140 air shaft in. Front end wanted to flop a little bit.
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    this is what i am trying...to be honest with myself about the bike i want and need.

    for 2 months, i keept navigating/gravitating around two names; YT Industries Capra and Canyon Strive CF 8.0; i was convinced that i need an #ENDURO bike; the problem is, i do mostly long(epic :P ) courses with my friends(e,g. 30 to 60 miles), either loops or cross-mountains; for these an enduro/big mountain bike is useful only 10-20% of the time; for the rest of the time, they are an overkill - some of my friends are doing these courses on HTs, so you can imagine -; so, a 160 mm travel bike would have been good for only 30-40% of my general riding time; but an absolute overkill for the rest of my rides/riding.

    that is why i re-evaluate my necesities...in the end...a FS 29er, around 130 mm travel would be perfect. even though I don't have a good opinion on dual position forks, it could be usefull(140 and 120 for instance); that is why the long post above..that is why a decision btw JET9, RIP9 and SC Tallboy LTc.

    Anyway...thanks for your imput guys; i will wait to have the answer on the frame size as well from Niner and, after that, i will 'act'

    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by EugenM View Post
    this is what i am trying...to be honest with myself about the bike i want and need.

    for 2 months, i keept navigating/gravitating around two names; YT Industries Capra and Canyon Strive CF 8.0; i was convinced that i need an #ENDURO bike; the problem is, i do mostly long(epic :P ) courses with my friends(e,g. 30 to 60 miles), either loops or cross-mountains; for these an enduro/big mountain bike is useful only 10-20% of the time; for the rest of the time, they are an overkill - some of my friends are doing these courses on HTs, so you can imagine -; so, a 160 mm travel bike would have been good for only 30-40% of my general riding time; but an absolute overkill for the rest of my rides/riding.

    that is why i re-evaluate my necesities...in the end...a FS 29er, around 130 mm travel would be perfect. even though I don't have a good opinion on dual position forks, it could be usefull(140 and 120 for instance); that is why the long post above..that is why a decision btw JET9, RIP9 and SC Tallboy LTc.

    Anyway...thanks for your imput guys; i will wait to have the answer on the frame size as well from Niner and, after that, i will 'act'

    cheers,
    Eugen
    I am struggling with similar issues. I am considering Jet 9 RDO vs. Yeti SB-95c, and have decided that the Jet9 RDO makes more sense, set up with a 120 fork and a bit bigger front tire. I know I can ride all the trails with the 100 mm out back, and that even with 100 mm it will be pretty comfortable as well. The pound of weight savings will be nice on 3K climbs 9000' to 1200' or so, and climbing steep, rough single track at high altitude will be easier without the rear end settling so far into its travel (I like to keep suspension fully active for this type of climb for traction reasons). Yes, I'll give up a little speed on descents, but I have the skills to manage.
    My riding does not include big drops, or sizable tech sections, excepting the occasional Moab adventure, and I am not interested in lift served riding at all. The big hit longer travel bike just does not justify itself for what I do 95% of the time. I see lots of folks riding 5" and 6" travel bikes on XC terrain, as this appears to be the trend these days, but they really seem "over biked" to me, and I pass them quite often, up and and down. I think it is important to really be honest about what you need, and avoid the bike industry hype and fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrows View Post
    I am struggling with similar issues. I am considering Jet 9 RDO vs. Yeti SB-95c
    Wouldn't that be better suited as Rip9 RDO vs SB95c?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I don't buy into the whole fork writhing checks the rear can't cash so much, There are plenty of people doing a great job of ridding hard tails with 140mm forks & that has to be a lot harder to ride than 150mm front & 125mm rear.
    This is a non-starter for me. You can't compare a hardtail with a 5 or 6" bike. It's why the two exist separately - ROS =/= RIP just because you can run a 140mm fork on both. You ride them completely differently, regardless of geometry. Once I went to 150 (7mm or not, one can feel a big difference), I started riding harder, bottoming out my rear. Increased pressure, too harsh. Could not find a feel that matched that of the fork, without setting like 10% sag on the Pike, then the whole bike felt like crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I also don't buy into the buying a bike that only suits 10% of your ridding.

