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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

    I was looking at the Niner website this morning and see they have added the Tamale color for the JET 9 Carbon frame....

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    Saw that last week as well, looks pretty killer! I like color, so nice to see something besides Moondust.

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    I've never had a bright-colored frame before, but damn that looks nice! As long as a rider doesn't feel the need of rear thru-axle (Jet9 RDO), I'd guess the Jet9 Carbon offers the best bang-for-buck regarding xc full suspension bikes ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfb66 View Post
    I've never had a bright-colored frame before, but damn that looks nice! As long as a rider doesn't feel the need of rear thru-axle (Jet9 RDO), I'd guess the Jet9 Carbon offers the best bang-for-buck regarding xc full suspension bikes ....
    I've been riding my entire life without a thru-axle on the rear, so figure I'm still good to go in that regard. Especially with carbon rims and riding buff XC here in the Midwest. I guess ditto for up front as a QR does fine by me.

    Unfortunately, since I'm still stuck in the dark ages with my cranks and BB - it would be a very expensive proposition to upgrade to a new frame. I like the looks of the new XXI, but that would add about $1200 to the price of the frame for the upgrade.

    Still waiting to see what comes along in the alloy JET version for an update. But this Tamale Red carbon frame is pretty attractive (compared to the orange, green, white, black, raw, moondust grey, etc... colored JET frames). Should have sold my Apple shares at $700....and bought one of these candy apple red frames!!!!!

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    That is sexy! So is Niner renaming the old RDO (2012 and earlier) as the Jet 9 Carbon and selling the new RDO with the thru axle now? Seems to me the only differences between the two, except for the price of course.
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    Carbon rocker as well. . But yeah, not much different. That's why I took advantage of the deals on the v1, as the upgrades don't mean much in MN, and the riding I do.

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    Oops, and rear shock. . (Carbon vs new RDO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by five5 View Post
    Oops, and rear shock. . (Carbon vs new RDO)
    Yup - all of that (rockers, shock, and rear axle).

    Then the other question is whether or not the Tamale Red will be available as a frame only purchase, or will it be like the moondust grey version - only available as a complete bike?

    If it was frame only, I could build my XL out at 23.x pounds with what I already have plus going to 1 x 11 with the SRAM XX1 (using a 34T ring) drivetrain.

    Then again, the RDO is available as frame only. But alas, all the size XL deals are sold out and I'm too tall to ride a size L.

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    And look pretty damn nice with those Rovals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by five5 View Post
    Carbon rocker as well. . But yeah, not much different. That's why I took advantage of the deals on the v1, as the upgrades don't mean much in MN, and the riding I do.
    Ah, that makes since. That is why one of the bike mags stated that the V.1 could be upgraded to the V.2 rear end.
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    That is a beauty of a frame. As the owner of a V1 Jet9 RDO I'm sure the Jet9 Carbon would ride awesome and you could always send the shock to Push or somebody if you wanted more tune ability.

    I'm not sold on the CTD forks so I don't know how much I would like the CTD shock either on the Jet9 RDO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azpoolguy View Post
    That is a beauty of a frame. As the owner of a V1 Jet9 RDO I'm sure the Jet9 Carbon would ride awesome and you could always send the shock to Push or somebody if you wanted more tune ability.

    I'm not sold on the CTD forks so I don't know how much I would like the CTD shock either on the Jet9 RDO.
    Remind me, what's the difference in the rear shock on the JET 9 Carbon and the JET 9 RDO (besides Kashima coating)? Is there something the rear shock on the JET 9 Carbon won't do (I guess I would be comparing to the shocks I have on my JET 9 and my RIP 9 - RP23's).

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    The shock on the Jet9 RDO as discribed on Niner's web site-Tuned for CVA – Fox float CTD shock with Kashima coating.

    The Jet9 Carbon gets-Tuned for CVA -Fox Float CTD Evolution shock.

