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    Virtual Forum Assistance - Helius AC Build Weight[s]

    Is it even realistic to consider an AC weighing in at 27lb ?

    If so, spec it up and prove it to me.

    What weight are your AC's ?

    TIA

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    ... and if we just ... Kermits spec's

    * Frame: Helius AC Medium Kawagrun
    * Fork: Fox 32 Float 150mm 15mm
    * Shock: Fox RP23
    * Brakes: 2011 XTR Race
    * Cranks: 2011 XTR Tripple
    * Shifters: 2011 XTR
    * Front Derailleur: 2011 XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: 2011 XTR
    * Cassette: 2011 XTR 10 Speed
    * Chain: 2011 XTR
    * Pedals: 2011 XTR SPD
    * Stem: Thompson 50mm
    * Handlebar: Easton EC70 MonkeyLite CNT XC Riser
    * Seatpost: Thompson layback
    * Saddle: SDG Bel Air RL Ti Rail
    * Bottom Bracket: Chris King Black
    * Headset: Chris King satin black
    * Grips: ODI X-Trainer Lock-On Lime green
    * Wheels: Roval Traverse EL Disc Wheelset
    * Front Tyre: Bontrager XR4 TLR Team Issue 26x2.2
    * Rear Tyre: Bontrager XR4 TLR Team Issue 26x2.2
    * Inner Tubes: Bontrager Race X Lite 26x1.90-2.125
    * Cables: Shimano XTR

    * Overall Weight: 12.4kg or 27.3lbs

    Good morning TLR here is mine and it not far off the magical 27lbs
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    Cheers....seems really Xc spec.. why not go CC if you're that jey ?

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    Subscribed if only for the idiocy that should follow

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    Cheers....seems really Xc spec.. why not go CC if you're that jey ?
    Didn't I suggest the same to you?

    If you want a 27lb AC then its inevitably going to be more xc focused. However, it's just a change of wheels away from a sub 30lb 150mm travel trail bike.

    At least 5c0tty made a decision as to what he wants!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    Is it even realistic to consider an AC weighing in at 27lb ?

    If so, spec it up and prove it to me.

    What weight are your AC's ?

    TIA

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    Cheers....seems really Xc spec.. why not go CC if you're that jey ?

    This is one of the most spectacularly stupid combination of posts that I have ever seen on MTBR.

    Think about it.
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    Frame: Helius AC Medium Schwarzolive
    * Fork: Revelation RLT Ti 150mm Dual Step Air
    * Shock: RS Monarch / Romic D.
    * Brakes: 2007 Magura Louise BAT
    * Cranks: 2006 RF Deus
    * Shifters: 2007 Sram X.7
    * Front Derailleur: 2010 Shimano SLX
    * Rear Derailleur: 2007 Sram X.7
    * Cassette: 2010 SLX HG-80 11-32
    * Chain: 2009 Shimano LX
    * Pedals: 2010 Shimano PD-M647
    * Stem: Chromag Ranger 70mm
    * Handlebar: Syncros Bulk 7075
    * Seatpost: Thompson Elite 410mm
    * Saddle: WTB Rocket Stealth (Ti Rails)
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano HTII
    * Headset: Chris King Nothreadset
    * Grips: ODI Ruffian, Blackspire caps.
    * Wheels: Hope Bulb R / Pro II F, laced with DT Competition to Alex FD-28's
    * Front Tyre: Ahhh... too many to list. Lightest is Maxxis Ardent 2.25.
    * Rear Tyre: Same... Lightest Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25
    * Inner Tubes: Anything off the shelf, prefer Michelins C4's
    * Cables: Shimano generic

    * Overall Weight: 13.22kg or 28.94lbs Air shock... 13.66kg / 30.13lb

    It's a pig that I love oh so much.

    You can go stupid light without making much compromises... A DT fork weighs like 1700grs and can take a beating. That alone is between 1/4 to half pound lighter than a comparable Revelation. ... unless you go to the Rev WC.

    Then, you can build decently strong wheels lacing Stan's Arch or Flows to DT240's and supercomp spokes or better yet, Sapim CX-Rays.

    Carbon this, carbon there and a light set of pedals and you may be there. A Thomson Masterpiece will shave some weight also.

    It gets stupid expensive really easily and the frame is not cheap to start with. IMHO, it made no sense.