    It is true that the longer travel bikes have come along way & are not the slugs they once were, However there is the fact that the big travel bikes do suck the life out of most tracks that don't need a long travel.
    I don't have a problem with dialing in different sag settings for different trails. Obviously, having a stable of purpose built bikes is ideal, but that's not a reality for most. My geometry isn't right for a lot of the stuff I ride (can't change that on the Lenz), but I didn't buy the bike that that reason. I bought it to get 100% of the fun I can out of the 10% of riding I enjoy most.

    People will have to decide what's important for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    There are a heap of people that have fallen into the mistake of buying the short chain stay long travel 29ers that have had to have the seat tube moved so much further forward to get the rear wheel to clear it, That when you crunch the real numbers you are not anywhere near as far over the rear wheel as you would be on the likes of the Rip9.
    This is a non-starter, too. I couldn't care less where my saddle is when I'm not sitting on it, as long as it's out of the way. Short chain stays are about BB to rear axle and, if you want to talk about something that matters besides the chain stay length itself, talk about the distance from your bars to your rear axle. Top tube, stem length, and bar width have more to do with where your weight is and whether or not you're taking full advantage of a bike with short chain stays.

    I think we can both agree, though, that one measurement doesn't mean diddly squat by itself. I just think you're barking up the wrong tree when you start talking about seat tube angles as if they have anything to do with why companies make short chain stay bikes. Hint: it's not for anything you're supposed to do while seated...

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    If you are happy having a bike that doesn't suit 90% of your ridding because you enjoy the other 10% so much more, then good for you.

    But trying to be smart & pointing out that were your seat is doesn't matter when your not sitting on it isn't helpful for most.

    (Maybe if you were doing much more ridding miles on the stuff you do like you might find the seat more important ) Or maybe I'm just getting old, But there is no way in hell I could do a 5 or 6 hour ride standing up.

    What you say about stems, bars for it are true, but that is just stuff that can be changed so easy & also affects short people much more so than me.



    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    This is a non-starter for me. You can't compare a hardtail with a 5 or 6" bike. It's why the two exist separately - ROS =/= RIP just because you can run a 140mm fork on both. You ride them completely differently, regardless of geometry. Once I went to 150 (7mm or not, one can feel a big difference), I started riding harder, bottoming out my rear. Increased pressure, too harsh. Could not find a feel that matched that of the fork, without setting like 10% sag on the Pike, then the whole bike felt like crap.


    I don't have a problem with dialing in different sag settings for different trails. Obviously, having a stable of purpose built bikes is ideal, but that's not a reality for most. My geometry isn't right for a lot of the stuff I ride (can't change that on the Lenz), but I didn't buy the bike that that reason. I bought it to get 100% of the fun I can out of the 10% of riding I enjoy most.

    People will have to decide what's important for themselves.



    This is a non-starter, too. I couldn't care less where my saddle is when I'm not sitting on it, as long as it's out of the way. Short chain stays are about BB to rear axle and, if you want to talk about something that matters besides the chain stay length itself, talk about the distance from your bars to your rear axle. Top tube, stem length, and bar width have more to do with where your weight is and whether or not you're taking full advantage of a bike with short chain stays.

    I think we can both agree, though, that one measurement doesn't mean diddly squat by itself. I just think you're barking up the wrong tree when you start talking about seat tube angles as if they have anything to do with why companies make short chain stay bikes. Hint: it's not for anything you're supposed to do while seated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    If you are happy having a bike that doesn't suit 90% of your ridding because you enjoy the other 10% so much more, then good for you.

    But trying to be smart & pointing out that were your seat is doesn't matter when your not sitting on it isn't helpful for most.

    (Maybe if you were doing much more ridding miles on the stuff you do like you might find the seat more important ) Or maybe I'm just getting old, But there is no way in hell I could do a 5 or 6 hour ride standing up.

    What you say about stems, bars for it are true, but that is just stuff that can be changed so easy & also affects short people much more so than me.
    Let's put it this way - most of my rides are weekdays, and almost all of those are out-and-back. That means 50% climbing, 50% descending the same rocky, loose, rutted terrain. This kind of riding makes up 80% of what I do (totally guessing on that). The other 20% is split between riding with (slower) friends, park, or spinning some fire road to stay in shape. I don't care about how long it takes me to climb, so long as I have enough light to get back safely. Something that takes me an hour to climb takes maybe 15 minutes to descend. Whether I'm on my Fisher or my Lenz, I get a good workout going up, but it's WAY more fun when I'm pointed down. Factor in a super chunky local trail network and I'm on the right bike for half of the distance I'm riding during the week. Time wise, factoring in all rides? 10%. "10%" by itself doesn't tell the story very well.