    After looking at the Fox website it looks like the difference is the Kashima coating and the three position trail adjust in the trail mode if CTD on the Jet9 RDO.

    I have the 2013 Fox Factory Series 120mm Fit CTD fork on my V1 2012 Jet9 RDO. I wish I had the older RLC Fit cartridge with individual adjustment for everything then the preset factory CTD tune. I run my shock in Propedal 1 and my fork in Trail "2" and never touch it while riding.

    The shock on the Jet9 Carbon will be closer to your shocks on the Rip and Jet but you might have less Propedal adjustment with the CTD shock.

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    Good question, thanks for the answer.

    That color looks hot, I like it. I have an investment in three or four wheelsets across two bikes with a QR rear. I was really looking forward to getting a v1 RDO in all black but those are probably all gone now.

    I don't see the Tamale Red as an official color in the specs yet, but I do hope it can be bought frame-only because I'd like to buy it.



    Quote Originally Posted by azpoolguy View Post
    The shock on the Jet9 RDO as discribed on Niner's web site-Tuned for CVA – Fox float CTD shock with Kashima coating.

    The Jet9 Carbon gets-Tuned for CVA -Fox Float CTD Evolution shock.

    After looking at the Fox website it looks like the difference is the Kashima coating and the three position trail adjust in the trail mode if CTD on the Jet9 RDO.

    I have the 2013 Fox Factory Series 120mm Fit CTD fork on my V1 2012 Jet9 RDO. I wish I had the older RLC Fit cartridge with individual adjustment for everything then the preset factory CTD tune. I run my shock in Propedal 1 and my fork in Trail "2" and never touch it while riding.

    The shock on the Jet9 Carbon will be closer to your shocks on the Rip and Jet but you might have less Propedal adjustment with the CTD shock.

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    I have the V.1 & V.2 Jet9 RDO & to me the CTD shock seems more like a shock desined to help bikes with bad suspenion get around there problems.

    It doesn't mean I don't like it on the Jet9 RDO, more that it isn't really an upgrade as such.

    The Shock on the V.1 Jet9 RDO is much more of a set & forget & it will work great everywhere, Making the bike feel a bit more like a Rip9.

    The shock on the V.2 Jet9 RDO has more modes to play with & has made the V.2 a little bit more like the Jet9 alloy & I guess makes it alittle more racey.

    The CTD shock IMO has moved the JET9 RDO awayjust alittle from what the Rip9 RDO is meant to be.

    Either way I don't feel like you would be missing out on much.

    V2 abit more flickable & V1 a little more grip.

    Just my 2 c from what I have felt about the bikes without a true back to back on the same trails on the same day.

    Maybe I will do some true back to back in a couple of weels as I have some new forks coming & will be able to run both bikes with the same forks & wheel sets on the same day.
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    FYI, I am working with the Jet 9 alloy again this season. Got the bearings replaced with hybrid ceramincs and the 3" RP23 Pushed for racing. Sitting at 23.5lbs in size XL, so to drop a pound from that would be sweet.

    I just wasn't quite ready for a new frame yet this Spring. When I buy new I'd like to couple it with XX1 and a few other parts that really aren't yet fleshed out on the market.

    Really glad that Niner is keeping the v1 RDO around as the Jet 9 carbon, especially with a much more appealing color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Really glad that Niner is keeping the v1 RDO around as the Jet 9 carbon, especially with a much more appealing color.
    Still no word on if it will be available as a frame only choice. Nothing but the sound of crickets from Niner on that question on their Facebook page to date...

    EDIT: Niner responded and said that yes, the Tamale Red will be available as a frame only purchase and that they should be arriving "soon".
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    That is beautiful, where can I trade a kidney or a soul for one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    That is beautiful, where can I trade a kidney or a soul for one?
    So what do you think. White fork? Black fork? What will look good with this frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    So what do you think. White fork? Black fork? What will look good with this frame?
    Tough call.