    You know you want that Ibis Mojo SL... I see one on your future... all with Tune components and Clavicula cranks... go, go, you want it!!
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    One of these days TLR I'm going to meet you, somewhere random, out on the trail where no one else is.

    And on that day, I am going to twat you into the middle of next f**king week, and leave you wimpering like that child that you are.

    And trust me, I can do it as well.

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    Good job!

    Sub 26lbs no problem. These are all verified weights, i.e. either they've been weighed by be or taken from the Sicklines Verified Weights section (or the quoted Nicolai figure). Weights to the right are in grams.

    Weight (g)
    Frame Helius AC 2700
    Shock Fox RP23 BV 300
    Spring n/a 0
    cables Gore 70
    Headset Pre-loader Star Nut 9
    seat collar Hope QR 50
    Fork Fox 32 150 RLC 1700
    Bars Havoc Carbon 230
    Stem Renthal 139
    Chainset XTR 540
    Chain rings XTR 32 42
    Chain device e13 XCX 55
    Chain Wipperman SS 258
    Rear Mech XO 10-speed Short Cage 206
    BB Chris King 100
    Seat Specliazed Henge SL 220
    Seat Post Thomson Elite 264
    Brakes Formula R1 388
    Disc Rotors Formula 160 172
    Wheels Mavic Crossmax ST 1615
    Tyres Maxxis Larsen TT LUST 1500
    Grips Odi Ruffian Lock on 108
    Pedals Nuke Proof Mag Ti 287
    Shifter XO 10-speed 125
    Headset Chris King 90
    Cassette Sram XX 209
    Rear skewer Hope 64
    KG 11.44
    LBS 25.22

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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972
    One of these days TLR I'm going to meet you, somewhere random, out on the trail where no one else is.

    And on that day, I am going to twat you into the middle of next f**king week, and leave you wimpering like that child that you are.

    And trust me, I can do it as well.


    Ha Ha.Geetee you owe me a laptop,i just spat coffee all over mine,reading your post.

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    Easy geetee,
    Much like a typical village, every forum needs a loveable idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972
    One of these days TLR I'm going to meet you, somewhere random, out on the trail where no one else is.

    And on that day, I am going to twat you into the middle of next f**king week, and leave you wimpering like that child that you are.

    And trust me, I can do it as well.
    Ex-22nd then Geetee - I'm obviously not worthy

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    What's 22 got to do with anything, there's a difference between determined and hard, trust me the two are not mutually exclusive

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    whatever - i'm not hard enough for this forum.

    back on thread how heavy are yours / how heavy is realistic ?

    i'd like an AC at 27lbs trail centre worthy - not for DH of freeride.

    tia

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    I think 27/28lbs is a very good weight,especially if you are using sensible components,I have used light tyres,they lasted less than an hour before i removed the sidewall on a rock.
    I would say running air shock,air forks and a sensible build will get you the 27lbs ish you require.
    Will you be going for 2x10 TLR?

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    I'm not ex anything. Wpuk's point is excellent (reference to The Book of Five Rings?) but let's just say that I've 'had some training'.

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    I had to google that sorry, seems a bit heavy reading to me, I have read lord of the rings though

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    TLR can you run 1x10? You save about 1lb in weight by doing that.

    The list I posted above is realistic. I know it's desperately geeky, but i did spend some time over Christmas taking my bike apart and weighing everything, including the frame.

    The list above is 90% based on what I gleamed from that exercise with some lighter parts substituted in, primarily the wheels, which a friend of mine runs (friend of Scotty's also) and which I think are up to the job for trail riding for most people.

    Most of the time you can save a lot of weight just by being judicious about what you choose to buy from new and by being informed about what weighs what.

    There are some pricey parts on my list - the SRAM XX cassette is not cheap compared to other components - but I don't think it's too rich for your blood TLR!

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    My mate is running the Mavic ST's on his Lapierre,has had them 2 years,lots of miles and plenty of rocks and bad landings and they are still going,Spokes are looking rough now.

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    Come on guys. Im more geeky than all of you. FACT. (currently in the pub posting ffs)

    Who honestly gives a **** about 2-3lbs.

    Tlr if you want to spend some cash, buy dipper a new motorbike or sponsor an African elephant.

    hth.

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    Hey! What's wrong with my motorbike?

    I like the idea though. How about a van instead? I could really do with a van
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    @dipper : you have a van already from one of yer other mates you use and abuse........

    will call later on today...

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