    Apparently I was too subtle, so I'll spell it out - short chain stays are best taken advantage of when standing. Most of the time you're standing, you're descending. When you are descending, your seat is down. For me, that's 100% of the time. My hills are steep, rocky, and loose - if I sit, I fall. Why should I care that my seat is "too far forward" when it's 2-3 inches in front of my shorts? Frankly, having the seat where it is gives me more room to move the bike under me. The argument that seated weight being further back on a bike with a longer chain stay is better than being comparatively further forward on a bike with shorter chain stays misses the whole point of a short chain stay - to make the bike more maneuverable. Whether I'm trying to whip the back end around a switchback, loft the front end over a rock (up or down), pop across a rut at the last second, or pedal myself over a tech section, it's easier at the very least on the Lunchbox vs the RIP because I'm standing during all of those things, and there's less distance between the BB (where most of my weight is) and the rear axle. These are the kinds of things I care about when I ride. Does the RIP do other things better? ABSOLUTELY...I loved that bike, but my riding preferences changed. It's the downhill skier in me, with a proclivity for crud and moguls.

    Maybe your terrain is different from mine. Very seldom do I sit and pedal unless I'm going uphill really slowly. Chainstay length really doesn't matter in this scenario. I'd benefit more from a longer top tube, a steeper HTA, and less travel, sure, but then we're back to point #1 on the DH. Even the gentle slope sections (up or down) I have to stand up for - too many rocks for my dainty taint.

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    I do get what you are saying so don't make out that I don't, I would do Shuttle runs 3 weekends out of 4 & Ride many different bikes in doing so.

    The big problem I have with people quoting CS length is a bigger factor than it is, CS length is the distance between were the cranks mount & the rear axle & not the be all & end all to were your weight is over the rear axle when standing. In fact people move a lot over the bike.

    On the same bike I can get my weight so much further back than my Wife who in much shorter than me.

    Ridding my bikes back to back every week on both up's & downs shows that there is for sure area's that some bikes work better than others.

    However, None of this makes as big a difference as the rider & just how much more some people can get out of the same bike.

    I have always said a lesser rider needs a better bike to help them ride faster & safer.

    For me on most trails being under biked is more fun than being over biked.

    At the end of the day the most important thing is that we get out & have fun.

    Edit; I also guess I'm very lucky because there is just so many different tracks & places to ride so close to my home that it is so easy to hand pick what I want to ride, I just haven't come close to ridding half of what is on my door step.





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    Apparently I was too subtle, so I'll spell it out - short chain stays are best taken advantage of when standing. Most of the time you're standing, you're descending. When you are descending, your seat is down. For me, that's 100% of the time. My hills are steep, rocky, and loose - if I sit, I fall. Why should I care that my seat is "too far forward" when it's 2-3 inches in front of my shorts? Frankly, having the seat where it is gives me more room to move the bike under me. The argument that seated weight being further back on a bike with a longer chain stay is better than being comparatively further forward on a bike with shorter chain stays misses the whole point of a short chain stay - to make the bike more maneuverable. Whether I'm trying to whip the back end around a switchback, loft the front end over a rock (up or down), pop across a rut at the last second, or pedal myself over a tech section, it's easier at the very least on the Lunchbox vs the RIP because I'm standing during all of those things, and there's less distance between the BB (where most of my weight is) and the rear axle. These are the kinds of things I care about when I ride. Does the RIP do other things better? ABSOLUTELY...I loved that bike, but my riding preferences changed. It's the downhill skier in me, with a proclivity for crud and moguls.

    Maybe your terrain is different from mine. Very seldom do I sit and pedal unless I'm going uphill really slowly. Chainstay length really doesn't matter in this scenario. I'd benefit more from a longer top tube, a steeper HTA, and less travel, sure, but then we're back to point #1 on the DH. Even the gentle slope sections (up or down) I have to stand up for - too many rocks for my dainty taint.
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    Jet 9 is my preference over Rip 9. On my fourth niner had v1 rdo,rip rdo,carbon jet and now 2015 jet rdo the only bike of the four that did not suit me was the Rip tried three different forks and just could not make it work as well as the jets felt. Front end was always light and I crashed a couple times. New Jet is amazing damn I feel fast on it can't wait for morning to ride again.