    I would go white to match the Niner decals. Plus I have a white Reba XX 20mm TA tapered currently reduced from 120mm to 100mm that would go on there very nicely if I upgraded from my Jet 9 alloy.

    The killer is the very high cost of Niner dually frames in the land of Oz (over $3000). I got the Jet9 alloy second hand for $750 and it currently serves me really well when I want to ride a geared dually.

    My SIR9 commuter is hot tamale with a black carbon fork and that looks good too. But it has silver decals so there is no white on the frame. I have a white carbon fork too but holding it next to the frame it wasn't as good a match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    Tough call.

    I would go white to match the Niner decals. Plus I have a white Reba XX 20mm TA tapered currently reduced from 120mm to 100mm that would go on there very nicely if I upgraded from my Jet 9 alloy.

    The killer is the very high cost of Niner dually frames in the land of Oz (over $3000). I got the Jet9 alloy second hand for $750 and it currently serves me really well when I want to ride a geared dually.

    My SIR9 commuter is hot tamale with a black carbon fork and that looks good too. But it has silver decals so there is no white on the frame. I have a white carbon fork too but holding it next to the frame it wasn't as good a match.
    White was sort of on my mind. The Tamale RIP looks good with the black fork and all the black trim (wheels/post/stem/bars/saddle). I could see it working both ways but without seeing a picture of one with a fork...

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    Niner's probably gonna have some tamale SID forks available as well.

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    This red Jet9 RDO looks great. I much prefer the solid colored frames over the two tone frames. The two tone colors schemes always looked a little over the top for me, although, in person, the two tone does look slightly better than the pics.

    And, IMO, white forks look terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post

    And, IMO, white forks look terrible.
    Sometimes you don't get a colour choice with a fork purchase. I wanted a black 120mm fork with 20mm axle for my latest (non Niner) build and the best I could get was white and 15mm axle (unless I paid double for a Fox).

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    Wahoo! Niner has recently consented to selling the J9C as frame-only. Got mine ordered.

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

    Coming together nicely

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Coming together nicely

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    Need advice... I can get a lightly used licorice 2012 small niner jet 9 RDO with xt components and sun ringle black flag wheels or a new moondust 2013 small niner jet 9 carbon with slx components, am classic race wheels, both same price $3,400 ish...I like the moondust color of the 2013 but test rode the 12 RDO and it is so nice. Not sure what to do! Also not sure about the rockshox on the fork on the RDO with lockout on the handlebar.

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    Go for the new bike with warranty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juliecoleman View Post
    Need advice... I can get a lightly used licorice 2012 small niner jet 9 RDO with xt components and sun ringle black flag wheels or a new moondust 2013 small niner jet 9 carbon with slx components, am classic race wheels, both same price $3,400 ish...I like the moondust color of the 2013 but test rode the 12 RDO and it is so nice. Not sure what to do! Also not sure about the rockshox on the fork on the RDO with lockout on the handlebar.
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    I agree with Muzz, if the 2012 doesn't have a warranty, get the 2013.

    I went with a SID fork with a remote lock-out and just had the Motion-Control changed out as I have no need for a lock-out plus I don't like extra crap on my bars.

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    I just found out that the 2012 RDO will have the full warranty since it through a bike shop. It was a Niner demo for a very short time and then an employee decided to buy it but it's too small for him. I like the idea of getting the upgraded components on the Licorice RDO but the new Moondust Jet 9 is better looking IMO. Retail on the RDO is over $5,500 and retail on the Carbon is $3,899. The asking price on both is $3,500. Would there be a weight difference between the two? My favorite thing about the RDO was how light it was, it made me faster and I could still tackle all of the technical stuff.

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    The frames weigh about the same, XT is lighter than SLX. I would get the RDO and slap some better wheels on it. Which brings up the question...what wheels are on the two bikes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Juliecoleman View Post
    I just found out that the 2012 RDO will have the full warranty since it through a bike shop. It was a Niner demo for a very short time and then an employee decided to buy it but it's too small for him. I like the idea of getting the upgraded components on the Licorice RDO but the new Moondust Jet 9 is better looking IMO. Retail on the RDO is over $5,500 and retail on the Carbon is $3,899. The asking price on both is $3,500. Would there be a weight difference between the two? My favorite thing about the RDO was how light it was, it made me faster and I could still tackle all of the technical stuff.

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    RDO has sun ringle black flag and carbon has American classic race

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

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    Are those the new i9 wheels?

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

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    RDO has sun ringle black flag and carbon has American classic race
    Which model black flags? Their is a substantial weight difference in the wheels. The am classic are around
    1430 grams. I have them on my RDO and I'm amazed how they have held up.
    I have roughly 600 miles on them and haven't had to true them yet. If your under 190-200lb. I'd go with the classics.

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

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    Are those the new i9 wheels?
    No they're the Ultralites. The Torches look solid for trail riding but I don't see them as race wheels.

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

    Some more pics. Weighs in at 22.3 lbs with pedals and cage, size XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Some more pics. Weighs in at 22.3 lbs with pedals and cage, size XL
    Wow! It's looking pretty dang sweet! Please tell me you race that thing. If not, hand it over and I'll do it for you!!!

    I wonder what Niner is going to announce next week with all the teasers they've been doing on Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    Wow! It's looking pretty dang sweet! Please tell me you race that thing. If not, hand it over and I'll do it for you!!!

    I wonder what Niner is going to announce next week with all the teasers they've been doing on Facebook.
    Thank you sir. Yes I race Cat 1. Maybe I could give you a test ride if you're ever down Louisiana way. The Jet 9 carbon/RDO is a very capable race bike when it's set up the right way, I'm happy to say. Riding an all-carbon bike is a strange feeling; it is incredibly solid, but kind of hollow-feeling, like you expect it to be heavier since it's so stiff.

    The XX1 is burlier than XX which is cool. I forked over the $$$ for another cassette and freehub body for my training wheelset. The CTD shock is far from a downgrade and the selector is easier to access than the old Jet 9 while on the bike. Right now I'm keeping it in "Trail" mode since "Climb" seems to be so rigid as to interrupt a smooth pedal stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Thank you sir. Yes I race Cat 1. Maybe I could give you a test ride if you're ever down Louisiana way. The Jet 9 carbon/RDO is a very capable race bike when it's set up the right way, I'm happy to say. Riding an all-carbon bike is a strange feeling; it is incredibly solid, but kind of hollow-feeling, like you expect it to be heavier since it's so stiff.

    The XX1 is burlier than XX which is cool. I forked over the $$$ for another cassette and freehub body for my training wheelset. The CTD shock is far from a downgrade and the selector is easier to access than the old Jet 9 while on the bike. Right now I'm keeping it in "Trail" mode since "Climb" seems to be so rigid as to interrupt a smooth pedal stroke.
    I can attest to the carbon feel as I went carbon with a new roadbike this year.

    What's your cycling inseam? That's a good amount of seatpost showing for an XL, so my guess is you must be around 36.5-37.5 inseam.

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    You guessed it correctly, about 36.5", plus big feet. One thing nice about the new frame is it's the same geometry as my old Jet 9, so I feel comfortable immediately. The same 100mm fork does gives a lower BB on the new Jet, but that dials it in perfectly; it was a little too high before.

    I use S-Works 180mm cranks with their new XX1 spider. The Jet 9 still has a kind of high bottom bracket, which is fine. I also have a Cannondale Flash 29 and its bottom bracket is so low as to be a real PITA on technical trails with longer cranks.

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    just an absolutely terrific build. thinking of doing close to the same. I'll be going with the L though. Curious about the stem with Lefty. I'll go negative rise as well and was wondering what degree and length you have there...Thanks.