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    Yes as much as I love the Rip's & wfo, I still love a hard ride on the Jet9 RDO, They are very good bikes & feel so alive on the Trail.

    I haven't ridden a Jet9 RDO with a 120mm pike yet but I'm sure that would be awesome.



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    Jet 9 is my preference over Rip 9. On my fourth niner had v1 rdo,rip rdo,carbon jet and now 2015 jet rdo the only bike of the four that did not suit me was the Rip tried three different forks and just could not make it work as well as the jets felt. Front end was always light and I crashed a couple times. New Jet is amazing damn I feel fast on it can't wait for morning to ride again.
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    From you description of your riding and what you are seeking...

    Muzz nailed it.

    Get the RIP.

    Get the Medium (for the stability - IMO).

    If you want to get your bars down, flip a negative stem or get the Syntace Flat Force.

    Although I only run a 120mm fork on my older RIP, I do use a more aggressive postion these days on my RIP via a 130mm -15 degree stem to keep that front wheel glued down on the climbs and to plant the wheel in tight, fast corners for XC and endurance riding...





    It's my all around bike and really does do most things well - especially with a simple switch of tire tread and stem swap.

    I have the older alloy JET 9 as well (which I would pick in a NY minute for XC racing over the RIP). I could make the JET RDO be my do all bike for where I live and ride, but your description certainly screams RIP to me.

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    Be cautious of what you do with a Jet 9 RDO. While you can make it look like a Trail bike, it's not built like one for sure. I had a Jet when they first came out - as the RIP was not available in carbon at the time. I Ended up making it a trail bike just like everyone says. I went with a drop post, a 34 120mm Float up front, Flow rims with CK hubs... this thing was stout. In the order of 1.5 years I broke 2 of them. I'm now waiting on my RIP to come in.

    While I think any one can likely literally feel the weight difference between them when picking them up side by side... the additional mass the RIP has is well utilized I'm told - IF, that's the kind of stuff you'll want to ride. The RIP just feels much more solid in hand, and much less light-weight racer than the Jet. If you plan on doing endurance races and the like, maybe the Jet is a better option. But whether you race enduro or, just recognize that is the style of riding most people ride these days... I'd say the RIP will likely satisfy your needs better. Don't get me wrong - the Jet has been my favorite riding bike to date (as I've not been on the new RIP yet)... just getting tired of having to replace them frequently, as they weren't intended to do what I'm asking them to do. And just to add - there is more to the difference between these 2 bikes than just weight and the ability to use a slightly longer fork up front/travel out back... let's not forget that either.

    As for frame size - the single most important thing you can do is figure out what size top tube you need. It's the one piece you have no control over, with regards to fine tuning. I see sooooo many people riding bikes that are too small these - days it unreal. Particularly on this type of frame - they are designed to work really well with short stems, not the other way around. The Jet 9, you can probably go a little longer - but needing anything longer than 110 on a 29" mountain bike these days - you probably are looking at the wrong size frame. I'm sure this will entice much discussion, but if you were to ask just about any frame builder and/or fit guru - they'd probably share a very similar sentiment as above. There's a reason that Niners trail stem only comes in 50mm &70mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qanuk View Post
    ....but needing anything longer than 110 on a 29" mountain bike these days - you probably are looking at the wrong size frame.
    Ah, balderdash!

    ....or you're 6'4" and your arms are super long even though you are riding a size XL. 120's and 130's on all my bikes (Karate Monkey XL, Dos Niner XL, JET 9 XL, RIP 9 XL, Specialzed Roubaix 64cm).

    Those less tall, need not apply. Or they should at least refrain from making silly blanket statements like "anything longer than a 110mm stem on a 29" these days is on the wrong size frame". Ye know not of what ye speaketh oh short Qanuk.



    And on the XL JET with the "short" 120mm stem flipped negative climbing a super steep...



    Pretty sure I'd fall over backwards if I was running a 50mm or 70mm stem - unless I mounted it under the headtube...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Wouldn't that be better suited as Rip9 RDO vs SB95c?
    That is the point. My decision is between the Jet 9 RDO and the Yeti SB-95c, considering that the Yeti is analogous to the Rip 9 RDO.
    Do i go with the lighter weight shorter travel bike, or the heavier, longer travel bike...
    Still leaning Jet 9 RDO (new version) with a 120 fork up front.

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