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

    Thank you! Just getting the fork back from yearly service with Mendon Cyclesmith. My stem is -16, 120mm, but I consider that proportional to my long arms.

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    I did get a kick out of the wording in the description for one of the current JET 9 Carbon full bike builds at this link.

    Notice the price of $4699 and the wording at the bottom that says: "...Perfect for the privateer racer or anyone who recognizes top-level performance but has bills to pay."

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/11348028884/" title="JET9 Carbon Build by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/11348028884_f4c993d859_z.jpg" width="451" height="586" alt="JET9 Carbon Build"></a>

    As if $4699 was such a low price that it wouldn't cause any issues with finances and other bills....

    Or maybe they were talking about the $4699 bill!

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    Given the range of pricing on bikes these days $4700 is about in the middle scarily enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    Given the range of pricing on bikes these days $4700 is about in the middle scarily enough.
    I guess I figured the average or the median mountain bike price would be more around $2500-2700.

    You can get the complete alloy JET 9 (with Mavic wheelset and tires) from Jensonusa.com right now for $2099.

    I've raced the alloy JET 9 for 5 seasons, so I would probably put the Niner wording Perfect for the privateer racer or anyone who recognizes top-level performance but has bills to pay with that bike over the $4699 price tag of the carbon version.

    I bought a brand new carbon Roubaix with full DuraAce this year for $2700. It was the middle of the line of Roubaix with 6 models more expensive and 6 models less expensive. I would hate to think that $4699 has become the median...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post

    I bought a brand new carbon Roubaix with full DuraAce this year for $2700. It was the middle of the line of Roubaix with 6 models more expensive and 6 models less expensive. I would hate to think that $4699 has become the median...
    Isn't the current Roubaix SL4 PRO DA Retail is at $5,500 ??? I can't imagine 1-2 years old models much cheaper than that.
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    Average $2700? yes. I meant middle of the line. I do think most folks are not buying $4700 bikes. But if you look at the line of a particular model (Especially Carbon) $4700 is it the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpyElite2010 View Post
    Isn't the current Roubaix SL4 PRO DA Retail is at $5,500 ??? I can't imagine 1-2 years old models much cheaper than that.
    Mine was the Roubaix Comp Compact in the 2013 line and actually had a higher MSRP than I paid, but Specialized had a sale in April/May - or whenever it was - that knocked the price down in a few select models.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/8591509854/" title="Roubaix Comp Compact by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8251/8591509854_c4ce2f863e_z.jpg" width="553" height="433" alt="Roubaix Comp Compact"></a>

    Looks like the 2014 version is the Roubaix SL4 Comp Compact with a MSRP of $2950 which again is in the middle of their Roubaix line up this year. $10,500 for the top model - $1800 for the lowest priced model.

    Point being - I was chuckling at the Niner wording of calling one of the top builds (the 4 star build) in the JET 9 Carbon at $4699 (from their choices of that model line up) as the one for those concerned about paying the bills.

    Obviously, the reality is that for a high performance carbon frame bike - be it road, cyclocross, or dirt - one is going to pay more for the carbon frame than an alloy frame (in most cases). And I'm willing to accept that for such a bike the price is up there around $5K. And I'm willing to accept that the median price has jumped quite a bit in the past 5-6 years as components and materials have been through quite an expansion of inflation (forks, drivetrains especially). I'm just not sure in my marketing and PR I would use the wording with regard to the 4 star JET 9 Carbon build "...or anyone who recognizes top-level performance but has bills to pay."

    Then again, they use the same wording for the 4 star JET 9 alloy build ($4899).

    I would also like to qualify that those who are purchasing higher priced models also dang well have plenty of "have bills to pay". Everyone has bills to pay whether the household income is sub 6 figure, or in the 6 figures. For that reason, it just seems like an odd choice in wording to me for the marketing... .

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    JET 9 Carbon coming in Tamale Red...

    I wish mine cost $4899

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